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boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
November 21 2013 11:47 GMT
#1481
Anand will probably just win this via time, since Carlsen is in a situation where he really has to take care of every single move. As a guy with a quite low ELO (around 1700, based on german "DWZ" of 1650. google said that you can add 50-100 points to get your ELO, an exact method to get one number via the other seems not to be existing), I do not know what to do :/
mdb
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Bulgaria4059 Posts
November 21 2013 11:48 GMT
#1482
I wonder what are Carlsen concerns in this postion. He is thinking for a quite a long time now.
urboss
Profile Joined September 2013
Austria1223 Posts
November 21 2013 11:48 GMT
#1483
Black's position is very crammed.
Its only chance is the passed pawn.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18565 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-21 11:50:51
November 21 2013 11:50 GMT
#1484
On November 21 2013 20:46 Ketch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 20:41 Plexa wrote:
On November 21 2013 20:39 wingpawn wrote:
This position is so entertaining. I can even imagine the lines where Black gets 2nd Queen only to get checkmated anyway.

ATM, the a6-Knight is ridiculous, and with lack of activity for Black, it looks like drawing this will be a miracle for Carlsen.


At the risk of violating my own mod note... it's this kind of position which nicely illustrates the difference between computer and human chess all the engines are saying this is a drawish position but there looks to be so many interesting human lines because the drawn lines require perfect play.


Yeah computer evaluations do not display risk properly somehow


well since computers play without error in the later stages I don't think they'd have to value risk properly, no?

(Sorry, this was just my opinion - I dont want to start on the computer vs human thing!!!)

Also note I am only talking about the later stages here!
Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
November 21 2013 11:51 GMT
#1485
Carlsen got balls of steel to play the pawn b3 on the queen's side. Seems like he is confident in his position despite his inactive knight.
Countdown to victory: 1 200!
Malli
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany138 Posts
November 21 2013 11:52 GMT
#1486
I think white's attack is also now hard to push, with the threat on b3 and maybe bishop on f5 later if f6 happens.
gg no re
urboss
Profile Joined September 2013
Austria1223 Posts
November 21 2013 11:52 GMT
#1487
The first time that a draw seems to be the most unlikely outcome.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
November 21 2013 11:52 GMT
#1488
On November 21 2013 20:51 Hryul wrote:
Carlsen got balls of steel to play the pawn b3 on the queen's side. Seems like he is confident in his position despite his inactive knight.

I think he likes the idea of getting his white bishop to f5 which controls the queening square if anand plays f6 met with g6 ... Bf5
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7230 Posts
November 21 2013 11:57 GMT
#1489
On November 21 2013 20:52 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 20:51 Hryul wrote:
Carlsen got balls of steel to play the pawn b3 on the queen's side. Seems like he is confident in his position despite his inactive knight.

I think he likes the idea of getting his white bishop to f5 which controls the queening square if anand plays f6 met with g6 ... Bf5


I hope that's why he went into the tank to check that fully. He's in time trouble and can't afford another 20m think.
日本語が分かりますか
Kabras
Profile Joined June 2011
Romania3508 Posts
November 21 2013 12:01 GMT
#1490
Carlsen won't probably spend more than 5-7 minutes on the remaining moves.. he did this more than once in this match, spent 20+ minutes on one move then played pretty fast. if this isn't the case, then maybe he really is in a pickle. i liked b3, i think letting Anand committing to an attack and then defending is better instead of trying to prevent the attack altogether. one thing he's got going for him is that if he doesn't straight up lose to vishy's pawns, his endgame position will be much better. at least we shouldn't get a draw today .
"So playing SF in pubs, everyone remember that a very important point is that when using a carry hero like this you must be very selfish. Because working with team mates is a very dangerous thing" - 2009
Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-21 12:11:39
November 21 2013 12:01 GMT
#1491
On November 21 2013 20:52 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 20:51 Hryul wrote:
Carlsen got balls of steel to play the pawn b3 on the queen's side. Seems like he is confident in his position despite his inactive knight.

I think he likes the idea of getting his white bishop to f5 which controls the queening square if anand plays f6 met with g6 ... Bf5

I like the idea but I can't see it happening in the near future. Two pieces control f5 atm and g6xf5 would open the g line for white.
Edit: assuming a knight/bishop trade beforehand.

Further edit: I don't think white f6 is that good of an idea. the answer g6 limits both the white bishop and knight. I don't see any obvious good fields after f6g6. but maybe Anand shows something smart with it.
Countdown to victory: 1 200!
Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
November 21 2013 12:02 GMT
#1492
Love this game so far
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Ketch
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands7285 Posts
November 21 2013 12:04 GMT
#1493
On November 21 2013 20:57 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 20:52 Plexa wrote:
On November 21 2013 20:51 Hryul wrote:
Carlsen got balls of steel to play the pawn b3 on the queen's side. Seems like he is confident in his position despite his inactive knight.

I think he likes the idea of getting his white bishop to f5 which controls the queening square if anand plays f6 met with g6 ... Bf5


I hope that's why he went into the tank to check that fully. He's in time trouble and can't afford another 20m think.


He can think in Anand's time anyway also. That's always something that is a bit disregarded imho
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
November 21 2013 12:13 GMT
#1494
On November 21 2013 21:01 Hryul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 20:52 Plexa wrote:
On November 21 2013 20:51 Hryul wrote:
Carlsen got balls of steel to play the pawn b3 on the queen's side. Seems like he is confident in his position despite his inactive knight.

I think he likes the idea of getting his white bishop to f5 which controls the queening square if anand plays f6 met with g6 ... Bf5

I like the idea but I can't see it happening in the near future. Two pieces control f5 atm and g6xf5 would open the g line for white.
Edit: assuming a knight/bishop trade beforehand.

Further edit: I don't think white f6 is that good of an idea. the answer g6 limits both the white bishop and knight. I don't see any obvious good fields after f6g6. but maybe Anand shows something smart with it.

Yeah I agree. f6 seems like a scary idea, but it seems to throw any attacking ideas white has away after being met with g6. Nh5 seems like a better idea.
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7230 Posts
November 21 2013 12:16 GMT
#1495
Anand been on this move a long time, do you think he missed b3?
日本語が分かりますか
Arevall
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden1133 Posts
November 21 2013 12:17 GMT
#1496
Oh, and now Anand is down to 40 minutes! This is great
Fishgle
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2174 Posts
November 21 2013 12:18 GMT
#1497
i actually like h4; it strengthens g5, and gives freedom to the queen to deal with the pawn or whatnot.

then again, i know very little about chess.
aka ChillyGonzalo / GnozL
hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
November 21 2013 12:19 GMT
#1498
On November 21 2013 20:41 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 20:39 wingpawn wrote:
This position is so entertaining. I can even imagine the lines where Black gets 2nd Queen only to get checkmated anyway.

ATM, the a6-Knight is ridiculous, and with lack of activity for Black, it looks like drawing this will be a miracle for Carlsen.


At the risk of violating my own mod note... it's this kind of position which nicely illustrates the difference between computer and human chess all the engines are saying this is a drawish position but there looks to be so many interesting human lines because the drawn lines require perfect play.


0.00 doesn't necessarily mean drawish. It just means the engine can't prove an advantage for one side or another. It might mean that the positions at the end of the analysis are approximately equal, but still rich in possibilities. And of course the engine could be just plain wrong.
"Sending people in rockets to other planets is a waste of money better spent on sending rockets into people on this planet."
Pik
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany176 Posts
November 21 2013 12:19 GMT
#1499
hm Anand doesnt looks too confident now
wow, this gank is gonna be easy....
urboss
Profile Joined September 2013
Austria1223 Posts
November 21 2013 12:19 GMT
#1500
I would also prefer h4 just because I like the pawn wall for aesthetic reasons..
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