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SoSexy
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SpiZe
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Living the dream boys | ||
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BallinWitStalin
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Bah well. I'll keep you posted on my line experience. The worst part is that I can't get a babysitter so I have to drag my 1 year old daughter with me. Entertaining her in a voting line up for 1-2 hours minimum is not gonna be fun.... | ||
Chill
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SpiZe
Canada3640 Posts
Not even their fault, it's the law... | ||
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OmniEulogy
Canada6600 Posts
On October 19 2015 22:26 BallinWitStalin wrote: Haha, going to go vote in a couple of hours for a candidate I know is unlikely to win. Bah well. I'll keep you posted on my line experience. The worst part is that I can't get a babysitter so I have to drag my 1 year old daughter with me. Entertaining her in a voting line up for 1-2 hours minimum is not gonna be fun....  I just went and only had one person ahead of me. I guess I'm lucky to live in a town with only 30k people you never need to wait very long in a line for anything xD even Service Canada only takes like an hour at the worst of times lolHope you get through faster than expected  | ||
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BallinWitStalin
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On another forum, someone said: When it comes to Quebec and separation, the REST of Canada should be voting whether the ######s get to STAY. How many people feel like that? It makes me sad... It's as if people think Quebec has wanted to separate in a vacuum and it's completely uncalled for. And then we see these types of comments. How are we supposed to react to these types of opinions being uttered? I've wanted Quebec to be independent, I still kind of do. I'm conflicted about it because every once in a while I think collaboration might be possible and then I see these kinds of opinions, and they get a lot of support, people are like "yeah fuck Quebec they want to secede and they're racists so fuck them" and it kicks me right back to my belief that maybe there's just no possible way we'll cooperate. And I want to separate, barring the economic cost of doing so, not because I hate Canada, but because I think we're different enough that I feel like I my opinions and my interests would be better represented if I didn't share a federal government with Alberta and the likes. And it's not that different opinions are bad. Different is fine. But we obviously can't get along. It's just, it doesn't help, the heinous way in which my province is represented across the rest of Canada. And while I'm sure most of the time those who express their opinions get told off, sometimes it just passes as matter of fact, yeah Quebecers are racist assholes and that's it. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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Djzapz
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On October 20 2015 05:39 JimmyJRaynor wrote: is quebec signed onto the constitution ? Do you have more acute observations to formulate as questions? | ||
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
On October 20 2015 05:30 Djzapz wrote: This is a bit off topic but heh, I've got you Canadian folks here. On another forum, someone said: How many people feel like that? It makes me sad... It's as if people think Quebec has wanted to separate in a vacuum and it's completely uncalled for. And then we see these types of comments. How are we supposed to react to these types of opinions being uttered? I've wanted Quebec to be independent, I still kind of do. I'm conflicted about it because every once in a while I think collaboration might be possible and then I see these kinds of opinions, and they get a lot of support, people are like "yeah fuck Quebec they want to secede and they're racists so fuck them" and it kicks me right back to my belief that maybe there's just no possible way we'll cooperate. And I want to separate, barring the economic cost of doing so, not because I hate Canada, but because I think we're different enough that I feel like I my opinions and my interests would be better represented if I didn't share a federal government with Alberta and the likes. And it's not that different opinions are bad. Different is fine. But we obviously can't get along. It's just, it doesn't help, the heinous way in which my province is represented across the rest of Canada. And while I'm sure most of the time those who express their opinions get told off, sometimes it just passes as matter of fact, yeah Quebecers are racist assholes and that's it. I'd vote to kick Quebec out if given the chance. If you aren't from there you are third class citizen with zero rights. English speakers can't get jobs in trade unions but holy fuck would there be a massive up roar is Alberta chose to not allow Quebecois into the unions. Its a province of self centered needy hypocrites. People get mad because some NHL players don't speak French ffs!!! If Quebec separated, the loss of Montreal would sting a bit but the money we don't give you would help heal the pain | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On October 20 2015 05:46 Orcasgt24 wrote: I'd vote to kick Quebec out if given the chance. If you aren't from there you are third class citizen with zero rights. English speakers can't get jobs in trade unions but holy fuck would there be a massive up roar is Alberta chose to not allow Quebecois into the unions. Its a province of self centered needy hypocrites. People get mad because some NHL players don't speak French ffs!!! If Quebec separated, the loss of Montreal would sting a bit but the money we don't give you would help heal the pain What would you say of all the people who have had completely difference experiences? I mean, we certainly have bad apples, but there are plenty of English-speaking Canadians who have came here for trips, others have stayed for years without incident and have loved living in Quebec. The idea that "if you aren't from there you are a third class citizen with zero rights" is by no means representative, in any way, of the norms around here. And English-speakers are employed just fine, granted it's harder just like it's harder for French-only speakers to get employed because speaking the local language happens to be a perk. You say it's a province of self-centered needy hypocrites, despite the fact that many of us simply aren't. The heinous tone with which you guys speak your mind about these things makes me think it's not so much a rational response but an emotional one. The horrible words with which Quebecers are described, probably by you when you're in private, and publicly by others, are incredible. How do you expect people to respect when they're called "self centered needy hypocrites" on a GOOD DAY. They behave exactly like you'd expect, they get angry because they don't think that represents them - and as a self-fulfilling prophecy, they start acting up. Are you really surprised?! Personally that's what bothers me. The broad generalizations and the hatred. Where I'm able to compartmentalize what you're saying and I realize that you don't represent Canada's opinion of Quebec, you seem to be unable to do the same for me. And so you generalize. The thing is, it's becoming progressively clear that there are many people like yourself. I don't know how many, but there's more than I thought. And so my question to you is, how can we be blamed for wanting to secede when you people dislike us so much? Why are you so angry about us wanting to leave if you yourself express that you want us to leave? It seems like you should be fine. Logically it should be an amicable good bye. But you insist on being harsh and rude about it. There is nothing rational or reasonable here. Just fucking hate. | ||
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Cricketer12
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Orcasgt24
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On October 20 2015 05:50 Djzapz wrote: What would you say of all the people who have had completely difference experiences? I mean, we certainly have bad apples, but there are plenty of English-speaking Canadians who have came here for trips, others have stayed for years without incident and have loved living in Quebec. The idea that "if you aren't from there you are a third class citizen with zero rights" is by no means representative, in any way, of the norms around here. And English-speakers are employed just fine, granted it's harder just like it's harder for French-only speakers to get employed because speaking the local language happens to be a perk. You say it's a province of self-centered needy hypocrites, despite the fact that many of us simply aren't. The heinous tone with which you guys speak your mind about these things makes me think it's not so much a rational response but an emotional one. Quebec is a great place to go as a tourist. The third class citizen with no rights is built into your laws. Quebec comes first. Quebecois get jobs over non Quebecois. No french speaking, no job. Nowhere else in Canada could a law like that ever make it through the Supreme Court.. And its not harder for a french only speaker to get a job. In Fort Mac company's often end up being forced to hire french guys who can't speak english and get them to work with non french speaking crews. If they are lucky the foreman is bilingual. Usually isn't though. Your government is a representation of your people. And your government acts like self centered needy hypocrites. On October 20 2015 05:50 Djzapz wrote: Personally that's what bothers me. The broad generalizations and the hatred. Where I'm able to compartmentalize what you're saying and I realize that you don't represent Canada's opinion of Quebec, you seem to be unable to do the same for me. And so you generalize. The thing is, it's becoming progressively clear that there are many people like yourself. I don't know how many, but there's more than I thought. And so my question to you is, how can we be blamed for wanting to secede when you people dislike us so much? Why are you so angry about us wanting to leave if you yourself express that you want us to leave? It seems like you should be fine. Logically it should be an amicable good bye. But you insist on being harsh and rude about it. There is nothing rational or reasonable here. Just fucking hate. If the rest of Canad was allowed to vote today on whether to let Quebec separate or not I'd be shocked if less than 60% voted yes. I know my opinion is not a minority. At least not in Alberta. I think its hilarious that you want to leave Canada. It's a stupid idea that will cost your new country a shit load of money you will not have anymore. Staying in Canada grants you more than your fair share of Parliament seats, more than your fair share of government funding, a pile of laws that are for all intents and purposes, are in existence purely because Quebec is in Canada and many other perks. It goes back to the self centered thing. You get all these great benefits and cry "I want more". No one blames you for wanting to leave. We laugh at the thought and I think are ready to hold the door open. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On October 20 2015 06:02 Orcasgt24 wrote: Quebec is a great place to go as a tourist. The third class citizen with no rights is built into your laws. Quebec comes first. Quebecois get jobs over non Quebecois. No french speaking, no job. Nowhere else in Canada could a law like that ever make it through the Supreme Court.. And its not harder for a french only speaker to get a job. In Fort Mac company's often end up being forced to hire french guys who can't speak english and get them to work with non french speaking crews. If they are lucky the foreman is bilingual. Usually isn't though. Your government is a representation of your people. And your government acts like self centered needy hypocrites. I don't think your idea of Quebec is really representative of reality. You've probably heard too many stories, because I know there's truth to it. But not enough to warrant your comments. If the rest of Canad was allowed to vote today on whether to let Quebec separate or not I'd be shocked if less than 60% voted yes. I know my opinion is not a minority. At least not in Alberta. I think its hilarious that you want to leave Canada. It's a stupid idea that will cost your new country a shit load of money you will not have anymore. Staying in Canada grants you more than your fair share of Parliament seats, more than your fair share of government funding, a pile of laws that are for all intents and purposes, are in existence purely because Quebec is in Canada and many other perks. It goes back to the self centered thing. You get all these great benefits and cry "I want more". No one blames you for wanting to leave. We laugh at the thought and I think are ready to hold the door open. It's not about wanting more, most people here recognize the tangible benefits. But then there's you. Life and nationality is not about money. It's also about these other things. Like not being so hated that people would want you to leave. If you're right in saying that maybe 60% of people would vote to kick Quebec out of the union, I think it's understandable that people here would complain about feeling like they don't belong, and would ask for more resources from the rest of Canada... Like every province does. I mean that last part, about crying "I want more" is a thing that every province does in the first place... And cities, too. Everyone fights for the resources. Cities want the resources of the provinces, provinces want the resources of the fed. And yes, perhaps Quebec has more of a complex in that regard, but you can just look at the history of the province to understand where it stems from. It was just a few months ago that my buddy from Saskatchewan was assuring me, and perhaps it was naive of me to believe him, that the silent majority thought positively of Quebec, and that it was widely understood that there are bad people on both sides of the "fence" making for a disproportionately negative perception of the issues on both sides. The horror stories get a lot of publicity. I think there's probably a bit of truth to it. Both Quebec and the rest of Canada like to blow the negative things out of proportions. Part of me likes to think you're a minority and you feel like you're part of the majority because people around you support your views. But I think folks in Ontario and in BC probably mostly feel differently. I hope so, anyway. | ||
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Yaqoob
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17442 Posts
On October 20 2015 05:42 Djzapz wrote: Do you have more acute observations to formulate as questions? dp you attack people who ask straightforward questions? i know there have been attempts to get them in... i'm not up on my quebec federalism.... which is a topic that oculd fill 2 history courses at least. s quebec signed onto the constitution ? here is the latest. http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/tom-kott/quebec-sign-constitution_b_2912488.html my family's opinions mirror that of the polls cited in the article. .. 1/2 my family is in montreal so i thought it had been signed. hence the question... but hey, thanks for nothing i just looked it up myself. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On October 20 2015 06:42 JimmyJRaynor wrote: dp you attack people who ask straightforward questions? i know there have been attempts to get them in... i'm not up on my quebec federalism.... which is a topic that oculd fill 2 history courses at least. s quebec signed onto the constitution ? here is the latest. http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/tom-kott/quebec-sign-constitution_b_2912488.html JJR you know that Quebec never signed the constitution that was slipped under its feet arguably illegally in 1982, it was not a straightforward question, it was patently rhetorical. I think more of you than to think you were legitimately wondering something that is common knowledge or easily researcheable. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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so if u read it you should know what i know. i added the stuff about my family's opinion about 10 seconds after you posted... which is why i thought they might be in by now. i'm not walking on eggshells waiting for quebec to sign.. so i didn't know. no need for the attack... but if u like to run around acting offended. have fun! | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On October 20 2015 06:49 JimmyJRaynor wrote: the link provided shows i did just that. i added the stuff about my family's opinion.. which is why i thought they might be in by now. no need for the attack... but if u like to run around acting offended. have fun! I didn't feel like I attacked you, I asked a question and you answered with a rhetorical question, I still don't know where you're going with it. | ||
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