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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On January 10 2007 01:26 gLyo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2007 01:19 oneofthem wrote:On January 10 2007 01:16 gLyo wrote:On January 10 2007 00:58 oneofthem wrote:The story was asinine (a bunch of mutants trying to destroy the human race -- but oh! lets through in a love triangle involving a college student, his cousin, and one of the homicidal mutants (who has a split personality disorder, no less)! I do not think that is the intended story at all. The story was how Lucy developed as a human being, and was a commentary on the basic idea of human identity and alienation. The usual mutant shows focus on the mutant powers, but elfen uses it as a background for thought experiment-ish situations that are interesting to consider. i haven't watched FLCL yet, but if you think elfen lied is about a bunch of mutants killing people, watch it again. Obviously there was some subtext, but the top layer doesn't just evaporate because of it. The themes they explore are within the story I outlined, and that story is really pretty dumb. What they wanted to say could have easily been said through other more eloquent methods that didn't involve a guy crushing on his cousin and a mutant with schizophrenia that ruthlessly murdered people in a needlessly violent and graphic way, and who took her clothes off (or simply did not put any on) for no evident reason. Well, rather than treating the setting as the top layer, maybe try some abstraction when viewing anime in general, especially seeing how the show emphasis "subtext." Are you implying that the mutant etc are dictating the plot of the show, rather than the personalities? Were there situations in which the purpose of the plot is to create a flashy action sequence? Does everything has to occur in a high school/college setting to relate to people? The setting wasn't very relevant to the story past the set up for these personalities to interact, and there were well developed personalities. The Lucy character is one fo the greatest in all of anime, imo, because of the situations she faced and her responses. The emphasis was definitely the subtext, and the mutants etc. were simply ways to get across the themes. I agree. I simply think that far better subjects could have been chosen. It didn't need to have sensational ultra-fighting mutants or silly love sick teens. I agree, the Lucy character faced an interesting dilemma (her plight was the only interesting thing in the show), but I didn't think her character itself was very interesting beyond that. Ok, I know that sometimes setting can wreck the perception of the show, sigh. Unfortunate. I'll check out FLCL later.
But i do not think the choice of the setting is arbitrary or only relevant to the setting. The story literally requires uncommon perceptions of things to work (otherwise it will turn into higurashi), and pretty much teh only way is to do a mutant show where certain evils are introduced without tainting the characters. I dont see anything like this done too often in anime, so that's why I think elfen didn't do too bad.
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Netherlands19135 Posts
Deathnote really is worth the watch, it started out so slow but then there was a point where I just went like WTF cool hehe. Hooked ever since and can't wait for the new eps at the end of this week I believe.
I really enjoyed Elfen Lied, I didn't enjoy FLCL at all. Just not my cup of tea and each to his own. No doubting taste.
I and saw it as a tale of Lucy's humanitizing as well instead of the world comming to an end. Just a peek of that things aren't neccisarily going to be as bad as they depicted it. That the Dyno's could love and live in peace but that their violent part is some weird violent/teenager phase in their first few years. They never really got a chance (which is perfectly understandable though hehe) and this story is about how they can turn out way other then expected.
And I loved the violence -.-.
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Its so hard to just pick three :S id have to say Hunter x Hunter, FMA and Hikaru no Go... or maybe Hajime no Ippo hmm...
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
hehe has anyone watched rozen maiden? Am I the only one who see deep christian allegories behind this wonderful piece of sometimes inane but always entertaining art?
Death note is a good detective story, but I was disasppointed at how they managed to turn an interestin concept into just a detective story. What about the inner reflections of Light, maybe they'll bring more of taht to the show later on through flashbacks. The theory is, 95% of all character development in anime is done through flashbacks, the other 5% is composed of random freak inspirations caused by getting hit too hard on the head by teh main villain, or showin episodes out of order so that the audience is duped into the characters as in SHnY. (SHnY is rather brilliant in this)
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thedeadhaji
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On January 10 2007 04:02 BaboToss wrote:
Bible Black
ROFL
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thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
On January 10 2007 00:39 gLyo wrote:
I felt that Elfen Lied was trying to be something that the creators weren't capable of creating. The story was asinine (a bunch of mutants trying to destroy the human race -- but oh! lets through in a love triangle involving a college student, his cousin, and one of the homicidal mutants (who has a split personality disorder, no less)!), the animation was way to glossy, and the characters evoked no emotional response from me (mostly because they were idiots). You could tell they tried really hard to do something with it, but they failed. But, even so, I guess it wasn't awful. The fighting was pretty cool.
When you compare Elfen Lied to an anime like FLCL, where the characters are extremely well developed, the story is intriguing and really requires some deep thought to fully understand, and where the animation really stands head and shoulders above almost every other anime ever produced -- well, it just doesn't stack up.
I went and read the manga in japanese, and it was pretty good. It was much better than 90% of the mainstream stuff these days. According to the japanese wikipedia, the ending parts for the manga and anime versions differ. Seems the anime one was cheesier and had an happier ending, but I cant confirm b/c I havent actually watched it.
I discussed the goods and bads with oneofthem over PM back in November and dont really feel like repeating myself here though.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
The anime has very good pacing and dialogue in certainsituations, for other aspects of it, it isn't spectacular. But it did manage to tell the story in a compelling, movin way.
I think only chapter 1 to 7 of the manga was animated, so less plot wrenching compared to the manga probably. The way elfen story finished is kinda silly, imo. but the characters are certainly strong.
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anybody puting NGE not on their #1 have no clue! *ignorant*
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Bleach
Ninja Scroll
Heavy Metal
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On November 26 2006 23:00 da)incognito wrote:
Anyone ever watch Akagi? I just finished watching and although I found the animation to be really annoying at first (funny character faces), I got over it and just enjoyed the show.
It's about Mahjong, just like Hikaru No Go except the show is much, much darker and its 26 eps long. It's set around the 1960's in Japan when yakuza gang's were aplenty. Despite the funny animation, and not knowing how to play Mahjong, it was quite entertaining and now I sort of want to learn how to play, just so I can watch it again and know what exactly was going on, but I'm too lazy. Anyways, I recommend it (subbed by Triad).
Rofl... that series actually made me interested in Mahjong. It's quite stylish although the last few episodes are drawn out so much that it starts to become like DBZ. ;p But Akagi is an awsome main character.
Anyhow, I don't watch anime but Yu Yu Hakusho is my favorite anime. It's like Dragon Ball but the characters are actually believable (as well as memorable) and there's a reason to care about the plot. Eva is almost perfect until the last few mind fucking episodes. I suppose I could stick Haruhi Suzimiya somewhere in there for its great animation, even though the fandom of that anime tends to be overly obsessed with stupid things.  The theme song to it as well as Eva are some of my favorite songs.
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My top 3 as of right now would have to be the 3 movies in the Z Gundam: A New Translation series (Heirs to the Stars, Lovers, Love is the Pulse of the Stars)
I hated Z Gundam when I first saw it. Particularly, I hated the dialouge ("THAT GUY!", "YOU!", "WHAT'S THAT VOICE?!", ugh, fucking annoying) and I felt the lead character was horrible. I guess I was just too young to appreciate it at the time because now that I'm older, I love it. Loved all 3 movies. Love Z Gundam.
Edit: Might seem weird picking 3 movies of the same series, but I hardly watch anime anymore. Also, I wouldn't rush into these 3 films without any knowledge of the previous series since they feel more like "compilation" films than a movie trilogoy.
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1) Bleach - I didn't like it in the beginning, but then I've been stuck on it since about the 70th episode, dling every episode as soon as I find them
2) Full Metal Alchemist - The best story I've watched so far. I didn't find the characters to be as good as in bleach, but the plot is very good.
3) Great Teacher Onizuka - I don't usually laugh when watching animes, but this one is funny as hell. It doesn't try too hard and isn't repetetive as lots of animes tend to be.
Right now, I'm watching rurouni kenshin, but it got pretty boring in the Kyoto part. I'm at the 61th episode now and it's going downhill  . Will keep watching, though
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Top 3 is hard .. these would be among them (can't really decide the order..): Great Teacher Onizuka, School Rumble, Bleach, Full Metal Alchemist
"Must have seen"! ;D
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bleach and gundam seed
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BLEACH
Death Note
NARUTO
EDIT: Special Mention : Tekkaman Blade.
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United States33388 Posts
No order of preference
Cowboy Bebop
Evangelion
Spirited Away
Hmm, and the Slam Dunk MANGA (not anime) gets a special mention
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eva
kenshin
anything else
my nick: intotherei
from eva, and intotherain :d
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I can't believe no one said yakitate japan.
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