• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 10:54
CEST 16:54
KST 23:54
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun11[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists22[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers25Maestros of the Game 2 announced92026 GSL Tour plans announced15Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid25
StarCraft 2
General
Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool MaNa leaves Team Liquid Maestros of the Game 2 announced
Tourneys
GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) SC2 INu's Battles#15 <BO.9 2Matches> WardiTV Spring Cup RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event SEL Masters #6 - Solar vs Classic (SC: Evo)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 523 Firewall Mutation # 522 Flip My Base Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss
Brood War
General
Data needed Pros React To: Leta vs Tulbo (ASL S21, Ro.8) ASL21 General Discussion [TOOL] Starcraft Chat Translator JaeDong's ASL S21 Ro16 Post-Review
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [ASL21] Ro8 Day 2 [ASL21] Ro8 Day 1
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Daigo vs Menard Best of 10 Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV Diablo IV
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread 3D technology/software discussion Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Sexual Health Of Gamers
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2484 users

World Chess Championship 2013 - Page 75

Forum Index > General Forum
Post a Reply
Prev 1 73 74 75 76 77 98 Next
Chess discussion continues here
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
November 21 2013 11:47 GMT
#1481
Anand will probably just win this via time, since Carlsen is in a situation where he really has to take care of every single move. As a guy with a quite low ELO (around 1700, based on german "DWZ" of 1650. google said that you can add 50-100 points to get your ELO, an exact method to get one number via the other seems not to be existing), I do not know what to do :/
mdb
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Bulgaria4059 Posts
November 21 2013 11:48 GMT
#1482
I wonder what are Carlsen concerns in this postion. He is thinking for a quite a long time now.
urboss
Profile Joined September 2013
Austria1223 Posts
November 21 2013 11:48 GMT
#1483
Black's position is very crammed.
Its only chance is the passed pawn.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18635 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-21 11:50:51
November 21 2013 11:50 GMT
#1484
On November 21 2013 20:46 Ketch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 20:41 Plexa wrote:
On November 21 2013 20:39 wingpawn wrote:
This position is so entertaining. I can even imagine the lines where Black gets 2nd Queen only to get checkmated anyway.

ATM, the a6-Knight is ridiculous, and with lack of activity for Black, it looks like drawing this will be a miracle for Carlsen.


At the risk of violating my own mod note... it's this kind of position which nicely illustrates the difference between computer and human chess all the engines are saying this is a drawish position but there looks to be so many interesting human lines because the drawn lines require perfect play.


Yeah computer evaluations do not display risk properly somehow


well since computers play without error in the later stages I don't think they'd have to value risk properly, no?

(Sorry, this was just my opinion - I dont want to start on the computer vs human thing!!!)

Also note I am only talking about the later stages here!
Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
November 21 2013 11:51 GMT
#1485
Carlsen got balls of steel to play the pawn b3 on the queen's side. Seems like he is confident in his position despite his inactive knight.
Countdown to victory: 1 200!
Malli
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany138 Posts
November 21 2013 11:52 GMT
#1486
I think white's attack is also now hard to push, with the threat on b3 and maybe bishop on f5 later if f6 happens.
gg no re
urboss
Profile Joined September 2013
Austria1223 Posts
November 21 2013 11:52 GMT
#1487
The first time that a draw seems to be the most unlikely outcome.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
November 21 2013 11:52 GMT
#1488
On November 21 2013 20:51 Hryul wrote:
Carlsen got balls of steel to play the pawn b3 on the queen's side. Seems like he is confident in his position despite his inactive knight.

I think he likes the idea of getting his white bishop to f5 which controls the queening square if anand plays f6 met with g6 ... Bf5
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7232 Posts
November 21 2013 11:57 GMT
#1489
On November 21 2013 20:52 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 20:51 Hryul wrote:
Carlsen got balls of steel to play the pawn b3 on the queen's side. Seems like he is confident in his position despite his inactive knight.

I think he likes the idea of getting his white bishop to f5 which controls the queening square if anand plays f6 met with g6 ... Bf5


I hope that's why he went into the tank to check that fully. He's in time trouble and can't afford another 20m think.
日本語が分かりますか
Kabras
Profile Joined June 2011
Romania3508 Posts
November 21 2013 12:01 GMT
#1490
Carlsen won't probably spend more than 5-7 minutes on the remaining moves.. he did this more than once in this match, spent 20+ minutes on one move then played pretty fast. if this isn't the case, then maybe he really is in a pickle. i liked b3, i think letting Anand committing to an attack and then defending is better instead of trying to prevent the attack altogether. one thing he's got going for him is that if he doesn't straight up lose to vishy's pawns, his endgame position will be much better. at least we shouldn't get a draw today .
"So playing SF in pubs, everyone remember that a very important point is that when using a carry hero like this you must be very selfish. Because working with team mates is a very dangerous thing" - 2009
Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-21 12:11:39
November 21 2013 12:01 GMT
#1491
On November 21 2013 20:52 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 20:51 Hryul wrote:
Carlsen got balls of steel to play the pawn b3 on the queen's side. Seems like he is confident in his position despite his inactive knight.

I think he likes the idea of getting his white bishop to f5 which controls the queening square if anand plays f6 met with g6 ... Bf5

I like the idea but I can't see it happening in the near future. Two pieces control f5 atm and g6xf5 would open the g line for white.
Edit: assuming a knight/bishop trade beforehand.

Further edit: I don't think white f6 is that good of an idea. the answer g6 limits both the white bishop and knight. I don't see any obvious good fields after f6g6. but maybe Anand shows something smart with it.
Countdown to victory: 1 200!
Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
November 21 2013 12:02 GMT
#1492
Love this game so far
▲ ▲ ▲
Ketch
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands7285 Posts
November 21 2013 12:04 GMT
#1493
On November 21 2013 20:57 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 20:52 Plexa wrote:
On November 21 2013 20:51 Hryul wrote:
Carlsen got balls of steel to play the pawn b3 on the queen's side. Seems like he is confident in his position despite his inactive knight.

I think he likes the idea of getting his white bishop to f5 which controls the queening square if anand plays f6 met with g6 ... Bf5


I hope that's why he went into the tank to check that fully. He's in time trouble and can't afford another 20m think.


He can think in Anand's time anyway also. That's always something that is a bit disregarded imho
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
November 21 2013 12:13 GMT
#1494
On November 21 2013 21:01 Hryul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 20:52 Plexa wrote:
On November 21 2013 20:51 Hryul wrote:
Carlsen got balls of steel to play the pawn b3 on the queen's side. Seems like he is confident in his position despite his inactive knight.

I think he likes the idea of getting his white bishop to f5 which controls the queening square if anand plays f6 met with g6 ... Bf5

I like the idea but I can't see it happening in the near future. Two pieces control f5 atm and g6xf5 would open the g line for white.
Edit: assuming a knight/bishop trade beforehand.

Further edit: I don't think white f6 is that good of an idea. the answer g6 limits both the white bishop and knight. I don't see any obvious good fields after f6g6. but maybe Anand shows something smart with it.

Yeah I agree. f6 seems like a scary idea, but it seems to throw any attacking ideas white has away after being met with g6. Nh5 seems like a better idea.
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7232 Posts
November 21 2013 12:16 GMT
#1495
Anand been on this move a long time, do you think he missed b3?
日本語が分かりますか
Arevall
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden1133 Posts
November 21 2013 12:17 GMT
#1496
Oh, and now Anand is down to 40 minutes! This is great
Fishgle
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2174 Posts
November 21 2013 12:18 GMT
#1497
i actually like h4; it strengthens g5, and gives freedom to the queen to deal with the pawn or whatnot.

then again, i know very little about chess.
aka ChillyGonzalo / GnozL
hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
November 21 2013 12:19 GMT
#1498
On November 21 2013 20:41 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 20:39 wingpawn wrote:
This position is so entertaining. I can even imagine the lines where Black gets 2nd Queen only to get checkmated anyway.

ATM, the a6-Knight is ridiculous, and with lack of activity for Black, it looks like drawing this will be a miracle for Carlsen.


At the risk of violating my own mod note... it's this kind of position which nicely illustrates the difference between computer and human chess all the engines are saying this is a drawish position but there looks to be so many interesting human lines because the drawn lines require perfect play.


0.00 doesn't necessarily mean drawish. It just means the engine can't prove an advantage for one side or another. It might mean that the positions at the end of the analysis are approximately equal, but still rich in possibilities. And of course the engine could be just plain wrong.
"Sending people in rockets to other planets is a waste of money better spent on sending rockets into people on this planet."
Pik
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany176 Posts
November 21 2013 12:19 GMT
#1499
hm Anand doesnt looks too confident now
wow, this gank is gonna be easy....
urboss
Profile Joined September 2013
Austria1223 Posts
November 21 2013 12:19 GMT
#1500
I would also prefer h4 just because I like the pawn wall for aesthetic reasons..
Prev 1 73 74 75 76 77 98 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
13:00
King of the Hill #246
WardiTV602
TKL 256
Liquipedia
INu's Battles
11:00
INu's Battles#15
SHIN vs ByuNLIVE!
IntoTheiNu 1037
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Serral 1518
TKL 256
Hui .185
trigger 81
Vindicta 30
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 39417
Calm 5388
Sea 2432
Mini 680
Hyuk 582
Shuttle 513
firebathero 485
EffOrt 400
Light 369
BeSt 336
[ Show more ]
ggaemo 242
Leta 193
actioN 155
Hyun 121
Dewaltoss 112
Rush 103
hero 92
Killer 85
Pusan 71
ToSsGirL 69
Sharp 68
Hm[arnc] 63
[sc1f]eonzerg 45
Sea.KH 45
Free 34
yabsab 28
Barracks 22
Rock 17
scan(afreeca) 16
910 15
GoRush 15
Shine 15
zelot 15
IntoTheRainbow 12
Terrorterran 11
SilentControl 10
JulyZerg 7
Sacsri 7
Dota 2
Gorgc4816
qojqva1680
monkeys_forever284
syndereN208
Other Games
singsing2316
B2W.Neo1104
hiko843
DeMusliM394
Lowko367
crisheroes255
ArmadaUGS80
Rex40
QueenE36
Trikslyr7
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream86
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 11
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Adnapsc2 7
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• escodisco3604
• Michael_bg 3
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis4244
• TFBlade1747
Other Games
• WagamamaTV241
Upcoming Events
Big Brain Bouts
1h 6m
Replay Cast
9h 6m
Replay Cast
18h 6m
RSL Revival
19h 6m
Classic vs GgMaChine
Rogue vs Maru
WardiTV Invitational
20h 6m
IPSL
1d 1h
Ret vs Art_Of_Turtle
Radley vs TBD
BSL
1d 4h
Replay Cast
1d 9h
RSL Revival
1d 19h
herO vs TriGGeR
NightMare vs Solar
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 23h
[ Show More ]
BSL
2 days
IPSL
2 days
eOnzErG vs TBD
G5 vs Nesh
Patches Events
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Jaedong vs Light
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Snow vs Flash
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
GSL
4 days
Classic vs Cure
Maru vs Rogue
GSL
5 days
SHIN vs Zoun
ByuN vs herO
Replay Cast
6 days
Escore
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
WardiTV Invitational
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-04-30
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Escore Tournament S2: W5
KK 2v2 League Season 1
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
2026 GSL S1
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.