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On January 06 2016 08:45 Narw wrote:
And now you wake up in the country to which you invited bunch of people from culture/region in which females are treated worse than trash. Good luck with keeping your world view integral and trying to control those newcomers.
Because you know, they need to be controlled.
ahm.. yeah, thats what the police should do. people act against our rules ---> fuck them, hit them with rubber bulletes, teargas or whatever.
That the german police wasn't able to respond is... worrying (to say the least).
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You can't expect Police to be ready for this kind of wave when your politicians are going out of their way trying to deny the problem even exists in first place. This dosn't work that way.
First you need to admit that you have a problem before you can start looking for solutions for that problem. If the media and gouvernment representatives are going out of their way to convince population that "south looking males" that just arrived without any kind of reasonable background check are all fine and candy, you can't just, as lets say Police commisioner go to local municipal district representative and tell "hey man, those 5k guys we have here, well erm, you know those Merkel invited, i think they may cause a problem this new years eve and we need extra guys on streeets".
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On January 06 2016 08:38 Simberto wrote:
You suck at reading comprehension.
His statement was that the problem is the police not being able to deal with that kind of situation, no matter whether the perpetrators are "north african looking" or not.
Furthermore, the problem is people, not populations. We judge crimes individually. So if a person or a group of persons decides to commit a crime and assault women, these persons are to blame. Not everyone who looks similar to them or comes from a similar background. It really isn't hard.
I am not defending anyone that attacks women (or men, i am egalitarian in that regard, i think men and women have the same right not to be attacked by strangers). That is obviously bad, and it is also against the law. Thus, if the police is incapable of enforcing the already existing laws, that is a problem.
And according to Nyxisto, situations where the police are overextended and can't deal with it reasonably well happen in cologne from time to time. That is bad. And should be fixed. There are also probably some systemic reasons to that, but i am not from cologne, and thus i really can't say what the best approach to fixing that problem is.
It is also not a reasonable reaction to blame every "north african looking male" for that kind of behaviour. I like to not be blamed by proxy just because i am white if some white asshole decides to commit a crime. I find it only fair to expand that courtesy to everyone else, and judge them for their own actions, not for the actions of people who have a similar skin colour as they do.
To be honest, I don't agree. If a certain group of people is at an increased risk to commit crime that's something the police should definitely look into. You shouldn't discriminate against individual people, but if for some reason a certain group is extraordinarily dangerous to others, that can't simply be ignored. This is also common practice, for example for political extremists or crazy salafis.
Now if the group in question is an external one I'd seriously question if we should facilitate more and more of them coming here while we already are incapable of dealing with the arising problems adequately.
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On January 06 2016 09:46 dismiss wrote:
To be honest, I don't agree. If a certain group of people is at an increased risk to commit crime that's something the police should definitely look into. You shouldn't discriminate against individual people, but if for some reason a certain group is extraordinarily dangerous to others, that can't simply be ignored. This is also common practice, for example for political extremists or crazy salafis.
Every police department I've ever seen does just that. Not sure if German police does otherwise, but if they do I would call that willful ignorance on their part.
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It's bizarre watching people fight so hard to hold on to this idea that there isn't a problem with the migrants. As the situation has changed, it is totally reasonable to adjust your perspective. It doesn't make you racist and it doesn't make you heartless. Reality is reality and it doesn't help anyone to keep trying to think of a reason there isn't a problem. I was really supportive of the migrants at first, but it is so clear that their behavior is not good enough. It doesn't make sense for the EU to give itself away for the sake of feeling like it's being giving.
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It's because Germany is a nation scared of any external action it takes. In other words Germany is scared of itself.
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On January 06 2016 12:18 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
It's because Germany is a nation scared of any external action it takes. In other words Germany is scared of itself.
It doesn't make sense. What percentage of Germany's population was even alive during Nazi Germany? Nazi Germany is 100% disconnected from current day Germany. I would argue they are two separate countries. People have such a strange tendency to identify with previous generations even though the similarity is minuscule. Germany doesn't have a debt to pay, they don't need to be so ridiculous about this whole migrant situation. The irony is that their country is suffering. They are essentially punching themselves in the face because their grandfather was an asshole.
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You are somehow operating under the assumption that everybody who disagrees with you "does not acknowledge that there are problems" or "lives in a liberal bubble" and hates every native German. Surprisingly that isn't actually the case. It's a rhetoric that comes up a lot in this whole discussion.
Everybody knows that there are problems and that integrating millions of people will be a rocky task. But there isn't actually any easy solution to this. The reality is that people are willing to give up their life to come here, and we've agreed to not let them die, so that's that. Instituting bureaucratic "upper limits" doesn't actually do anything in the real world, and giving up every single one of our civil liberties probably isn't worth it either.
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what i find weird is that there are no feminists burning those south looking males at the stake yet.
conspiracy?, are they taking one for the team? ...
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What I find hilarious is how German media are constantly self-censoring themselves while ranting about freedom of speech being in danger in Poland to no end (which it is not, not in the least). 
On January 06 2016 12:53 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2016 12:18 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
It's because Germany is a nation scared of any external action it takes. In other words Germany is scared of itself. It doesn't make sense. What percentage of Germany's population was even alive during Nazi Germany? Nazi Germany is 100% disconnected from current day Germany. I would argue they are two separate countries. People have such a strange tendency to identify with previous generations even though the similarity is minuscule. Germany doesn't have a debt to pay, they don't need to be so ridiculous about this whole migrant situation. The irony is that their country is suffering. They are essentially punching themselves in the face because their grandfather was an asshole.
Well, technically, Germany hasn't paid us war reparations yet...
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Well, practically, Germany doesn't have to pay any war reparations anymore.
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On January 06 2016 18:44 Velr wrote:
Well, practically, Germany doesn't have to pay any war reparations anymore.
It's all a matter of leverage. If we had such strong propaganda (not in the pejorative sense) as certain Jewish organizations/Israel, we could bully them into paying, like the Jews did. Unfortunately, we don't.
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Actually Germany did (of course) pay Poland war reparations.
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Is Poland literally Greece now? 
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Nah, Greece voted in Socialist, Poland Facists.
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On January 06 2016 19:08 Velr wrote:
Nah, Greece voted in Socialist, Poland Facists.
I hope you are joking.
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On January 06 2016 19:03 silynxer wrote:Actually Germany did (of course) pay Poland war reparations.
A miniscule fraction of what was due, which did not even amount to 1% of the losses we suffered, you mean. You call that reparations, I call that a joke. All that disregarding the fact that USSR siphoned more out of Poland (in form of coal and other resources) for the former's occupation of East Germany than Poland received in those laughable reparations.
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On January 06 2016 19:52 maybenexttime wrote:A miniscule fraction of what was due, which did not even amount to 1% of the losses we suffered, you mean. You call that reparations, I call that a joke. All that disregarding the fact that USSR siphoned more out of Poland (in form of coal and other resources) for the former's occupation of East Germany than Poland received in those laughable reparations.
And from which hole you crawled again?
Like it happened, it won't be changed and nothing good will ever come from discussing it (thats why no one ever talks about it). So why the hell bring something like this.
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On January 06 2016 15:07 xM(Z wrote:
what i find weird is that there are no feminists burning those south looking males at the stake yet.
conspiracy?, are they taking one for the team? ...
Those feminists usually belong to the "wir schaffen das" camp as well, meaning that they'd be contradicting themselves if they were suddenly upset that the people they let in turned out to not share their own liberal views on society.
Time will tell if Germany (and Europe in general) will be able to integrate people who come from incredibly diverse backgrounds, from high-skilled metropolitan Syrian refugees to conservative Muslims who've been living in the countryside all their lives and are now dropped in crowded refugee centres. My expectations are pretty low though, considering that the integration of North African and Turkish guest workers has been an absolute disaster.
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On January 06 2016 19:55 Narw wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2016 19:52 maybenexttime wrote:On January 06 2016 19:03 silynxer wrote:Actually Germany did (of course) pay Poland war reparations. A miniscule fraction of what was due, which did not even amount to 1% of the losses we suffered, you mean. You call that reparations, I call that a joke. All that disregarding the fact that USSR siphoned more out of Poland (in form of coal and other resources) for the former's occupation of East Germany than Poland received in those laughable reparations. And from which hole you crawled again? Like it happened, it won't be changed and nothing good will ever come from discussing it (thats why no one ever talks about it). So why the hell bring something like this.
I'm just stating the facts. As a matter of fact, I don't think we should pursue those reparations (forcing modern day Germans to pay for the transgressions of their grandparents is not exactly fair, but neither is not paying the due reparations). But I don't see why we should not remind about it at times when Germany does something abusive to our country (such as: Nord Stream 1 & 2, which not only are a threat to our energy security, but also prevents us from upgrading some of our ports, German restitution claims or demanding truck drivers driving through Germany to be paid German minimum wages, which could make our transportation companies go bankrupt).
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