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threehundred
Canada911 Posts
On December 02 2006 09:50 KwarK wrote: He kills the main charactors every 15 pages, then introduces a new one before setting them up to die. It's an interesting writing style. Plus hot twin incest. good stuff | ||
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Cpt Obvious
Germany3073 Posts
It's been almost 3 years since I've read Feast I think, evenif the book WOULD eventually come out, I'd have to re-read the old books just to remember what happened. That sucks. I was excited for Dance with Dragons for almost 2 years, then I kept getting mails from amazon about how it was announced and announced again, etc. It was just painful. Fuck you Martin, fuck you.  | ||
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
On July 24 2010 18:38 Eiserne wrote: Fuck this series. Storm of Swords was awful. Such a sadistic writer. Up until the Red Wedding, the series was fantastic. + Show Spoiler + Holy shit yeah, I was so pissed off when Cat and Robb died. Cat's life in particular is so tragic it hurts. First off her favorite son becomes a cripple at the age of seven and then her husband gets her head chopped off and then she thinks Bran and Rickon are dead when they're not and right before she was about to die she was convinced that all of her children were as good as dead when only Robb was only one actually dead. I was hanging on to the hope that the Starks would win and the family would finally be reconciled but then the treacherous freys murdered her. And then she resurrects as a merciless zombie and Arya is fucking blind and Sansa is married to Tyrion and Bran is crippled and Rickon is probably gonna grow up to be a serial killer because his childhood is so fucked up because of the war. | ||
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
On July 24 2010 18:38 Eiserne wrote: Fuck this series. Storm of Swords was awful. Such a sadistic writer. Up until the Red Wedding, the series was fantastic. seriously? the red wedding was a brilliant and realistic twist in the plot. GRRM never wanted this series to be a typical high/epic fantasy with the heroes and main chars magically surviving everything thrown at them. remember this is set in a gritty and dark medieval era where people do whatever necessary to get what they want. if you're not getting that, maybe you were deceiving yourself on what the series was actually about. oh and it is seriously frustrating that DoD has been further delayed. the main problem is that GRRM has been distracted by the upcoming HBO adaptation and he hasnt focused wholly on finishing the 5th book. i just hope he gets to finish the series before he passes away. | ||
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Ianuus
Australia349 Posts
On July 24 2010 19:39 writer22816 wrote: + Show Spoiler + Holy shit yeah, I was so pissed off when Cat and Robb died. Cat's life in particular is so tragic it hurts. First off her favorite son becomes a cripple at the age of seven and then her husband gets her head chopped off and then she thinks Bran and Rickon are dead when they're not and right before she was about to die she was convinced that all of her children were as good as dead when only Robb was only one actually dead. I was hanging on to the hope that the Starks would win and the family would finally be reconciled but then the treacherous freys murdered her. And then she resurrects as a merciless zombie and Arya is fucking blind and Sansa is married to Tyrion and Bran is crippled and Rickon is probably gonna grow up to be a serial killer because his childhood is so fucked up because of the war. + Show Spoiler + I didn't mind. Catelyn seemed like a stuck-up, self-righteous and selfish bitch most of the time. The Northerners are backwards and stupid. Sansa is a spoilt brat, I lol'd much when all her dreams came crashing down between her ears. Arya and Bran are doing fine - Arya's blindness is probably just a phase of her training, and Bran is going through a fine character building through adversity thing. | ||
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snotboogie
Australia3550 Posts
On July 24 2010 19:59 Ianuus wrote: + Show Spoiler + I didn't mind. Catelyn seemed like a stuck-up, self-righteous and selfish bitch most of the time. The Northerners are backwards and stupid. Sansa is a spoilt brat, I lol'd much when all her dreams came crashing down between her ears. Arya and Bran are doing fine - Arya's blindness is probably just a phase of her training, and Bran is going through a fine character building through adversity thing. + Show Spoiler + Totally agree on the Sansa bit... that bitch needed to get got. I really hope Arya ends up a fucking Jedi Master who just massacres anyone in her way. Arya rocks. | ||
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Odoakar
Croatia1837 Posts
The books are great, the last one not as much as the first 3, but I realise it's a 'transition episode', laying the ground for coming episodes which should be epic. If he finishes them, that is. | ||
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Blisse
Canada3710 Posts
I love how you can't be sure who will die, who won't die. And I love how we start off hating Cersei and Jaime, but then it turns around and we're given a chance to like them. Every character is gray. GRRM criticizes LotR for too fairy tale-y of a story. Everything's not black and white. He's not afraid to destroy someone. + Show Spoiler + Where did you get this blind Arya? I don't remember. But it's been a while. I want to read the Wheel of Time, but I don't feel like reading a story that doesn't have a satisfying conclusion. It's like just a cliffhanger for the rest of my life. Even if another author wrote it with plans, it doesn't have the same feel. That's why I'm hoping GRRM finishes this. He also said if he dies, no one is going to finish writing it for him. >< | ||
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Odoakar
Croatia1837 Posts
If I remember correctly, Arya went blind after drinking a milk given to her by her instructors - she just woke up blind the next morning. It was sort of a punishment for killing a man, so I'm not sure whether it's just a phase in training or permanent state for her now. | ||
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Blisse
Canada3710 Posts
On July 25 2010 04:09 Odoakar wrote: + Show Spoiler + If I remember correctly, Arya went blind after drinking a milk given to her by her instructors - she just woke up blind the next morning. It was sort of a punishment for killing a man, so I'm not sure whether it's just a phase in training or permanent state for her now. omgwut, totally missed that part of the novel. Time to reread! Thank God the series will come out and fill the gap between ADWD and TWOW. 10 episodes at least! | ||
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EmeraldSparks
United States1451 Posts
If I wanted to read about that stuff I'd open a history book. | ||
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Kalai
Japan17 Posts
I also like the "gritty realism" where all characters are somewhere between good and evil and not distinctly either, all of them are just trying to fend for themselves. Makes for interesting reading. Not to mention, the story moves forward at a fairly rapid pace, quite unlike WoT. Just have to hope the author can finish the series, also unlike what happened with WoT. + Show Spoiler + The part with Cat resurrecting as a zombie or whatever is just strange though. I sort of wished she'd be done with when she got killed, but no. Agreed on Sansa needing to get some dreams crushed. She was so horribly annoying to begin with that a good slap in the face does her good. | ||
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ShadowDrgn
United States2497 Posts
On July 25 2010 04:06 vica wrote: I want to read the Wheel of Time, but I don't feel like reading a story that doesn't have a satisfying conclusion. It's like just a cliffhanger for the rest of my life. Even if another author wrote it with plans, it doesn't have the same feel. That's why I'm hoping GRRM finishes this. He also said if he dies, no one is going to finish writing it for him. >< Brandon Sanderson is a significantly better writer than Robert Jordan ever was so don't let that stop you from reading WoT. The fact that the middle books of the series constitute 3000 pages of crap should give you pause though.  | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17671 Posts
I ceased reading SOFI recently. I agree that killing main characters was nice change from your usual books, but GRRM has gone a bit overboard with it, killing every single character I liked - Nooooooooooooo... Tywin... - besides Bronn, but he wasn't all that great and important either. So, as it is, I have no one to attach myself to and continue reading because I'm interested in their story (I like characters in stories, not 'the history of a country' ). The story needs a protagonist. In other words, the series lack focus and are spread over too many characters and places which makes it painful to read at times. | ||
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Ramsing
Canada233 Posts
On July 25 2010 18:15 Manit0u wrote: + Show Spoiler + I ceased reading SOFI recently. I agree that killing main characters was nice change from your usual books, but GRRM has gone a bit overboard with it, killing every single character I liked - Nooooooooooooo... Tywin... - besides Bronn, but he wasn't all that great and important either. So, as it is, I have no one to attach myself to and continue reading because I'm interested in their story (I like characters in stories, not 'the history of a country' ). The story needs a protagonist. In other words, the series lack focus and are spread over too many characters and places which makes it painful to read at times. Thoughts of Daenerys didn't play in the back of your mind throughout the entire Feast for Crows? oO | ||
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Jakalo
Latvia2350 Posts
On July 25 2010 18:15 Manit0u wrote: + Show Spoiler + I ceased reading SOFI recently. I agree that killing main characters was nice change from your usual books, but GRRM has gone a bit overboard with it, killing every single character I liked - Nooooooooooooo... Tywin... - besides Bronn, but he wasn't all that great and important either. So, as it is, I have no one to attach myself to and continue reading because I'm interested in their story (I like characters in stories, not 'the history of a country' ). The story needs a protagonist. In other words, the series lack focus and are spread over too many characters and places which makes it painful to read at times. + Show Spoiler + Well, Jon is still doing fine albeit he is somewhat disconnected from realms internal conflicts. Yeah and Daenyrs too, I wouldnt be surprised in a slightest to see her unite kingdom under Dragons banner once again. | ||
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CaptTerrible
United States72 Posts
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toadstool
Australia421 Posts
[QUOTE]On July 24 2010 18:38 Eiserne wrote: Fuck this series. Storm of Swords was awful. Such a sadistic writer. Up until the Red Wedding, the series was fantastic.[/QUOTE] In my opinion it adds to the realism of the book series. In real life, it's not always the 'good' guys who win, and real life is harsh. Especially when the stakes are as high as thrones and kingdom. To put it into perspective, look at Tywin Lannister. + Show Spoiler + He is one the most brilliant minds in the kingdom, he is one of the most powerful lords, his daughter is a queen and his son is one of the best knights in the kingdom. His children commit incest, his youngest son is a dwarf, his son renounces his title, his daughter's a bitch and he dies on a toilet, killed by his own son. Also, you can't look at the book series as a battle between good houses and bad houses. Sure, we're more sympathetic towards the Starks as the story begins, but the Lannisters have a lot of sympathetic characters (Tyrion, Jaime). Look at it as a story of houses battling for supremecy, not as the story of the Starks. | ||
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Jakalo
Latvia2350 Posts
[QUOTE]On July 25 2010 19:14 toadstool wrote: [QUOTE]On July 24 2010 19:39 writer22816 wrote: [QUOTE]On July 24 2010 18:38 Eiserne wrote: Fuck this series. Storm of Swords was awful. Such a sadistic writer. Up until the Red Wedding, the series was fantastic.[/QUOTE] In my opinion it adds to the realism of the book series. In real life, it's not always the 'good' guys who win, and real life is harsh. Especially when the stakes are as high as thrones and kingdom. To put it into perspective, look at Tywin Lannister. + Show Spoiler + He is one the most brilliant minds in the kingdom, he is one of the most powerful lords, his daughter is a queen and his son is one of the best knights in the kingdom. His children commit incest, his youngest son is a dwarf, his son renounces his title, his daughter's a bitch and he dies on a toilet, killed by his own son. Also, you can't look at the book series as a battle between good houses and bad houses. Sure, we're more sympathetic towards the Starks as the story begins, but the Lannisters have a lot of sympathetic characters (Tyrion, Jaime). Look at it as a story of houses battling for supremecy, not as the story of the Starks.[/QUOTE] While it is true that Jaime is cool and lovable everyone forgets so easily that he was the one that crippled Bran (trying to kill him) just to cover his incest with his sister. Yeah he does good too, but if you look at the big picture Starks is the only good house. (not that it did them any good) Well Tyrion rocks, thats true. | ||
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aqui
Germany1023 Posts
On July 25 2010 18:00 ShadowDrgn wrote: Brandon Sanderson is a significantly better writer than Robert Jordan ever was so don't let that stop you from reading WoT. The fact that the middle books of the series constitute 3000 pages of crap should give you pause though. Interesting, i had to stop reading Sanderson because i found it so terrible. For me it reads like it is written by a high school student who tries to be sublte and refined but isnt at all. | ||
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