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Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
September 28 2016 23:13 GMT
#121
On September 28 2016 14:23 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2016 13:07 Plexa wrote:
On September 28 2016 10:30 Zato-1 wrote:
Can't blame Nazgul and Arhancet for cashing out at this point; they've put in the work, and they earned this.

Cashing out is quite the opposite of what is happening here.

So selling out is a better term? Money goes to Naz and control of the brand goes to the group buying. Or is something drastically wrong about the basic understanding of whats happening


Well, you gotta admit that "strategic partnership" sounds a lot better.
Bora Pain minha porra!
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4206 Posts
September 29 2016 04:01 GMT
#122
http://www.thescoreesports.com/dota2/news/10253-liquid112-on-selling-tl-s-controlling-interest-to-axiomatic-and-what-more-experienced-owners-bring-to-esports

An interview with Liquid112 about the acquisition.
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
Deleuze
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom2102 Posts
September 29 2016 11:21 GMT
#123
Congratulations and good luck.

worries and concerns that we have had to think deeply about


This sentence sticks out at me.
“An image of thought called philosophy has been formed historically and it effectively stops people from thinking.” ― Gilles Deleuze, Dialogues II
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
September 29 2016 15:02 GMT
#124
There's definitely no changes being made to how the websites are managed, but this deal does include websites/Liquipedia they are all part of the same company. Internally each of these have always had their own divisions, staff, and management and that will remain the same.

On September 28 2016 02:35 SFDuality wrote:
That's one hell of an all-star investment group. I have a few concerns, but I guess for now I'll just have to take the word of Nazgul and the others that most things will remain the same and any changes will be for the better.

Just to clarify, though:
1) The brand will remain Team Liquid, right? Not aXiomatic? The intro paragraph has both listed (and aXiomatic as aXiomatic eSports) so I'm a little confused. Where does Team Liquid end and aXiomatic begin?

2) The investment group has controlling interest, but how will this be exercised? Will the regular running of the professional teams under the Liquid banner be left to Nazgul and Steve? Who handles things like, say, player contracts and salary, etc.?

3) This one's not really a concern, just curiosity. I'm sure this deal represents a greatly increased budget than before. Any big projects in the works?

Absolutely the brand will remain the same - aXiomatic is the company investing into Team Liquid, it doesn't replace it. They're different entities. Things like players, player contracts etc will just remain with myself and Steve as it has been the past two years.

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WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
September 29 2016 18:13 GMT
#125
Wait, so is aXiomatic an investor or the majority stakeholder now?
Average means I'm better than half of you.
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4206 Posts
September 29 2016 18:18 GMT
#126
On September 30 2016 03:13 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Wait, so is aXiomatic an investor or the majority stakeholder now?

Both? They sold controlling interest to a group of investors.
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
September 29 2016 18:24 GMT
#127
Thanks lestye.
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WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
September 29 2016 19:27 GMT
#128
On September 30 2016 03:18 lestye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2016 03:13 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Wait, so is aXiomatic an investor or the majority stakeholder now?

Both? They sold controlling interest to a group of investors.

Well, I guess normally you wouldn't call the new owners of a company people "investing into" it. Technically, I guess it is an investment (maybe, I don't know how these terms apply in a business sense)?

Just don't see why everyone keeps using this weird roundabout wording (aka. strategic partnership, investing into).
Average means I'm better than half of you.
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4206 Posts
September 29 2016 19:39 GMT
#129
Not sure. I get all my business knowledge exclusively from Shark Tank & The Profit so I can only speculate so much.
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
a_flayer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands2826 Posts
September 29 2016 21:50 GMT
#130
Right, I'm out, lol.
When you came along so righteous with a new national hate, so convincing is the ardor of war and of men, it's harder to breathe than to believe you're a friend. The wars at home, the wars abroad, all soaked in blood and lies and fraud.
Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3685 Posts
September 29 2016 23:14 GMT
#131
On September 30 2016 00:02 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
There's definitely no changes being made to how the websites are managed, but this deal does include websites/Liquipedia they are all part of the same company. Internally each of these have always had their own divisions, staff, and management and that will remain the same.

Show nested quote +
On September 28 2016 02:35 SFDuality wrote:
That's one hell of an all-star investment group. I have a few concerns, but I guess for now I'll just have to take the word of Nazgul and the others that most things will remain the same and any changes will be for the better.

Just to clarify, though:
1) The brand will remain Team Liquid, right? Not aXiomatic? The intro paragraph has both listed (and aXiomatic as aXiomatic eSports) so I'm a little confused. Where does Team Liquid end and aXiomatic begin?

2) The investment group has controlling interest, but how will this be exercised? Will the regular running of the professional teams under the Liquid banner be left to Nazgul and Steve? Who handles things like, say, player contracts and salary, etc.?

3) This one's not really a concern, just curiosity. I'm sure this deal represents a greatly increased budget than before. Any big projects in the works?

Absolutely the brand will remain the same - aXiomatic is the company investing into Team Liquid, it doesn't replace it. They're different entities. Things like players, player contracts etc will just remain with myself and Steve as it has been the past two years.



Thanks for posting Nazgul: that is a very complete answer. I have always appreciated the transparency and interactivity of Teamliquid staff. And I guess that is due to a good role model at the top.
Korakys
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
New Zealand272 Posts
September 30 2016 00:09 GMT
#132
Investing is not only the technically correct word to use, it is the most correct word to use in this instance. Investing is putting your own money into a company, aXiomatic have invested to such a high degree that they also have a majority of the shares (units of ownership), which gives them a controlling interest. The phrase "strategic partnership" is a bit misleading, but it reflects that Nazgul and `112 now have long term contracts to remain as the managers of the Liquid division of aXiomatic esports.

I don't know much about sports. I don't know what sports the Wizards and Warriors play for instance (the consensus seems to be basketball?). And I don't know much more than that about any esports other than starcraft. We tend to fear what we don't know, but I know Nazgul, so I will trust him to look after the website (which is my favourite community on the internet by the way).
Swing away sOs, swing away.
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-30 00:53:31
September 30 2016 00:51 GMT
#133
On September 30 2016 04:27 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2016 03:18 lestye wrote:
On September 30 2016 03:13 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Wait, so is aXiomatic an investor or the majority stakeholder now?

Both? They sold controlling interest to a group of investors.

Well, I guess normally you wouldn't call the new owners of a company people "investing into" it. Technically, I guess it is an investment (maybe, I don't know how these terms apply in a business sense)?

Just don't see why everyone keeps using this weird roundabout wording (aka. strategic partnership, investing into).


I assume they're using the word investing because they know (or expect) that beyond putting money down for the controlling shares, the buyers will also put in new money. Which makes sense: under usual circumstances you don't buy a business just to let it keep going as usual, you buy it to leverage some advantage you have but the previous owners does not (or presumably cannot acquire as easily as you).
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figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
October 01 2016 11:41 GMT
#134
Magic Johnson is partially the boss of TL? If someone told me that I'd think they'd be smoking something strong. Um, YAY?
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Badjas
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Netherlands2038 Posts
October 01 2016 18:53 GMT
#135
Congratulations to the new owners. Good luck on this new chapter, Naz.
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TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8307 Posts
October 01 2016 20:39 GMT
#136
On September 27 2016 23:36 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2016 23:22 Jer99 wrote:
Holy shiet


same.

That said I'm not rooting for golden state.


I don't feel one way or another about Golden State, but I might get myself a Caps jersey now.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4734 Posts
October 02 2016 09:00 GMT
#137
I hope this works out for the best. Honestly, as long as the forums and the streams section stay the same, I will be coming back.

But I really hope Nazgul knows what he is doing, even long term contracts can be terminated. Now TL is not his anymore, I don't see how this can be good.
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TheFish7
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States2824 Posts
October 02 2016 20:25 GMT
#138
Taking on investors is not selling out. This is a really good sign in my opinion. The partners are legit, exceptional even. If they can successfully grow and scale the business then they will be in a great position to be one of the premiere teams and grow along with the popularity of esports. I'll be waiting for the eventual IPO - good luck.
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tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19201 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-02 22:11:27
October 02 2016 22:11 GMT
#139
Selling the controlling interest is literally what selling out is
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Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
October 03 2016 06:15 GMT
#140
On October 03 2016 07:11 tofucake wrote:
Selling the controlling interest is literally what selling out is

So is this a yes on selling out being the correct term?
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