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On May 05 2018 05:08 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2018 17:09 Big J wrote:
On the other side you have left-wing youths fighting for their rights violently once a year and immidiately we have a united right and liberal media front peeing their expensive pants that we could have a world revolution any moment if they don't keep these sentiments down. They don't fight for their rights, they trash the property of the city and of people who actually work for a living, it's completely idiotic. When we had the G20 riots people set cars of normal citizens on fire and trashed the small shops of immigrant business owners. It's just a bunch of hooligans who piss off the entire political spectrum with their rioting. What the fuck is stealing train rails or setting cars on fire even going to accomplish, do they think the global elite arrives at Davos by public transport or in a Toyota Prius?
Yeah, there's zero logical reason to defend or encourage these "protesters". In the end, they're just vandals with a political label. Furthermore, being "left" has no meaning anymore today, everyone just hops on the train to just not be "right" lol.
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On May 05 2018 05:08 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2018 17:09 Big J wrote:
On the other side you have left-wing youths fighting for their rights violently once a year and immidiately we have a united right and liberal media front peeing their expensive pants that we could have a world revolution any moment if they don't keep these sentiments down. They don't fight for their rights, they trash the property of the city and of people who actually work for a living, it's completely idiotic. When we had the G20 riots people set cars of normal citizens on fire and trashed the small shops of immigrant business owners. It's just a bunch of hooligans who piss off the entire political spectrum with their rioting. What the fuck is stealing train rails or setting cars on fire even going to accomplish, do they think the global elite arrives at Davos by public transport or in a Toyota Prius?
Do you think they are trying to fight for rights and just idiots about it, or do you think they are just vandals with exhibition fetishes?
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I mean they can be both, no?
You're going to have everything from the genuine revolutionary give-his-life-for-the-cause dude who's just picked a stupid way to go about things, to the kid who's tagging along because setting stuff on fire is fun and the group gives him an excuse. Most people there would be somewhere between those two.
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On May 05 2018 07:57 Belisarius wrote:
I mean they can be both, no?
You're going to have everything from the genuine revolutionary give-his-life-for-the-cause dude who's directing his energies in a stupid direction, to the kid who's tagging along because setting stuff on fire is fun and someone's told him it's fine so as it's rich people's stuff.
I mean that's more or less what I imagined, but Nyx made it sound like they are *all* a bunch of idiot vandals (or at least an overwhelming majority) without any idea why they are doing what they are doing.
My experiences with 'vandals' in these situation is that they run the gamut but many of them know exactly what they are doing and aren't idiots about it. I can understand why people may disagree with their perspectives but there is a method to their madness, it isn't wanton destruction of property for the thrill of it like people seem to imply is the animus behind this stuff.
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For most of them it is the latter. I've spent my time in leftist thinktanks and subversive groups and maybe 20% of all people there would actually partake in serious political discussions. The rest is mostly brainwashed, much like neonazis, and just wants to smash things they think represent "capitalism" or "patriarchy" or whatever is the buzzword of the hour. Of course, when it goes to the streets, there will be all kinds of people involved for a variety of reasons. I guess it is just inevitable for a mob to turn violent if given enough public space and most importantly ideological backup by media, intellectuals or even politicians.
On May 05 2018 08:05 GreenHorizons wrote:
My experiences with 'vandals' in these situation is that they run the gamut but many of them know exactly what they are doing and aren't idiots about it. I can understand why people may disagree with their perspectives but there is a method to their madness, it isn't wanton destruction of property for the thrill of it like people seem to imply is the animus behind this stuff.
But they want exactly that, see G20 in Hamburg for reference. How is that a credible protest, when most of the stuff that goes broke is regular ass Joe's 5000€ car or small businesses?
Edit: You wouldn't believe the amount of blind hatred that runs within most of the organized people. I repeat, it is exactly the same with neonazis. They have their worldview set in stone and a clear enemy. The only good thing that can be said about their leftist counterparts is they rarely target people but mostly property, while with neonazis it is the way round. Still, the property they destroy usually belongs to ordinary people who worked all their life to obtain it. The vandals don't run shit to be frank, they stay in the background until police oversteps just slightly. They always need a justification for their crimes and it is really important to them to have the general populace sympathize with them, for nazis this doesn't apply really, they just don't give a fuck.
My point is, both are equally dumb, use the same structures to form their "protest" and in the end it is always gonna be regular people who suffer. Yet people tend to sympathize with antifa etc. way more because of the constant fearmongering against the right. It is what eventually turned me away from being politically active. Can't go right, the people would drive me insane within seconds. Can't go left, been there and people there aren't much better than on the right (again, the only real upside I see is the reluctance to harm actual people, which doesn't apply to police obviously lol). Center is dead and has been forever to a point where I don't even know if it ever really existed.
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On May 05 2018 08:09 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:For most of them it is the latter. I've spent my time in leftist thinktanks and subversive groups and maybe 20% of all people there would actually partake in serious political discussions. The rest is mostly brainwashed, much like neonazis, and just wants to smash things they think represent "capitalism" or "patriarchy" or whatever is the buzzword of the hour. Of course, when it goes to the streets, there will be all kinds of people involved for a variety of reasons. I guess it is just inevitable for a mob to turn violent if given enough public space and most importantly ideological backup by media, intellectuals or even politicians. Show nested quote +On May 05 2018 08:05 GreenHorizons wrote:
My experiences with 'vandals' in these situation is that they run the gamut but many of them know exactly what they are doing and aren't idiots about it. I can understand why people may disagree with their perspectives but there is a method to their madness, it isn't wanton destruction of property for the thrill of it like people seem to imply is the animus behind this stuff. But they want exactly that, see G20 in Hamburg for reference. How is that a credible protest, when most of the stuff that goes broke is regular ass Joe's 5000€ car or small businesses?
"Credible protest" is an interesting idea. I'm not sure things like the Boston Tea Party, or events preceding the revolutionary war were considered "credible protests" in their day either.
I suspect there is a similar pattern among some European countries (at least at some point in their histories). 'Credible protests' are usually a moniker assigned to protests that don't upset the status quo, rather than ones that effectively force changes undesired by those in power.
People in power rarely say "that's an effective and credible way to undermine my wealth, power, corruption" about anything that does such.
The key for it being an effective way for those in power to discredit those resisting it is convincing the masses to side with those in power by making the status quo 'acceptable enough' and anything that could seriously upset it as outside the bounds of reasonable or effective action.
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On May 05 2018 07:40 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2018 05:08 Nyxisto wrote:On May 04 2018 17:09 Big J wrote:
On the other side you have left-wing youths fighting for their rights violently once a year and immidiately we have a united right and liberal media front peeing their expensive pants that we could have a world revolution any moment if they don't keep these sentiments down. They don't fight for their rights, they trash the property of the city and of people who actually work for a living, it's completely idiotic. When we had the G20 riots people set cars of normal citizens on fire and trashed the small shops of immigrant business owners. It's just a bunch of hooligans who piss off the entire political spectrum with their rioting. What the fuck is stealing train rails or setting cars on fire even going to accomplish, do they think the global elite arrives at Davos by public transport or in a Toyota Prius? Do you think they are trying to fight for rights and just idiots about it, or do you think they are just vandals with exhibition fetishes?
probably at least 80% of the latter as there's even a dedicated riot tourism built around these events where people will come over for the weekend, trash as much stuff as they can and then leave again. There's usually a lot of legitimate protesters at those events as well, but they distinguish themselves from the black block and manage to protest peacefully
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On May 05 2018 08:55 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2018 07:40 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 05 2018 05:08 Nyxisto wrote:On May 04 2018 17:09 Big J wrote:
On the other side you have left-wing youths fighting for their rights violently once a year and immidiately we have a united right and liberal media front peeing their expensive pants that we could have a world revolution any moment if they don't keep these sentiments down. They don't fight for their rights, they trash the property of the city and of people who actually work for a living, it's completely idiotic. When we had the G20 riots people set cars of normal citizens on fire and trashed the small shops of immigrant business owners. It's just a bunch of hooligans who piss off the entire political spectrum with their rioting. What the fuck is stealing train rails or setting cars on fire even going to accomplish, do they think the global elite arrives at Davos by public transport or in a Toyota Prius? Do you think they are trying to fight for rights and just idiots about it, or do you think they are just vandals with exhibition fetishes? probably at least 80% of the latter as there's even a dedicated riot tourism built around these events where people will come over for the weekend, trash as much stuff as they can and then leave again. There's usually a lot of legitimate protesters at those events as well, but they distinguish themselves from the black block and manage to protest peacefully
So that's a yes to 100% of them being idiot vandals seeking a rush or whatever in your opinion? At least referring to those that damage property.
That there's no conception in your mind where damaging property in that fashion could be both a legitimate form of protest and part of a larger strategy not strictly formed of malice and ignorance?
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I think a large part of those vandals don't plan to destroy private or public property during those "protests". They don't give much thought to it, they just go somewhere to protest against evil capitalists and once they're at the place they start destroying everything destroyable around them just to vent their emotions. I refuse to believe those guys seriously think destroying trash cans somehow helps their cause.
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No, not really. If they had a strategy they wouldn't need to destroy things in the first place. Violent outbursts is precisely what happens when people don't have a strategy. What's the endgame here, destroying trashcans faster than capitalism can build them?
It's just idiotic. These people should get a job or join a political organisation because that's actually two avenues that can lead to lasting change.
I remember a statement from some Syrian refugee in Hamburg during the riots who was asked about this and just couldn't keep a straight face and basically said "what the fuck are these kids doing, we're fleeing from the war and they're setting the city on fire although they've got everything they need", that about sums it up
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On May 05 2018 09:26 Nyxisto wrote:
No, not really. If they had a strategy they wouldn't need to destroy things in the first place. Violent outbursts is precisely what happens when people don't have a strategy. What's the endgame here, destroying trashcans faster than capitalism can build them?
It's just idiotic. These people should get a job or join a political organisation because that's actually two avenues that can lead to lasting change.
I remember a statement from some Syrian refugee in Hamburg during the riots who was asked about this and just couldn't keep a straight face and basically said "what the fuck are these kids doing, we're fleeing from the war and they're setting the city on fire although they've got everything they need", that about sums it up
I'm not here to argue one way or the other, though Ill confess I disagree, I was just curious about whether I was interpreting your perspective correctly or not.
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On May 05 2018 09:06 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2018 08:55 Nyxisto wrote:On May 05 2018 07:40 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 05 2018 05:08 Nyxisto wrote:On May 04 2018 17:09 Big J wrote:
On the other side you have left-wing youths fighting for their rights violently once a year and immidiately we have a united right and liberal media front peeing their expensive pants that we could have a world revolution any moment if they don't keep these sentiments down. They don't fight for their rights, they trash the property of the city and of people who actually work for a living, it's completely idiotic. When we had the G20 riots people set cars of normal citizens on fire and trashed the small shops of immigrant business owners. It's just a bunch of hooligans who piss off the entire political spectrum with their rioting. What the fuck is stealing train rails or setting cars on fire even going to accomplish, do they think the global elite arrives at Davos by public transport or in a Toyota Prius? Do you think they are trying to fight for rights and just idiots about it, or do you think they are just vandals with exhibition fetishes? probably at least 80% of the latter as there's even a dedicated riot tourism built around these events where people will come over for the weekend, trash as much stuff as they can and then leave again. There's usually a lot of legitimate protesters at those events as well, but they distinguish themselves from the black block and manage to protest peacefully So that's a yes to 100% of them being idiot vandals seeking a rush or whatever in your opinion? At least referring to those that damage property. That there's no conception in your mind where damaging property in that fashion could be both a legitimate form of protest and part of a larger strategy not strictly formed of malice and ignorance?
As an ordinary citizen with no real leanings towars either side I would say that choosing a tactic (vandalism of common peoples property) that makes me, and the vast majority of people like me, not care at all if you ger beaten to a pulp by police is a rather poor idea.
I am old enough to remeber Gothenburg G20 where the rioters basically forced police to shot to kill and I had zero remorse for them then. Since then there has been countless similar incidents which makes me nit give a crap to what happens to people who put on masks and start throwing stones at police or other people.
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On May 06 2018 05:14 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2018 09:06 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 05 2018 08:55 Nyxisto wrote:On May 05 2018 07:40 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 05 2018 05:08 Nyxisto wrote:On May 04 2018 17:09 Big J wrote:
On the other side you have left-wing youths fighting for their rights violently once a year and immidiately we have a united right and liberal media front peeing their expensive pants that we could have a world revolution any moment if they don't keep these sentiments down. They don't fight for their rights, they trash the property of the city and of people who actually work for a living, it's completely idiotic. When we had the G20 riots people set cars of normal citizens on fire and trashed the small shops of immigrant business owners. It's just a bunch of hooligans who piss off the entire political spectrum with their rioting. What the fuck is stealing train rails or setting cars on fire even going to accomplish, do they think the global elite arrives at Davos by public transport or in a Toyota Prius? Do you think they are trying to fight for rights and just idiots about it, or do you think they are just vandals with exhibition fetishes? probably at least 80% of the latter as there's even a dedicated riot tourism built around these events where people will come over for the weekend, trash as much stuff as they can and then leave again. There's usually a lot of legitimate protesters at those events as well, but they distinguish themselves from the black block and manage to protest peacefully So that's a yes to 100% of them being idiot vandals seeking a rush or whatever in your opinion? At least referring to those that damage property. That there's no conception in your mind where damaging property in that fashion could be both a legitimate form of protest and part of a larger strategy not strictly formed of malice and ignorance? As an ordinary citizen with no real leanings towars either side I would say that choosing a tactic (vandalism of common peoples property) that makes me, and the vast majority of people like me, not care at all if you ger beaten to a pulp by police is a rather poor idea. I am old enough to remeber Gothenburg G20 where the rioters basically forced police to shot to kill and I had zero remorse for them then. Since then there has been countless similar incidents which makes me nit give a crap to what happens to people who put on masks and start throwing stones at police or other people.
I think the point was raised that people value plate glass more than human beings and vandalism brings that into stark contrast. Whether that's the intention or not, it may not work on folks like yourself, but for folks like myself it helps identify who is more bothered by broken windows than the horrific violence being protested.
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On May 06 2018 05:20 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2018 05:14 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:On May 05 2018 09:06 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 05 2018 08:55 Nyxisto wrote:On May 05 2018 07:40 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 05 2018 05:08 Nyxisto wrote:On May 04 2018 17:09 Big J wrote:
On the other side you have left-wing youths fighting for their rights violently once a year and immidiately we have a united right and liberal media front peeing their expensive pants that we could have a world revolution any moment if they don't keep these sentiments down. They don't fight for their rights, they trash the property of the city and of people who actually work for a living, it's completely idiotic. When we had the G20 riots people set cars of normal citizens on fire and trashed the small shops of immigrant business owners. It's just a bunch of hooligans who piss off the entire political spectrum with their rioting. What the fuck is stealing train rails or setting cars on fire even going to accomplish, do they think the global elite arrives at Davos by public transport or in a Toyota Prius? Do you think they are trying to fight for rights and just idiots about it, or do you think they are just vandals with exhibition fetishes? probably at least 80% of the latter as there's even a dedicated riot tourism built around these events where people will come over for the weekend, trash as much stuff as they can and then leave again. There's usually a lot of legitimate protesters at those events as well, but they distinguish themselves from the black block and manage to protest peacefully So that's a yes to 100% of them being idiot vandals seeking a rush or whatever in your opinion? At least referring to those that damage property. That there's no conception in your mind where damaging property in that fashion could be both a legitimate form of protest and part of a larger strategy not strictly formed of malice and ignorance? As an ordinary citizen with no real leanings towars either side I would say that choosing a tactic (vandalism of common peoples property) that makes me, and the vast majority of people like me, not care at all if you ger beaten to a pulp by police is a rather poor idea. I am old enough to remeber Gothenburg G20 where the rioters basically forced police to shot to kill and I had zero remorse for them then. Since then there has been countless similar incidents which makes me nit give a crap to what happens to people who put on masks and start throwing stones at police or other people. I think the point was raised that people value plate glass more than human beings and vandalism brings that into stark contrast. Whether that's the intention or not, it may not work on folks like yourself, but for folks like myself it helps identify who is more bothered by broken windows than the horrific violence being protested.
nobody values plate glass more than human beings. What people value is not having the commons destroyed by a bunch of bored and spoiled children. That's what upsets them, not the literal value of the window. The goddamn windows are replaced a day later.
It's the disrespect for discourse, democracy and pluralism that is on display when people use violence to achieve political goals, or worse, just to create a turmoil. That's what upsets everyone.
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On May 06 2018 05:28 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2018 05:20 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 06 2018 05:14 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:On May 05 2018 09:06 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 05 2018 08:55 Nyxisto wrote:On May 05 2018 07:40 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 05 2018 05:08 Nyxisto wrote:On May 04 2018 17:09 Big J wrote:
On the other side you have left-wing youths fighting for their rights violently once a year and immidiately we have a united right and liberal media front peeing their expensive pants that we could have a world revolution any moment if they don't keep these sentiments down. They don't fight for their rights, they trash the property of the city and of people who actually work for a living, it's completely idiotic. When we had the G20 riots people set cars of normal citizens on fire and trashed the small shops of immigrant business owners. It's just a bunch of hooligans who piss off the entire political spectrum with their rioting. What the fuck is stealing train rails or setting cars on fire even going to accomplish, do they think the global elite arrives at Davos by public transport or in a Toyota Prius? Do you think they are trying to fight for rights and just idiots about it, or do you think they are just vandals with exhibition fetishes? probably at least 80% of the latter as there's even a dedicated riot tourism built around these events where people will come over for the weekend, trash as much stuff as they can and then leave again. There's usually a lot of legitimate protesters at those events as well, but they distinguish themselves from the black block and manage to protest peacefully So that's a yes to 100% of them being idiot vandals seeking a rush or whatever in your opinion? At least referring to those that damage property. That there's no conception in your mind where damaging property in that fashion could be both a legitimate form of protest and part of a larger strategy not strictly formed of malice and ignorance? As an ordinary citizen with no real leanings towars either side I would say that choosing a tactic (vandalism of common peoples property) that makes me, and the vast majority of people like me, not care at all if you ger beaten to a pulp by police is a rather poor idea. I am old enough to remeber Gothenburg G20 where the rioters basically forced police to shot to kill and I had zero remorse for them then. Since then there has been countless similar incidents which makes me nit give a crap to what happens to people who put on masks and start throwing stones at police or other people. I think the point was raised that people value plate glass more than human beings and vandalism brings that into stark contrast. Whether that's the intention or not, it may not work on folks like yourself, but for folks like myself it helps identify who is more bothered by broken windows than the horrific violence being protested. nobody values plate glass more than human beings. That alone shows how immature every one of these demonstrators is. What people value is not having the commons destroyed by a bunch of bored and spoiled children. That's what upsets them, not the literal value of the window. The goddamn windows are replaced a day later.
I think that's my point. People are far more bothered by what the 'vandals' did than what they are protesting. They can say they value human life more but their actions say differently imo. Otherwise they wouldn't even mention the broken crap and focus reporting on what they are objecting to.
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It's the disrespect for discourse, democracy and pluralism that is on display when people use violence to achieve political goals, or worse, just to create a turmoil. That's what upsets everyone.
I mean I can't speak for France, but from a US perspective, the people they are protesting only care about discourse, democracy, and pluralism so much as it advances their exploitative and inhumane goals of concentrating wealth in fewer and fewer hands no matter how much suffering and death it causes.
That's what bothers me, I couldn't care less about some windows that get replaced the next day and find people that focus on the windows rather than the massive and horrific exploitation and suffering do so out of self-interest and a fetish for process, not humanitarianism
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On May 06 2018 05:20 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2018 05:14 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:On May 05 2018 09:06 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 05 2018 08:55 Nyxisto wrote:On May 05 2018 07:40 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 05 2018 05:08 Nyxisto wrote:On May 04 2018 17:09 Big J wrote:
On the other side you have left-wing youths fighting for their rights violently once a year and immidiately we have a united right and liberal media front peeing their expensive pants that we could have a world revolution any moment if they don't keep these sentiments down. They don't fight for their rights, they trash the property of the city and of people who actually work for a living, it's completely idiotic. When we had the G20 riots people set cars of normal citizens on fire and trashed the small shops of immigrant business owners. It's just a bunch of hooligans who piss off the entire political spectrum with their rioting. What the fuck is stealing train rails or setting cars on fire even going to accomplish, do they think the global elite arrives at Davos by public transport or in a Toyota Prius? Do you think they are trying to fight for rights and just idiots about it, or do you think they are just vandals with exhibition fetishes? probably at least 80% of the latter as there's even a dedicated riot tourism built around these events where people will come over for the weekend, trash as much stuff as they can and then leave again. There's usually a lot of legitimate protesters at those events as well, but they distinguish themselves from the black block and manage to protest peacefully So that's a yes to 100% of them being idiot vandals seeking a rush or whatever in your opinion? At least referring to those that damage property. That there's no conception in your mind where damaging property in that fashion could be both a legitimate form of protest and part of a larger strategy not strictly formed of malice and ignorance? As an ordinary citizen with no real leanings towars either side I would say that choosing a tactic (vandalism of common peoples property) that makes me, and the vast majority of people like me, not care at all if you ger beaten to a pulp by police is a rather poor idea. I am old enough to remeber Gothenburg G20 where the rioters basically forced police to shot to kill and I had zero remorse for them then. Since then there has been countless similar incidents which makes me nit give a crap to what happens to people who put on masks and start throwing stones at police or other people. I think the point was raised that people value plate glass more than human beings and vandalism brings that into stark contrast. Whether that's the intention or not, it may not work on folks like yourself, but for folks like myself it helps identify who is more bothered by broken windows than the horrific violence being protested.
Like crippling a person for being a nazi but then not owning up to your mistake when it turns out that person was a innocent resturant owner who was just hiding in their resturant and there were no nazis even near. And he was even an immigrant so it shouldnt exactly have been hard to tell. For sure that sounds like people who are bothered by horrible violence to me.
The only difference between the far left and the far right is the mixture of words in their bullshit. Saying that coming out to fight being justified have been proven false so many times now that its completly fair for people not giving a fuck what happens to these so called ”protesters”.
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On May 06 2018 05:31 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2018 05:20 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 06 2018 05:14 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:On May 05 2018 09:06 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 05 2018 08:55 Nyxisto wrote:On May 05 2018 07:40 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 05 2018 05:08 Nyxisto wrote:On May 04 2018 17:09 Big J wrote:
On the other side you have left-wing youths fighting for their rights violently once a year and immidiately we have a united right and liberal media front peeing their expensive pants that we could have a world revolution any moment if they don't keep these sentiments down. They don't fight for their rights, they trash the property of the city and of people who actually work for a living, it's completely idiotic. When we had the G20 riots people set cars of normal citizens on fire and trashed the small shops of immigrant business owners. It's just a bunch of hooligans who piss off the entire political spectrum with their rioting. What the fuck is stealing train rails or setting cars on fire even going to accomplish, do they think the global elite arrives at Davos by public transport or in a Toyota Prius? Do you think they are trying to fight for rights and just idiots about it, or do you think they are just vandals with exhibition fetishes? probably at least 80% of the latter as there's even a dedicated riot tourism built around these events where people will come over for the weekend, trash as much stuff as they can and then leave again. There's usually a lot of legitimate protesters at those events as well, but they distinguish themselves from the black block and manage to protest peacefully So that's a yes to 100% of them being idiot vandals seeking a rush or whatever in your opinion? At least referring to those that damage property. That there's no conception in your mind where damaging property in that fashion could be both a legitimate form of protest and part of a larger strategy not strictly formed of malice and ignorance? As an ordinary citizen with no real leanings towars either side I would say that choosing a tactic (vandalism of common peoples property) that makes me, and the vast majority of people like me, not care at all if you ger beaten to a pulp by police is a rather poor idea. I am old enough to remeber Gothenburg G20 where the rioters basically forced police to shot to kill and I had zero remorse for them then. Since then there has been countless similar incidents which makes me nit give a crap to what happens to people who put on masks and start throwing stones at police or other people. I think the point was raised that people value plate glass more than human beings and vandalism brings that into stark contrast. Whether that's the intention or not, it may not work on folks like yourself, but for folks like myself it helps identify who is more bothered by broken windows than the horrific violence being protested. Like crippling a person for being a nazi but then not owning up to your mistake when it turns out that person was a innocent resturant owner who was just hiding in their resturant and there were no nazis even near. And he was even an immigrant so it shouldnt exactly have been hard to tell. For sure that sounds like people who are bothered by horrible violence to me. The only difference between the far left and the far right is the mixture of words in their bullshit. Saying that coming out to fight being justified have been proven false so many times now that its completly fair for people not giving a fuck what happens to these so called ”protesters”.
If I was out breaking windows and saw people doing that I would intervene myself, I can't speak to the specifics of what I'm presuming is some documented incident somewhere without a reference. But there are stupid people everywhere and I'm sure aimless violence is a hobby for some of them.
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It's super fascinating how people are enraged by purportedly blind destructive lust - which turns out to be incredibly miniscule on the grand scale but feels tangible - and turn a blind eye to the ravaging of nature/natural resources, which rarely takes place in front of their face (e.g. the telly screen), or the exploitation of the masses by the few / multinational companies.
Of course everyone has different priorities and taking into account the big picture is tedious as fuck and requires too much of a time investment for many to actually do that unless they do so professionally or as a hobby.
Still a little bit of that outrage against useless destruction funneled into ACTION contrary to what oneself considers the most pressing problems of society/the world instead of complaints would be much of an improvement to society.
Sometimes our own priorities are the most fucked up thing about ourselves.
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It is also funny that people who like to break windows and burn cars think they have the answer to all the problems in the world. 
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On May 06 2018 06:16 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:It is also funny that people who like to break windows and burn cars think they have the answer to all the problems in the world.
Or that they think they accomplish anything by antagonizing everyone outside their small bubble.
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