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On June 26 2015 09:12 Yergidy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2015 09:00 FHDH wrote:On June 26 2015 08:57 BisuDagger wrote:On June 26 2015 08:49 FHDH wrote:No, in society, we never have occasion to force a company to do something they don't want to do, like not dump waste into a river or sell internet bandwidth without throttling the connection when the user tries to stream Netflix. This is cute. What is it you're suggesting? Just go ahead and say it. On June 26 2015 08:49 BisuDagger wrote:On June 26 2015 08:42 FHDH wrote:Is this really overdue? Yes. Recognizing this as a symbol of hate you might not want to be associated with is long overdue. What's even more overdue is the removal of things like the bust of Nathan Bedford Forrest from the Tennessee State House because "heritage." Of the removal of Jefferson Davis from the UT campus because "heritage." Removal of the banner from the flag of Mississippi, and getting rid of the "sons of the confederacy" license plates. What's long overdue is and end to the historical revisionism that leads people who really don't know better to fly the flag. The same historical revisionism that allows it to be flown on government grounds. The same historical revisionism that leads people to think their "heritage" trumps the reality of both history and the lives lead by African Americans. The flag was flown by those fighting to betray the United States so they could keep blacks in chains. It was revived to remind black Americans just who fucking runs the south. It's long, LONG fucking overdue to be recognized as such. How about the N word that has horrible connotations being used by our very own president this past weak on the radio. Our issues run deep these days. On a tablet not sure if source is correct here: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IR6UwAez8Ko So? Seriously, so what? How come black peopl can be offended by the flag, but not by the N word. They condone white people if they use it, but then use it freely. And now we get in trouble if we say African American instead of black. I'm having trouble keeping up with how to not offend people. The president saying the N word is endorsing that it is okay for blacks to say it, yet if a white person said the word in that interview he/she would lose their job. Oh christ, we've got a wee one here. Black people have made n**** their own. Gay men call each other f****. Lesbians freely use the word dyke. And so on and so on. This is a pattern of the oppressed. They are allowed it. White people don't get to complain about it. Straights don't get to complain about it. Doing so is extremely childish and demonstrates no real understanding of what the demographics in question have gone through. It means something different coming from their own mouths. Deal with it. The point is southerners have made the confederate flag their own, you can't have it both ways.
Making it your own requires it to have been used against you. That flag was never used against southern whites to put them in their place. Your point falls flat on its face.
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On June 26 2015 09:13 OuchyDathurts wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2015 09:12 Yergidy wrote:On June 26 2015 09:00 FHDH wrote:On June 26 2015 08:57 BisuDagger wrote:On June 26 2015 08:49 FHDH wrote:No, in society, we never have occasion to force a company to do something they don't want to do, like not dump waste into a river or sell internet bandwidth without throttling the connection when the user tries to stream Netflix. This is cute. What is it you're suggesting? Just go ahead and say it. On June 26 2015 08:49 BisuDagger wrote:On June 26 2015 08:42 FHDH wrote:Is this really overdue? Yes. Recognizing this as a symbol of hate you might not want to be associated with is long overdue. What's even more overdue is the removal of things like the bust of Nathan Bedford Forrest from the Tennessee State House because "heritage." Of the removal of Jefferson Davis from the UT campus because "heritage." Removal of the banner from the flag of Mississippi, and getting rid of the "sons of the confederacy" license plates. What's long overdue is and end to the historical revisionism that leads people who really don't know better to fly the flag. The same historical revisionism that allows it to be flown on government grounds. The same historical revisionism that leads people to think their "heritage" trumps the reality of both history and the lives lead by African Americans. The flag was flown by those fighting to betray the United States so they could keep blacks in chains. It was revived to remind black Americans just who fucking runs the south. It's long, LONG fucking overdue to be recognized as such. How about the N word that has horrible connotations being used by our very own president this past weak on the radio. Our issues run deep these days. On a tablet not sure if source is correct here: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IR6UwAez8Ko So? Seriously, so what? How come black peopl can be offended by the flag, but not by the N word. They condone white people if they use it, but then use it freely. And now we get in trouble if we say African American instead of black. I'm having trouble keeping up with how to not offend people. The president saying the N word is endorsing that it is okay for blacks to say it, yet if a white person said the word in that interview he/she would lose their job. Oh christ, we've got a wee one here. Black people have made n**** their own. Gay men call each other f****. Lesbians freely use the word dyke. And so on and so on. This is a pattern of the oppressed. They are allowed it. White people don't get to complain about it. Straights don't get to complain about it. Doing so is extremely childish and demonstrates no real understanding of what the demographics in question have gone through. It means something different coming from their own mouths. Deal with it. The point is southerners have made the confederate flag their own, you can't have it both ways. Making it your own requires it to have been used against you. That flag was never used against southern whites to put them in their place. Your point falls flat on its face.
Exactly this. For an actually applicable example see "redneck."
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On June 26 2015 09:13 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2015 09:12 Yergidy wrote:On June 26 2015 09:00 FHDH wrote:On June 26 2015 08:57 BisuDagger wrote:On June 26 2015 08:49 FHDH wrote:No, in society, we never have occasion to force a company to do something they don't want to do, like not dump waste into a river or sell internet bandwidth without throttling the connection when the user tries to stream Netflix. This is cute. What is it you're suggesting? Just go ahead and say it. On June 26 2015 08:49 BisuDagger wrote:On June 26 2015 08:42 FHDH wrote:Is this really overdue? Yes. Recognizing this as a symbol of hate you might not want to be associated with is long overdue. What's even more overdue is the removal of things like the bust of Nathan Bedford Forrest from the Tennessee State House because "heritage." Of the removal of Jefferson Davis from the UT campus because "heritage." Removal of the banner from the flag of Mississippi, and getting rid of the "sons of the confederacy" license plates. What's long overdue is and end to the historical revisionism that leads people who really don't know better to fly the flag. The same historical revisionism that allows it to be flown on government grounds. The same historical revisionism that leads people to think their "heritage" trumps the reality of both history and the lives lead by African Americans. The flag was flown by those fighting to betray the United States so they could keep blacks in chains. It was revived to remind black Americans just who fucking runs the south. It's long, LONG fucking overdue to be recognized as such. How about the N word that has horrible connotations being used by our very own president this past weak on the radio. Our issues run deep these days. On a tablet not sure if source is correct here: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IR6UwAez8Ko So? Seriously, so what? How come black peopl can be offended by the flag, but not by the N word. They condone white people if they use it, but then use it freely. And now we get in trouble if we say African American instead of black. I'm having trouble keeping up with how to not offend people. The president saying the N word is endorsing that it is okay for blacks to say it, yet if a white person said the word in that interview he/she would lose their job. Oh christ, we've got a wee one here. Black people have made n**** their own. Gay men call each other f****. Lesbians freely use the word dyke. And so on and so on. This is a pattern of the oppressed. They are allowed it. White people don't get to complain about it. Straights don't get to complain about it. Doing so is extremely childish and demonstrates no real understanding of what the demographics in question have gone through. It means something different coming from their own mouths. Deal with it. The point is southerners have made the confederate flag their own, you can't have it both ways. Yeah, they made it about racism when they started using it in the 50s.
And what about the N word? Is that not rooted in racism?
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So this was the reason for operation jade helm,they where afraid the south would start civil war again after more or less banning their flag. (jk)
Its kinda weird and I do not understand the banning. It was not only a symbol of intolerance,at least I didn't see it that way. It was just a symbol for the south, the dukes of hazard had it on their car and it looked kinda cool. guess that show wont ever air again in America now as its to controversial ?
I won't claim its a symbol of the south in general,just that for me as a non American it was. First time i saw the flag was as a kid in the original dukes of hazard series and I never thought anything bad of it.
Till now that is ><
Don't think this is a smart move and it will only make the southern pride stronger.
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On June 26 2015 09:16 Yergidy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2015 09:13 Plansix wrote:On June 26 2015 09:12 Yergidy wrote:On June 26 2015 09:00 FHDH wrote:On June 26 2015 08:57 BisuDagger wrote:On June 26 2015 08:49 FHDH wrote:No, in society, we never have occasion to force a company to do something they don't want to do, like not dump waste into a river or sell internet bandwidth without throttling the connection when the user tries to stream Netflix. This is cute. What is it you're suggesting? Just go ahead and say it. On June 26 2015 08:49 BisuDagger wrote:On June 26 2015 08:42 FHDH wrote:Is this really overdue? Yes. Recognizing this as a symbol of hate you might not want to be associated with is long overdue. What's even more overdue is the removal of things like the bust of Nathan Bedford Forrest from the Tennessee State House because "heritage." Of the removal of Jefferson Davis from the UT campus because "heritage." Removal of the banner from the flag of Mississippi, and getting rid of the "sons of the confederacy" license plates. What's long overdue is and end to the historical revisionism that leads people who really don't know better to fly the flag. The same historical revisionism that allows it to be flown on government grounds. The same historical revisionism that leads people to think their "heritage" trumps the reality of both history and the lives lead by African Americans. The flag was flown by those fighting to betray the United States so they could keep blacks in chains. It was revived to remind black Americans just who fucking runs the south. It's long, LONG fucking overdue to be recognized as such. How about the N word that has horrible connotations being used by our very own president this past weak on the radio. Our issues run deep these days. On a tablet not sure if source is correct here: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IR6UwAez8Ko So? Seriously, so what? How come black peopl can be offended by the flag, but not by the N word. They condone white people if they use it, but then use it freely. And now we get in trouble if we say African American instead of black. I'm having trouble keeping up with how to not offend people. The president saying the N word is endorsing that it is okay for blacks to say it, yet if a white person said the word in that interview he/she would lose their job. Oh christ, we've got a wee one here. Black people have made n**** their own. Gay men call each other f****. Lesbians freely use the word dyke. And so on and so on. This is a pattern of the oppressed. They are allowed it. White people don't get to complain about it. Straights don't get to complain about it. Doing so is extremely childish and demonstrates no real understanding of what the demographics in question have gone through. It means something different coming from their own mouths. Deal with it. The point is southerners have made the confederate flag their own, you can't have it both ways. Yeah, they made it about racism when they started using it in the 50s. And what about the N word? Is that not rooted in racism?
Oh my, we have a Very Clever Troll, everyone BEWARE
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On June 26 2015 09:17 Rassy wrote:
So this was the reason for operation jade helm,they where afraid the south would start civil war again after more or less banning their flag. (jk)
Its kinda weird and I do not understand the banning. It was not only a symbol of intolerance,at least I didn't see it that way. It was just a symbol for the south, the dukes of hazard had it on their car and it looked kinda cool. guess that show wont ever air again in America now as its to controversial ?
I won't claim its a symbol of the south in general,just that for me as a non American it was. First time i saw the flag was as a kid in the original dukes of hazard series and I never thought anything bad of it.
Till now that is ><
Don't think this is a smart move and it will only make the southern pride stronger.
1) There is no "ban". Private entities are choosing not to sell it.
2) The flag has always been associated with racism. It was a Confederate battle flag, and the Confederacy committed treason and started a war to keep slavery as an institution. No matter how you spin it, slavery was the overwhelming reason that the Civil War occurred, and almost any other reason for the Civil War is directly tied to slavery (e.g. "State's rights" is tied to the fact that Southern States wanted Southerners to be able to keep slaves if they traveled to Northern States under the doctrine of "State's Rights", even though those states were abolitionist states).
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On June 26 2015 09:18 FHDH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2015 09:16 Yergidy wrote:On June 26 2015 09:13 Plansix wrote:On June 26 2015 09:12 Yergidy wrote:On June 26 2015 09:00 FHDH wrote:On June 26 2015 08:57 BisuDagger wrote:On June 26 2015 08:49 FHDH wrote:No, in society, we never have occasion to force a company to do something they don't want to do, like not dump waste into a river or sell internet bandwidth without throttling the connection when the user tries to stream Netflix. This is cute. What is it you're suggesting? Just go ahead and say it. On June 26 2015 08:49 BisuDagger wrote:On June 26 2015 08:42 FHDH wrote:Is this really overdue? Yes. Recognizing this as a symbol of hate you might not want to be associated with is long overdue. What's even more overdue is the removal of things like the bust of Nathan Bedford Forrest from the Tennessee State House because "heritage." Of the removal of Jefferson Davis from the UT campus because "heritage." Removal of the banner from the flag of Mississippi, and getting rid of the "sons of the confederacy" license plates. What's long overdue is and end to the historical revisionism that leads people who really don't know better to fly the flag. The same historical revisionism that allows it to be flown on government grounds. The same historical revisionism that leads people to think their "heritage" trumps the reality of both history and the lives lead by African Americans. The flag was flown by those fighting to betray the United States so they could keep blacks in chains. It was revived to remind black Americans just who fucking runs the south. It's long, LONG fucking overdue to be recognized as such. How about the N word that has horrible connotations being used by our very own president this past weak on the radio. Our issues run deep these days. On a tablet not sure if source is correct here: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IR6UwAez8Ko So? Seriously, so what? How come black peopl can be offended by the flag, but not by the N word. They condone white people if they use it, but then use it freely. And now we get in trouble if we say African American instead of black. I'm having trouble keeping up with how to not offend people. The president saying the N word is endorsing that it is okay for blacks to say it, yet if a white person said the word in that interview he/she would lose their job. Oh christ, we've got a wee one here. Black people have made n**** their own. Gay men call each other f****. Lesbians freely use the word dyke. And so on and so on. This is a pattern of the oppressed. They are allowed it. White people don't get to complain about it. Straights don't get to complain about it. Doing so is extremely childish and demonstrates no real understanding of what the demographics in question have gone through. It means something different coming from their own mouths. Deal with it. The point is southerners have made the confederate flag their own, you can't have it both ways. Yeah, they made it about racism when they started using it in the 50s. And what about the N word? Is that not rooted in racism? Oh my, we have a Very Clever Troll, everyone BEWARE
If you think everyone who has a confederate flag is racist, you're a moron.
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On June 26 2015 09:21 Yergidy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2015 09:18 FHDH wrote:On June 26 2015 09:16 Yergidy wrote:On June 26 2015 09:13 Plansix wrote:On June 26 2015 09:12 Yergidy wrote:On June 26 2015 09:00 FHDH wrote:On June 26 2015 08:57 BisuDagger wrote:On June 26 2015 08:49 FHDH wrote:No, in society, we never have occasion to force a company to do something they don't want to do, like not dump waste into a river or sell internet bandwidth without throttling the connection when the user tries to stream Netflix. This is cute. What is it you're suggesting? Just go ahead and say it. On June 26 2015 08:49 BisuDagger wrote:On June 26 2015 08:42 FHDH wrote:
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Yes. Recognizing this as a symbol of hate you might not want to be associated with is long overdue.
What's even more overdue is the removal of things like the bust of Nathan Bedford Forrest from the Tennessee State House because "heritage." Of the removal of Jefferson Davis from the UT campus because "heritage." Removal of the banner from the flag of Mississippi, and getting rid of the "sons of the confederacy" license plates.
What's long overdue is and end to the historical revisionism that leads people who really don't know better to fly the flag. The same historical revisionism that allows it to be flown on government grounds. The same historical revisionism that leads people to think their "heritage" trumps the reality of both history and the lives lead by African Americans.
The flag was flown by those fighting to betray the United States so they could keep blacks in chains. It was revived to remind black Americans just who fucking runs the south. It's long, LONG fucking overdue to be recognized as such. How about the N word that has horrible connotations being used by our very own president this past weak on the radio. Our issues run deep these days. On a tablet not sure if source is correct here: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IR6UwAez8Ko So? Seriously, so what? How come black peopl can be offended by the flag, but not by the N word. They condone white people if they use it, but then use it freely. And now we get in trouble if we say African American instead of black. I'm having trouble keeping up with how to not offend people. The president saying the N word is endorsing that it is okay for blacks to say it, yet if a white person said the word in that interview he/she would lose their job. Oh christ, we've got a wee one here. Black people have made n**** their own. Gay men call each other f****. Lesbians freely use the word dyke. And so on and so on. This is a pattern of the oppressed. They are allowed it. White people don't get to complain about it. Straights don't get to complain about it. Doing so is extremely childish and demonstrates no real understanding of what the demographics in question have gone through. It means something different coming from their own mouths. Deal with it. The point is southerners have made the confederate flag their own, you can't have it both ways. Yeah, they made it about racism when they started using it in the 50s. And what about the N word? Is that not rooted in racism? Oh my, we have a Very Clever Troll, everyone BEWARE If you think everyone who has a confederate flag is racist, you're a moron.
Racist or retarded. Pick your poison.
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On June 26 2015 09:21 Yergidy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2015 09:18 FHDH wrote:On June 26 2015 09:16 Yergidy wrote:On June 26 2015 09:13 Plansix wrote:On June 26 2015 09:12 Yergidy wrote:On June 26 2015 09:00 FHDH wrote:On June 26 2015 08:57 BisuDagger wrote:On June 26 2015 08:49 FHDH wrote:No, in society, we never have occasion to force a company to do something they don't want to do, like not dump waste into a river or sell internet bandwidth without throttling the connection when the user tries to stream Netflix. This is cute. What is it you're suggesting? Just go ahead and say it. On June 26 2015 08:49 BisuDagger wrote:On June 26 2015 08:42 FHDH wrote:
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Yes. Recognizing this as a symbol of hate you might not want to be associated with is long overdue.
What's even more overdue is the removal of things like the bust of Nathan Bedford Forrest from the Tennessee State House because "heritage." Of the removal of Jefferson Davis from the UT campus because "heritage." Removal of the banner from the flag of Mississippi, and getting rid of the "sons of the confederacy" license plates.
What's long overdue is and end to the historical revisionism that leads people who really don't know better to fly the flag. The same historical revisionism that allows it to be flown on government grounds. The same historical revisionism that leads people to think their "heritage" trumps the reality of both history and the lives lead by African Americans.
The flag was flown by those fighting to betray the United States so they could keep blacks in chains. It was revived to remind black Americans just who fucking runs the south. It's long, LONG fucking overdue to be recognized as such. How about the N word that has horrible connotations being used by our very own president this past weak on the radio. Our issues run deep these days. On a tablet not sure if source is correct here: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IR6UwAez8Ko So? Seriously, so what? How come black peopl can be offended by the flag, but not by the N word. They condone white people if they use it, but then use it freely. And now we get in trouble if we say African American instead of black. I'm having trouble keeping up with how to not offend people. The president saying the N word is endorsing that it is okay for blacks to say it, yet if a white person said the word in that interview he/she would lose their job. Oh christ, we've got a wee one here. Black people have made n**** their own. Gay men call each other f****. Lesbians freely use the word dyke. And so on and so on. This is a pattern of the oppressed. They are allowed it. White people don't get to complain about it. Straights don't get to complain about it. Doing so is extremely childish and demonstrates no real understanding of what the demographics in question have gone through. It means something different coming from their own mouths. Deal with it. The point is southerners have made the confederate flag their own, you can't have it both ways. Yeah, they made it about racism when they started using it in the 50s. And what about the N word? Is that not rooted in racism? Oh my, we have a Very Clever Troll, everyone BEWARE If you think everyone who has a confederate flag is racist, you're a moron.
What did I tell you kids about your goddamned straw fights? TAKE IT OUTSIDE.
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On June 26 2015 09:21 OuchyDathurts wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2015 09:21 Yergidy wrote:On June 26 2015 09:18 FHDH wrote:On June 26 2015 09:16 Yergidy wrote:On June 26 2015 09:13 Plansix wrote:On June 26 2015 09:12 Yergidy wrote:On June 26 2015 09:00 FHDH wrote:On June 26 2015 08:57 BisuDagger wrote:On June 26 2015 08:49 FHDH wrote:No, in society, we never have occasion to force a company to do something they don't want to do, like not dump waste into a river or sell internet bandwidth without throttling the connection when the user tries to stream Netflix. This is cute. What is it you're suggesting? Just go ahead and say it. On June 26 2015 08:49 BisuDagger wrote:[quote] How about the N word that has horrible connotations being used by our very own president this past weak on the radio. Our issues run deep these days. On a tablet not sure if source is correct here: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IR6UwAez8Ko So? Seriously, so what? How come black peopl can be offended by the flag, but not by the N word. They condone white people if they use it, but then use it freely. And now we get in trouble if we say African American instead of black. I'm having trouble keeping up with how to not offend people. The president saying the N word is endorsing that it is okay for blacks to say it, yet if a white person said the word in that interview he/she would lose their job. Oh christ, we've got a wee one here. Black people have made n**** their own. Gay men call each other f****. Lesbians freely use the word dyke. And so on and so on. This is a pattern of the oppressed. They are allowed it. White people don't get to complain about it. Straights don't get to complain about it. Doing so is extremely childish and demonstrates no real understanding of what the demographics in question have gone through. It means something different coming from their own mouths. Deal with it. The point is southerners have made the confederate flag their own, you can't have it both ways. Yeah, they made it about racism when they started using it in the 50s. And what about the N word? Is that not rooted in racism? Oh my, we have a Very Clever Troll, everyone BEWARE If you think everyone who has a confederate flag is racist, you're a moron. Racist or retarded. Pick your poison.
Or proud of their heritage as a southern state? Oh, sorry that's only for blacks.
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On June 26 2015 09:22 Yergidy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2015 09:21 OuchyDathurts wrote:On June 26 2015 09:21 Yergidy wrote:On June 26 2015 09:18 FHDH wrote:On June 26 2015 09:16 Yergidy wrote:On June 26 2015 09:13 Plansix wrote:On June 26 2015 09:12 Yergidy wrote:On June 26 2015 09:00 FHDH wrote:On June 26 2015 08:57 BisuDagger wrote:On June 26 2015 08:49 FHDH wrote:
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This is cute. What is it you're suggesting? Just go ahead and say it.
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So? Seriously, so what? How come black peopl can be offended by the flag, but not by the N word. They condone white people if they use it, but then use it freely. And now we get in trouble if we say African American instead of black. I'm having trouble keeping up with how to not offend people. The president saying the N word is endorsing that it is okay for blacks to say it, yet if a white person said the word in that interview he/she would lose their job. Oh christ, we've got a wee one here. Black people have made n**** their own. Gay men call each other f****. Lesbians freely use the word dyke. And so on and so on. This is a pattern of the oppressed. They are allowed it. White people don't get to complain about it. Straights don't get to complain about it. Doing so is extremely childish and demonstrates no real understanding of what the demographics in question have gone through. It means something different coming from their own mouths. Deal with it. The point is southerners have made the confederate flag their own, you can't have it both ways. Yeah, they made it about racism when they started using it in the 50s. And what about the N word? Is that not rooted in racism? Oh my, we have a Very Clever Troll, everyone BEWARE If you think everyone who has a confederate flag is racist, you're a moron. Racist or retarded. Pick your poison. Or proud of their heritage as a southern state? Oh, sorry that's only for blacks.
No, I'm afraid there are only 2 options and I gave them to you.
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On June 26 2015 09:22 Yergidy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2015 09:21 OuchyDathurts wrote:On June 26 2015 09:21 Yergidy wrote:On June 26 2015 09:18 FHDH wrote:On June 26 2015 09:16 Yergidy wrote:On June 26 2015 09:13 Plansix wrote:On June 26 2015 09:12 Yergidy wrote:On June 26 2015 09:00 FHDH wrote:On June 26 2015 08:57 BisuDagger wrote:On June 26 2015 08:49 FHDH wrote:
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This is cute. What is it you're suggesting? Just go ahead and say it.
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So? Seriously, so what? How come black peopl can be offended by the flag, but not by the N word. They condone white people if they use it, but then use it freely. And now we get in trouble if we say African American instead of black. I'm having trouble keeping up with how to not offend people. The president saying the N word is endorsing that it is okay for blacks to say it, yet if a white person said the word in that interview he/she would lose their job. Oh christ, we've got a wee one here. Black people have made n**** their own. Gay men call each other f****. Lesbians freely use the word dyke. And so on and so on. This is a pattern of the oppressed. They are allowed it. White people don't get to complain about it. Straights don't get to complain about it. Doing so is extremely childish and demonstrates no real understanding of what the demographics in question have gone through. It means something different coming from their own mouths. Deal with it. The point is southerners have made the confederate flag their own, you can't have it both ways. Yeah, they made it about racism when they started using it in the 50s. And what about the N word? Is that not rooted in racism? Oh my, we have a Very Clever Troll, everyone BEWARE If you think everyone who has a confederate flag is racist, you're a moron. Racist or retarded. Pick your poison. Or proud of their heritage as a southern state? Oh, sorry that's only for blacks.
A fine heritage to be proud of. "Remember when we turned against our country to keep slaves? YAWWWW"
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On June 26 2015 09:22 Yergidy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2015 09:21 OuchyDathurts wrote:On June 26 2015 09:21 Yergidy wrote:On June 26 2015 09:18 FHDH wrote:On June 26 2015 09:16 Yergidy wrote:On June 26 2015 09:13 Plansix wrote:On June 26 2015 09:12 Yergidy wrote:On June 26 2015 09:00 FHDH wrote:On June 26 2015 08:57 BisuDagger wrote:On June 26 2015 08:49 FHDH wrote:
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This is cute. What is it you're suggesting? Just go ahead and say it.
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So? Seriously, so what? How come black peopl can be offended by the flag, but not by the N word. They condone white people if they use it, but then use it freely. And now we get in trouble if we say African American instead of black. I'm having trouble keeping up with how to not offend people. The president saying the N word is endorsing that it is okay for blacks to say it, yet if a white person said the word in that interview he/she would lose their job. Oh christ, we've got a wee one here. Black people have made n**** their own. Gay men call each other f****. Lesbians freely use the word dyke. And so on and so on. This is a pattern of the oppressed. They are allowed it. White people don't get to complain about it. Straights don't get to complain about it. Doing so is extremely childish and demonstrates no real understanding of what the demographics in question have gone through. It means something different coming from their own mouths. Deal with it. The point is southerners have made the confederate flag their own, you can't have it both ways. Yeah, they made it about racism when they started using it in the 50s. And what about the N word? Is that not rooted in racism? Oh my, we have a Very Clever Troll, everyone BEWARE If you think everyone who has a confederate flag is racist, you're a moron. Racist or retarded. Pick your poison. Or proud of their heritage as a southern state? Oh, sorry that's only for blacks.
Proud of their racist or otherwise bigoted heritage?
No, not everyone who has one is a racist. They're just ignorant. That flag means racism. Trying to separate that flag from its racist connotations is like trying to separate the Nazi flag from its hateful connotations just because the Nazi party also had an anti-Communist political platform.
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I am not pro-confederate flag, I am anti-censorship.
I do not like seeing the confederate flag, and that particular one (out of the many used during the civil war) came into popularity during the civil rights movement, but that does not mean it is inherently racist. inherently anti-american, yes, but people are free to crap on the united states.
do not applaud censorship, shame on you.
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On June 26 2015 09:29 valium wrote:
I am not pro-confederate flag, I am anti-censorship.
I do not like seeing the confederate flag, and that particular one (out of the many used during the civil war) came into popularity during the civil rights movement, but that does not mean it is inherently racist. inherently anti-american, yes, but people are free to crap on the united states.
do not applaud censorship, shame on you.
who is being censored?
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Educate yourselves.
Yeah not a lot of 'heritage' to that flag. The group which used it the most was the KKK. You can argue what you want, but is not the flag of the confederacy, in fact the majority of confederate troops never used it.
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On June 26 2015 09:21 Yergidy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2015 09:18 FHDH wrote:On June 26 2015 09:16 Yergidy wrote:On June 26 2015 09:13 Plansix wrote:On June 26 2015 09:12 Yergidy wrote:On June 26 2015 09:00 FHDH wrote:On June 26 2015 08:57 BisuDagger wrote:On June 26 2015 08:49 FHDH wrote:No, in society, we never have occasion to force a company to do something they don't want to do, like not dump waste into a river or sell internet bandwidth without throttling the connection when the user tries to stream Netflix. This is cute. What is it you're suggesting? Just go ahead and say it. On June 26 2015 08:49 BisuDagger wrote:On June 26 2015 08:42 FHDH wrote:
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Yes. Recognizing this as a symbol of hate you might not want to be associated with is long overdue.
What's even more overdue is the removal of things like the bust of Nathan Bedford Forrest from the Tennessee State House because "heritage." Of the removal of Jefferson Davis from the UT campus because "heritage." Removal of the banner from the flag of Mississippi, and getting rid of the "sons of the confederacy" license plates.
What's long overdue is and end to the historical revisionism that leads people who really don't know better to fly the flag. The same historical revisionism that allows it to be flown on government grounds. The same historical revisionism that leads people to think their "heritage" trumps the reality of both history and the lives lead by African Americans.
The flag was flown by those fighting to betray the United States so they could keep blacks in chains. It was revived to remind black Americans just who fucking runs the south. It's long, LONG fucking overdue to be recognized as such. How about the N word that has horrible connotations being used by our very own president this past weak on the radio. Our issues run deep these days. On a tablet not sure if source is correct here: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IR6UwAez8Ko So? Seriously, so what? How come black peopl can be offended by the flag, but not by the N word. They condone white people if they use it, but then use it freely. And now we get in trouble if we say African American instead of black. I'm having trouble keeping up with how to not offend people. The president saying the N word is endorsing that it is okay for blacks to say it, yet if a white person said the word in that interview he/she would lose their job. Oh christ, we've got a wee one here. Black people have made n**** their own. Gay men call each other f****. Lesbians freely use the word dyke. And so on and so on. This is a pattern of the oppressed. They are allowed it. White people don't get to complain about it. Straights don't get to complain about it. Doing so is extremely childish and demonstrates no real understanding of what the demographics in question have gone through. It means something different coming from their own mouths. Deal with it. The point is southerners have made the confederate flag their own, you can't have it both ways. Yeah, they made it about racism when they started using it in the 50s. And what about the N word? Is that not rooted in racism? Oh my, we have a Very Clever Troll, everyone BEWARE If you think everyone who has a confederate flag is racist, you're a moron.
Agreed, just like everyone who has a Nazi flag isn't antisemitic.
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I don't see why its such a big deal? Its not like its impossible to go get a flag if your that attached to the stupid thing. Big companies deciding they don't want to deal with the head ache and deciding to drop products that have the symbol doesn't mean its banned or that no one can ever get one again.
I agree that Apple is taking it too far with the games thing (lol) but seriously? Its not impacting ANYONE in any meaningful way. Oh so you can't pick up your "southern pride" shit at Walmart anymore, find an alternative.
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I had a big rant written up here in response to the PC bit, but suffice to say I was just beginning to ramble.
It is bullshit, utter bullshit, and is the road to the government telling which thoughts and expressions are off-limits based on their perceived intents. For instance, in the UK, they can limit your right to free expression regarding racist comments, supporting terrorist ideals (which are defined arbitrarily by who's on what side of what) or radicals, advocating the abolishment of the monarchy, etc. Anything "indecent or grossly offensive." Not that I support any of those things, but I definitely am not cool with a government telling me I can't think or say such things. That's pretty big breach of personal freedom.
As for the stores pulling the flags, whatever. In the short run they will only hurt themselves because the fiasco is skyrocketing the demand for such merchandise, and in the long run it won't amount to much either way until the generational disparity resolves itself when all the older racists and bigots die off.
For the flag itself, Zasz pretty much sums up how I feel as well:
My take is that people who claim the Confederate flag is nothing but a symbol of Southern pride and patriotism are either lying to themselves or everyone else. The battle flag wasn't even used very much by the Confederacy, and was only proudly put on display as a response to the civil rights movement in the 1960's, so claiming that flying it is some sort of tribute to your ancestors is laughable, unless those ancestors were racist. There is no excuse for it to be flying over government buildings or in public spaces, because it is the symbol of a nation that rebelled against the United States and lost. I cannot think of any country in the world that proudly displays symbols associated with a rebellious faction 150 years after that faction was put down.
However, it is a person's right to display this flag on their property, and if they want to do so they need to be able to get it somewhere. In the same vein, it is a business' right to carry Confederacy memorabilia, and they did so right up until it no longer benefit them from a financial and PR standpoint. I think the flag is fine on war monuments and in historical contexts, because removing it from those contexts is bordering on revisionist history and I'd rather not people forget the Civil War. But there is a fine line between showing and depicting Civil War imagery and endorsing the Confederacy. Fine enough that I think it is inappropriate to claim that war memorials or historical depictions of the flag are racist.
Also, Apple removing all Civil War games due to their depiction of the flag is ridiculous. US History is important, and the Confederacy is a part of our history whether we like it or not, just like slavery, the trail of tears, Japanese internment, and the atomic bomb. Games that simulate the Civil War or depict that part of US History should not be prohibited from depicting something as simple as a flag, unless that symbol is used in an active endorsement of slavery or racism.
Except for this:
A spade is a spade. Apparently, it would be PC to let South Carolina continue to fly it on government property without calling the symbol what it is.
I mean, would you, or anybody else personally opinionated on the issue of the flag, feel better if the government of South Carolina outright admitted that the flag was a display of pride in racist heritage and then flew the flag anyway? Probably not. They aren't attacking just the right to fly it on the capitol building (or any government building), they're attacking the right to fly it at all as an expression. That's my only problem with the debate. Much as conservative southerners are hiding behind the historical aspect of the flag to deny racist connotations it invokes, the other side won't freely admit that they just don't want people to have the freedom to be racist or bigoted on a personal level if they so choose. Taking it off the capitol is a start, perhaps, but shouldn't be anything on the law books until some kind of corroborative consensus between both parties can be reached about what the flag stands for, as BOTH interpretations are true at the same time.
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Oh, and for those that still want to argue that the Civil War wasn't about slavery,
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_missec.asp
And I quote,
Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.
Mississippi's entire Declaration of Secession was about slavery. They even said that the Founding Fathers seceded from England for a lesser cause than the preservation of slavery. Yes. It is in there. Read it. Apparently preserving slavery is more important than what the American Revolution was fought over.
Here's Georgia and South Carolina, too.
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_geosec.asp
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_scarsec.asp
This entire war was about keeping black people as slaves. This flag is a battle flag from that war that was flown by the Confederates that were trying to keep slaves.
And no, bringing down Confederate flags from public grounds isn't revisionist history. Hell, they could tear down the monuments and it wouldn't be. That's not revising anything, it's just choosing not to glorify something. Under the train of logic that the South should "honor their dead" and "give respect to those that died for a cause that they believed in", should the Germans start erecting statues of prominent Nazis and flying Nazi flags in those individuals' hometowns?
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