I'm trying do to a TL;DR for Marine Le Pen statement.
I'll do a transcript of this, it's heartbreaking.
"I feel horrible but... It's normal isn't it ? I lost all my friends... today. They were people so... alive, who were so eager to please people, to make them laugh, to give them generous ideas, they were very good people, the best among us, obviously, as are all who make us laugh, who are for liberty, who are for our freedom to come and go, securely. They were murdered... it's a... butchery... horrible... We can't be silent now, you really have to help us now, you HAVE to help us. We must be together against this terror. Terror mustn't reduce freedom of speech, enjoying our lives.... I'll use idiot words but... democracy, 'cause that's what is the point, this kind of brotherhood allowing us to live... We can't let that go, it's an act of war. Maybe we can, maybe all press could be Charlie Hebdo, if we could all, if the whole france could title Charlie Hebdo. It's to show we don't agree, that never we would accept this, never would we let laugh die, never would we let liberty die... (breaks into tears).... Those were absolutely wonderful people.... Cabu was a genuis, a genuis of kindness, of talent..... Wolinski, Charb, all these people... I can't name them all, they are all dead...... My friend Bernard Marisse, everyone... We can't let that go, we must be together... They were not nasty people, they just wanted us all to live happy. They wanted... humour to have a spot in our lives. That's ALL, it's JUST THIS, and this is what was murdered. It's just unbearable.... We have to move...
Sorry for speaking about that but... I believe the media might not have been up to the task all those years about the radicalization because... most muslims must be catastrophed by the news... They are in danger, too. We haven't talked enough about the rise of fundamentalism in France... We haven't rang the bell enough... We made what we could.... Now I'm alone...nearly... They are... all my friends are gone... It was not for a wrong cause... only so we can live... that the children can come and go, tell bad jokes without being in danger... There, that's what happens, it's horrible it.... There will be a before and an after, our country will not be the same. A... method of journalism was... exterminated... all people who could make people laugh about serious ideas were terminated... It's an awful mourn we have to bear.
But silence must not win. Elizabeth Badinter told it at the caricature trial. She said 'If they are condemned, silence will fall upon us'. Well today, less than ever must that happen. You have to talk, talk, say what you feel... I don't have the faith... It's sad, because if I had faith today, if there is an afterlife, I'd like to tell them how much I love them... (tears) how much they are essential to my life, and to all others... who need liberty to live... They made people laugh and were happy... We laughed so much... We have to continue laughing... It's difficult today, very difficult... But it's the ultimate weapon, the weapon of brotherhood... We have to let people make fools of assholes.... We ... We have to use this to stay together, we mustn't let go... There must be everybody gathering today, we can't let this danger go, we can't be afraid... We can't live in fear......."
(excuse mistypes or grammar errors, I don't have the time to recheck everything. The meaning should be correct)
Those images are so impressive. Thinking they are completely silent... Unimaginable. I'm seeing some fragments on television right now. It's incredible.
19h07. Les recherches pour retrouver les auteurs de l'attentat contre Charlie Hebdo se poursuivent.Selon Le Parisien, la police s'est rendue vers 16h30 dans deux appartements, l'un à Pantin, l'autre à Gennevilliers, dans l'espoir de trouver les personnes recherchées. Mais aucune interpellation n'ont eu lieu, indique le quotidien.
7pm. Search for the perpetrators of thee massacre continues. According to "Le parisien" Police searched two flats at 6pm30 at "Pantin" and "Gennevilliers" but no arrest have been made for now.
On January 08 2015 02:05 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: This should fuel the far right even more in Europe.
I hope it does. I'm about as socialist as it gets, but this moral relativism bullshit that has infected Europe will continue to allow for this kind of stuff to happen. You can't just label this as another perspective and move on, patting yourself on the back for being tolerant. France did just fine prior to their influx of immigration. If this is how they are rewarded for their generosity, than I can't imagine them continuing to be. It's sad to realize people will still insist Islam has nothing to do with this. What the fuck is France supposed to do? They are under attack.
On January 08 2015 02:12 SoSexy wrote:
On January 08 2015 02:10 Grettin wrote:
On January 08 2015 02:09 pretender58 wrote:
On January 08 2015 02:05 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: This should fuel the far right even more in Europe.
Sadly. e.g. "Pegida" in Germany but especially the already strong "Front National" in France
Wasn't the 'head' of National Front supposed to speak or release a statement to the public hours ago? Is it available somewhere..
I would greatly appreciate a translation.
And I greatly appreciate your post.
Last time I said this I was banned for two weeks, but you can't just pretend this has nothing to do with Islam. Yes, these acts are perpetrated by extremists, but at the same time, this is exactly what the religious manifest of three billion people dictates.
The fact that most of these three billion people are sane, non-violent and decent people changes nothing about the fact that subversion, violence and suppression against non-Muslims are exactly what the Quran dictates.
I have never read the Quran, but from hearing from others, actions like this are highly frowned upon.
The only reason ISIS gets any support in the region is that ISIS government, whilst ruling by fear, is at least more stable than what Iraq and Syria used to be.
Muslims all over the world condemn this kind of behavior and I'm pretty sure the Quran says nothing about slaughtering innocent people for not believing in the Islam. Islam is a lot more familiar to Christianity/Judism than we usually think.
Also the 3 billion stat is pulled out of your arse.
Actions like what? Killing over Muhammad drawings? Because when the originals were first published, there were riots (of regular Muslims) all over the world and 200+ innocents were killed. Or you mean that the Quran in itself frowns on those actions? Because if the Quran doesn't call for a punishment for depicting muhammad, it (much like every other religious book) does for a lot of pretty mild stuff. You might think that Muslims don't take those commands literally or don't want it to be applied as law but you would be wrong. This is an article using polls about sharia and Islam in general in the general population of Islamic countries:
As you can see for example in Egypt, 74% think the Sharia should be the law of the land and be applied to muslim and non muslim alike, 81% think stoning is the adequate punishment for adultery and 86% think death should be applied for anyone leaving Islam.
The idea that Muslims all over the world are mostly the same as the rest of us and only the extremists view the world in such a distorted way is unfortunately wrong.
Skimming over the article, there is a good couple of details and nuances left away. I am not familiar with the organisation that did the surveys and how said surveys were conducted. Also, the sample sizes are pretty tiny compared to the claim that are being made. I might be reading over some of the stuff I'm missing, but overall, I am not convinced by solely this article.
Also notice how unstable governments and poverty play a role.
On January 08 2015 04:01 SC2Toastie wrote: Skimming over the article, there is a good couple of details and nuances left away. I am not familiar with the organisation that did the surveys and how said surveys were conducted. Also, the sample sizes are pretty tiny compared to the claim that are being made. I might be reading over some of the stuff I'm missing, but overall, I am not convinced by solely this article.
Also notice how unstable governments and poverty play a role.
Details and nuances account for a couple of percent points, not for the overwhelming majority of Muslims who think that Sharia law should be instituted. How can you even doubt that, given recent political developments?
Glad to see my fellow countrymen showing so much unity.
I don't always see eye to eye with my own country, but this reaction is the right one. Forget the extremists and whatever twisted motives they had, focus on the people we lost and on what their deaths mean. Take a stand for freedom of speech and expression. The extremists don't deserve the attention. Those who were lost, however, do.
-the republic has been attacked at his core -tribute to charlie hebdo -an attack made by coward -tomorrow will be a national mourning -flags at half mast for 3 days -thanks to the world for his support -tribute for the french soldiers that are fighting everyday the terrorist -all the available ressources will be put to find the responsibles of this attack -safety of public place will be increased -france cannot be divided and will overcome and defeat her ennemies
On January 08 2015 04:01 SC2Toastie wrote: Skimming over the article, there is a good couple of details and nuances left away. I am not familiar with the organisation that did the surveys and how said surveys were conducted. Also, the sample sizes are pretty tiny compared to the claim that are being made. I might be reading over some of the stuff I'm missing, but overall, I am not convinced by solely this article.
Also notice how unstable governments and poverty play a role.
Details and nuances account for a couple of percent points, not for the overwhelming majority of Muslims who think that Sharia law should be instituted. How can you even doubt that, given recent political developments?
A "study" of maybe 30K people to draw conclusions on the beliefs of 1.5-1.8 billion people, including a couple of such nuances like mostly ignoring political problems, poverty, inequality, poor education, etcetera, account of more than "a couple of percent points".
Given what recent political developments? We've had a couple of terrorist attacks recently, mostly stand-alone actions. ISIS is a concern, but they exist based on fear and western greediness alone. The only good thing they do for Muslims in their region is provide stability. They reduce the uncertainty in life created in the conflicts in Syria and Iraq. Most of those people still live in fear and do not support the actions of ISIS.
Terrorist attacks happen all the time, 10 people dead isn't a lot. It's kind of harsh that this attack would cause such an uproar when there are so many similar incidents in other parts in the world that people just don't care about. I guess if you're from Africa or Asia your death is somehow not as relevant as when westerners die. If you don't care about the massacre of 100 children in Pakistan then I don't see why you would care about the death of a couple of cartoonists. Maybe I'm just numb that people don't give a shit about anything other than what they can see through their iPhone or Facebook.
E: Just to clarify I obviously don't condone these attacks. It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth that incidents such as these are needed to remind people of the state the world is in right now.
On January 08 2015 04:17 Incognoto wrote: Terrorist attacks happen all the time, 10 people dead isn't a lot. It's kind of harsh that this attack would cause such an uproar when there are so many similar incidents in other parts in the world that people just don't care about. I guess if you're from Africa or Asia your death is somehow not as relevant as when westerners die. If you don't care about the massacre of 100 children in Pakistan then I don't see why you would care about the death of a couple of cartoonists. Maybe I'm just numb that people don't give a shit about anything other than what they can see through their iPhone or Facebook.
The massacre of a hundred children was extremely cruel. Also, it was political in nature and an act of revenge.
This attack, however, aims to strike at the core of Western civilization. It is targeted at out freedom of speech and expression, the democracy. You could say this is personal to the people in Western nations, which is why the protests are in such proportions.
On January 08 2015 02:05 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: This should fuel the far right even more in Europe.
I hope it does. I'm about as socialist as it gets, but this moral relativism bullshit that has infected Europe will continue to allow for this kind of stuff to happen. You can't just label this as another perspective and move on, patting yourself on the back for being tolerant. France did just fine prior to their influx of immigration. If this is how they are rewarded for their generosity, than I can't imagine them continuing to be. It's sad to realize people will still insist Islam has nothing to do with this. What the fuck is France supposed to do? They are under attack.
On January 08 2015 02:12 SoSexy wrote:
On January 08 2015 02:10 Grettin wrote:
On January 08 2015 02:09 pretender58 wrote:
On January 08 2015 02:05 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: This should fuel the far right even more in Europe.
Sadly. e.g. "Pegida" in Germany but especially the already strong "Front National" in France
Wasn't the 'head' of National Front supposed to speak or release a statement to the public hours ago? Is it available somewhere..
Last time I said this I was banned for two weeks, but you can't just pretend this has nothing to do with Islam. Yes, these acts are perpetrated by extremists, but at the same time, this is exactly what the religious manifest of three billion people dictates.
The fact that most of these three billion people are sane, non-violent and decent people changes nothing about the fact that subversion, violence and suppression against non-Muslims are exactly what the Quran dictates.
I have never read the Quran, but from hearing from others, actions like this are highly frowned upon.
The only reason ISIS gets any support in the region is that ISIS government, whilst ruling by fear, is at least more stable than what Iraq and Syria used to be.
Muslims all over the world condemn this kind of behavior and I'm pretty sure the Quran says nothing about slaughtering innocent people for not believing in the Islam. Islam is a lot more familiar to Christianity/Judism than we usually think.
Also the 3 billion stat is pulled out of your arse.
Actions like what? Killing over Muhammad drawings? Because when the originals were first published, there were riots (of regular Muslims) all over the world and 200+ innocents were killed. Or you mean that the Quran in itself frowns on those actions? Because if the Quran doesn't call for a punishment for depicting muhammad, it (much like every other religious book) does for a lot of pretty mild stuff. You might think that Muslims don't take those commands literally or don't want it to be applied as law but you would be wrong. This is an article using polls about sharia and Islam in general in the general population of Islamic countries:
As you can see for example in Egypt, 74% think the Sharia should be the law of the land and be applied to muslim and non muslim alike, 81% think stoning is the adequate punishment for adultery and 86% think death should be applied for anyone leaving Islam.
The idea that Muslims all over the world are mostly the same as the rest of us and only the extremists view the world in such a distorted way is unfortunately wrong.
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