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Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
January 09 2015 06:40 GMT
#1241
On January 09 2015 15:32 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2015 10:12 Holy_AT wrote:
On January 09 2015 10:04 Falling wrote:
On January 09 2015 09:58 SoSexy wrote:


So we should respect this guy propaganda otherwise we are fascists? I see

You can disrespect, mock, satirize or better yet (in my opinion) simply disagree with that guy all you want. I disagree with almost everything he said. However, he's very careful in what he says- he never specifically condones the violence nor does he condemn it- he says many words in order to avoid condemning it. However, he committed no crime and there is no reason to throw him in prison. Not unless it could be proven he is doing something illegal like recruiting for terrorist organization. Freedom of belief and expression by its very nature has to allow for some very reprehensible beliefs.

(As an aside, he somehow linked in 'freedom from insult' when talking about freedom of expression. That's no freedom I've ever heard of.)


He only commited no crime because there are no laws against it.
A law makes a crime not the doings of some person.
For example if I was to parade in a Nazi uniform wearing the Hakenkreuz and making the Hitler Gruß in Austria all in the open I would get arrested and I would have broken the law and I would have committed a crime.
The same would happen if I would publicly deny the Holocaust or do other despicable things.

So why not extend these things and arrest people who come back from fighting their war in Syria or promote that the Sharia should be the law of the land?

I mean their are enough laws against hate speech even in america the land of the free.
I just think that it is wrong to only arrest them and release them without any thought behind it.
Why not arrest someone who was guilty of hate speech and release him after some psychology sessions or until he has seen the light of day? When he has proven that his ideology has sufficiently changed and that he recognizes the error in his ways?

Wow
it's funny because the people who always throws hitler and fascism everywhere are always the one who have actual fascist ideas.
Inventing laws to criminalize people you don't agree with is precisely a fascist thing to do.
You want to fight fascism if I understood you, but your ways to do it are exactly what the 3rd reich was doing.

And more and more people are like you, they throw the word hitler and fascist to everything they don't like and then propose incredibly freedom restricting measures to "fight" this supposed fascism. But the measures you propose are more fascist that everything the guys your accusing of fascism will ever be, I hope sometime people can understand that.



I have the same view as you, but I can't help to change slowly my point of view on this matter. I feel we are being abused by our ethic and some, of not a lot of people are taking profit on it.

What should we do ? Idk.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-09 06:53:00
January 09 2015 06:50 GMT
#1242
On January 09 2015 15:38 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2015 15:34 Grettin wrote:
Any news during the night?


Reportedly 80,000 person Manhunt, Helicopters and canines searching the woods where they are believed to be.

Source


With 80,000 you should be able to find them alright...
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Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-09 06:58:22
January 09 2015 06:56 GMT
#1243
Charlie Hebdo recieved 500k€ from Google and French Medias. And The french gov will give 1M€ too.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 09 2015 07:39 GMT
#1244
RIP this thread I guess.
Anyway I'm wondering what the terrorists want to do now. Are they going to make another murder? To flee and go to Syria or another country? To entrench themselves and wait until the police kills them in order to die as martyrs?
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KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-09 08:46:34
January 09 2015 08:12 GMT
#1245
Apparently people are already calling this a false-flag attack? Damn, how do people come up with that stuff?

EDIT: Here's the video:

Mod edit: No conspiracy nonsense in this thread please.
Nitro68
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
France470 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-09 08:23:53
January 09 2015 08:21 GMT
#1246
They stole a car 25 mns ago then shots heard ans RTL reports they have hostages.

"Un important échange de coups de feu vient d'avoir lieu sur la nationale 2, peu de temps après le vol d'une voiture à Montagny-Sainte-Félicité dans l'Oise avec à bord deux individus correspondant au signalement des frères Kouachi."

http://www.rtl.fr/actu/societe-faits-divers/en-direct-fusillade-a-charlie-hebdo-neuf-personnes-en-garde-a-vue-7776145189
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-09 08:47:10
January 09 2015 08:23 GMT
#1247
On January 09 2015 17:12 KeksX wrote:
Apparently people are already calling this a false-flag attack? Damn, how do people come up with that stuff?

EDIT: Here's the video:


Leave the foil-hat theories out of this to be honest. Everytime something happens, these guys are on to it.
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Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-09 08:47:18
January 09 2015 08:25 GMT
#1248
On January 09 2015 17:12 KeksX wrote:
Apparently people are already calling this a false-flag attack? Damn, how do people come up with that stuff?

EDIT: Here's the video:

lmao thanks for the laugh

Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 09 2015 08:27 GMT
#1249
LeMonde reports that there are shootings in Dammartin-en-Goêle, Ile-de-France, approx. 45 kilometers from Paris.
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Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14460 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-09 08:47:25
January 09 2015 08:28 GMT
#1250
On January 09 2015 17:12 KeksX wrote:
Apparently people are already calling this a false-flag attack? Damn, how do people come up with that stuff?

EDIT: Here's the video:

What a moron.
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 09 2015 08:29 GMT
#1251
Still according to LeMonde they have hostages in Dammartin-en-Goêle
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Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
January 09 2015 08:34 GMT
#1252
i just learned with CNN that a new force of intervention was created in france and i wasn't aware of
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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Nitro68
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
France470 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-09 08:36:29
January 09 2015 08:36 GMT
#1253
1 hostage according to iTele
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
January 09 2015 08:37 GMT
#1254
On January 09 2015 17:36 Nitro68 wrote:
1 hostage according to iTele


I wouldn't be surprised if its the owner of the car they allegedly stole.
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MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-09 08:46:55
January 09 2015 08:41 GMT
#1255
The 2 presumed terrorists have taken an hostage in a company in Dammartin (not far from Paris)
French special ops are there and surround the area.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
January 09 2015 08:48 GMT
#1256
I wonder if they are heading towards Charles de Gaulle airport? I read that its rather close where the shooting just occurred.
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SkrollK
Profile Joined January 2015
France580 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-09 08:48:57
January 09 2015 08:48 GMT
#1257
Hope this goes well, hope this goes well, hope this goes well, hope this goes well...

CDG is smthg like 4 km south-west of xhere they are currently.
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14460 Posts
January 09 2015 08:55 GMT
#1258
They are in a printing office, the irony.
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rararock
Profile Joined July 2014
United States41 Posts
January 09 2015 08:55 GMT
#1259
Hopefully as more incidents like this happen people will wake up to the fact that Islam is a violent intolerant religion. Of course most of the 1.2 billion muslims aren't terrorists but Islam is the only religion with a size-able violent minority. When people insult Jesus, or Buddah, no one goes on killing sprees. Before people say "but what about the crusades and the inquisition?", to quote Frank Sobotka "this isn't back in the day". The crusades happened centuries ago and were violent and horrible and at the time Christianity was violent and horrible. Islam is centuries backwards in terms of women rights, gay rights, freedom of expression, and human decency. Those supporting Islam are supporting the violent oppression of women, LGBT's, and religious minorities.

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Gwavajuice
Profile Joined June 2014
France1810 Posts
January 09 2015 08:58 GMT
#1260
Hi all I m french, I didn't read Charlie much, but it had a part in my family tradition and culture, as my fatehr used to buy his ancestor Hara Kiri back in the 60's and still has most of them somewhere in my cellar (Hara kiri was prohibited after their cover about general de gaulle's death in 1970, it renamed "Charlie" to avoid censorship and started again with the same people working for them)

I've seen a pretty accurate english video/article about what is Carlie (at least the modern version of it) on Vox :

Here

Go watch it if you feel like you're missing background to make your opinion.
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