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Vertig0
United States196 Posts
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Silvertine
United States509 Posts
On March 14 2012 14:13 ExcisionExecute wrote: shrooms makes me vomit. LSD is fun with friends scary when alone. weed is the greatest stress reliever. Who needs medical journals? | ||
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BreakfastBurrito
United States893 Posts
On March 14 2012 06:18 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote: except that mushrooms and LSD don't have medicinal value and weed does. Shrooms and LSD have been given to terminally ill patients (separately haha not both at once) and whatnot, you can google "oceanic boundlessness" I think the gist of it is that it helps them ;p | ||
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LtCalley
United States244 Posts
On March 08 2012 15:03 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote: I have never smoked and gone to work because my job involves a lot of interaction with people so they would notice. I have never laddered high for some reason. WTF is wrong with me. but ask yourself this, if you're always high around people how will they tell the difference? =/ i go in to work baked all the time, and my job involves constant interaction with people...my theory is, as long as you don't say you're high, how is anyone going to know? just don't let paranoia overtake you and you'll be fine around people. oh, and eyedrops also help | ||
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LtCalley
United States244 Posts
On March 13 2012 14:49 thrawn2112 wrote: go hit up dem bubbles ricky and julian they got all ya needs covered know'm say'n? i did a teamliquid search for "trailer park boys" and nothing came up. someone needs to get on that. | ||
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stokes17
United States1411 Posts
On March 14 2012 15:27 LtCalley wrote: i did a teamliquid search for "trailer park boys" and nothing came up. someone needs to get on that. J dawg and the ROCK PILE got what you need. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On March 14 2012 15:27 LtCalley wrote: i did a teamliquid search for "trailer park boys" and nothing came up. someone needs to get on that. Yeah that was also my first reaction... i would do it but im stoned and lazy | ||
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ElMacedonian
United States79 Posts
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EleanorRIgby
Canada3923 Posts
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On March 14 2012 15:27 LtCalley wrote: i did a teamliquid search for "trailer park boys" and nothing came up. someone needs to get on that. i got it | ||
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darkscream
Canada2310 Posts
"So stephano, what did you do for your birthday?" "well, i get drunk, i get high, it was good!" | ||
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NrG.Bamboo
United States2756 Posts
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On March 16 2012 10:39 Xiphos wrote: Fuck withdrawals.... da fuck u says | ||
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Failsafe
United States1298 Posts
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Failsafe
United States1298 Posts
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Failsafe
United States1298 Posts
they do in some places in the South, and that's why the people who use that LSD develop intractable psychosis it's curable now though, so that's good it's not that the modern LSD is bad, it should give you some awesome effects, it's just not LSD from the 60s which is what i took and didn't notice any effects. on the other hand, if you take LSD 60s style then you're probably gonna run into some problems unless you've done a great deal of spiritual work. cooking food with that old school LSD is a lot like turning your oven to beyond maximum setting, and then cooking a quarter of the time, and then eating what you get on the other hand it's been reported that some professor's wife cooks everything at room temperate about three times the time that it would take to cook otherwise i wouldn't bother trying to obtain LSD of any sort these days, mushrooms i'd try a relatively low dose with marijuana in good company with non-stressful surroundings probably something visually or entertaining to the auditory senses i have pretty low drug tolerance though so i can see people using mushrooms in higher doses, it's probably not dangerous long u don't go overboard, and there's no benefits to that imo | ||
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Failsafe
United States1298 Posts
pretty much i think the story with LSD is that there was the notion that it would be a good idea (a la traditional buddhist precept: get everyone enlightened) that if we could encapsulate the 9th jhana in a drug and then give it to everyone that everyone could be a buddha and we would all live happily ever after it turns out that there are a variety of different 'levels' or something that got omitted from the construction of that drug somehow, probably because it just wasn't a great idea in the first place and people were pushing too hard (and yeah it probably did see positive long term results, almost certainly, only those results weere bought at a high price). all this was probably motivated by world wars and other stuff related to international tensions and politicies so anyway we could fast-forward someone with acid to 'level 9' or whatever, and then that person would see some great spiritual benefits; however, at the same time it just doesn't work that way, in the senes that you can't just put enlightenment into a drug. so, unfortunately, it was the case that although a person taking acid might enjoy some rapid (and perhaps lasting spiritual benefits), to maintain the function of the brain and the personality and so forth, or essentially due to the fact of matter and its nature, it just wasn't possible to insta-enlighten people, and so there are consequences to taking the 60s acid. you enjoy some rapid benefits, at the cost of some sanity (or rather a lot of sanity, if you take enough acid) i guess the good news is that it worked, in the sense that it probably did save the planet in the long term perspective, because without acid and resulting other improvements in spiritual technology (including improvements to marijuana), then we probably would have destroyed ourselves in a lot of ways, or at least put ourselves on an inevitable course to destruction. so, while LSD should no longer be used, imo, it can't be said that it didn't achieve its goal. there was just a steep price to pay to create a drug that rapidly enlightened people (and had continued effects after the use of the drug was discontinued -- and that's probably why it was so dangerous psychologically, in that people who took acid had the effects of the drug continuing well after the substance was gone). so the danger is that the person can't return to 'reality' in the same sense that someone who takes weed returns to reality once the substance is clear of the body. it's true that both drugs will alter perception, the problem with LSD is that it alters perception in many ways, often without accompanying perspective and appreciation to why the perspective change is correct (or advantageous) it's something like 'well we can get you to the 9th jhana, however this is at the cost of a great deal of missing information from jhana 8th, and jhana 7th [and other omitted information that probably isn't numbered]) so that's why if you use spiritual vehicles, the wise approach is to use them one at a time (because if you combine them, you won't progress in a more rapid way) because you will be lacking information. and then when you attempt to make up the missing information, it will be perhaps very difficult if not impossible unless you have a very skilled spiritual instructor (in which case you don't need the combined effects anyway). my recommendation is that if you smoke weed you should just smoke weed, maybe accompany with a low dose of mushrooms very infrequently (no more than a few times a year, perhaps). it's better to progress slowly, and in the long run you will progress more quickly, than if you progress quickly at first and miss information. because then all your future progress will bear the hallmark of the missing information, and though you may progress very far, at some event your missing data will catch up to you, and prevent you making more progress without very skilled instruction. however, it is very possible to pursue your own spiritual education using substances: marijuana i don't particularly recommend mushroom since new strain of marijuana technology will be including most of the benefits with none of the 'costs' though there are not that many costs associated with judicious mushroom use you could also use meditation, however this is another approach that should never be combined with other spiritual technology; meditation is one of the oldest spiritual technology, and if you combine it with other technology, you will put yourself at great risk. it is very difficult to recover someone who uses marijuana and meditation (much less other drugs also); though you may see some interesting sights, you will find yourself quite without direction; the compression effect of the two technologies together will not heal the mind or cleanse you of the ego, the goal of a wise spiritual practice. meditation (and some strains of cannabis [which should not be sold any more]), being such an old technology, is a technology characterized by all the dangers that were engaged in the first spiritual work. if meditation is pursued, it should be pursued by itself and not in the influence of marijuana. i have yet to encounter someone who used marijuana in conjunction with meditation to long term positive effects unless they were already very skilled in spiritual practice. alternatively, it is very easy, because of the potent nature of modern marijuana and the potent nature of meditation, to combine marijuana and enhance meditation's 'compression' effect. however, this does not achieve the desired cleansing of the psyche and cleansing of the ego that is the true goal of spiritual practice (meditation and marijuana). indeed, the use of both marijuana and meditation together, or also too much meditation without other activity, will compress the ego into the spiritual foundation of the practicioner, and also compress the unhealthy psyche into the spiritual foundation of the practicioner, this will be very difficult to remove later, and is the most probable way to lead yourself in a 'dark' direction, which is to say to become consumed in spiritual materialism, attachment, delusion (which is very much a real obstacle to all spiritual practicioners) so the wise course of action is to enjoy marijuana, not to excess hopefully (if you are tired or unable to focus it is not always a good idea to smoke more weed and 'power through' or 'increase focus'). this overexhaustion of the mind, supported by weed, is another way to err in spiritual practice. modern weed is a very potent substance, but it isn't a fully functional compass, it is quite possible to err while using marijuana (especially if one is not sure of one's companions), and errors tend to rapidly become habitual (marijuana also bears the 'compression' nature of the meditation from which it is a fruit, of a sort) meditation also should not be over-practiced, no more than thirty minutes at a time, or an hour a day or so, unless you have a very skilled instructor. meditation is in some ways less corrective than marijuana, while in other ways it is faster, because it does not cause the practitioner to leave the normal state of consciousness quite so profoundly). the danger of over-meditating is that the ego, and the scars of the psyche, and the attachments, which you should be attempting to free yourself from (this the goal of the spiritual practice), will be more and more compressed. you will sense them less, but that is not to say that they will not be active in your behavior. unfortunately, it is often those people who practice too much meditation, or meditation with marijuana who see impressive short term results, and yet are tragic cases because of just this cause. there is too much compression, which causes the action to weigh more heavily (in a sense there is more money behind the action, in future unrecognized value); and it is enhancing the negative effects of the present action, and leads to great suffering to the person (even moreso in some cases than a life without the introspective spiritual practice), because the person engaged in spiritual practice will begin to give more weight to their actions while their practice grows. however, the more weight does imply the more light in the action, or the more good that should come from it, unless the person is also purified in his ego-nature and free of the attachments and has patiently delved into his consciousness to extract his suffering. (and it is this that too much meditation will make very difficult) you will see in biographies of great meditators that it is not common that the young meditator engage in great spans of meditation (though it is this that is often bragged about). instead, the meditation element of the spiritual practice is practiced with care and moderation, and then the practitioner focuses his energies and consciousness on his every day activity, giving each intention his full concern and concentration. just when the meditator is older and more mature he may begin to delve more deeply into the 'weightier elements' of spiritual practice, and this is once he is wise and has years of practice to guide him. (even then it is not recommended, i think, in the case of most teachers that a student or even a skilled student should practice the 'weighty' spiritual practices without the guidance of the instructor). i think common recommendations to meditate are 20 minutes a day in lotus or half-lotus (Sakyong Mipham), 5 minutes 8-16 times a day gentle meditation on the breath (Dalai Lama), or Shunryu Suzuki said twice a day at 40 minutes per session (in the presence of the master meditation practitioner). i think i would practice less than this 40 minutes twice per day, unless i were availing myself to an instructor in person, because Shunryu himself was present with his students, and also taught instructors to their benefit. so Shunryu, because he emphasized the Zazen element (sitting meditation) of Zen to the degree he did, he would say to meditate longer than these other teachers recommend. perhaps you think it is selfish that these teachers say not to meditate so much, because the teacher himself may meditate more. however, this is because the teacher is the teacher, and has years of meditation practice, and other spiritual instruction (and in the case of each of the previously mentioned practitioners, they spent their full life learning the spiritual techniques and teachings and were involved all their life in spiritual practice). so if the student meditates with the teacher, he will guide the student, and if the student is very skilled after some time meditating then the student may increase his practice with more meditation. still, i think 20 minutes twice a day is a good maximum in sitting meditation unless one is a meditator of many years or is in the benefit of a teacher. it is a good practice to anyone, to observe the breath throughout the day, compress the diaphragm, and take full breathes with good posture. this alone will provide good support to all activity. | ||
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Alethios
New Zealand2765 Posts
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Pawsom
United States928 Posts
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