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On November 18 2015 18:44 Oshuy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2015 18:14 Makro wrote:
the owner of the appartment that is stormed right now said that he didn't know they were terrorist and he rented out the appartment just to "do a favor"
of course no one trust him, and you can know understand how hard it is for the police and such when you have a whole population/neighborhood protecting these terrorist on your on soil
Think you are jumping the gun on that one. No reason so far to believe he was more than he states. Small crook (seems he broke in the flat, found it empty, then lent/rent it), but knowingly renting it for preparing a terrorist attack ? Bad for business. Same goes for a "whole population" protecting terrorists. Hiding friends, yes of course. Knowingly hiding terrorists ? Unlikely.
That's the point though. You bring over thousands of these Islam people and they have different language/culture. They stay in their own circles and support their own. There is little assimilation. These people aren't French or Canadian. During ww2, hardly anyone cared two shits abouts the Jews. The Canadians famously said 1 was too many. This social justice warrior culture will be the death of the West.
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source : bfmtv
"13h - Le logeur interpellé avait été condamné à huit ans de prison en 2008 pour coups et blessures ayant entraîné la mort sans intention de la donner"
basically the famous guy that rented out the appartment to people he doesn't know at all (maybe he's just only bad at doing business?) has been sentenced to 8 years and yet still got released before
apparently the guy even rented out the appartment for others people that are actively wanted
also the people that have been killed/arrested planned to do an attack over La Défense in Paris
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Damn, hero dog. Hopefully they can get some good information from these fools. France is kicking ass!
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Hahaha, the lady blew herself up when she saw a dog ? Who's scared now, uh ?
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Now Sweden has raised it's terror level due to concrete information.
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On November 18 2015 10:12 summoner503 wrote:
I think capitalism or whatever is not the real problem , the problem is that people think they can live their whole life in safety and if things dont go their way they become crazy , the west is in war with syria and the middle east for many years , its only natural that this war will finally come to our home , we should prepare our people for these events , its ignorant and dangerous to believe we can keep living the same way like nothing happened , its pretty clear this isnt working , civilians should be better equipped and more capable to fight back , they should get proper training because this war affect them too. We should invest more in equipment to reduce casualties and we should also finally understand that multicultural societies dunnot work , muslims should be expelled from europe. Europe has to do one thing and that is man up and fight , solving theories or trying to analyze how humanity should be will lead us nowhere.
Sounds great. Why don't we just murder them though? I mean, if we are at war with syria, and muslims are therefore our enemies, sending them back to where they all came from (Syria,right?) might strengthen our enemy significantly. Kill them and then take all their money and property and give it to good hard working europeans, like greeks! By the way, Greeks are not Germans either, maybe Germany should expel all greek from Germany as well. Or no, wait, we kill them all as well, because why the hell not? Better safe then sorry, right? MAN UP EUROPE! I MEAN GERMANY! KILL ALL GREEKS! Wait, that was not what you wanted? But it's all so logical. But i am sure if i would know you better, i would really not call you a hateful right wing extremist 
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On November 18 2015 21:51 TRaFFiC wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2015 18:44 Oshuy wrote:On November 18 2015 18:14 Makro wrote:
the owner of the appartment that is stormed right now said that he didn't know they were terrorist and he rented out the appartment just to "do a favor"
of course no one trust him, and you can know understand how hard it is for the police and such when you have a whole population/neighborhood protecting these terrorist on your on soil
Think you are jumping the gun on that one. No reason so far to believe he was more than he states. Small crook (seems he broke in the flat, found it empty, then lent/rent it), but knowingly renting it for preparing a terrorist attack ? Bad for business. Same goes for a "whole population" protecting terrorists. Hiding friends, yes of course. Knowingly hiding terrorists ? Unlikely. That's the point though. You bring over thousands of these Islam people and they have different language/culture. They stay in their own circles and support their own. There is little assimilation. These people aren't French or Canadian. During ww2, hardly anyone cared two shits abouts the Jews. The Canadians famously said 1 was too many. This social justice warrior culture will be the death of the West.
It takes two to tango, assimilation works both ways. Muslims in Canada are wonderfully integrated, I know that because I live here now and Ive lived in the US for 10 years before this and the way the system operates aside from the Harper politics is an amazing example for the world to follow in terms of allowing people to assimilate.
France on the other hand despite having a massive Muslim population has never excepted "Islam people" and have been so scared of the thought that Islamic values might become common place they have consistently put restrictions "hint headscarf" on them and made things difficult
Heck even the Imams of the Muslim community are picked by the authorities, so instead of having leaders from within the community that understand french muslims and can help affect policies better, they bring people in from the outside (that they have nominate btw) and say here you go. follow this guy. Its not clever policy.
Please dont see this as victim blaming or something silly like that because that seems to be the knee jerk reaction, but these are key issues that need addressing aswell. More so that razing supposed ISIS strong holds because we are all mad.
Actually everyone cared plenty about the Jews eventually, You know they got a whole country and stuff.
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I also think that French Laïcité isn't working at all. I think one thing we need to do to fight extremism is to publicly educate Imams here in Europe, and get Muslims into public institutions and create those institutions if they don't exist in the first place. The government can't just act like religion is a private matter and doesn't exist in public life, that's how you produce cultist beliefs and actually reduce exchange between secular and religious people.
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The FBI director said that a lot of countries are losing the fight on deradicalization, the US and France included. That intelligence services are not doing enough to pinpoint where the extremists are targeting and make in roads into those communities to combat it. Another report this morning showed that only four nations have active programs to combat recruitment efforts in their own country, with mission statements and plans. The rest are just relying on traditional law enforcement and that plan has flaws.
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On November 19 2015 01:18 Broetchenholer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2015 10:12 summoner503 wrote:
I think capitalism or whatever is not the real problem , the problem is that people think they can live their whole life in safety and if things dont go their way they become crazy , the west is in war with syria and the middle east for many years , its only natural that this war will finally come to our home , we should prepare our people for these events , its ignorant and dangerous to believe we can keep living the same way like nothing happened , its pretty clear this isnt working , civilians should be better equipped and more capable to fight back , they should get proper training because this war affect them too. We should invest more in equipment to reduce casualties and we should also finally understand that multicultural societies dunnot work , muslims should be expelled from europe. Europe has to do one thing and that is man up and fight , solving theories or trying to analyze how humanity should be will lead us nowhere. Sounds great. Why don't we just murder them though? I mean, if we are at war with syria, and muslims are therefore our enemies, sending them back to where they all came from (Syria,right?) might strengthen our enemy significantly. Kill them and then take all their money and property and give it to good hard working europeans, like greeks! By the way, Greeks are not Germans either, maybe Germany should expel all greek from Germany as well. Or no, wait, we kill them all as well, because why the hell not? Better safe then sorry, right? MAN UP EUROPE! I MEAN GERMANY! KILL ALL GREEKS! Wait, that was not what you wanted? But it's all so logical. But i am sure if i would know you better, i would really not call you a hateful right wing extremist
I never said muslims are enemies but they are suspectible to become ones if they fall into isis propaganda which is very possible , they grew with different values and religion and they hate christians and european style of life especially the fundamentalists , most of them are middleastern and violent in nature , it has been proven again and again , what do we achieve by accepting them? they form ghettos and live with others who are like them and they dont adjust.
Killing them is unethical and will make us the same beasts as they are but we have to protect our people and our traditions we should accept that the societies we are trying to create dunnot work , these people have to return back to their lands and fight for their own country. The west should also leave middleast countries alone and stop messing with them and doing wars , we destroyed syria,iraq and libya , we made the life of those people a hell , we are resposible aswell and we should try to fix the chaos and damage we created but accepting their people here and leaving their countries in ruins is not the solution.
Its not strange that you talk about killing them and looting them , after all your race is famous for commiting genocides and looting money , we greeks know this better than anyone but unlike you we have honor and respect for others , greeks are among the most hardworkers and many researches have proven that but keep spouting the same bullshit its ok , dont forget bastard we voted against taking your theft money , most greeks dont want to be in eurozone. Im also against greeks who leave to live a better life in foreign countries , these people are cowards and most of them are high educated , this will cause a lot of damage to our country because we need them so i wouldnt really be mad if germany decided to expell them also i wouldnt be surprised if germany decided to turn into nazi mode and genocide them , they are responsible for living in your zoophile and filthy country, now go drink your beer piggie and trust me i dont give a shit about germany and what it wants to do with greeks who are living there.
Your answer proves that you a hypocrite and you are the right wing extremist not me.
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On November 19 2015 02:13 Nyxisto wrote:
I also think that French Laïcité isn't working at all. I think one thing we need to do to fight extremism is to publicly educate Imams here in Europe, and get Muslims into public institutions and create those institutions if they don't exist in the first place. The government can't just act like religion is a private matter and doesn't exist in public life, that's how you produce cultist beliefs and actually reduce exchange between secular and religious people.
So you want french people to pay for imams and mosque ? Yeah right, this will clearly solve the racial tension in France.
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On November 19 2015 02:41 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2015 02:13 Nyxisto wrote:
I also think that French Laïcité isn't working at all. I think one thing we need to do to fight extremism is to publicly educate Imams here in Europe, and get Muslims into public institutions and create those institutions if they don't exist in the first place. The government can't just act like religion is a private matter and doesn't exist in public life, that's how you produce cultist beliefs and actually reduce exchange between secular and religious people. So you want french people to pay for imams and mosque ? Yeah right, this will clearly solve the racial tension in France.
That isn’t what he said at all, he is talking about secular programs to help educate and provide upward mobility within those communities. And not passing laws banning head scarves. Stuff like that.
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On November 19 2015 02:41 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2015 02:13 Nyxisto wrote:
I also think that French Laïcité isn't working at all. I think one thing we need to do to fight extremism is to publicly educate Imams here in Europe, and get Muslims into public institutions and create those institutions if they don't exist in the first place. The government can't just act like religion is a private matter and doesn't exist in public life, that's how you produce cultist beliefs and actually reduce exchange between secular and religious people. So you want french people to pay for imams and mosque ? Yeah right, this will clearly solve the racial tension in France.
If you want a French Islam that's makes integration possible, yeah I think you need to put some money and work in. There is absolutely no control about foreign funded mosques, primarily sponsored by SA with a Wahhabi bend. If I'm not mistaken Austria has outlawed all foreign religious funding and completely funds these institutions domestically. I think that's the way to go.
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On November 19 2015 02:46 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2015 02:41 WhiteDog wrote:On November 19 2015 02:13 Nyxisto wrote:
I also think that French Laïcité isn't working at all. I think one thing we need to do to fight extremism is to publicly educate Imams here in Europe, and get Muslims into public institutions and create those institutions if they don't exist in the first place. The government can't just act like religion is a private matter and doesn't exist in public life, that's how you produce cultist beliefs and actually reduce exchange between secular and religious people. So you want french people to pay for imams and mosque ? Yeah right, this will clearly solve the racial tension in France. That isn’t what he said at all, he is talking about secular programs to help educate and provide upward mobility within those communities. And not passing laws banning head scarves. Stuff like that.
Yes that is what he said but you didn't understand.
Laws banning head scarves IN PUBLIC SCHOOL (nowhere else) are a blessing but have nothing to do with laïcité (the laïcité was voted in 1905).
On November 19 2015 02:48 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2015 02:41 WhiteDog wrote:On November 19 2015 02:13 Nyxisto wrote:
I also think that French Laïcité isn't working at all. I think one thing we need to do to fight extremism is to publicly educate Imams here in Europe, and get Muslims into public institutions and create those institutions if they don't exist in the first place. The government can't just act like religion is a private matter and doesn't exist in public life, that's how you produce cultist beliefs and actually reduce exchange between secular and religious people. So you want french people to pay for imams and mosque ? Yeah right, this will clearly solve the racial tension in France. If you want a French Islam that's makes integration possible, yeah I think you need to put some money and work in. There is absolutely no control about foreign funded mosques, primarily sponsored by SA with a Wahhabi bend. If I'm not mistaken Austria has outlawed all foreign religious funding and completely funds these institutions domestically. I think that's the way to go.
Then you don't need to pay for imam but rather control where the money is coming and where it is going. You can also penalize imam that preach salafism. And most of all, you need to help kids to get good education and find work.
Going back on what is one of the most cherrished law in France is ridiculous, especially considering radicalism also exist in other countries where laicité does not exist (the UK, belgium).
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On November 18 2015 16:23 WarSame wrote:
The French police are doing a good job so far apparently.
Considering what many other countries have been doing in the Middle East, it makes you think "Why France? Why now?". Given that the terrorists claimed it was for Syria, with all the Syrian refugees currently in Europe, I buy into the theory that these attacks were designed to separate the main European society from the Syrian refugees. Accomplishing that would further ISIS' plans to create war between all Muslims and non-Muslims, by polarizing all moderate Muslims, and their host countries vs. them.
Otherwise it doesn't make sense for France to be a target now - but given their refugees, and their bombing in Syria, it is understandable.
Most of the Muslim population in Europe are not Syrian refugees, and almost none are in France. By your analysis, if refugees were the focus, surely it would've been Berlin or Stockholm instead of Paris. I don't know why ISIS's given motive of retaliation for French involvement in Syria seems so unbelievable to people.
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Washington Post quotes Intelligence sources saying that Abdelhamid Abaaoud, background planer of the attacks, was killed this morning during the shooting in Saint-Denis.
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I just read the opposite.
Belgian jihadist and Paris attacks ringleader Abdelhamid Abaaoud was NOT among those arrested in Saint-Denis siege, police confirm
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On November 18 2015 04:28 frazzle wrote:Hard to keep reading past this line: "The secular substitutes for religion — nationalism, racism and political ideology — have all led to disaster." Like any of those three aren't also connected to religion. And what about Humanism and the Enlightenment? Are those failures? SMH David Brooks.
well to be fair, an argument could be made that humanism has failed. what we have today is feminism, racialism, economic determinism etc. the enlightenment value of individual liberty has largely been displaced by a culture of collectivism and identity politics.
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On November 19 2015 03:31 Reaps wrote:
I just read the opposite.
Belgian jihadist and Paris attacks ringleader Abdelhamid Abaaoud was NOT among those arrested in Saint-Denis siege, police confirm
This is not the opposite. They confirmed he was not captured, but during the press onference they did mention, they had not identified the killed. WP says, that A.A. is among those killed 
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