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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 13 2015 00:29 GMT
#321
With just one week to go before the national election, Canada’s Liberal Party is gathering steam, as the country enters the final stretch in what has been the longest election campaign in its modern history.

Polls indicate the Liberal party, which despite election losses spanning the past decade has long considered itself to be Canada’s “natural governing party” , is now within reach of an electoral win.

Greg Lyle, a pollster at Innovative Research, said the traditionally centrist party successfully tapped into many of the voters that had abandoned them over the last three elections. The party is now running neck-and-neck with the incumbent Conservative Party, if not slightly ahead according to some polls.


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FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9858 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-13 03:11:40
October 13 2015 00:58 GMT
#322
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Yep, looking good for the Liberals. I'll reply to BallinWitStalin points later, but atm:

Agree with: 1,3,4,9,10
Controversial: 2,6,7,12
Disagree: 5,8,11,13

Just want to also add, I don't think it's really fair to measure emission on a per capita basis. Canada emits 1/6th of the emissions of India, yet our land mass is way bigger. One of the most simple ways to promote sustainability is by population control (obviously it's easier for Canada, but we could just as easily accept more immigrants or offer larger benefits to families having children to grow the economy)... If Canada manages its population, why should we spend so much on reducing emissions? Canada's air quality is way superior to essentially any Asian country, and most European countries as well.

I know it's a different perspective than most are used to, but living in Calgary, the quality of our air and forests, lakes, etc is great. You go to Shanghai or Beijing, or even London... lol. Doing per capita emission is kind of silly, because our planet can handle only so much emissions (and that is a fixed amount), and the land mass of the world is a fixed amount (more or less), so shouldn't we fix emissions to land mass, and not population, which is a constantly changing number?

If China doubles its population, should it produce twice as much emissions? No, if we set limits, it should produce half as much emissions per capita.

edit: I'm not saying not to promote cheap solutions to reduce emissions, but I'm suggesting that we don't need as aggressive of a strategy as many are suggesting.

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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16664 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-13 02:31:59
October 13 2015 02:25 GMT
#323
In this shocking turn of events the Toronto Star has officially endorsed Liberal leader Justin Trudeau for Prime Minister.

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorials/2015/10/09/for-justin-trudeau-and-the-liberal-party-editorial.html

this is pretty good...Justin's old man never let this happen.

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Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
October 13 2015 16:13 GMT
#324
Yeah, the polls are definitely trending more and more toward the Liberals winning at least a minority. I can't say my feelings are hurt by that.

Also, the Conservatives must have saved half their ad budget for the last week of the campaign. I saw no less than 3 different Conservative attack ads during a single commercial break while watching the news this evening. Almost every break had at least 1, if not 2. Not to mention there are those ads relentlessly on every channel right now.

One of my friends funnily said that if the Conservatives keep it up with this onslaught of attack ads on Trudeau as they are, people will get so fed up with them that they'll vote Liberal just to spite the Conservatives for annoying them so much.
"Cliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide" -Tastosis
Vin{MBL}
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
5185 Posts
October 13 2015 17:09 GMT
#325
On October 12 2015 02:56 JimmyJRaynor wrote:


Trudeau is not smart enough
Based upon Trudeau's weak-sauce educational background; Based on his speeches and actions from the age of 18 on.. he looks like he is of somewhat above average intelligence; that is not good enough ; its good enough to be an X-Ray Technician, but not PM. Both Mulcair and Harper are really fucking smart guys.



You don't need to be smart to be a good leader. You just have to be able to motivate smart people who work for you.
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9858 Posts
October 13 2015 17:36 GMT
#326
On October 14 2015 01:13 Ben... wrote:
Yeah, the polls are definitely trending more and more toward the Liberals winning at least a minority. I can't say my feelings are hurt by that.

Also, the Conservatives must have saved half their ad budget for the last week of the campaign. I saw no less than 3 different Conservative attack ads during a single commercial break while watching the news this evening. Almost every break had at least 1, if not 2. Not to mention there are those ads relentlessly on every channel right now.

One of my friends funnily said that if the Conservatives keep it up with this onslaught of attack ads on Trudeau as they are, people will get so fed up with them that they'll vote Liberal just to spite the Conservatives for annoying them so much.


Yep, and remember, since 1988, all majorities had a popular vote of 36.5% and 43% (1984 had a massive 50% of the popular vote), and as such... It'll be very possible for the Liberals to secure one too if the polls and the trends are any indication (which I'd prefer to either a minority liberal or conservative government).
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16664 Posts
October 13 2015 18:17 GMT
#327
On October 14 2015 02:09 Vin{MBL} wrote:
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On October 12 2015 02:56 JimmyJRaynor wrote:


Trudeau is not smart enough
Based upon Trudeau's weak-sauce educational background; Based on his speeches and actions from the age of 18 on.. he looks like he is of somewhat above average intelligence; that is not good enough ; its good enough to be an X-Ray Technician, but not PM. Both Mulcair and Harper are really fucking smart guys.



You don't need to be smart to be a good leader. You just have to be able to motivate smart people who work for you.

Trudeau is better than Dion ... but that ain't sayin' much.
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16664 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-14 21:23:13
October 14 2015 20:59 GMT
#328
Holy Fuck!!!.
Hazel Mccallion is endorsing the Liberals and Trudeau in TV ads...
genius move by the Liberals.
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Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
October 14 2015 21:52 GMT
#329
haaah RIck Mercer..

JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16664 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-14 22:20:28
October 14 2015 22:14 GMT
#330
the GG might as well swear Trudeau in now



to get a small (c) Conservative like Mccallion on their side.. i got no idea how the PC's recover from this.

this bullet has been in the chamber for a long time and i think the Liberals chose the exact perfect time to finally pull the trigger.

excellent strategizing by the liberals.
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Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
October 14 2015 22:38 GMT
#331
I think the Liberals are being incredibly smart by targeting the small c conservatives at this stage. They've already wooed many progressives away from the NDP so going after one of the other groups most disillusioned with Harper (conservatives who feel that Harper's extreme brand of conservatism doesn't suite them) at this stage is genius. Danny Williams already worked his magic in the east so to get another incredibly popular conservative to vocally go against Harper is just going to help the Liberals even more.
"Cliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide" -Tastosis
BallinWitStalin
Profile Joined July 2008
1177 Posts
October 14 2015 23:56 GMT
#332
On October 15 2015 07:38 Ben... wrote:
I think the Liberals are being incredibly smart by targeting the small c conservatives at this stage. They've already wooed many progressives away from the NDP so going after one of the other groups most disillusioned with Harper (conservatives who feel that Harper's extreme brand of conservatism doesn't suite them) at this stage is genius. Danny Williams already worked his magic in the east so to get another incredibly popular conservative to vocally go against Harper is just going to help the Liberals even more.


Everybody from the east hates harper anyways, the only reason he even had seats out there was because of popular local MPs like Peter Mackay and Gerald Keddy.

Seriously, I think that's part of the reason they jumped ship. Everyone hates Harper so bad right now out East that even if they had really electable candidates I think they'd probably still lose pretty badly.
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Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
October 15 2015 01:31 GMT
#333
On October 14 2015 01:13 Ben... wrote:
Yeah, the polls are definitely trending more and more toward the Liberals winning at least a minority. I can't say my feelings are hurt by that.

Also, the Conservatives must have saved half their ad budget for the last week of the campaign. I saw no less than 3 different Conservative attack ads during a single commercial break while watching the news this evening. Almost every break had at least 1, if not 2. Not to mention there are those ads relentlessly on every channel right now.

One of my friends funnily said that if the Conservatives keep it up with this onslaught of attack ads on Trudeau as they are, people will get so fed up with them that they'll vote Liberal just to spite the Conservatives for annoying them so much.

Yeah. I wish that happened haha. In american politics at least people may hate attack ads but they're statistically very effective.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16664 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-15 15:20:34
October 15 2015 15:19 GMT
#334
ratings for yesterday's Blue Jays game were through the rogers centre roof.
It was non-stop election ads and those Hurricane Hazel ads blew everyone else away.

its really clear Hazel greatly dislikes Harper and the Liberals waited until 5 days before the election to fire that bullet... damn.
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LegacyOfTheVoidUser1
Profile Joined October 2015
21 Posts
October 16 2015 06:59 GMT
#335
Trudeau is crushing in the polls and likely is going to form some sort of coalition government with Mulcair but we will see. The Libertarian Party of Canada is the only one that even remotely interests me and even they are too statist.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16664 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-16 16:00:32
October 16 2015 15:56 GMT
#336
i'm libertarian. i just pick the best candidate and balance that with how good my local person is and vote accordingly. the kind of change western civilization needs to embrace freedom and liberty won't happen at an election so don't waste your energy.

The Liberals break out Hazel on a giant ratings night

http://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/hurricane-hazel-steps-into-the-ring/



It'll be interesting to see if the PCs ever formulate a coherent reply to Mccallion's comments during any election campaign commercials.

i wonder how much Hazel we'll see during tonight's game. i'm thinking... LOTS.

I'll be watching both the game and the commercials with keen interest.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Tephus
Profile Joined May 2011
Cascadia1753 Posts
October 17 2015 07:46 GMT
#337
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That dang left wing media.
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16664 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-17 12:58:28
October 17 2015 12:54 GMT
#338
its pains me to say this... but with Rogers Communications and Bell basically owning every form of media in English Canada... the Toronto Star has become one of the few remaining independent voices.
The Star was the only ones that would use the "C" word when talking about James Reimer

Kathleen Wynne and Dalton Mcguinty have been an absolute unmitigated disaster running Ontario and the PCs attempted to tap into that by trying to link them to the Feds.

It features Wynne triumphantly proclaiming "We Need Trudeau as the next PM of this country"
The Liberal/Mccallion ad is 100 times more effective.


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radscorpion9
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada2252 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-18 16:36:49
October 18 2015 16:18 GMT
#339
Well the election is tomorrow. I just want to make my case here. In Canada we don't really have a real democracy under first past the post. Last time 60% of the people didn't vote for Harper and instead of getting some level of control that's reflective of their decisions, Harper was given a majority to do whatever he wants. Basically, 60% of Canadians (the majority) are being ignored in Canada directly because of first past the post. If that isn't a failure in the democratic system I don't know what is. So fundamentally this needs to change.

Well how to change it? Vote in the candidate that has been emphatic about getting rid of that system, and who has the best chance of winning. That just happens to be Trudeau and the liberal party.

I understand people have a lot of different views, many are libertarian and so on. Myself I tend to vote for the green party. But you really have to work on the fundamentals before anything else, and the fundamentals tragically don't yet exist in Canada. So lets at least get a basic democracy in place, then we can go on to voting for whoever we want.

edit: Well I guess the obvious exceptions are if your riding is highly likely to vote NDP just get NDP instead. But in ridings where its close I think liberal is better.

~Happy voting day~
-Radscorpion
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-18 17:14:34
October 18 2015 16:22 GMT
#340
On October 17 2015 16:46 Tephus wrote:
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That dang left wing media.

What constitutes endorsement though? I keep up with La Presse and I haven't seen a straight up endorsement of the conservatives.

Edit: Misread the chart.
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