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RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6205 Posts
January 22 2015 14:22 GMT
#701
(Reuters) - The European Central Bank agreed on Thursday to embark on a quantitative easing (QE) programme, which together with its existing schemes will pump 60 billion euros a month into the euro zone economy from this March until September next year.

Countries under a bailout programme, such as Greece, will be included but with some additional criteria.

The ECB is launching the programme with a view to buoying the flagging euro zone economy, where inflation has turned negative and - at minus 0.2 percent - is far below the central bank's target of just under 2 percent.

"Under this expanded programme the combined monthly purchases of public and private sector securities will amount to 60 billion euros," ECB President Mario Draghi said at a news conference.

"They are intended to be carried out until end-September 2016 and will in any case be conducted until we see a sustained adjustment in the path of inflation."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/22/us-ecb-policy-qe-idUSKBN0KV1KM20150122
LennX
Profile Joined October 2010
4549 Posts
January 22 2015 14:54 GMT
#702
Any thoughts on it? I'm still trying to make some sense on it.

The markets were expecting a bailout of at least a trillion euros which has happened but responses to it seems lukewarm for the moment. Euro is still sliding especially against the USD.
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Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-22 15:07:35
January 22 2015 15:04 GMT
#703
On January 22 2015 23:54 LennX wrote:
Any thoughts on it? I'm still trying to make some sense on it.

The markets were expecting a bailout of at least a trillion euros which has happened but responses to it seems lukewarm for the moment. Euro is still sliding especially against the USD.

The news just hit, it will take a while for the market to react, the central bank in each country has to make a statement as well before anything happends. It takes a while, thats all.

EDIT: for example in Sweden our bank will talk about this early Feb and its fairly certain we too will start printing Swedish money, and no one here wants to really do anything until we know for sure, why would you invest now if you later on would get free money and invest with zero risk since you aren't actually spending your own money?
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Hoenicker
Profile Joined February 2012
243 Posts
January 22 2015 15:23 GMT
#704
This will temporarily alleviate some symptoms of the crises, only to circle around and hit us in the face come 2 years.... Idiots.
CuddlyCuteKitten
Profile Joined January 2004
Sweden2598 Posts
January 22 2015 15:23 GMT
#705
Time to buy some stocks before they start? I have money just sitting in a savings account, seems like a bad idea.
waaaaaaaaaaaooooow - Felicia, SPF2:T
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6205 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-22 16:30:26
January 22 2015 16:15 GMT
#706
On January 22 2015 23:54 LennX wrote:
Any thoughts on it? I'm still trying to make some sense on it.

The markets were expecting a bailout of at least a trillion euros which has happened but responses to it seems lukewarm for the moment. Euro is still sliding especially against the USD.

It's not a bailout...

Markets have already priced in a lot of the QE programme because it's been expected for weeks (months?) now. QE is actually one of the reasons why is slidig so much vs the dollar.

FRANKFURT (Reuters) - The European Central Bank took the ultimate policy leap on Thursday, launching a government bond-buying program which will pump hundreds of billions of new money into a sagging euro zone economy.

The ECB said it would buy government bonds from this March until the end of September 2016 despite opposition from Germany's Bundesbank and concerns in Berlin that it could allow spendthrift countries to slacken economic reforms.

Together with existing schemes to buy private debt and funnel hundreds of billions of euros in cheap loans to banks, the new quantitative easing program will pump 60 billion euros ($68.8 billion) a month into the economy, ECB President Mario Draghi said.

By September next year, more than 1 trillion euros ($1.14 trillion) will have been created.

"The combined monthly purchases of public and private sector securities will amount to 60 billion euros," Draghi told a news conference. "They are intended to be carried out until end-September 2016 and will in any case be conducted until we see a sustained adjustment in the path of inflation."

Bonds will be bought on the secondary market in proportion to the ECB's capital key, meaning the largest economies from Germany down will see more of their debt purchased by the ECB than smaller peers.

The prospect of dramatic ECB action had already prompted the Swiss central bank to abandon its cap on the franc while Denmark, whose currency is pegged to the euro, was forced to cut interest rates in anticipation of the flood of money.

The Danish central bank intervened to weaken the crown ahead of the announcement.

Former ECB policymaker Athanasios Orphanides said action was long overdue. "The ECB should have already embarked on QE," he said. "Now that the situation has deteriorated, the ECB will have to do much more."

The euro fell, European shares jumped and bond yields in Italy, Spain and Portugal fell with the single currency dropping a full cent against the dollar to $1.1511.

Draghi has had to balance the need for action to lift the euro zone economy out of its torpor against German concerns about risk-sharing and potentially being left to foot the bill.

Tensions broke out as the meeting got underway with French Finance Minister Michel Sapin firing a broadside at Berlin.

"The Germans have taught us to respect the independence of the European Central Bank," he told France Info radio. "They must remember that themselves."

A German lawyer who has been prominent in attempts to halt euro zone bailouts said he was already preparing a legal complaint against an ECB bond-buying program.

WILL IT WORK?

Draghi said 20 percent of the asset purchases would be subject to risk-sharing, suggesting the bulk of any potential losses will fall on national central banks.

Critics say that calls the euro zone concept of risk sharing into question and countries with already high debts could find themselves with further liabilities.

Euro zone inflation turned negative last month, far below the ECB's target of close to but below 2 percent, raising fears of a Japan-style deflationary spiral.

But there are doubts, and not only in Germany, over whether printing fresh money will work.

Most euro zone government bond yields are already at ultra-low levels while the euro has already dropped sharply against the dollar. Lower borrowing costs and a weaker currency could both help to boost growth but there is a question about how much downside there is for either.

"It is a mistake to suppose that QE is a panacea in Europe or that it will be sufficient," former U.S. Treasury Secretary Larry Summers said at the World Economic Forum in Davos on Thursday.

"There is every reason to expect that QE will be less impactful in a context like the present one in Europe than it was in the context of the United States."

A plunge in the price of oil has thrown central bankers into a spin worldwide. Canada cut the cost of borrowing out of the blue on Wednesday while two British rate setters at the Bank of England dropped calls for tighter monetary policy as inflation has evaporated.

The ECB has already cut interest rates to record lows. Earlier, it left its main refinancing rate, which determines the cost of euro zone credit, at 0.05 percent.

Greece and Cyprus, which remain under EU/IMF bailout program, will be eligible but subject to stricter conditions.

"Some additional eligibility criteria will be applied in the case of countries under an EU/IMF adjustment program," Draghi said.

The move comes just three days before an election in Greece where anti-bailout opposition party Syriza is on track to gain roughly a third of the vote.

source
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15325 Posts
January 22 2015 17:21 GMT
#707
On January 22 2015 23:54 LennX wrote:
Any thoughts on it? I'm still trying to make some sense on it.

The markets were expecting a bailout of at least a trillion euros which has happened but responses to it seems lukewarm for the moment. Euro is still sliding especially against the USD.

It's expected to drop against the Dollar as QE starts. You can say it has already dropped considerably the past months because QE has been expected for a while now. Because it's really no surprise at this point is likely why the reactions are rather flat.
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RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6205 Posts
January 22 2015 17:34 GMT
#708
On January 23 2015 02:21 zatic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2015 23:54 LennX wrote:
Any thoughts on it? I'm still trying to make some sense on it.

The markets were expecting a bailout of at least a trillion euros which has happened but responses to it seems lukewarm for the moment. Euro is still sliding especially against the USD.

It's expected to drop against the Dollar as QE starts. You can say it has already dropped considerably the past months because QE has been expected for a while now. Because it's really no surprise at this point is likely why the reactions are rather flat.

Reactions are hardly flat though, most bond rates went down and the euro dropped again.
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
January 25 2015 21:13 GMT
#709
Does anyone have some insight into the political situation in greece right now?
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WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
January 25 2015 21:19 GMT
#710
On January 26 2015 06:13 Paljas wrote:
Does anyone have some insight into the political situation in greece right now?

Syriza win and that's great, they'll party all night long.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
January 25 2015 21:29 GMT
#711
On January 26 2015 06:19 WhiteDog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2015 06:13 Paljas wrote:
Does anyone have some insight into the political situation in greece right now?

Syriza win and that's great, they'll party all night long.

such insight, much wow
thanks, whitedoge

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SoSexy
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Italy3725 Posts
January 25 2015 22:41 GMT
#712
Golden Dawn 6,34% right now, 3rd party
Dating thread on TL LUL
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-26 01:39:17
January 25 2015 23:00 GMT
#713
On January 26 2015 06:13 Paljas wrote:
Does anyone have some insight into the political situation in greece right now?

Anti-austerity won, still undecided by how much / if they can govern alone.

Germans are still demanding austerity (said so at Davos). + Show Spoiler +
Speaking at Davos this morning, Angela Merkel and Alexander Stubb argued that European creditors should not be held responsible for their poor lending decisions.

Well, that’s not exactly how they phrased it:

German chancellor Angela Merkel has warned Greece that it must take responsibility for its debts, as the country heads into crunch elections that could reignite the eurozone debt crisis.

At a keynote speech at the World Economic Forum, Merkel insisted that she wanted Greece to remain in the eurozone. But she also signalled to Athens that Germany was not easing up in its insistence that the Greek debt mountain is repaid…

Another northern European leader at Davos, Finland’s Alexander Stubb, was taking a tough line, saying the Greek people needed to know that it will be “very hard for us to forgive any loans or restructure any debt at this moment.”

Stubb suggested Greece faces three choices: to continue as things are; to endure a “continued period of instability” while discussing extensions to its existing borrowings; with the only other option being a “dirty exit” from the eurozone.


– “Angela Merkel says Greece must take responsibility for its debts”, The Guardian, January 22, 2015

Link


Greece's most powerful option is to leave the Euro (Grexit) which is scary for everyone involved and may prompt negotiations.

So everything is still a complete mess, as it has been for the past six years. Oh, and what happens in Greece may set a precedent for other Eurozone members that are still in a tough spot with regard to austerity and debt.

Edit:
+ Show Spoiler +
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GREECE will have a new prime minister, and Europe its first anti-austerity government, following elections on January 25th. Preliminary results show that Syriza, a left-wing party led by Alexis Tsipras, has won handsomely, claiming around 36% of the vote, an eight-percentage-point lead over the New Democracy party of Antonis Samaras, the outgoing prime minister. Syriza’s support leapt by nine percentage points compared with the 2012 election result; the biggest loser was PASOK, a centre-left party and member of the current governing coalition. Current polling suggests that Syriza may have fallen just short of the 151 seats needed for an absolute parliamentary majority. If so, Mr Tsipras will have to form a coalition of his own, most probably with a smaller party such as To Potami (The River), a new centre-left party that drew around 5% of the vote. In a victory speech in Athens, Mr Tsipras told supporters that the "troika" of institutions (the European Commission, the European Central Bank and the IMF) that oversees Greece's bail-out programme was a thing of the past. That may be a promise he cannot deliver on. But he has been given a mandate to try.

Link
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
January 25 2015 23:35 GMT
#714
http://openeurope.org.uk/blog/lanslide-syriza-victory-in-greek-elections-means-tough-eurozone-negotiations-on-the-horizon/


SYRIZA will be short on time and money
SYRIZA will have to move quickly in negotiations with its European partners. The current bailout extension is due to expire at the end of February. If no programme is in place, this could see Greek banks lose access to ECB funding as Greek bonds will no longer be eligible as collateral. With uncertainty over the bailout programme, the ECB could also choose to apply pressure by threatening to cut off access to the Emergency Liquidity Assistance (ELA), as it did with Cyprus in 2013.

Greece also has significant bond repayments in July and August, totalling over €7bn. With cash reserves already at a record low of €2bn and reports of numerous taxes going unpaid since the Presidential election was called in December, the new government will be short on cash. SYRIZA’s answer is to issue more T-bills (short term government debt) but this would require approval from the EU/IMF/ECB Troika. If they went ahead anyway, the only buyers would be Greek banks, however, they require liquidity from the ECB to make such purchases.


xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
January 25 2015 23:59 GMT
#715
Greece is probably better off flipping the bird to the EU and eating some short term pain as opposed to remaining in perpetual indentured servitude. Who knows, the EU may cave to the Greeks if they go that route.
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
January 26 2015 00:56 GMT
#716
Apparently Greeks stop paying taxes in anticipation of elections?
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
January 26 2015 01:06 GMT
#717
On January 26 2015 09:56 Sub40APM wrote:
Apparently Greeks stop paying taxes in anticipation of elections?

Greece had tax collection issues long before the crisis hit. The current situation just exacerbates it.
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
January 26 2015 03:21 GMT
#718
On January 23 2015 00:23 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
Time to buy some stocks before they start? I have money just sitting in a savings account, seems like a bad idea.

You're probably "losing" money due to inflation
© Current year.
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6205 Posts
January 26 2015 08:23 GMT
#719
On January 26 2015 12:21 CorsairHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2015 00:23 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
Time to buy some stocks before they start? I have money just sitting in a savings account, seems like a bad idea.

You're probably "losing" money due to inflation

The -0.2 inflation rate you mean?
mdb
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Bulgaria4059 Posts
January 26 2015 08:25 GMT
#720
gl to greece.I hope they know what they are doing.
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