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The First French Republic was the first nation that adopted universal male suffrage in 1792. In the history of France, the First Republic, officially the French Republic (French: République française), was founded on 22 September 1792 during the French Revolution
The Civil Rights Movement or 1960s Civil Rights Movement, sometimes anachronistically referred to as the "African-American Civil Rights Movement" although the term "African-Americans" was not used in the 1960s, encompasses social movements in the United States whose goals were to end racial segregation and discrimination against black Americans and to secure legal recognition and federal protection of the citizenship rights enumerated in the Constitution and federal law. A wave of inner city riots in black communities from 1964 through 1970 undercut support from the white community. The emergence of the Black Power movement, which lasted from about 1966 to 1975, challenged the established black leadership for its cooperative attitude and its nonviolence, and instead demanded political and economic self-sufficiency.
and don't even get me started on LGBT 'cause i'll probably get banned for speaking about it.
Ah yes, the French didn't let women vote for another 150 years, is that somehow supposed to contradict anything? If you want to call some riots a war, be my guest. However I would argue that the civil right movement did not succeed because some yobbos fought against the police, they did not enforce any demands by overpowering the government.
On October 07 2015 20:31 Banaora wrote: If you want to call the French Revolution mob justice so be it. The western values we are so proud of did not come from our kings and the establishment.
And I don't see how you can compare lynching and shirt tearing. Or burning his house and shirt tearing. Omg poor guy. How much does he earn at Air France? 1 Mio (just guessing)? He will be able to buy a new shirt. And like the French people said the person who tore it will probably get sued. For me it's all okay.
Our values didn't come from the beheading of the aristocracy either.
How violent is a mob allowed to get then? How many does it take to make up a mob? What grievance allows you to bypass the entire judicial system (and the values which the judicial system is based upon which are integral to the western democracies)?
It all depends. (Today or 300 years ago. According to which laws. According to whom you ask.)
The shirt tearing will get prosecuted and I think that is good. That does not disqualify the protest as a whole though.
I actually don't know what you want. No one argues for bypassing the judicial system in such a situation today.
I'm asking you. Today.
You expressed agreement with the mob assaulting and tearing the shirt of the man as it supposedly "brought him back to reality". I want an explanation as to why you think that was justified.
On October 07 2015 20:31 Banaora wrote: If you want to call the French Revolution mob justice so be it. The western values we are so proud of did not come from our kings and the establishment.
And I don't see how you can compare lynching and shirt tearing. Or burning his house and shirt tearing. Omg poor guy. How much does he earn at Air France? 1 Mio (just guessing)? He will be able to buy a new shirt. And like the French people said the person who tore it will probably get sued. For me it's all okay.
Our values didn't come from the beheading of the aristocracy either.
How violent is a mob allowed to get then? How many does it take to make up a mob? What grievance allows you to bypass the entire judicial system (and the values which the judicial system is based upon which are integral to the western democracies)?
It all depends. (Today or 300 years ago. According to which laws. According to whom you ask.)
The shirt tearing will get prosecuted and I think that is good. That does not disqualify the protest as a whole though.
I actually don't know what you want. No one argues for bypassing the judicial system in such a situation today.
I'm asking you. Today.
You expressed agreement with the mob assaulting and tearing the shirt of the man as it supposedly "brought him back to reality". I want an explanation as to why you think that was justified.
No, I never expressed agreement with this particular action. There are worse things than a torn shirt so I expressed bewilderment that people make such a fuss about it and compare it with lynching or house burning. The thing I wrote about people living in a bubble and not seeing the reality as it is. Do you disagree there are people like this?
IF (and only if) he is one of those in the best case he starts thinking about why someone did this to him and maybe others in his position think about it. I think it's important for management to take responsibility for their workers too. If he was attacked without any reason it's a shame. In either case the attacker will be punished which is good.
A person who is protesting can if he wants to do so willfully break the law knowing the consequences and just decide to take the consequences. There is a reason for these protests.
I brought up the French revolution because I think it could explain the difference in culture between Germany and France. It was successful in France but crushed in Germany. If you see the revolution in Germany in 1848/1849 as a consequence of the French revolution.
On October 07 2015 20:31 Banaora wrote: If you want to call the French Revolution mob justice so be it. The western values we are so proud of did not come from our kings and the establishment.
And I don't see how you can compare lynching and shirt tearing. Or burning his house and shirt tearing. Omg poor guy. How much does he earn at Air France? 1 Mio (just guessing)? He will be able to buy a new shirt. And like the French people said the person who tore it will probably get sued. For me it's all okay.
Our values didn't come from the beheading of the aristocracy either.
How violent is a mob allowed to get then? How many does it take to make up a mob? What grievance allows you to bypass the entire judicial system (and the values which the judicial system is based upon which are integral to the western democracies)?
It all depends. (Today or 300 years ago. According to which laws. According to whom you ask.)
The shirt tearing will get prosecuted and I think that is good. That does not disqualify the protest as a whole though.
I actually don't know what you want. No one argues for bypassing the judicial system in such a situation today.
I'm asking you. Today.
You expressed agreement with the mob assaulting and tearing the shirt of the man as it supposedly "brought him back to reality". I want an explanation as to why you think that was justified.
No, I never expressed agreement with this particular action. There are worse things than a torn shirt so I expressed bewilderment that people make such a fuss about it and compare it with lynching or house burning. The thing I wrote about people living in a bubble and not seeing the reality as it is. Do you disagree there are people like this?
IF (and only if) he is one of those in the best case he starts thinking about why someone did this to him and maybe others in his position think about it. I think it's important for management to take responsibility for their workers too. If he was attacked without any reason it's a shame. In either case the attacker will be punished which is good.
Okay, let me correct my previous statement: You have argued that it is sometimes okay to physically assault people to "bring them back to reality". You even imply this again in this very post in the bolded part. This is a position I simply can't understand. To me it is an absolute disgrace that he was attacked. PERIOD. Of course there are worse things than a torn shirt, but that doesn't make it justifiable to tear people's shirts.
On October 08 2015 00:28 Banaora wrote: A person who is protesting can if he wants to do so willfully break the law knowing the consequences and just decide to take the consequences. There is a reason for these protests.
So as long as people are willing to suffer the consequences of their actions you think it is okay for them to act out?
On October 07 2015 22:00 Velr wrote: Nice, i support the 1291 rebells... But what exactly does that have to do with anything?
nope, you start from here: - can you tell me about a major social change that occurred during peace times?, or one that was peaceful in nature?
Let's see here, universal suffrage, the civil rights movement, LGBT rights maybe? Basically every change that happened since the second world war?
totally peaceful, yep.
The First French Republic was the first nation that adopted universal male suffrage in 1792. In the history of France, the First Republic, officially the French Republic (French: République française), was founded on 22 September 1792 during the French Revolution
The Civil Rights Movement or 1960s Civil Rights Movement, sometimes anachronistically referred to as the "African-American Civil Rights Movement" although the term "African-Americans" was not used in the 1960s, encompasses social movements in the United States whose goals were to end racial segregation and discrimination against black Americans and to secure legal recognition and federal protection of the citizenship rights enumerated in the Constitution and federal law. A wave of inner city riots in black communities from 1964 through 1970 undercut support from the white community. The emergence of the Black Power movement, which lasted from about 1966 to 1975, challenged the established black leadership for its cooperative attitude and its nonviolence, and instead demanded political and economic self-sufficiency.
and don't even get me started on LGBT 'cause i'll probably get banned for speaking about it.
Ah yes, the French didn't let women vote for another 150 years, is that somehow supposed to contradict anything? If you want to call some riots a war, be my guest. However I would argue that the civil right movement did not succeed because some yobbos fought against the police, they did not enforce any demands by overpowering the government.
you're arguing semantics(the corrections that were later added to those ideas/concepts). the ideas themselves, the ones you hold so dear today, were payed in blood; every fucking last one of them. they earned their right to exist because they've won. or, you fought for them, you won and then you got to keep them. no one gives you shit for free. there will be no great leap forward that will come out of peace; just small corrections/adjustments here and there based on what you can afford(monetary and psychologically wise).
also, every judgement you cast upon such revolutionary ideas is made in hindsight and just like you now praise them, so will your grand grand children praise the disappearance of those 1%. they'll consider it something good and you're my living proof of that. hindsight is a bitch. all they need to do is win and your laws will shatter and you'll be wrong and they'll be right.
On October 07 2015 18:04 WhiteDog wrote: They tore down their shirts ho my god cry me a river.
France has become an increasingly barbaric and depressing country. The people here are sick to the head, it's a cultural thing. I used to get sad about being bashed for being French (it's happened before when I lived in the USA) during the Iraq war. Now I've come to realize that French bashing is probably entirely justified. It makes me a little numb inside to realize that I'm actually a part of this shit country.
And you read Le Monde and the inrockuptibles ? You hate your country deep down because we're so bad and all, "it's cultural". "We" are guilty, whatever it is, even we do the right thing (iraq ?). God damn how stupid those arguments are. Two guy get their shirt destroyed and suddenly it's our entirely culture that is barbaric. 67 million people and a few hundred years of history resumed in one argument over 5000 people getting fired that sadly lead to the end of that poor shirt's life.
Please, leave the country and go see how civilized other countries are. Do yourself a favor.
You're RIGHT.
Personal and physical attacks are always such a nice and lovely thing.
What do you mean they czn get away ? They did something illegal, I'm pretty sure the authorities are doing everythibg for the individuals being prosecuted. What else do you want ?
You see what I mean now? The French are pretty hateful and happy when these sorts of occurrences take place. Lynching is nice; you're an asshole if you complain about it.
My God. This is France's problem. Hate and spite are so rampant. You have extremist parties getting more and more attention, you have lynches which are approved of by the French. Fuck. It's a disgrace to see that this sort of behavior is applauded in France. Yeah, it's barbaric and I'm going to fucking call it out if I want to because as a French person, I do give a shit about what French people do.
Edit: So I read the thread up until now and yeah pretty much confirms my views. I was being somewhat cynical but the unfortunate reality is that a large amount of French people truly believe that lynching and mob justice is the right way to do things. It's fucking pathetic. Comparing the scum of the cgt to the revolutionaries of 1789 is tasteless, crude, boring and disrespectful.
"He's rich, so it is JUSTIFIED that we physically assault him". My fucking God. I can't believe the stuff I read. It's like people and their private property don't even matter. The HR guy from Air France pays his taxes, probably x10 more than the shits who assaulted him, what more do you want from him? Strip him, beat him, make him pay? Disgusting. There's some "fraternité" right there.
It's this appalling mentality which is making France into the shithole of today. Him versus me. The rich vs the poor. The French versus immigrants. Fucking shit, the lot of it. Some French people have no fucking self-respect and make the entire country look bad with their antics. Absolutely terrible. Horrible.
When someone in a stronger position is treating you like shit just because he knows he is in the stronger position and you can't legally do anything about it other than maybe leave your job, yes I find it acceptable to show him he is not as untouchable as he thinks he is. It all depends very much on the circumstances.
In this case he was not physically harmed in any way that would last mind you. Something like breaking his arm or similar things would be totally unacceptable for me.
I actually think it's not important whether I think it is okay or not to act out which would again depend very much on the circumstances. I just state there are people protesting who think this way.
It depends on the circumstances in my opinion is smarter than absolute rules. But that's my opinion. I think I see the slippery slope that's why I added it depends on the circumstances. I would take the just punishment for my actions according to law if need be. Upto now this was not necessary.
Guy Verhofstadt advocating further strengthening of European integration, critisising the actual state of the union. The first few seconds are in German and French but the rest is in English.
On October 07 2015 18:04 WhiteDog wrote: They tore down their shirts ho my god cry me a river.
France has become an increasingly barbaric and depressing country. The people here are sick to the head, it's a cultural thing. I used to get sad about being bashed for being French (it's happened before when I lived in the USA) during the Iraq war. Now I've come to realize that French bashing is probably entirely justified. It makes me a little numb inside to realize that I'm actually a part of this shit country.
And you read Le Monde and the inrockuptibles ? You hate your country deep down because we're so bad and all, "it's cultural". "We" are guilty, whatever it is, even we do the right thing (iraq ?). God damn how stupid those arguments are. Two guy get their shirt destroyed and suddenly it's our entirely culture that is barbaric. 67 million people and a few hundred years of history resumed in one argument over 5000 people getting fired that sadly lead to the end of that poor shirt's life.
Please, leave the country and go see how civilized other countries are. Do yourself a favor.
You're RIGHT.
Personal and physical attacks are always such a nice and lovely thing.
What do you mean they czn get away ? They did something illegal, I'm pretty sure the authorities are doing everythibg for the individuals being prosecuted. What else do you want ?
You see what I mean now? The French are pretty hateful and happy when these sorts of occurrences take place. Lynching is nice; you're an asshole if you complain about it.
My God. This is France's problem. Hate and spite are so rampant. You have extremist parties getting more and more attention, you have lynches which are approved of by the French. Fuck. It's a disgrace to see that this sort of behavior is applauded in France. Yeah, it's barbaric and I'm going to fucking call it out if I want to because as a French person, I do give a shit about what French people do.
Edit: So I read the thread up until now and yeah pretty much confirms my views. I was being somewhat cynical but the unfortunate reality is that a large amount of French people truly believe that lynching and mob justice is the right way to do things. It's fucking pathetic. Comparing the scum of the cgt to the revolutionaries of 1789 is tasteless, crude, boring and disrespectful.
"He's rich, so it is JUSTIFIED that we physically assault him". My fucking God. I can't believe the stuff I read. It's like people and their private property don't even matter. The HR guy from Air France pays his taxes, probably x10 more than the shits who assaulted him, what more do you want from him? Strip him, beat him, make him pay? Disgusting. There's some "fraternité" right there.
It's this appalling mentality which is making France into the shithole of today. Him versus me. The rich vs the poor. The French versus immigrants. Fucking shit, the lot of it. Some French people have no fucking self-respect and make the entire country look bad with their antics. Absolutely terrible. Horrible.
Read yourself please.
Hey, I'm not the one who is condoning physical violence and the destruction of property, in the name of some false "social equality" shit which is spouted by some demagogic, corrupt politicians and syndicates. On the other hand, you and a lot of French people seem to actively cheer on such destructive and toxic behavior. Don't feel bad if you get called out for it.
On October 07 2015 18:04 WhiteDog wrote: They tore down their shirts ho my god cry me a river.
France has become an increasingly barbaric and depressing country. The people here are sick to the head, it's a cultural thing. I used to get sad about being bashed for being French (it's happened before when I lived in the USA) during the Iraq war. Now I've come to realize that French bashing is probably entirely justified. It makes me a little numb inside to realize that I'm actually a part of this shit country.
And you read Le Monde and the inrockuptibles ? You hate your country deep down because we're so bad and all, "it's cultural". "We" are guilty, whatever it is, even we do the right thing (iraq ?). God damn how stupid those arguments are. Two guy get their shirt destroyed and suddenly it's our entirely culture that is barbaric. 67 million people and a few hundred years of history resumed in one argument over 5000 people getting fired that sadly lead to the end of that poor shirt's life.
Please, leave the country and go see how civilized other countries are. Do yourself a favor.
You're RIGHT.
Personal and physical attacks are always such a nice and lovely thing.
What do you mean they czn get away ? They did something illegal, I'm pretty sure the authorities are doing everythibg for the individuals being prosecuted. What else do you want ?
You see what I mean now? The French are pretty hateful and happy when these sorts of occurrences take place. Lynching is nice; you're an asshole if you complain about it.
My God. This is France's problem. Hate and spite are so rampant. You have extremist parties getting more and more attention, you have lynches which are approved of by the French. Fuck. It's a disgrace to see that this sort of behavior is applauded in France. Yeah, it's barbaric and I'm going to fucking call it out if I want to because as a French person, I do give a shit about what French people do.
Edit: So I read the thread up until now and yeah pretty much confirms my views. I was being somewhat cynical but the unfortunate reality is that a large amount of French people truly believe that lynching and mob justice is the right way to do things. It's fucking pathetic. Comparing the scum of the cgt to the revolutionaries of 1789 is tasteless, crude, boring and disrespectful.
"He's rich, so it is JUSTIFIED that we physically assault him". My fucking God. I can't believe the stuff I read. It's like people and their private property don't even matter. The HR guy from Air France pays his taxes, probably x10 more than the shits who assaulted him, what more do you want from him? Strip him, beat him, make him pay? Disgusting. There's some "fraternité" right there.
It's this appalling mentality which is making France into the shithole of today. Him versus me. The rich vs the poor. The French versus immigrants. Fucking shit, the lot of it. Some French people have no fucking self-respect and make the entire country look bad with their antics. Absolutely terrible. Horrible.
Read yourself please.
Hey, I'm not the one who is condoning physical violence and the destruction of property, in the name of some false "social equality" shit which is spouted by some demagogic, corrupt politicians and syndicates. On the other hand, you and a lot of French people seem to actively cheer on such destructive and toxic behavior. Don't feel bad if you get called out for it.
Whatever. I don't feel bad at all, I am actually okay with destruction of property when fighting for social equality. From a strategic standpoint, history actually proved that destroying property actually work in a social conflict. What I love in your post is that - somehow - my position on politics is representative of the french spirit. I don't think at all that I am representative of the "french culture" - if that was the case the political situation would be much different... You, on the other hand, are pretty representative of that class of french people that would have loved to live in another country, ignorant about their own history and values, secretly hating on their french "brothers" and jalous of the "discipline" and the "civilized" behavior some other country seems to display. Your behavior is (to me) parasite-like, and I don't like it that much.
On October 07 2015 18:04 WhiteDog wrote: They tore down their shirts ho my god cry me a river.
France has become an increasingly barbaric and depressing country. The people here are sick to the head, it's a cultural thing. I used to get sad about being bashed for being French (it's happened before when I lived in the USA) during the Iraq war. Now I've come to realize that French bashing is probably entirely justified. It makes me a little numb inside to realize that I'm actually a part of this shit country.
And you read Le Monde and the inrockuptibles ? You hate your country deep down because we're so bad and all, "it's cultural". "We" are guilty, whatever it is, even we do the right thing (iraq ?). God damn how stupid those arguments are. Two guy get their shirt destroyed and suddenly it's our entirely culture that is barbaric. 67 million people and a few hundred years of history resumed in one argument over 5000 people getting fired that sadly lead to the end of that poor shirt's life.
Please, leave the country and go see how civilized other countries are. Do yourself a favor.
You're RIGHT.
Personal and physical attacks are always such a nice and lovely thing.
What do you mean they czn get away ? They did something illegal, I'm pretty sure the authorities are doing everythibg for the individuals being prosecuted. What else do you want ?
You see what I mean now? The French are pretty hateful and happy when these sorts of occurrences take place. Lynching is nice; you're an asshole if you complain about it.
My God. This is France's problem. Hate and spite are so rampant. You have extremist parties getting more and more attention, you have lynches which are approved of by the French. Fuck. It's a disgrace to see that this sort of behavior is applauded in France. Yeah, it's barbaric and I'm going to fucking call it out if I want to because as a French person, I do give a shit about what French people do.
Edit: So I read the thread up until now and yeah pretty much confirms my views. I was being somewhat cynical but the unfortunate reality is that a large amount of French people truly believe that lynching and mob justice is the right way to do things. It's fucking pathetic. Comparing the scum of the cgt to the revolutionaries of 1789 is tasteless, crude, boring and disrespectful.
"He's rich, so it is JUSTIFIED that we physically assault him". My fucking God. I can't believe the stuff I read. It's like people and their private property don't even matter. The HR guy from Air France pays his taxes, probably x10 more than the shits who assaulted him, what more do you want from him? Strip him, beat him, make him pay? Disgusting. There's some "fraternité" right there.
It's this appalling mentality which is making France into the shithole of today. Him versus me. The rich vs the poor. The French versus immigrants. Fucking shit, the lot of it. Some French people have no fucking self-respect and make the entire country look bad with their antics. Absolutely terrible. Horrible.
Read yourself please.
Hey, I'm not the one who is condoning physical violence and the destruction of property, in the name of some false "social equality" shit which is spouted by some demagogic, corrupt politicians and syndicates. On the other hand, you and a lot of French people seem to actively cheer on such destructive and toxic behavior. Don't feel bad if you get called out for it.
Whatever. To me you reek ignorance and just cry like a kid everytime you talk about France. I don't feel bad at all, I am actually okay with destruction of property when fighting for social equality. From a strategic standpoint, history actually proved that destroying property actually work in a social conflict. What I love in your post is that - somehow - my position on politics is representative of the french spirit. I don't think at all that I am representative of the "french culture" - if that was the case the political situation would be much different... You, on the other hand, are pretty representative of that class of french people that would have loved to live in another country, ignorant about their own history and values, secretly hating on their french "brothers" and jalous of the "discipline" and the "civilized" behavior some other country seems to display. Your behavior is (to me) parasite-like, and I don't like it that much.
Saying I hate France is a pretty low and personal insult, really at this point I don't give two shits what you think of me or my views of my country. I do reserve the right to violently criticize my country when it's doing something wrong.
Other countries are indeed doing some things right, much more than the crap we're doing in France, flinging shit at each like deranged monkeys. Divide and conquer, the government has achieved this perfectly. Tell me more garbage about things are going quite nicely in France as of right now: unemployment is going down, extremist parties are silly through their mere existence, immigrants are treated fairly, young people are finding prosperous new jobs in France (instead of going to foreign countries, lul).
Delusional. We're up shit-creek. Of course I'm not going to sugar-coat my views on France. We're going straight into a wall and we're going to drag down Europe with us.
On October 07 2015 18:04 WhiteDog wrote: They tore down their shirts ho my god cry me a river.
France has become an increasingly barbaric and depressing country. The people here are sick to the head, it's a cultural thing. I used to get sad about being bashed for being French (it's happened before when I lived in the USA) during the Iraq war. Now I've come to realize that French bashing is probably entirely justified. It makes me a little numb inside to realize that I'm actually a part of this shit country.
And you read Le Monde and the inrockuptibles ? You hate your country deep down because we're so bad and all, "it's cultural". "We" are guilty, whatever it is, even we do the right thing (iraq ?). God damn how stupid those arguments are. Two guy get their shirt destroyed and suddenly it's our entirely culture that is barbaric. 67 million people and a few hundred years of history resumed in one argument over 5000 people getting fired that sadly lead to the end of that poor shirt's life.
Please, leave the country and go see how civilized other countries are. Do yourself a favor.
You're RIGHT.
Personal and physical attacks are always such a nice and lovely thing.
What do you mean they czn get away ? They did something illegal, I'm pretty sure the authorities are doing everythibg for the individuals being prosecuted. What else do you want ?
You see what I mean now? The French are pretty hateful and happy when these sorts of occurrences take place. Lynching is nice; you're an asshole if you complain about it.
My God. This is France's problem. Hate and spite are so rampant. You have extremist parties getting more and more attention, you have lynches which are approved of by the French. Fuck. It's a disgrace to see that this sort of behavior is applauded in France. Yeah, it's barbaric and I'm going to fucking call it out if I want to because as a French person, I do give a shit about what French people do.
Edit: So I read the thread up until now and yeah pretty much confirms my views. I was being somewhat cynical but the unfortunate reality is that a large amount of French people truly believe that lynching and mob justice is the right way to do things. It's fucking pathetic. Comparing the scum of the cgt to the revolutionaries of 1789 is tasteless, crude, boring and disrespectful.
"He's rich, so it is JUSTIFIED that we physically assault him". My fucking God. I can't believe the stuff I read. It's like people and their private property don't even matter. The HR guy from Air France pays his taxes, probably x10 more than the shits who assaulted him, what more do you want from him? Strip him, beat him, make him pay? Disgusting. There's some "fraternité" right there.
It's this appalling mentality which is making France into the shithole of today. Him versus me. The rich vs the poor. The French versus immigrants. Fucking shit, the lot of it. Some French people have no fucking self-respect and make the entire country look bad with their antics. Absolutely terrible. Horrible.
Read yourself please.
Hey, I'm not the one who is condoning physical violence and the destruction of property, in the name of some false "social equality" shit which is spouted by some demagogic, corrupt politicians and syndicates. On the other hand, you and a lot of French people seem to actively cheer on such destructive and toxic behavior. Don't feel bad if you get called out for it.
Whatever. To me you reek ignorance and just cry like a kid everytime you talk about France. I don't feel bad at all, I am actually okay with destruction of property when fighting for social equality. From a strategic standpoint, history actually proved that destroying property actually work in a social conflict. What I love in your post is that - somehow - my position on politics is representative of the french spirit. I don't think at all that I am representative of the "french culture" - if that was the case the political situation would be much different... You, on the other hand, are pretty representative of that class of french people that would have loved to live in another country, ignorant about their own history and values, secretly hating on their french "brothers" and jalous of the "discipline" and the "civilized" behavior some other country seems to display. Your behavior is (to me) parasite-like, and I don't like it that much.
Saying I hate France is a pretty low and personal insult, really at this point I don't give two shits what you think of me or my views of my country. I do reserve the right to violently criticize my country when it's doing something wrong.
Other countries are indeed doing some things right, much more than the crap we're doing in France, flinging shit at each like deranged monkeys. Divide and conquer, the government has achieved this perfectly. Tell me more garbage about things are going quite nicely in France as of right now: unemployment is going down, extremist parties are silly through their mere existence, immigrants are treated fairly, young people are finding prosperous new jobs in France (instead of going to foreign countries, lul).
Delusional. We're up shit-creek. Of course I'm not going to sugar-coat my views on France. We're going straight into a wall and we're going to drag down Europe with us.
Let's not sugar coat over the words you use : you said that france had barbaric culture. You are not criticizing anything, you're stigmatizing, and stupidly at that. Now you're actually trying to change the subject and argue that it's the government that is responsible.
In the tradition that Le Monde and the inrockuptible created for the privileged youth, here is the typical french that you propose : lazy (unemployment), racist (national front), and succeptible to lynch people out of jalousy (certainly a communist).
On October 07 2015 18:04 WhiteDog wrote: They tore down their shirts ho my god cry me a river.
France has become an increasingly barbaric and depressing country. The people here are sick to the head, it's a cultural thing. I used to get sad about being bashed for being French (it's happened before when I lived in the USA) during the Iraq war. Now I've come to realize that French bashing is probably entirely justified. It makes me a little numb inside to realize that I'm actually a part of this shit country.
And you read Le Monde and the inrockuptibles ? You hate your country deep down because we're so bad and all, "it's cultural". "We" are guilty, whatever it is, even we do the right thing (iraq ?). God damn how stupid those arguments are. Two guy get their shirt destroyed and suddenly it's our entirely culture that is barbaric. 67 million people and a few hundred years of history resumed in one argument over 5000 people getting fired that sadly lead to the end of that poor shirt's life.
Please, leave the country and go see how civilized other countries are. Do yourself a favor.
You're RIGHT.
Personal and physical attacks are always such a nice and lovely thing.
What do you mean they czn get away ? They did something illegal, I'm pretty sure the authorities are doing everythibg for the individuals being prosecuted. What else do you want ?
You see what I mean now? The French are pretty hateful and happy when these sorts of occurrences take place. Lynching is nice; you're an asshole if you complain about it.
My God. This is France's problem. Hate and spite are so rampant. You have extremist parties getting more and more attention, you have lynches which are approved of by the French. Fuck. It's a disgrace to see that this sort of behavior is applauded in France. Yeah, it's barbaric and I'm going to fucking call it out if I want to because as a French person, I do give a shit about what French people do.
Edit: So I read the thread up until now and yeah pretty much confirms my views. I was being somewhat cynical but the unfortunate reality is that a large amount of French people truly believe that lynching and mob justice is the right way to do things. It's fucking pathetic. Comparing the scum of the cgt to the revolutionaries of 1789 is tasteless, crude, boring and disrespectful.
"He's rich, so it is JUSTIFIED that we physically assault him". My fucking God. I can't believe the stuff I read. It's like people and their private property don't even matter. The HR guy from Air France pays his taxes, probably x10 more than the shits who assaulted him, what more do you want from him? Strip him, beat him, make him pay? Disgusting. There's some "fraternité" right there.
It's this appalling mentality which is making France into the shithole of today. Him versus me. The rich vs the poor. The French versus immigrants. Fucking shit, the lot of it. Some French people have no fucking self-respect and make the entire country look bad with their antics. Absolutely terrible. Horrible.
Read yourself please.
Hey, I'm not the one who is condoning physical violence and the destruction of property, in the name of some false "social equality" shit which is spouted by some demagogic, corrupt politicians and syndicates. On the other hand, you and a lot of French people seem to actively cheer on such destructive and toxic behavior. Don't feel bad if you get called out for it.
Whatever. To me you reek ignorance and just cry like a kid everytime you talk about France. I don't feel bad at all, I am actually okay with destruction of property when fighting for social equality. From a strategic standpoint, history actually proved that destroying property actually work in a social conflict. What I love in your post is that - somehow - my position on politics is representative of the french spirit. I don't think at all that I am representative of the "french culture" - if that was the case the political situation would be much different... You, on the other hand, are pretty representative of that class of french people that would have loved to live in another country, ignorant about their own history and values, secretly hating on their french "brothers" and jalous of the "discipline" and the "civilized" behavior some other country seems to display. Your behavior is (to me) parasite-like, and I don't like it that much.
Saying I hate France is a pretty low and personal insult, really at this point I don't give two shits what you think of me or my views of my country. I do reserve the right to violently criticize my country when it's doing something wrong.
Other countries are indeed doing some things right, much more than the crap we're doing in France, flinging shit at each like deranged monkeys. Divide and conquer, the government has achieved this perfectly. Tell me more garbage about things are going quite nicely in France as of right now: unemployment is going down, extremist parties are silly through their mere existence, immigrants are treated fairly, young people are finding prosperous new jobs in France (instead of going to foreign countries, lul).
Delusional. We're up shit-creek. Of course I'm not going to sugar-coat my views on France. We're going straight into a wall and we're going to drag down Europe with us.
Let's not sugar coat over the words you use : you said that france had barbaric culture. You are not criticizing anything, you're stigmatizing, and stupidly at that. Now you're actually trying to change the subject and argue that it's the government that is responsible.
And you full on supported his statement btw, by saying "i'm fine with violence, it helps - it's proven" (obviously without stating an actual source for that, but meh).
On October 07 2015 18:04 WhiteDog wrote: They tore down their shirts ho my god cry me a river.
France has become an increasingly barbaric and depressing country. The people here are sick to the head, it's a cultural thing. I used to get sad about being bashed for being French (it's happened before when I lived in the USA) during the Iraq war. Now I've come to realize that French bashing is probably entirely justified. It makes me a little numb inside to realize that I'm actually a part of this shit country.
And you read Le Monde and the inrockuptibles ? You hate your country deep down because we're so bad and all, "it's cultural". "We" are guilty, whatever it is, even we do the right thing (iraq ?). God damn how stupid those arguments are. Two guy get their shirt destroyed and suddenly it's our entirely culture that is barbaric. 67 million people and a few hundred years of history resumed in one argument over 5000 people getting fired that sadly lead to the end of that poor shirt's life.
Please, leave the country and go see how civilized other countries are. Do yourself a favor.
You're RIGHT.
Personal and physical attacks are always such a nice and lovely thing.
What do you mean they czn get away ? They did something illegal, I'm pretty sure the authorities are doing everythibg for the individuals being prosecuted. What else do you want ?
You see what I mean now? The French are pretty hateful and happy when these sorts of occurrences take place. Lynching is nice; you're an asshole if you complain about it.
My God. This is France's problem. Hate and spite are so rampant. You have extremist parties getting more and more attention, you have lynches which are approved of by the French. Fuck. It's a disgrace to see that this sort of behavior is applauded in France. Yeah, it's barbaric and I'm going to fucking call it out if I want to because as a French person, I do give a shit about what French people do.
Edit: So I read the thread up until now and yeah pretty much confirms my views. I was being somewhat cynical but the unfortunate reality is that a large amount of French people truly believe that lynching and mob justice is the right way to do things. It's fucking pathetic. Comparing the scum of the cgt to the revolutionaries of 1789 is tasteless, crude, boring and disrespectful.
"He's rich, so it is JUSTIFIED that we physically assault him". My fucking God. I can't believe the stuff I read. It's like people and their private property don't even matter. The HR guy from Air France pays his taxes, probably x10 more than the shits who assaulted him, what more do you want from him? Strip him, beat him, make him pay? Disgusting. There's some "fraternité" right there.
It's this appalling mentality which is making France into the shithole of today. Him versus me. The rich vs the poor. The French versus immigrants. Fucking shit, the lot of it. Some French people have no fucking self-respect and make the entire country look bad with their antics. Absolutely terrible. Horrible.
Read yourself please.
Hey, I'm not the one who is condoning physical violence and the destruction of property, in the name of some false "social equality" shit which is spouted by some demagogic, corrupt politicians and syndicates. On the other hand, you and a lot of French people seem to actively cheer on such destructive and toxic behavior. Don't feel bad if you get called out for it.
Whatever. To me you reek ignorance and just cry like a kid everytime you talk about France. I don't feel bad at all, I am actually okay with destruction of property when fighting for social equality. From a strategic standpoint, history actually proved that destroying property actually work in a social conflict. What I love in your post is that - somehow - my position on politics is representative of the french spirit. I don't think at all that I am representative of the "french culture" - if that was the case the political situation would be much different... You, on the other hand, are pretty representative of that class of french people that would have loved to live in another country, ignorant about their own history and values, secretly hating on their french "brothers" and jalous of the "discipline" and the "civilized" behavior some other country seems to display. Your behavior is (to me) parasite-like, and I don't like it that much.
Saying I hate France is a pretty low and personal insult, really at this point I don't give two shits what you think of me or my views of my country. I do reserve the right to violently criticize my country when it's doing something wrong.
Other countries are indeed doing some things right, much more than the crap we're doing in France, flinging shit at each like deranged monkeys. Divide and conquer, the government has achieved this perfectly. Tell me more garbage about things are going quite nicely in France as of right now: unemployment is going down, extremist parties are silly through their mere existence, immigrants are treated fairly, young people are finding prosperous new jobs in France (instead of going to foreign countries, lul).
Delusional. We're up shit-creek. Of course I'm not going to sugar-coat my views on France. We're going straight into a wall and we're going to drag down Europe with us.
Let's not sugar coat over the words you use : you said that france had barbaric culture. You are not criticizing anything, you're stigmatizing, and stupidly at that. Now you're actually trying to change the subject and argue that it's the government that is responsible.
And you full on supported his statement btw, by saying "i'm fine with violence, it helps - it's proven" (obviously without stating an actual source for that, but meh).
So I'm France ?
I need a source to prove it works. Really please, think about things before posting.
On October 07 2015 18:04 WhiteDog wrote: They tore down their shirts ho my god cry me a river.
France has become an increasingly barbaric and depressing country. The people here are sick to the head, it's a cultural thing. I used to get sad about being bashed for being French (it's happened before when I lived in the USA) during the Iraq war. Now I've come to realize that French bashing is probably entirely justified. It makes me a little numb inside to realize that I'm actually a part of this shit country.
And you read Le Monde and the inrockuptibles ? You hate your country deep down because we're so bad and all, "it's cultural". "We" are guilty, whatever it is, even we do the right thing (iraq ?). God damn how stupid those arguments are. Two guy get their shirt destroyed and suddenly it's our entirely culture that is barbaric. 67 million people and a few hundred years of history resumed in one argument over 5000 people getting fired that sadly lead to the end of that poor shirt's life.
Please, leave the country and go see how civilized other countries are. Do yourself a favor.
You're RIGHT.
Personal and physical attacks are always such a nice and lovely thing.
What do you mean they czn get away ? They did something illegal, I'm pretty sure the authorities are doing everythibg for the individuals being prosecuted. What else do you want ?
You see what I mean now? The French are pretty hateful and happy when these sorts of occurrences take place. Lynching is nice; you're an asshole if you complain about it.
My God. This is France's problem. Hate and spite are so rampant. You have extremist parties getting more and more attention, you have lynches which are approved of by the French. Fuck. It's a disgrace to see that this sort of behavior is applauded in France. Yeah, it's barbaric and I'm going to fucking call it out if I want to because as a French person, I do give a shit about what French people do.
Edit: So I read the thread up until now and yeah pretty much confirms my views. I was being somewhat cynical but the unfortunate reality is that a large amount of French people truly believe that lynching and mob justice is the right way to do things. It's fucking pathetic. Comparing the scum of the cgt to the revolutionaries of 1789 is tasteless, crude, boring and disrespectful.
"He's rich, so it is JUSTIFIED that we physically assault him". My fucking God. I can't believe the stuff I read. It's like people and their private property don't even matter. The HR guy from Air France pays his taxes, probably x10 more than the shits who assaulted him, what more do you want from him? Strip him, beat him, make him pay? Disgusting. There's some "fraternité" right there.
It's this appalling mentality which is making France into the shithole of today. Him versus me. The rich vs the poor. The French versus immigrants. Fucking shit, the lot of it. Some French people have no fucking self-respect and make the entire country look bad with their antics. Absolutely terrible. Horrible.
Read yourself please.
Hey, I'm not the one who is condoning physical violence and the destruction of property, in the name of some false "social equality" shit which is spouted by some demagogic, corrupt politicians and syndicates. On the other hand, you and a lot of French people seem to actively cheer on such destructive and toxic behavior. Don't feel bad if you get called out for it.
Whatever. To me you reek ignorance and just cry like a kid everytime you talk about France. I don't feel bad at all, I am actually okay with destruction of property when fighting for social equality. From a strategic standpoint, history actually proved that destroying property actually work in a social conflict. What I love in your post is that - somehow - my position on politics is representative of the french spirit. I don't think at all that I am representative of the "french culture" - if that was the case the political situation would be much different... You, on the other hand, are pretty representative of that class of french people that would have loved to live in another country, ignorant about their own history and values, secretly hating on their french "brothers" and jalous of the "discipline" and the "civilized" behavior some other country seems to display. Your behavior is (to me) parasite-like, and I don't like it that much.
Saying I hate France is a pretty low and personal insult, really at this point I don't give two shits what you think of me or my views of my country. I do reserve the right to violently criticize my country when it's doing something wrong.
Other countries are indeed doing some things right, much more than the crap we're doing in France, flinging shit at each like deranged monkeys. Divide and conquer, the government has achieved this perfectly. Tell me more garbage about things are going quite nicely in France as of right now: unemployment is going down, extremist parties are silly through their mere existence, immigrants are treated fairly, young people are finding prosperous new jobs in France (instead of going to foreign countries, lul).
Delusional. We're up shit-creek. Of course I'm not going to sugar-coat my views on France. We're going straight into a wall and we're going to drag down Europe with us.
Let's not sugar coat over the words you use : you said that france had barbaric culture. You are not criticizing anything, you're stigmatizing, and stupidly at that. Now you're actually trying to change the subject and argue that it's the government that is responsible.
In the tradition that Le Monde and the inrockuptible created for the privileged youth, here is the typical french that you propose : lazy (unemployment), racist (national front), and succeptible to lynch people out of jalousy (communist).
France has become an increasingly barbaric and depressing country.
It's a disgrace to see that this sort of behavior is applauded in France. Yeah, it's barbaric and I'm going to fucking call it out if I want to because as a French person, I do give a shit about what French people do.
Why not quote me instead?
Subsequently, learn to read English. I said that the country (or rather, its atmosphere) is becoming increasingly barbaric, with more and more lynching, destruction of property, rise of crime rate (I'm quite sure that you haven't had your home broken into 8 times over the past few years?), rise of extremist parties.
We had lynching this week. You're approving it, saying it's justified. I say fuck that. I don't condone behavior I would never permit myself. I'm not the one who is physically assaulting people, destroying property and causing a stir of shit. However, a fair amount of French people are. So yeah i'm going to call it out. Yes, i'm also going to call out the government because they are catalyzing this disgusting crap with their own incompetence (or maybe they want to force the French to choose between them or the FN? who knows?).
Hey, you know what, let's stop mucking up the thread with this garbage discussion either way. If you still have something you need to get off your chest, send me a PM. That way other people in this thread can go back to having a real discussion instead of being forced to read this garbage.
On October 07 2015 18:04 WhiteDog wrote: They tore down their shirts ho my god cry me a river.
France has become an increasingly barbaric and depressing country. The people here are sick to the head, it's a cultural thing. I used to get sad about being bashed for being French (it's happened before when I lived in the USA) during the Iraq war. Now I've come to realize that French bashing is probably entirely justified. It makes me a little numb inside to realize that I'm actually a part of this shit country.
And you read Le Monde and the inrockuptibles ? You hate your country deep down because we're so bad and all, "it's cultural". "We" are guilty, whatever it is, even we do the right thing (iraq ?). God damn how stupid those arguments are. Two guy get their shirt destroyed and suddenly it's our entirely culture that is barbaric. 67 million people and a few hundred years of history resumed in one argument over 5000 people getting fired that sadly lead to the end of that poor shirt's life.
Please, leave the country and go see how civilized other countries are. Do yourself a favor.
You're RIGHT.
Personal and physical attacks are always such a nice and lovely thing.
What do you mean they czn get away ? They did something illegal, I'm pretty sure the authorities are doing everythibg for the individuals being prosecuted. What else do you want ?
You see what I mean now? The French are pretty hateful and happy when these sorts of occurrences take place. Lynching is nice; you're an asshole if you complain about it.
My God. This is France's problem. Hate and spite are so rampant. You have extremist parties getting more and more attention, you have lynches which are approved of by the French. Fuck. It's a disgrace to see that this sort of behavior is applauded in France. Yeah, it's barbaric and I'm going to fucking call it out if I want to because as a French person, I do give a shit about what French people do.
Edit: So I read the thread up until now and yeah pretty much confirms my views. I was being somewhat cynical but the unfortunate reality is that a large amount of French people truly believe that lynching and mob justice is the right way to do things. It's fucking pathetic. Comparing the scum of the cgt to the revolutionaries of 1789 is tasteless, crude, boring and disrespectful.
"He's rich, so it is JUSTIFIED that we physically assault him". My fucking God. I can't believe the stuff I read. It's like people and their private property don't even matter. The HR guy from Air France pays his taxes, probably x10 more than the shits who assaulted him, what more do you want from him? Strip him, beat him, make him pay? Disgusting. There's some "fraternité" right there.
It's this appalling mentality which is making France into the shithole of today. Him versus me. The rich vs the poor. The French versus immigrants. Fucking shit, the lot of it. Some French people have no fucking self-respect and make the entire country look bad with their antics. Absolutely terrible. Horrible.
Read yourself please.
Hey, I'm not the one who is condoning physical violence and the destruction of property, in the name of some false "social equality" shit which is spouted by some demagogic, corrupt politicians and syndicates. On the other hand, you and a lot of French people seem to actively cheer on such destructive and toxic behavior. Don't feel bad if you get called out for it.
Whatever. To me you reek ignorance and just cry like a kid everytime you talk about France. I don't feel bad at all, I am actually okay with destruction of property when fighting for social equality. From a strategic standpoint, history actually proved that destroying property actually work in a social conflict. What I love in your post is that - somehow - my position on politics is representative of the french spirit. I don't think at all that I am representative of the "french culture" - if that was the case the political situation would be much different... You, on the other hand, are pretty representative of that class of french people that would have loved to live in another country, ignorant about their own history and values, secretly hating on their french "brothers" and jalous of the "discipline" and the "civilized" behavior some other country seems to display. Your behavior is (to me) parasite-like, and I don't like it that much.
Saying I hate France is a pretty low and personal insult, really at this point I don't give two shits what you think of me or my views of my country. I do reserve the right to violently criticize my country when it's doing something wrong.
Other countries are indeed doing some things right, much more than the crap we're doing in France, flinging shit at each like deranged monkeys. Divide and conquer, the government has achieved this perfectly. Tell me more garbage about things are going quite nicely in France as of right now: unemployment is going down, extremist parties are silly through their mere existence, immigrants are treated fairly, young people are finding prosperous new jobs in France (instead of going to foreign countries, lul).
Delusional. We're up shit-creek. Of course I'm not going to sugar-coat my views on France. We're going straight into a wall and we're going to drag down Europe with us.
Let's not sugar coat over the words you use : you said that france had barbaric culture. You are not criticizing anything, you're stigmatizing, and stupidly at that. Now you're actually trying to change the subject and argue that it's the government that is responsible.
In the tradition that Le Monde and the inrockuptible created for the privileged youth, here is the typical french that you propose : lazy (unemployment), racist (national front), and succeptible to lynch people out of jalousy (communist).
It's a disgrace to see that this sort of behavior is applauded in France. Yeah, it's barbaric and I'm going to fucking call it out if I want to because as a French person, I do give a shit about what French people do.
Why not quote me instead?
Subsequently, learn to read English. I said that the country (or rather, its atmosphere) is becoming increasingly barbaric, with more and more lynching, destruction of property, rise of crime rate (I'm quite sure that you haven't had your home broken into 8 times over the past few years?), rise of extremist parties.
We had lynching this week. You're approving it, saying it's justified. I say fuck that. I don't condone behavior I would never permit myself. I'm not the one who is physically assaulting people, destroying property and causing a stir of shit. However, a fair amount of French people are. So yeah i'm going to call it out. Yes, i'm also going to call out the government because they are catalyzing this disgusting crap with their own incompetence (or maybe they want to force the French to choose between them or the FN? who knows?).
Hey, you know what, let's stop mucking up the thread with this garbage discussion either way. If you still have something you need to get off your chest, send me a PM. That way other people in this thread can go back to having a real discussion instead of being forced to read this garbage.
Ho sorry. It's true, we're not barbaric, we're sick...
The people here are sick to the head, it's a cultural thing. [...] Now I've come to realize that French bashing is probably entirely justified. It makes me a little numb inside to realize that I'm actually a part of this shit country.
By the way, I don't understand why you link the wiki page of the french riots : the same kind of riot happen in many other countries. In the US, many times, in London some years ago. Is it enough to say the UK and the US also are barbaric countries "sick to the head" ?
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