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m4ini
4215 Posts
On November 14 2015 11:24 Cricketer12 wrote: Can someone give me actual examples of Islam belittling women? Come on now.. I supported some of your claims, but now you're stretching everyones patience here. | ||
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On November 14 2015 11:24 Cricketer12 wrote: Can someone give me actual examples of Islam belittling women? Can't offer more than some examples from the koran, but one cannot say that this does not give a sub-optimal view of the value of women vs men corpus.quran.com | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
On November 14 2015 11:24 Cricketer12 wrote: Can someone give me actual examples of Islam belittling women? are you only accepting explicit passages from the quran? | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On November 14 2015 11:23 m4ini wrote: Don't be dense. If a dude sees his brother starting to watch the wrong stuff, changes in behaviour etc - he can report that YEARS before intelligence catches up on that. Other than popular beliefs, security agencies don't have bugs in every appartment. You probably only need a few dozen people actually inside the country to organize something like this. It simply can not be prevented if people are determined to do this. You can't really demand that everybody treats their family members like a potential terrorist. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13991 Posts
On November 14 2015 11:24 WhiteDog wrote: He is absolutly right, I have personnal knowledge about people, in mosque in the area I live, pushing young kids to go in syria and moderate muslim either doing nothing against it or just kicking the radicals out without ever reporting to the police. Well in that specific scenario I will say that the moderates did the wrong thing. If they knew that there was an individual...wait before I continue let me just clarify what exactly do you mean when you say "pushing young kids to go in syria". What does he want them do there? In any case if they were aware he was doing something wrong/illegal they should have reported it. Am I saying that those are the worst people on Earth, or do I have any actual opinion on them? No, because I have no information to make a resound opinion. | ||
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damoonwolf
France98 Posts
If you want to understand the France's situation, tonight #palestine is one of the top trend on french's twitter and it'sa lot of muslim teen who write sentence like "you crying for 100 dead? is nothing, look palestine" and other who are happy than french people live "what palestinian live everyday" P | ||
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
On November 14 2015 11:24 Cricketer12 wrote: Can someone give me actual examples of Islam belittling women? Amazing. | ||
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
they barely qualify as human anymore | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On November 14 2015 11:28 Nyxisto wrote: You probably only need a few dozen people actually inside the country to organize something like this. It simply can not be prevented if people are determined to do this. You can't really demand that everybody treats their family members like a potential terrorist. No, of course you can't prevent that. There you're right. But to say "would be pointless" is far off. And there's a difference between treating a brother like a potential terrorist (although, if he is, guess its up to you to either report or help him) and maybe(!) preventing innocents from dying. edit: you as a german, i can tell you that from what i can tell, "moderates" don't stand up to salafists in german refugee camps either. And there it would be a shining example. | ||
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oBlade
United States5908 Posts
On November 14 2015 11:20 Plansix wrote: I have never understood why people think that moderate Muslims could do this. These terrorists evade national security agencies, but moderate Mulsims can stop them because....magic. The point is this. That the violence committed by Muslim extremists comes from the extreme, radical, or fundamentalist aspects of their ideology. That moderate Muslims don't share those goals. But that it's Muslims alone can effect reforms in the Muslim world. And as extreme ideologies get perpetuated less, people will commit less immorality in the name of those ideologies. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13991 Posts
On November 14 2015 11:27 Aocowns wrote: Can't offer more than some examples from the koran, but one cannot say that this might give a sub-optimal view of the value of women vs men corpus.quran.com I love how this is always the verse that people bring up because they never take the verses around it for context which pretty much say when it says "Strike" that if the force you apply is enough to change the color of her skin (aka her blood leaving that area) then you have struck her to hard. In other words YOU ARE NOT ALOUD BY THE QUR'AN TO HIT YOUR WIFE. Furthermore when I made that post the point I was trying to make was that either people would bring up this verse or say something about Saudi etc. Well I have explained this verse. As for actual examples, I am saying you have to take that as a case by case basis, because you can't say saudis dont let women drive, saudi is predominately muslim, therefore islam belittles women. | ||
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ref4
2933 Posts
On November 14 2015 11:23 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: When a majority of the populace has disdain for believing in a tribalisic tradition of women being subservient and so on then it can have dramatic effects. So you rather people go all McCarthy on their own families? Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States13991 Posts
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On November 14 2015 11:32 Cricketer12 wrote: I love how this is always the verse that people bring up because they never take the verses around it for context which pretty much say when it says "Strike" that if the force you apply is enough to change the color of her skin (aka her blood leaving that area) then you have struck her to hard. In other words YOU ARE NOT ALOUD BY THE QUR'AN TO HIT YOUR WIFE. Furthermore when I made that post the point I was trying to make was that either people would bring up this verse or say something about Saudi etc. Well I have explained this verse. As for actual examples, I am saying you have to take that as a case by case basis, because you can't say saudis dont let women drive, saudi is predominately muslim, therefore islam belittles women. Let's put it this way. A book that can give birth to the Sharia is quite bad in my world. And if you actually wanna try and argue with me now that Sharia isn't "belittling" (or flatout discriminating) women, .. edit: should've added that christianity actually isn't better at all. I'm more in the "fuck religion" camp rather than just bashing one in particular. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13991 Posts
On November 14 2015 11:35 m4ini wrote: Let's put it this way. A book that can give birth to the Sharia is quite bad in my world. And if you actually wanna try and argue with me now that Sharia isn't "belittling" (or flatout discriminating) women, .. Sharia=law in Arabic. There is no book of Sharia. Sharia is the comprehensive idea of the teachings from Quran hadith and sunnah about how a Muslim should live his/her life. Sharia is me fasting during the month of ramadan, or praying 5 times idea. Sharia doesn't tell me to blow myself up or beat someone up because she is a women. | ||
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ref4
2933 Posts
On November 14 2015 11:34 Cricketer12 wrote: Let me ask you this, and granted this is primarily directed at America, because that is the country of my birth and I actually know enough about it to bring this up but, how many female presidents/heads of state have we elected? 0 You can't say the same about Pakistan Turkey Bangladesh etc wtf does that have to do with anything in this thread and judging by the look of things we'll have Madame President Clinton 2016. | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
On November 14 2015 11:34 Cricketer12 wrote: Let me ask you this, and granted this is primarily directed at America, because that is the country of my birth and I actually know enough about it to bring this up but, how many female presidents/heads of state have we elected? 0 You can't say the same about Pakistan Turkey Bangladesh etc ur joking..... | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13991 Posts
On November 14 2015 11:37 ref4 wrote: wtf does that have to do with anything in this thread and judging by the look of things we'll have Madame President Clinton 2016. we have been having a discussion about the attack in Paris. Which of course devolved into an argument on Islam. Part of which discussed the state of women in Islam. Hence the relevance...and dear God I hope we don't get Clinton. Granted she can't be worse than trump.... | ||
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Agathon
France1505 Posts
On November 14 2015 11:20 Plansix wrote: I have never understood why people think that moderate Muslims could do this. These terrorists evade national security agencies, but moderate Mulsims can stop them because....magic. Humans are dumb. As simple as that. | ||
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