EPTOn October 08 2015 04:26 Incognoto wrote:
Indeed, I said that. I don't think that French culture is perfect. Far from it even. If you think that French culture (or any other culture really) is perfect and doesn't need to grow and develop, then you are deluded.
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On October 08 2015 04:21 WhiteDog wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Ho sorry :
On October 08 2015 04:19 Incognoto wrote:
Why not quote me instead?
Subsequently, learn to read English. I said that the country (or rather, its atmosphere) is becoming increasingly barbaric, with more and more lynching, destruction of property, rise of crime rate (I'm quite sure that you haven't had your home broken into 8 times over the past few years?), rise of extremist parties.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_French_riots
Yeah, to me that's barbaric.
We had lynching this week. You're approving it, saying it's justified. I say fuck that. I don't condone behavior I would never permit myself. I'm not the one who is physically assaulting people, destroying property and causing a stir of shit. However, a fair amount of French people are. So yeah i'm going to call it out. Yes, i'm also going to call out the government because they are catalyzing this disgusting crap with their own incompetence (or maybe they want to force the French to choose between them or the FN? who knows?).
Hey, you know what, let's stop mucking up the thread with this garbage discussion either way. If you still have something you need to get off your chest, send me a PM. That way other people in this thread can go back to having a real discussion instead of being forced to read this garbage.
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On October 08 2015 04:08 WhiteDog wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Let's not sugar coat over the words you use : you said that france had barbaric culture. You are not criticizing anything, you're stigmatizing, and stupidly at that. Now you're actually trying to change the subject and argue that it's the government that is responsible.
In the tradition that Le Monde and the inrockuptible created for the privileged youth, here is the typical french that you propose : lazy (unemployment), racist (national front), and succeptible to lynch people out of jalousy (communist).
On October 08 2015 04:07 Incognoto wrote:
Saying I hate France is a pretty low and personal insult, really at this point I don't give two shits what you think of me or my views of my country. I do reserve the right to violently criticize my country when it's doing something wrong.
Other countries are indeed doing some things right, much more than the crap we're doing in France, flinging shit at each like deranged monkeys. Divide and conquer, the government has achieved this perfectly. Tell me more garbage about things are going quite nicely in France as of right now: unemployment is going down, extremist parties are silly through their mere existence, immigrants are treated fairly, young people are finding prosperous new jobs in France (instead of going to foreign countries, lul).
Delusional. We're up shit-creek. Of course I'm not going to sugar-coat my views on France. We're going straight into a wall and we're going to drag down Europe with us.
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On October 08 2015 03:43 WhiteDog wrote:
Whatever. To me you reek ignorance and just cry like a kid everytime you talk about France.
I don't feel bad at all, I am actually okay with destruction of property when fighting for social equality. From a strategic standpoint, history actually proved that destroying property actually work in a social conflict.
What I love in your post is that - somehow - my position on politics is representative of the french spirit. I don't think at all that I am representative of the "french culture" - if that was the case the political situation would be much different...
You, on the other hand, are pretty representative of that class of french people that would have loved to live in another country, ignorant about their own history and values, secretly hating on their french "brothers" and jalous of the "discipline" and the "civilized" behavior some other country seems to display. Your behavior is (to me) parasite-like, and I don't like it that much.
On October 08 2015 03:10 Incognoto wrote:
Hey, I'm not the one who is condoning physical violence and the destruction of property, in the name of some false "social equality" shit which is spouted by some demagogic, corrupt politicians and syndicates. On the other hand, you and a lot of French people seem to actively cheer on such destructive and toxic behavior. Don't feel bad if you get called out for it.
On October 08 2015 01:11 WhiteDog wrote:
Read yourself please.
On October 07 2015 23:09 Incognoto wrote:
You're RIGHT.
Personal and physical attacks are always such a nice and lovely thing.
You see what I mean now? The French are pretty hateful and happy when these sorts of occurrences take place. Lynching is nice; you're an asshole if you complain about it.
My God. This is France's problem. Hate and spite are so rampant. You have extremist parties getting more and more attention, you have lynches which are approved of by the French. Fuck. It's a disgrace to see that this sort of behavior is applauded in France. Yeah, it's barbaric and I'm going to fucking call it out if I want to because as a French person, I do give a shit about what French people do.
Edit: So I read the thread up until now and yeah pretty much confirms my views. I was being somewhat cynical but the unfortunate reality is that a large amount of French people truly believe that lynching and mob justice is the right way to do things. It's fucking pathetic. Comparing the scum of the cgt to the revolutionaries of 1789 is tasteless, crude, boring and disrespectful.
"He's rich, so it is JUSTIFIED that we physically assault him". My fucking God. I can't believe the stuff I read. It's like people and their private property don't even matter. The HR guy from Air France pays his taxes, probably x10 more than the shits who assaulted him, what more do you want from him? Strip him, beat him, make him pay? Disgusting. There's some "fraternité" right there.
It's this appalling mentality which is making France into the shithole of today. Him versus me. The rich vs the poor. The French versus immigrants. Fucking shit, the lot of it. Some French people have no fucking self-respect and make the entire country look bad with their antics. Absolutely terrible. Horrible.
On October 07 2015 18:04 WhiteDog wrote:
They tore down their shirts ho my god cry me a river.
And you read Le Monde and the inrockuptibles ? You hate your country deep down because we're so bad and all, "it's cultural". "We" are guilty, whatever it is, even we do the right thing (iraq ?).
God damn how stupid those arguments are. Two guy get their shirt destroyed and suddenly it's our entirely culture that is barbaric. 67 million people and a few hundred years of history resumed in one argument over 5000 people getting fired that sadly lead to the end of that poor shirt's life.
Please, leave the country and go see how civilized other countries are. Do yourself a favor.
They tore down their shirts ho my god cry me a river.
France has become an increasingly barbaric and depressing country. The people here are sick to the head, it's a cultural thing. I used to get sad about being bashed for being French (it's happened before when I lived in the USA) during the Iraq war. Now I've come to realize that French bashing is probably entirely justified. It makes me a little numb inside to realize that I'm actually a part of this shit country.
And you read Le Monde and the inrockuptibles ? You hate your country deep down because we're so bad and all, "it's cultural". "We" are guilty, whatever it is, even we do the right thing (iraq ?).
God damn how stupid those arguments are. Two guy get their shirt destroyed and suddenly it's our entirely culture that is barbaric. 67 million people and a few hundred years of history resumed in one argument over 5000 people getting fired that sadly lead to the end of that poor shirt's life.
Please, leave the country and go see how civilized other countries are. Do yourself a favor.
You're RIGHT.
Personal and physical attacks are always such a nice and lovely thing.
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What do you mean they czn get away ? They did something illegal, I'm pretty sure the authorities are doing everythibg for the individuals being prosecuted. What else do you want ?
You see what I mean now? The French are pretty hateful and happy when these sorts of occurrences take place. Lynching is nice; you're an asshole if you complain about it.
My God. This is France's problem. Hate and spite are so rampant. You have extremist parties getting more and more attention, you have lynches which are approved of by the French. Fuck. It's a disgrace to see that this sort of behavior is applauded in France. Yeah, it's barbaric and I'm going to fucking call it out if I want to because as a French person, I do give a shit about what French people do.
Edit: So I read the thread up until now and yeah pretty much confirms my views. I was being somewhat cynical but the unfortunate reality is that a large amount of French people truly believe that lynching and mob justice is the right way to do things. It's fucking pathetic. Comparing the scum of the cgt to the revolutionaries of 1789 is tasteless, crude, boring and disrespectful.
"He's rich, so it is JUSTIFIED that we physically assault him". My fucking God. I can't believe the stuff I read. It's like people and their private property don't even matter. The HR guy from Air France pays his taxes, probably x10 more than the shits who assaulted him, what more do you want from him? Strip him, beat him, make him pay? Disgusting. There's some "fraternité" right there.
It's this appalling mentality which is making France into the shithole of today. Him versus me. The rich vs the poor. The French versus immigrants. Fucking shit, the lot of it. Some French people have no fucking self-respect and make the entire country look bad with their antics. Absolutely terrible. Horrible.
Read yourself please.
Hey, I'm not the one who is condoning physical violence and the destruction of property, in the name of some false "social equality" shit which is spouted by some demagogic, corrupt politicians and syndicates. On the other hand, you and a lot of French people seem to actively cheer on such destructive and toxic behavior. Don't feel bad if you get called out for it.
Whatever. To me you reek ignorance and just cry like a kid everytime you talk about France.
I don't feel bad at all, I am actually okay with destruction of property when fighting for social equality. From a strategic standpoint, history actually proved that destroying property actually work in a social conflict.
What I love in your post is that - somehow - my position on politics is representative of the french spirit. I don't think at all that I am representative of the "french culture" - if that was the case the political situation would be much different...
You, on the other hand, are pretty representative of that class of french people that would have loved to live in another country, ignorant about their own history and values, secretly hating on their french "brothers" and jalous of the "discipline" and the "civilized" behavior some other country seems to display. Your behavior is (to me) parasite-like, and I don't like it that much.
Saying I hate France is a pretty low and personal insult, really at this point I don't give two shits what you think of me or my views of my country. I do reserve the right to violently criticize my country when it's doing something wrong.
Other countries are indeed doing some things right, much more than the crap we're doing in France, flinging shit at each like deranged monkeys. Divide and conquer, the government has achieved this perfectly. Tell me more garbage about things are going quite nicely in France as of right now: unemployment is going down, extremist parties are silly through their mere existence, immigrants are treated fairly, young people are finding prosperous new jobs in France (instead of going to foreign countries, lul).
Delusional. We're up shit-creek. Of course I'm not going to sugar-coat my views on France. We're going straight into a wall and we're going to drag down Europe with us.
Let's not sugar coat over the words you use : you said that france had barbaric culture. You are not criticizing anything, you're stigmatizing, and stupidly at that. Now you're actually trying to change the subject and argue that it's the government that is responsible.
In the tradition that Le Monde and the inrockuptible created for the privileged youth, here is the typical french that you propose : lazy (unemployment), racist (national front), and succeptible to lynch people out of jalousy (communist).
Show nested quote +
It's a disgrace to see that this sort of behavior is applauded in France. Yeah, it's barbaric and I'm going to fucking call it out if I want to because as a French person, I do give a shit about what French people do.
Why not quote me instead?
Subsequently, learn to read English. I said that the country (or rather, its atmosphere) is becoming increasingly barbaric, with more and more lynching, destruction of property, rise of crime rate (I'm quite sure that you haven't had your home broken into 8 times over the past few years?), rise of extremist parties.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_French_riots
Yeah, to me that's barbaric.
We had lynching this week. You're approving it, saying it's justified. I say fuck that. I don't condone behavior I would never permit myself. I'm not the one who is physically assaulting people, destroying property and causing a stir of shit. However, a fair amount of French people are. So yeah i'm going to call it out. Yes, i'm also going to call out the government because they are catalyzing this disgusting crap with their own incompetence (or maybe they want to force the French to choose between them or the FN? who knows?).
Hey, you know what, let's stop mucking up the thread with this garbage discussion either way. If you still have something you need to get off your chest, send me a PM. That way other people in this thread can go back to having a real discussion instead of being forced to read this garbage.
Ho sorry :
The people here are sick to the head, it's a cultural thing.
Indeed, I said that. I don't think that French culture is perfect. Far from it even. If you think that French culture (or any other culture really) is perfect and doesn't need to grow and develop, then you are deluded.
I don't even know what is "french culture". Can you please show me how what happened in Air France, the tower eiffel, the 1789 revolution and François Hollande driving throughout paris to meet his mistress are all part of a unified "culture" that can explain everything we are, our qualities and our "sickness" ? Show me the logic of France, our encyclopedia, please.
Joking aside, I don't have anything normative to say about France history, we did a lot of bad things and good things. Saying that we are "sick to the head" is something else entirely - especially if you pick out a few event and neglect the rest out of ignorance. Again, you're not criticizing anything, just stigmatizing.
Basically there are other codices that explain in more detail what the state is allowed to do. Currently those mostly deal with natural disasters, as such the expropriation of houses in the long term is not something easily done and essentially unjustifiable, but the exact legislation here differs by state. Also due to Germany's unfortunate history with this sort of thing the burden of proof the state needs to pass is much higher than what you make it sound like it is in the US.
