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Diving europe between western and eastern is like diving the usa between east coast and west coast forgetting about other regions such as midwest,south nord etc.By the iron curtain definition texas would fit in the western usa
Back to Europe there are many divisions of Europe between Western,Central,Eastern.For example what is the Czech republic.Eastern or Western?By the mods definition it is eastern since it belong behind the iron curtain.By realistic scholars you can not put in the czech republic in the same boat with ucraine and Russia.If anything the czech republic is more closer to Germany than Russia.
And Romania is a central european country not eastern.We do not like ot be identified eastern europe.We consider it innapropiate
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I voted top contributor because there was no option to nominate myself for best poster
We got way more crackas here than I thought!
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On September 02 2013 03:01 Cascade wrote:
5% posts a lot. Damn vocal minority! > : (
Can us normal people that don't post a lot refer to ourselves as "the 95%" of TL?
What's sad is that Shellbot probably accounts for the 1% all by himself, with another couple of percent coming from select other people.
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On September 02 2013 04:23 theking1 wrote:
And Romania is a central european country not eastern.We do not like ot be identified eastern europe.We consider it innapropiate
Who is "we"?
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On September 02 2013 04:28 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 04:23 theking1 wrote:
And Romania is a central european country not eastern.We do not like ot be identified eastern europe.We consider it innapropiate
Who is "we"?
most of the romanians who go to school and learn a bit of geography.In school textbooks Romania is identified as central european never eastern.It is a matter of scientific fact.Also putting ROmania along with the slavic countries in the same category is a bit misleading.See how you dry snitch on yourself  ?you are either not a romanian or have never been to a romanian school because in Romania you never find the clasiffication of Romania as an eastern country.
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On September 02 2013 04:32 theking1 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 04:28 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On September 02 2013 04:23 theking1 wrote:
And Romania is a central european country not eastern.We do not like ot be identified eastern europe.We consider it innapropiate
Who is "we"? most of the romanians who go to school and learn a bit of geography.In school textbooks Romania is identified as central european never eastern.It is a matter of scientific fact.Also putting ROmania along with the slavic countries in the same category is a bit misleading.See how you dry snitch on yourself ?you are either not a romanian or have never been to a romanian school because in Romania you never find the clasiffication of Romania as an eastern country.
Human-crafted geographic labels are not scientific fact, or did you miss that part in school?
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On September 02 2013 04:35 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 04:32 theking1 wrote:On September 02 2013 04:28 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On September 02 2013 04:23 theking1 wrote:
And Romania is a central european country not eastern.We do not like ot be identified eastern europe.We consider it innapropiate
Who is "we"? most of the romanians who go to school and learn a bit of geography.In school textbooks Romania is identified as central european never eastern.It is a matter of scientific fact.Also putting ROmania along with the slavic countries in the same category is a bit misleading.See how you dry snitch on yourself ?you are either not a romanian or have never been to a romanian school because in Romania you never find the clasiffication of Romania as an eastern country. Human-crafted geographic labels are not scientific fact, or did you miss that part in school?
Would you say the same about any kind of taxonomy in biology? ;p
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On September 02 2013 04:35 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 04:32 theking1 wrote:On September 02 2013 04:28 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On September 02 2013 04:23 theking1 wrote:
And Romania is a central european country not eastern.We do not like ot be identified eastern europe.We consider it innapropiate
Who is "we"? most of the romanians who go to school and learn a bit of geography.In school textbooks Romania is identified as central european never eastern.It is a matter of scientific fact.Also putting ROmania along with the slavic countries in the same category is a bit misleading.See how you dry snitch on yourself ?you are either not a romanian or have never been to a romanian school because in Romania you never find the clasiffication of Romania as an eastern country. Human-crafted geographic labels are not scientific fact, or did you miss that part in school?
Most geographers identify themselves as scientists and geography as a fact.this is why their discoveries facts are also scientific facts
as an optional proof
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography
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lol, lowland tundra and deciduous forest are scientific facts, words like "central" are not. It isn't exactly difficult to parse out the difference.
Edit: Since we're quoting wikipedia...
Central Europe, sometimes referred to as Middle Europe or Median Europe, is a region of the European continent lying between the variously defined areas of Eastern and Western Europe. Widespread interest in the region[2] and the term itself resurfaced[3] by the end of the Cold War, which had divided Europe politically into East and West, splitting Central Europe in half.[4][5]
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On September 02 2013 04:32 theking1 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 04:28 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On September 02 2013 04:23 theking1 wrote:
And Romania is a central european country not eastern.We do not like ot be identified eastern europe.We consider it innapropiate
Who is "we"? most of the romanians who go to school and learn a bit of geography.In school textbooks Romania is identified as central european never eastern.It is a matter of scientific fact.Also putting ROmania along with the slavic countries in the same category is a bit misleading.See how you dry snitch on yourself ?you are either not a romanian or have never been to a romanian school because in Romania you never find the clasiffication of Romania as an eastern country.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Europe
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Pretty sure we have more in common with Russia and Ukraine than with Germany, Poland, Austria.
And nope, I was born here and raised here, but thanks for your concern.
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On September 02 2013 04:46 farvacola wrote:
lol, lowland tundra and deciduous forest are scientific facts, words like "central" are not. It isn't exactly difficult to parse out the difference.
are the left hemisphere of the brain and the right hemisphere also nonscientifical things?And where do you pass the line between scientifical and unscientificall.but as a side note even geographical interpretations are based on many factors:social,scientifical,geological borders etc.The notion of eastern vs western europe based on the iron curtain is in itself by your definintion nonsceitifical since the iron curtain was a purely political border made by man who lasted less than 50 years.geographically there are no major separations between wester/eastern/central europe.the actual sepration does not have geological boundries but more human and social boundries.Western europe aka France,britain,Germany(many place it in Central Europe),Netherlands,Spain,Portugal has more to do with the western culture of human right,high standard of living,world dominance and influence etc.Nothing scientifical or geological just plain human development and behavior.
I only said that simply because you can hardly find geographers that would put Rusia and the Czech republic in the same region simply because of the iron curtain.
@master of puppets
you are talking nonsense and you know it.We literally have nothing in common with ucraine and russia beside borders.we speak a latin language simmilar to french and spanish,have been part of the roman empire,have had regions owner by the hungarian and austrian empire etc.We literally only had to deal intensively with the russians after the second world war which is a fraction of romanias millenia long history.And even today our politicians try to get Romania closer to the western world than to Russia.
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On September 02 2013 04:54 theking1 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 04:46 farvacola wrote:
lol, lowland tundra and deciduous forest are scientific facts, words like "central" are not. It isn't exactly difficult to parse out the difference. are the left hemisphere of the brain and the right hemisphere also nonscientifical things?And where do you pass the line between scientifical and unscientificall.but as a side note even geographical interpretations are based on many factors:social,scientifical,geological borders etc.The notion of eastern vs western europe based on the iron curtain is in itself by your definintion nonsceitifical since the iron curtain was a purely political border made by man who lasted less than 50 years.geographically there are no major separations between wester/eastern/central europe.the actual sepration does not have geological boundries but more human and social boundries.Western europe aka France,britain,Germany(many place it in Central Europe),Netherlands,Spain,Portugal has more to do with the western culture of human right,high standard of living,world dominance and influence etc.Nothing scientifical or geological just plain human development and behavior. I only said that simply because you can hardly find geographers that would put Rusia and the Czech republic in the same region simply because of the iron curtain.
The point is that arguments over what constitutes "Central Europe" are inevitably tied to some form of subjectivity, and that's why having them in the first place is pretty silly.
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On September 02 2013 04:59 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 04:54 theking1 wrote:On September 02 2013 04:46 farvacola wrote:
lol, lowland tundra and deciduous forest are scientific facts, words like "central" are not. It isn't exactly difficult to parse out the difference. are the left hemisphere of the brain and the right hemisphere also nonscientifical things?And where do you pass the line between scientifical and unscientificall.but as a side note even geographical interpretations are based on many factors:social,scientifical,geological borders etc.The notion of eastern vs western europe based on the iron curtain is in itself by your definintion nonsceitifical since the iron curtain was a purely political border made by man who lasted less than 50 years.geographically there are no major separations between wester/eastern/central europe.the actual sepration does not have geological boundries but more human and social boundries.Western europe aka France,britain,Germany(many place it in Central Europe),Netherlands,Spain,Portugal has more to do with the western culture of human right,high standard of living,world dominance and influence etc.Nothing scientifical or geological just plain human development and behavior. I only said that simply because you can hardly find geographers that would put Rusia and the Czech republic in the same region simply because of the iron curtain. The point is that arguments over what constitutes "Central Europe" are inevitably tied to some form of subjectivity, and that's why having them in the first place is pretty silly.
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gg no re. Though it does have southern Europe as well
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On September 02 2013 05:09 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 04:59 farvacola wrote:On September 02 2013 04:54 theking1 wrote:On September 02 2013 04:46 farvacola wrote:
lol, lowland tundra and deciduous forest are scientific facts, words like "central" are not. It isn't exactly difficult to parse out the difference. are the left hemisphere of the brain and the right hemisphere also nonscientifical things?And where do you pass the line between scientifical and unscientificall.but as a side note even geographical interpretations are based on many factors:social,scientifical,geological borders etc.The notion of eastern vs western europe based on the iron curtain is in itself by your definintion nonsceitifical since the iron curtain was a purely political border made by man who lasted less than 50 years.geographically there are no major separations between wester/eastern/central europe.the actual sepration does not have geological boundries but more human and social boundries.Western europe aka France,britain,Germany(many place it in Central Europe),Netherlands,Spain,Portugal has more to do with the western culture of human right,high standard of living,world dominance and influence etc.Nothing scientifical or geological just plain human development and behavior. I only said that simply because you can hardly find geographers that would put Rusia and the Czech republic in the same region simply because of the iron curtain. The point is that arguments over what constitutes "Central Europe" are inevitably tied to some form of subjectivity, and that's why having them in the first place is pretty silly. + Show Spoiler [pic] +gg no re. Though it does have southern Europe as well
bahahaha, I submit. Risk trumps all!
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On September 02 2013 05:10 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 05:09 Toadesstern wrote:On September 02 2013 04:59 farvacola wrote:On September 02 2013 04:54 theking1 wrote:On September 02 2013 04:46 farvacola wrote:
lol, lowland tundra and deciduous forest are scientific facts, words like "central" are not. It isn't exactly difficult to parse out the difference. are the left hemisphere of the brain and the right hemisphere also nonscientifical things?And where do you pass the line between scientifical and unscientificall.but as a side note even geographical interpretations are based on many factors:social,scientifical,geological borders etc.The notion of eastern vs western europe based on the iron curtain is in itself by your definintion nonsceitifical since the iron curtain was a purely political border made by man who lasted less than 50 years.geographically there are no major separations between wester/eastern/central europe.the actual sepration does not have geological boundries but more human and social boundries.Western europe aka France,britain,Germany(many place it in Central Europe),Netherlands,Spain,Portugal has more to do with the western culture of human right,high standard of living,world dominance and influence etc.Nothing scientifical or geological just plain human development and behavior. I only said that simply because you can hardly find geographers that would put Rusia and the Czech republic in the same region simply because of the iron curtain. The point is that arguments over what constitutes "Central Europe" are inevitably tied to some form of subjectivity, and that's why having them in the first place is pretty silly. + Show Spoiler [pic] +gg no re. Though it does have southern Europe as well bahahaha, I submit. Risk trumps all!
Ukraine is not weak! Well in this case Romania, I guess.
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I think the confusion is between identifying yourself culturally vs. a simple geographic reference. I don't think language references and Russian influence have anything to do with geography on a longitudinal basis. The TL census is not asking cultural question, rather geographical. Thus, if asked with a choice between Western and Eastern (there is no central for that reason) you must select Eastern because your country is a good ways East if we make an imaginary line through Europe. Poland is the most ambiguous choice from a geography perspective, imo. I think we should leave culture out of it, and simply draw a line somewhere around Finland or Poland, due South.
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I would like to add that I use Ad block at work by force and ad block at home but exclude TL and I think 2 other sites.
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On September 02 2013 05:13 Crisium wrote:
I think the confusion is between identifying yourself culturally vs. a simple geographic reference. Why bring up language references and Russian influence as an argument for geography? The TL census is not asking cultural question, rather geographical. Thus, if asked with a choice between Western and Eastern (there is no central for that reason) you must select Eastern because your country is a good ways East if we make an imaginary line through Europe. Poland is the most ambiguous choice from a geography perspective, imo. Why bring up culture?
Spice up a thread with an argument?
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I don't want to, I shouldn't have ended that with a question. Rather, a statement that the census is not cultural, imo. I'll fix that.
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I'm from South Africa... Feel a bit left out that there wasn't an option for the whole of Afria o_0
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