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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On September 25 2018 02:47 TheDwf wrote: What? Why are you talking about catholic stuff? Because I think it's quite ridiculous how the Le Pen especially positions herself as an anti-Islamist and secular crusaders, yet also propagates religious identity every chance she gets | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
- always prominently publish ethnicity with crimes - sexual crimes should be published very proactively by the policy - Certain media should be reduced to minimal information and not cooperated with by the police. Explicitly mentioned are "Der Falter" (left-wing Viennese weekly paper, mainly known for its investigative journalism in questions of corruption), "Der Standard" (the mainstream liberal bourgeoise medium) and "Der Kurier" (a newspaper which is usually considered to be close to the conservative ÖVP-party). The Article from the leading conservative Austrian newspaper "Die Presse" in German language: https://diepresse.com/home/innenpolitik/5502089/Kickl-will-Informationssperre-fuer-kritische-Medien | ||
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solidbebe
Netherlands4921 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On September 25 2018 03:59 solidbebe wrote: So basically another call to undermine the justice system from the far-right. What else is new? I'm more worried about the outright attack on the free press. I don't like when sensible issues like violent crimes are missused for propaganda, but outright naming papers that should not be cooperated with is beyond frigthening. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On September 25 2018 03:18 Big J wrote: The Austrian interior minister Herbet Kickl (mastermind of the far-right FPÖ of the past years) has adressed the police to change their press policy: - always prominently publish ethnicity with crimes Sweet racist use of the confirmation bias | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 25 2018 05:58 TheDwf wrote: Sweet racist use of the confirmation bias They are going to be really bummed out when the overwhelming majority of the crimes are committed by Austrians. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
The demand to give information only to politically aligned media is just a plain attempt to kill democracy. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 25 2018 06:11 Dangermousecatdog wrote: I actually don't understand that part. Surely if suspects are released publicly to help identify and capture them, then surely "ethnicity" would be released as a distinguishing feature of a suspect as expected? You know, like suspect for rape in a park, tall athletic man with broad nose, wearing xyz coloured clothing. German ethnicity. Anybody with information or sighting of such a man please forward to the police. The demand to give information only to politically aligned media is just a plain attempt to kill democracy. What if I told you they are super racist and want to prominently publish the ethnicity of criminals to make people scared of brown people? That they would force the news organizations to publish daily reports on the number of brown people committing crimes if they could. Never treat a obvious racists like good faith actors. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On September 25 2018 06:08 Plansix wrote: They are going to be really bummed out when the overwhelming majority of the crimes are committed by Austrians. Haha yeah, they will be disappointed for sure In other news, the Aquarius is demanding to land in Marseille. We will see how Macron, the self-labelled "progressist" who lectures far-right leaders on the subject, will react. Will he finally have some decence on the matter? No clear answer from the French executive so far, except "we're working on a European solution" (because a 67 millions people country cannot handle 58 persons alone LOL) | ||
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Simberto
Germany11645 Posts
On September 25 2018 06:18 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Yes, but it would be counterproductive, seeing as they would be reporting all crimes with Austrian suspects, or already has been. But that doesn't matter. They just want rightwing media to be able to go "Muslim brown guy stole 3 apples!" everytime an ethnicity they don't like does something. It doesn't matter if it is not happening more statistically often then with white austrian dudes. If you just selectively report only on the cases that fit your agenda, that is enough to provide the perception that evil brown people are sieging the pureblooded austrians with their evil crimes. Unless literally no crimes by ethniticities that they don't like happen (Which is unlikely, because every population group has some criminals), they can use that to twist public perception. And whenever evil migrants are a constant topic of discussion, rightwing parties win. It doesn't matter if that is really a true problem or not, the perception is enough. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18132 Posts
On September 25 2018 06:11 Dangermousecatdog wrote: I actually don't understand that part. Surely if suspects are released publicly to help identify and capture them, then surely "ethnicity" would be released as a distinguishing feature of a suspect as expected? You know, like suspect for rape in a park, tall athletic man with broad nose, wearing xyz coloured clothing. German ethnicity. Anybody with information or sighting of such a man please forward to the police. The demand to give information only to politically aligned media is just a plain attempt to kill democracy. Yeah, I don't think this is about that. Pretty sure this is: "We have arrested the caucasian male Josef for beating on his wife". Except they aren't interested in when the crime was committed by a "caucasian". | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18132 Posts
On September 25 2018 06:18 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Yes, but it would be counterproductive, seeing as they would be reporting all crimes with Austrian suspects, or already has been. Ethnicity isn't nationality. Ethnicity is some rather murky crap where we invent fancy words for white and brown in order to pretend it isn't racist as fuck. | ||
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pmh
1366 Posts
On September 21 2018 15:47 RvB wrote: Yet nobody but the rich have the money to live there. Pretty much all young people have trouble buying a place to live. Have you seen the prices in Amsterdam? It's near impossible to buy something and I'm not just talking about the city center. We're basically locking out 1000s of people from living in the most productive parts of the country because some people can't stomach some more houses built next to theirs. well,new York has tons of high rises and its even more expensive then Amsterdam,maybe like 5 times as expensive for manhattan compared to the "binnenring" (downtown Amsterdam pretty much). You cant build in the innercity of Amsterdam,like there is no space. And highrise is difficult in the Netherlands in general because of the foundation needed,it doesn't make much sense. They have been building lots near Amsterdam still,for example "yburg" lots of apartments and yes still quiet expensive. Its like that in every city in the world. Differences are growing world wide,differences in every possible area. Like for example also the difference between a top location for a house and an average location which in the end is a result of growing inequality I think. | ||
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warding
Portugal2394 Posts
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On September 25 2018 06:47 TheDwf wrote: Haha yeah, they will be disappointed for sure In other news, the Aquarius is demanding to land in Marseille. We will see how Macron, the self-labelled "progressist" who lectures far-right leaders on the subject, will react. Will he finally have some decence on the matter? No clear answer from the French executive so far, except "we're working on a European solution" (because a 67 millions people country cannot handle 58 persons alone LOL) Aaaand as expected, France refuses to welcome the Aquarius so far. Macron is just so full of s*** | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4733 Posts
On September 25 2018 19:04 warding wrote: Is it even legal for a national authority to report the ethnicity of a crime suspect in Europe? Here it's illegal for any public authority to keep record of the ethnicity of our citizens. I thought this was a EU thing. I've never heard anyone in Europe talk about 'caucasians', which is the dumbest possible classification btw. I dont think its EU thing, sure we dont use "caucasian" etc. since its stupid and not really helpful but You can see that plenty of news sources reports things like "French citizen of Maroccan origin", "German citizen of Turkish origin" or "UK citizen whose parents immigrated from Russia" etc.. Its not illegal in many countries and personally speaking i dont think it should be illegal. | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4782 Posts
On September 25 2018 19:04 warding wrote: Is it even legal for a national authority to report the ethnicity of a crime suspect in Europe? Here it's illegal for any public authority to keep record of the ethnicity of our citizens. I thought this was a EU thing. I've never heard anyone in Europe talk about 'caucasians', which is the dumbest possible classification btw. It is perfectly legal in Denmark. In fact data is kept by Statistics Denmark (the governmental census bureau). EDIT: If we can extrapolate from Danish data I do not think the right-wing will really be all that surprised. The overrepresentation is actually pretty big - especially for the higher profile things such as rape, murder and gang-crime. Just to examplify: Looking through all cases through 1,5 years 10 of 12 assault rapes were committed by immigrants or their descendants in a recent review the data. Every second conviction of rape (any) had an immigrant as the perpetrator. EDIT2: Just to be clear. The law proposal is pretty terrifying. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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