On January 08 2015 02:57 Aeromi wrote: It's really weird but I don't think I have ever seen the whole country united except for the victory during the world cup in 1998.
People are really sad but they are all united.
They wanted France to bow, now they are standing up.
This is so sad, we've lost many outstanding people today.
On January 08 2015 02:47 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Also if it is found out that these gunmen(which is being said showed signs of professional training) came via Syria through Turkey. Holy hell...
AFAIK none of the gunmen have been caught, yet.
Whilst that would further trouble the current relations with Turkey, it's inappropriate to speculate about this as of now.
On January 08 2015 02:05 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: This should fuel the far right even more in Europe.
I hope it does. I'm about as socialist as it gets, but this moral relativism bullshit that has infected Europe will continue to allow for this kind of stuff to happen. You can't just label this as another perspective and move on, patting yourself on the back for being tolerant. France did just fine prior to their influx of immigration. If this is how they are rewarded for their generosity, than I can't imagine them continuing to be. It's sad to realize people will still insist Islam has nothing to do with this. What the fuck is France supposed to do? They are under attack.
On January 08 2015 02:05 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: This should fuel the far right even more in Europe.
Sadly. e.g. "Pegida" in Germany but especially the already strong "Front National" in France
Wasn't the 'head' of National Front supposed to speak or release a statement to the public hours ago? Is it available somewhere..
I would greatly appreciate a translation.
And I greatly appreciate your post.
Last time I said this I was banned for two weeks, but you can't just pretend this has nothing to do with Islam. Yes, these acts are perpetrated by extremists, but at the same time, this is exactly what the religious manifest of three billion people dictates.
The fact that most of these three billion people are sane, non-violent and decent people changes nothing about the fact that subversion, violence and suppression against non-Muslims are exactly what the Quran dictates.
could someone elaborate on what exactly do you mean when you speak of united france... i know its a big country but i never expected real division like you have in Spain today for example...
On January 08 2015 03:02 snailz wrote: could someone elaborate on what exactly do you mean when you speak of united france... i know its a big country but i never expected real division like you have in Spain today for example...
Well, far left, left, right and far right are always complaining about eachother and today they are all united for Charlie Hebdo. First time I saw in 20 years.
On January 08 2015 01:55 travis wrote: This is strange because I recently finished writing a large research paper for my philosophy class. The subject I chose was whether or not it was "right" for Jyllands Posten to publish the muhammad cartoons that it did. That was over 9 years ago. Not much has changed. I can post my paper if anyone wants to read it.
What kind of philosophy class was that ? I'm curious because this doesn't seem like a philosophical subject to me. I mean, this is not the kind of work that a teacher would ask for in my own universiity.
I wanted to hold off 9/11 stuff, but it is really strange how much going through that when I was 14 (It was a B day, we had a rotation, in Mrs. Len's art class) makes these things so much more real even from such a distance.
On January 08 2015 02:05 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: This should fuel the far right even more in Europe.
I hope it does. I'm about as socialist as it gets, but this moral relativism bullshit that has infected Europe will continue to allow for this kind of stuff to happen. You can't just label this as another perspective and move on, patting yourself on the back for being tolerant. France did just fine prior to their influx of immigration. If this is how they are rewarded for their generosity, than I can't imagine them continuing to be. It's sad to realize people will still insist Islam has nothing to do with this. What the fuck is France supposed to do? They are under attack.
On January 08 2015 02:12 SoSexy wrote:
On January 08 2015 02:10 Grettin wrote:
On January 08 2015 02:09 pretender58 wrote:
On January 08 2015 02:05 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: This should fuel the far right even more in Europe.
Sadly. e.g. "Pegida" in Germany but especially the already strong "Front National" in France
Wasn't the 'head' of National Front supposed to speak or release a statement to the public hours ago? Is it available somewhere..
Last time I said this I was banned for two weeks, but you can't just pretend this has nothing to do with Islam. Yes, these acts are perpetrated by extremists, but at the same time, this is exactly what the religious manifest of three billion people dictates.
The fact that most of these three billion people are sane, non-violent and decent people changes nothing about the fact that subversion, violence and suppression against non-Muslims are exactly what the Quran dictates.
I have never read the Quran, but from hearing from others, actions like this are highly frowned upon.
The only reason ISIS gets any support in the region is that ISIS government, whilst ruling by fear, is at least more stable than what Iraq and Syria used to be.
Muslims all over the world condemn this kind of behavior and I'm pretty sure the Quran says nothing about slaughtering innocent people for not believing in the Islam. Islam is a lot more familiar to Christianity/Judism than we usually think.
Also the 3 billion stat is pulled out of your arse.
Wow, very powerful stuff. As an American, that is how I am seeing this recent tragedy. I can only hope there is positive change from this. Fuck these terrorists.
I'm trying do to a TL;DR for Marine Le Pen statement.
I'll do a transcript of this, it's heartbreaking.
"I feel horrible but... It's normal isn't it ? I lost all my friends... today. They were people so... alive, who were so eager to please people, to make them laugh, to give them generous ideas, they were very good people, the best among us, obviously, as are all who make us laugh, who are for liberty, who are for our freedom to come and go, securely. They were murdered... it's a... butchery... horrible... We can't be silent now, you really have to help us now, you HAVE to help us. We must be together against this terror. Terror mustn't reduce freedom of speech, enjoying our lives.... I'll use idiot words but... democracy, 'cause that's what is the point, this kind of brotherhood allowing us to live... We can't let that go, it's an act of war. Maybe we can, maybe all press could be Charlie Hebdo, if we could all, if the whole france could title Charlie Hebdo. It's to show we don't agree, that never we would accept this, never would we let laugh die, never would we let liberty die... (breaks into tears).... Those were absolutely wonderful people.... Cabu was a genuis, a genuis of kindness, of talent..... Wolinski, Charb, all these people... I can't name them all, they are all dead...... My friend Bernard Marisse, everyone... We can't let that go, we must be together... They were not nasty people, they just wanted us all to live happy. They wanted... humour to have a spot in our lives. That's ALL, it's JUST THIS, and this is what was murdered. It's just unbearable.... We have to move...
Sorry for speaking about that but... I believe the media might not have been up to the task all those years about the radicalization because... most muslims must be catastrophed by the news... They are in danger, too. We haven't talked enough about the rise of fundamentalism in France... We haven't rang the bell enough... We made what we could.... Now I'm alone...nearly... They are... all my friends are gone... It was not for a wrong cause... only so we can live... that the children can come and go, tell bad jokes without being in danger... There, that's what happens, it's horrible it.... There will be a before and an after, our country will not be the same. A... method of journalism was... exterminated... all people who could make people laugh about serious ideas were terminated... It's an awful mourn we have to bear.
But silence must not win. Elizabeth Badinter told it at the caricature trial. She said 'If they are condemned, silence will fall upon us'. Well today, less than ever must that happen. You have to talk, talk, say what you feel... I don't have the faith... It's sad, because if I had faith today, if there is an afterlife, I'd like to tell them how much I love them... (tears) how much they are essential to my life, and to all others... who need liberty to live... They made people laugh and were happy... We laughed so much... We have to continue laughing... It's difficult today, very difficult... But it's the ultimate weapon, the weapon of brotherhood... We have to let people make fools of assholes.... We ... We have to use this to stay together, we mustn't let go... There must be everybody gathering today, we can't let this danger go, we can't be afraid... We can't live in fear......."
(excuse mistypes or grammar errors, I don't have the time to recheck everything. The meaning should be correct)
On January 08 2015 03:02 snailz wrote: could someone elaborate on what exactly do you mean when you speak of united france... i know its a big country but i never expected real division like you have in Spain today for example...
France has a lot of subgroups with differences (politically, religion, for example, see the Gypsies) (also, the French are quite stubborn IMO ). This is one of the rare occurances they drop their inner conflicts and unite themselves as the nation of France.
On January 08 2015 01:55 travis wrote: This is strange because I recently finished writing a large research paper for my philosophy class. The subject I chose was whether or not it was "right" for Jyllands Posten to publish the muhammad cartoons that it did. That was over 9 years ago. Not much has changed. I can post my paper if anyone wants to read it.
What kind of philosophy class was that ? I'm curious because this doesn't seem like a philosophical subject to me. I mean, this is not the kind of work that a teacher would ask for in my own universiity.
travis did say he chose the subject, and ethics is surely a branch of philosophy
On January 08 2015 01:55 travis wrote: This is strange because I recently finished writing a large research paper for my philosophy class. The subject I chose was whether or not it was "right" for Jyllands Posten to publish the muhammad cartoons that it did. That was over 9 years ago. Not much has changed. I can post my paper if anyone wants to read it.
What kind of philosophy class was that ? I'm curious because this doesn't seem like a philosophical subject to me. I mean, this is not the kind of work that a teacher would ask for in my own universiity.
Nor for me, but I'd like to skim over the paper if you are willing to publish it, I find it a very interesting subject !
On January 08 2015 03:02 snailz wrote: could someone elaborate on what exactly do you mean when you speak of united france... i know its a big country but i never expected real division like you have in Spain today for example...
Well, far left, left, right and far right are always complaining about eachother and today they are all united for Charlie Hebdo. First time I saw in 20 years.
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). This is one of the rare occurances they drop their inner conflicts and unite themselves as the nation of France.
