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Bataclan Raid confirmed, still ongoing.
Sky News.
edit: not bataclava, obviously. Late. :/
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Northern Ireland22212 Posts
On November 14 2015 08:40 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 08:36 crms wrote:On November 14 2015 08:34 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:31 crms wrote:On November 14 2015 08:27 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:22 Maluk wrote:On November 14 2015 08:16 KwarK wrote:
Is the difference between English and Nirish so much greater than that between French and Syrian?. What. My point was that people are people everywhere. That was essentially what I was getting at. That the only real difference between a Syrian infant and a French infant is geography. Infants aren't yet indoctrinated into barbaric, backwards, belief systems. And neither is every Syrian. Of course not, but you're being intellectually dishonest with your infant analogy as it pertains to the immigration issue overall. My original argument was with a Northern Irish person who was claiming that one group of people have no obligation to assist another group of people if the price is the risk of terrorism. I found this particularly striking given the history of the English enduring and fighting terrorism on behalf of the Northern Irish. When I explained this to him he went with "that's different though". My point with him was that the Syrians may be a different people but differences sure as hell didn't matter to him back when it was his homeland in danger and he needed the help of the English. He was happy enough to focus on what he had in common with the English and the English, for their part, did the right thing in standing up to the terrorism of the IRA. Now I'm no longer arguing directly with him we're a long way past relevance but my core point was that whenever you do the right thing people who disagree with it are going to be cunts. That doesn't make the right thing less worth doing.
how can u compare the british defending its citizens on its soverign soil to europe letting in refugees?
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4 attackers, 1 killed outside theater
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Why is there so much refugee talk in this thread?
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On November 14 2015 08:44 Nebuchad wrote:
Why is there so much refugee talk in this thread?
You really can't guess why?
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United States43617 Posts
On November 14 2015 08:43 ahswtini wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 08:40 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:36 crms wrote:On November 14 2015 08:34 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:31 crms wrote:On November 14 2015 08:27 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:22 Maluk wrote:On November 14 2015 08:16 KwarK wrote:
Is the difference between English and Nirish so much greater than that between French and Syrian?. What. My point was that people are people everywhere. That was essentially what I was getting at. That the only real difference between a Syrian infant and a French infant is geography. Infants aren't yet indoctrinated into barbaric, backwards, belief systems. And neither is every Syrian. Of course not, but you're being intellectually dishonest with your infant analogy as it pertains to the immigration issue overall. My original argument was with a Northern Irish person who was claiming that one group of people have no obligation to assist another group of people if the price is the risk of terrorism. I found this particularly striking given the history of the English enduring and fighting terrorism on behalf of the Northern Irish. When I explained this to him he went with "that's different though". My point with him was that the Syrians may be a different people but differences sure as hell didn't matter to him back when it was his homeland in danger and he needed the help of the English. He was happy enough to focus on what he had in common with the English and the English, for their part, did the right thing in standing up to the terrorism of the IRA. Now I'm no longer arguing directly with him we're a long way past relevance but my core point was that whenever you do the right thing people who disagree with it are going to be cunts. That doesn't make the right thing less worth doing. how can u compare the british defending its citizens on its soverign soil to europe letting in refugees?
Quite easily. As I said, I feel no kinship with you just because we share a passport. Nor do I have any special relationship with the soil you stand on just because it's north of the border with the Republic of Ireland. Soil is soil. Blood is blood.
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On November 14 2015 08:44 Nebuchad wrote:
Why is there so much refugee talk in this thread?
Isn't that obvious ?
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On November 14 2015 08:25 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 08:22 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:19 Rocket-Bear wrote:On November 14 2015 08:16 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:11 ahswtini wrote:On November 14 2015 08:09 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:07 ahswtini wrote:On November 14 2015 08:06 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:04 ahswtini wrote:On November 14 2015 08:03 KwarK wrote:
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I'm not sure what your point is. There are an awful lot of refugees, it's a huge humanitarian crisis, two incidents doesn't disqualify them from needing help. And surely if we can help the refugees while arresting ISIS members that's a good thing.
If you've got any suggestions for solving the refugee crisis while also solving the ISIS problem I will happily hear them though. how about looking after our own first? shit sucks, u cant help everyone in the world, but ultimately france should put the safety of its own people first You a Loyalist by any chance? i'm a realist Do you remember that time the English decided the IRA were too much effort and left the Nirish on their own? I don't. I recall terrorism being accepted as the price of a necessary fight to protect the rights of the people. how is this relevant? northern ireland = part of the uk. the people of northern ireland are british. of course the british government can't abandon them. how is this related to european countries being obliged to help refugees at the expense of their own security? We're all people. The difference between English and Nirish is not so much less than between French and Syrian. Are you actually serious? There are bigger core value differences. And you know the part that Syria is a muslim country And for being a "religion of peace" they sure tend to end up in a lot of wars I didn't mean in terms of core values or culture although it is interesting to note that a large number of people in Northern Ireland were passionately anti English to the point of bombings and so forth and were also very passionately of a different religion to the English majority. But I was more talking in terms of "people are people everywhere". Christians seem to get into a fair few wars too. Do we have an atheist control group to check if it's not just a thing that people do? Atheist control groups are called communists, I'm sure atheists have caused a fair few more deaths then religious people over the last century.
Granted, the Soviet state was atheistic in a technical sense.
But as a system Soviet Communism was a state religious thought control system, complete with their own holy figures and relics. (Lenin being an example of both.) The parallels between it and standard monoteistic religions like Christianity and Islam are really clear, it just wasn't as good at it as they are.
Not surprising considering they aimed at the same wetware. (Human brains.)
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cant tell which questions are rhetorical
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Hm.. Raid going for more than 15 minutes apparently now (if you judge by news source times) - how long does a raid like that take, generally? Honest question, never really checked up on that.
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The far right parties are going to get a recruitment drive.
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frenchmen please be okay and safe
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Northern Ireland22212 Posts
On November 14 2015 08:45 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 08:43 ahswtini wrote:On November 14 2015 08:40 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:36 crms wrote:On November 14 2015 08:34 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:31 crms wrote:On November 14 2015 08:27 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:22 Maluk wrote:On November 14 2015 08:16 KwarK wrote:
Is the difference between English and Nirish so much greater than that between French and Syrian?. What. My point was that people are people everywhere. That was essentially what I was getting at. That the only real difference between a Syrian infant and a French infant is geography. Infants aren't yet indoctrinated into barbaric, backwards, belief systems. And neither is every Syrian. Of course not, but you're being intellectually dishonest with your infant analogy as it pertains to the immigration issue overall. My original argument was with a Northern Irish person who was claiming that one group of people have no obligation to assist another group of people if the price is the risk of terrorism. I found this particularly striking given the history of the English enduring and fighting terrorism on behalf of the Northern Irish. When I explained this to him he went with "that's different though". My point with him was that the Syrians may be a different people but differences sure as hell didn't matter to him back when it was his homeland in danger and he needed the help of the English. He was happy enough to focus on what he had in common with the English and the English, for their part, did the right thing in standing up to the terrorism of the IRA. Now I'm no longer arguing directly with him we're a long way past relevance but my core point was that whenever you do the right thing people who disagree with it are going to be cunts. That doesn't make the right thing less worth doing. how can u compare the british defending its citizens on its soverign soil to europe letting in refugees? Quite easily. As I said, I feel no kinship with you just because we share a passport. Nor do I have any special relationship with the soil you stand on just because it's north of the border with the Republic of Ireland. Soil is soil. Blood is blood.
yeah thats not how government and politics works. the government (rightfully) puts its own citizens first.
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On November 14 2015 08:41 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 08:36 Erasme wrote:On November 14 2015 08:30 Djzapz wrote:On November 14 2015 08:23 Erasme wrote:On November 14 2015 08:21 Djzapz wrote:On November 14 2015 08:20 Erasme wrote:im sorry guys ahah i clearly overreacted see i fixed it teehee  Do you think this is a reasonable reaction to tens of deaths? I already sent messages to my friends who heard gunshots right down their houses thanks internet warrior clueless of economy and politics I know a lot about those topics, I teach one of them in a university and I'm decently versed in the other... I'm just not fond of "Merkel is responsible of this" with no context, no explanation, a very absolute statement too which shows a lack of actual understanding of the issues. Anyone with half a brain would be skeptical of the BS spouted by someone like you - single-cause explanation of a complicated issue. Good to hear that you've sent messages though. Anyone with half a brain wouldn't need explainations on those statements. Or do you, as a teacher, believe that the German model work ? Or that Merkel and the rest of the EU didn't go overboard with their promises on the syrian crisis ? The answer can be simplified by : No it doesn't work, yes they did go overboard. The world is in an economic crisis right now, do you think that countries like France, Spain, Italy with a weakened economy can take tens thousands of refugees ? Those are all questions which could be handled in hundreds of pages and the general population have a very basic understanding of them and their implications. To say "merkel" is responsible for this is extremely reductive. Now, I'll admit that I'm not an expert on this topic, but I don't need to be an expect to point out that the point you made is outright bad. If you think Merkel's policies played a role in this (or is ENTIRELY responsible for this, as you suggested before), then explain why. I can't stand these kinds of assertions, never assume that people know what you mean. We live in a world where people have agendas. Most people who blame Hollande for this, most people who blame Merkel for this, they're just angry assholes who don't understand shit. If you think you're anything more than an angry asshole with a beef against a politician in particular, prove it by explaining your ideas.
I read those hundred pages, wrote a couple of paper on it. I don't have the time to rewrite it here. I explained it enough in my last post. My teachers might be biased, however i am not entirely wrong. I love Germany so much I want two.
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United States43617 Posts
On November 14 2015 08:46 ahswtini wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 08:45 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:43 ahswtini wrote:On November 14 2015 08:40 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:36 crms wrote:On November 14 2015 08:34 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:31 crms wrote:On November 14 2015 08:27 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:22 Maluk wrote:On November 14 2015 08:16 KwarK wrote:
Is the difference between English and Nirish so much greater than that between French and Syrian?. What. My point was that people are people everywhere. That was essentially what I was getting at. That the only real difference between a Syrian infant and a French infant is geography. Infants aren't yet indoctrinated into barbaric, backwards, belief systems. And neither is every Syrian. Of course not, but you're being intellectually dishonest with your infant analogy as it pertains to the immigration issue overall. My original argument was with a Northern Irish person who was claiming that one group of people have no obligation to assist another group of people if the price is the risk of terrorism. I found this particularly striking given the history of the English enduring and fighting terrorism on behalf of the Northern Irish. When I explained this to him he went with "that's different though". My point with him was that the Syrians may be a different people but differences sure as hell didn't matter to him back when it was his homeland in danger and he needed the help of the English. He was happy enough to focus on what he had in common with the English and the English, for their part, did the right thing in standing up to the terrorism of the IRA. Now I'm no longer arguing directly with him we're a long way past relevance but my core point was that whenever you do the right thing people who disagree with it are going to be cunts. That doesn't make the right thing less worth doing. how can u compare the british defending its citizens on its soverign soil to europe letting in refugees? Quite easily. As I said, I feel no kinship with you just because we share a passport. Nor do I have any special relationship with the soil you stand on just because it's north of the border with the Republic of Ireland. Soil is soil. Blood is blood. yeah thats not how government and politics works. the government (rightfully) puts its own citizens first.
Fortunately I have no interest in debating politics. I was debating principles. The two couldn't be further apart.
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On November 14 2015 08:45 Sent. wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 08:44 Nebuchad wrote:
Why is there so much refugee talk in this thread? You really can't guess why?
We all know why. But this isnt the time to talk about refugees.
These people arent refugees these people are terrorists.
The problem arent the refugees, terrorists are. And keeping them apart may be hard, but as long as nothing is confirmed discussions about seperating these arent relevant to this topic.
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On November 14 2015 08:45 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 08:43 ahswtini wrote:On November 14 2015 08:40 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:36 crms wrote:On November 14 2015 08:34 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:31 crms wrote:On November 14 2015 08:27 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:22 Maluk wrote:On November 14 2015 08:16 KwarK wrote:
Is the difference between English and Nirish so much greater than that between French and Syrian?. What. My point was that people are people everywhere. That was essentially what I was getting at. That the only real difference between a Syrian infant and a French infant is geography. Infants aren't yet indoctrinated into barbaric, backwards, belief systems. And neither is every Syrian. Of course not, but you're being intellectually dishonest with your infant analogy as it pertains to the immigration issue overall. My original argument was with a Northern Irish person who was claiming that one group of people have no obligation to assist another group of people if the price is the risk of terrorism. I found this particularly striking given the history of the English enduring and fighting terrorism on behalf of the Northern Irish. When I explained this to him he went with "that's different though". My point with him was that the Syrians may be a different people but differences sure as hell didn't matter to him back when it was his homeland in danger and he needed the help of the English. He was happy enough to focus on what he had in common with the English and the English, for their part, did the right thing in standing up to the terrorism of the IRA. Now I'm no longer arguing directly with him we're a long way past relevance but my core point was that whenever you do the right thing people who disagree with it are going to be cunts. That doesn't make the right thing less worth doing. how can u compare the british defending its citizens on its soverign soil to europe letting in refugees? Quite easily. As I said, I feel no kinship with you just because we share a passport. Nor do I have any special relationship with the soil you stand on just because it's north of the border with the Republic of Ireland. Soil is soil. Blood is blood.
And you saying that is a failure. You share more than soil with him, you share institution, history, a condition.
Those people that did it didn't feel any kind of kinship with the people they killed too btw.
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On November 14 2015 08:47 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 08:46 ahswtini wrote:On November 14 2015 08:45 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:43 ahswtini wrote:On November 14 2015 08:40 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:36 crms wrote:On November 14 2015 08:34 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:31 crms wrote:On November 14 2015 08:27 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:22 Maluk wrote:
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What. My point was that people are people everywhere. That was essentially what I was getting at. That the only real difference between a Syrian infant and a French infant is geography. Infants aren't yet indoctrinated into barbaric, backwards, belief systems. And neither is every Syrian. Of course not, but you're being intellectually dishonest with your infant analogy as it pertains to the immigration issue overall. My original argument was with a Northern Irish person who was claiming that one group of people have no obligation to assist another group of people if the price is the risk of terrorism. I found this particularly striking given the history of the English enduring and fighting terrorism on behalf of the Northern Irish. When I explained this to him he went with "that's different though". My point with him was that the Syrians may be a different people but differences sure as hell didn't matter to him back when it was his homeland in danger and he needed the help of the English. He was happy enough to focus on what he had in common with the English and the English, for their part, did the right thing in standing up to the terrorism of the IRA. Now I'm no longer arguing directly with him we're a long way past relevance but my core point was that whenever you do the right thing people who disagree with it are going to be cunts. That doesn't make the right thing less worth doing. how can u compare the british defending its citizens on its soverign soil to europe letting in refugees? Quite easily. As I said, I feel no kinship with you just because we share a passport. Nor do I have any special relationship with the soil you stand on just because it's north of the border with the Republic of Ireland. Soil is soil. Blood is blood. yeah thats not how government and politics works. the government (rightfully) puts its own citizens first. Fortunately I have no interest in debating politics. I was debating principles. The two couldn't be further apart.
youre so cynical and cool kwark i wish i could be idealistic and cynical at the same time like you
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Northern Ireland22212 Posts
On November 14 2015 08:47 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 08:46 ahswtini wrote:On November 14 2015 08:45 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:43 ahswtini wrote:On November 14 2015 08:40 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:36 crms wrote:On November 14 2015 08:34 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:31 crms wrote:On November 14 2015 08:27 KwarK wrote:On November 14 2015 08:22 Maluk wrote:
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What. My point was that people are people everywhere. That was essentially what I was getting at. That the only real difference between a Syrian infant and a French infant is geography. Infants aren't yet indoctrinated into barbaric, backwards, belief systems. And neither is every Syrian. Of course not, but you're being intellectually dishonest with your infant analogy as it pertains to the immigration issue overall. My original argument was with a Northern Irish person who was claiming that one group of people have no obligation to assist another group of people if the price is the risk of terrorism. I found this particularly striking given the history of the English enduring and fighting terrorism on behalf of the Northern Irish. When I explained this to him he went with "that's different though". My point with him was that the Syrians may be a different people but differences sure as hell didn't matter to him back when it was his homeland in danger and he needed the help of the English. He was happy enough to focus on what he had in common with the English and the English, for their part, did the right thing in standing up to the terrorism of the IRA. Now I'm no longer arguing directly with him we're a long way past relevance but my core point was that whenever you do the right thing people who disagree with it are going to be cunts. That doesn't make the right thing less worth doing. how can u compare the british defending its citizens on its soverign soil to europe letting in refugees? Quite easily. As I said, I feel no kinship with you just because we share a passport. Nor do I have any special relationship with the soil you stand on just because it's north of the border with the Republic of Ireland. Soil is soil. Blood is blood. yeah thats not how government and politics works. the government (rightfully) puts its own citizens first. Fortunately I have no interest in debating politics. I was debating principles. The two couldn't be further apart.
ok continue debating about things in ur utopia
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