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Maxie
Sweden2653 Posts
On July 24 2013 19:39 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: I agree, sex is evil. Society would be much better off without sex....wait what? Thinking that it's too early for 4-6 year olds doesn't mean that I think it's evil, I think ~10 would be a better age (still earlier than when it's currently dealt with in school here). | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20275 Posts
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On July 24 2013 16:47 Ghostcom wrote: How about we all take a deep breathe and actually read what the others write before posting nonsense? He was referring to the prize you would have to pay for a phone without a plan which you would have to do if you wanted to give your kids a phone without data, as pretty much any plan includes data. There's a gazillion of androids that doesn't cost a fortune without a plan. | ||
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Jitensha
Sweden68 Posts
On July 24 2013 19:53 Maxie wrote: Thinking that it's too early for 4-6 year olds doesn't mean that I think it's evil, I think ~10 would be a better age (still earlier than when it's currently dealt with in school here). I vividly remember there being a book in kindergarden that described sex, accompanied by drawn pictures of a naked adult man and woman. Nothing graphical or detailed about the intercourse itself except the base mechanics though. Wasn't considered strange, especially not by us kids. | ||
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Rockafella
United Kingdom291 Posts
On July 24 2013 08:46 Leporello wrote: Young kids have ridiculously easy access to porn. It's disturbing to me, to think of adolescents being able to access some of these sites which are full of some hardcore imagery right on its front page. As others have mentioned, my generation never saw all this crazy hardcore porn that kids are seeing now. We had to use magazines, mostly. If someone had a VHS with any kind of sex, it would be kind of a big deal, and it probably wouldn't contain the type of all-out craziness that is put on the front-page of these websites. There's been numerous studies about how even adults become desensitized to visual sexual stimulation, and how porn becomes addictive which drives the viewers to seek more and more provocative images. This effects people's sexual lives, which obviously is a big part of life in general. Yes, it's the parents' job to monitor their kids, and monitor the family PC. But if UK, as a society, wants to place some extra laws and measures to keep kids away from internet porn, I'm all for that. People crying "Freedom!" are being a little sensational, I think. All this is doing is making parental-filters something the parents can actually control directly with their ISP, instead of just being a browser option that any kid can simply turn off -- parental filters are simply too easy. It isn't like a child-protection on a lighter or pill-bottle -- kid hands can handle the internet and parental controls, just as easily as adult hands. This isn't the prosecution of Larry Flynt, no one is banning porn. This just seems like a good idea to me, something ISPs should've probably been doing but had no incentive to do (not just because most of them act like monopolies). The state shouldn't have to make sure the kids are raised properly, if it was an opt-out thing for parents of children to do then it would be fine rather than opt-in, however the majority of parents probably would preferably still prefer access to porn (though they would maybe not admit it to their other half). Add this to the fact that you will probably be placed on a list for opting in and it's a horrific idea. How about Parents making sure that their kids don't have access to the internet without supervision until they are in their early to mid teens at least.. | ||
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FractalsOnFire
Australia1756 Posts
I'm surprised no one posted this up yet? | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
It's not : - A restriction of freedom. - A stupid thing to block some thing from the start even if you as a parent have to do your work (like the TV system in place). - a BAN of porn It is : - A political thing because it's not blockable entirely (torrents, ddl etc.. of non official sites) and could encourage piracy of porn (yes porn is not free) because all legit sites would be blocked but not pirated ones. It is a forum with people that know theire way around computer. But for people that DON'T know how to block things... How to prevent childrens and teenagers to access it.. It can be a good thing. Hell my 6year old niece found by herself how to copy her disney films from the pc to the ipad... imagine what can do my 10year old niece with a computer | ||
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hfglgg
Germany5372 Posts
kindergarten is fine. i am absolutely sure you can teach children of any age anything as long as you do it in the right way. i highly doubt they will be scarred for life because they know what else their primary sex organs are for. on a in my eyes somewhat related note: the netherlands are probably the country with the most open and proggressive approach to porn and sexuality. its just there and people dont seem to see it as something super evil that will bring down society. the netherlands are also the (western) country with the least teenage pregnancies of all and i do not believe those two things are unrelated and pure coincidence. especially when the country with the highest rate in (western) europe is the UK. | ||
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cloneThorN
Denmark302 Posts
On July 23 2013 21:57 i zig zag around you wrote: i don't know what you think rape is, but rape looks nothing like "simulated" rape on video. i've never thought about this before, but now that i am, i can see why the government wants to remove access to "simulated" rape porn and child porn since it, apparently, does turn on a percentage of people. it's just a thought, but really, if someone is turned on by rape and sex with children, aren't they *more likely* to become the ones who do this? i mean, that's just what i think, lol. No. Every single male in history of mankind have atleast once in their life wanted to be some kind of brutal warrior or warlord, and alot of people still want to be that(go into a comic store if you don't belive me). This does not mean we go around and kill eachother. Thats something psychopaths and very fundamental religious people do. Imo, if you want to protect the kids and youth by banning "dangerous" things, then ban any form of religion, as that shizzle actully tries to make you do it's bidding. | ||
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Reason
United Kingdom2770 Posts
On July 24 2013 20:36 FFW_Rude wrote: I really don't understand what the big problem is ... It exists on the cable and TV for like 10 years. Do it on the internet and you get a fucktons of : "NOOOOOOOO". This thing already exists. Maybe i'm too old and i'm being conservative or something It's not : - A restriction of freedom. - A stupid thing to block some thing from the start even if you as a parent have to do your work (like the TV system in place). - a BAN of porn So no types of porn are being made illegal? | ||
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woreyour
582 Posts
But I can see that yes indeed internet has influenced children these days to be oh so liberal but these are fast times and I really think it is up to the parents to really instill understanding about these topics (sex and all). Parents just need to adapt to these fast times and maybe the gov't could provide better tools or programs on how to tackle instilling knowledge to parents on how for them to properly educate or explain to their children. Maybe help them do better parenting with these topics. | ||
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
On July 24 2013 19:44 bardtown wrote: Unfortunately we have only useless alternatives because the unions went completely against the candidate the public/everybody else wanted to lead the Labour party. The current government is also a coalition between our Conservative party and our "liberal" party who, as it turns out, are liberal in name only and have abandoned all their moral values since 2010. This government should have collapsed years ago but the Liberal Democrats didn't have the backbone to stand up for their own policies. But Labour is led by the wrong person too. So we have 3 parties with simply bad leaders. This is what despair feels like, I suppose. Conservatives wont win next time. Liberal/Labour coalition in 2014 imo. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
I'm sorry but i didn't understand what you meant  | ||
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hfglgg
Germany5372 Posts
On July 24 2013 21:04 FFW_Rude wrote: I'm sorry but i didn't understand what you meant one part of the whole thing is that they just want to make something a crime where no victim is found. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On July 24 2013 21:16 hfglgg wrote: one part of the whole thing is that they just want to make something a crime where no victim is found. I might have not understood that part in the article Sorry about my stand then... | ||
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BillGates
471 Posts
On July 24 2013 01:01 []Phase[] wrote: All I can ask is... Why? porn is not 'unsafe'. As a matter of fact, and someone will have to back me up on this one, because I dont remember where I read it, research has shown that countries with pornography legally available do not increase the number of cases of rape / violence. Actually, it is quite the opposite! (skimmed the internet for some evidence : seems it is indeed true that pornography does not increase sex crime rates) Im not the kind of guy that'll immediatly say 'oh well then it MUST be so they can control our freedom', but if research shows that pornography does not negatively influences peoples behaviour, then I call this a bad move, and question the motivations behind it. Now, I dont follow UK politics, but is it perhaps from a religious motivation? Or some desperate attempt to win voters (which this won't)? Also, whats with the whole 'keep kids away from porn'-thing? Who cares if they watch porn? Sure, it's not a very accurate depiction of reality, but I dont see it leading to any delinquent behaviour. If you are concerned about kids' sexual education, perhaps the parents should be more open about it. Schools only teach you so much. EDIT : TLDR : removing porn from the internet does not make the internet safer, because pornography is not unsafe, as is backed up by plenty of evidence. Thus removing it wont do any good whatsoever. The studies come from Sweden and Japan. And it goes even further than just normal porn. Either way the problem isn't if its safe or not, its do you have the right to self ownership, the right to private property and the right to freedom? If you don't, then the government can force ISP's to have this crap, it can force people into Chinese style censorship of the internet, it can say in 50 years time force people to throw their babies in pits of fire to satisfy the government gods. I mean its only history that this has happened. Caligula married his horse and drank blood from young virgin girls, count Dracula or Vlad the impaler, the king of Romania or that region in the time, used to go out kidnap woman, rape them, drain them of their blood and shower in it, and it was okay because he was the king, people though he had the authority and right to do that. I mean Hitler said he'd show the Jews and they were the unpopular group at the time, until soon enough everyone was in concentration camps and over 20 million Germans ultimately died in WW2 and they were the biggest losers. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23742 Posts
On July 24 2013 20:36 FFW_Rude wrote: I really don't understand what the big problem is ... It exists on the cable and TV for like 10 years. Do it on the internet and you get a fucktons of : "NOOOOOOOO". This thing already exists. Maybe i'm too old and i'm being conservative or something It's not : - A restriction of freedom. - A stupid thing to block some thing from the start even if you as a parent have to do your work (like the TV system in place). - a BAN of porn It is : - A political thing because it's not blockable entirely (torrents, ddl etc.. of non official sites) and could encourage piracy of porn (yes porn is not free) because all legit sites would be blocked but not pirated ones. It is a forum with people that know theire way around computer. But for people that DON'T know how to block things... How to prevent childrens and teenagers to access it.. It can be a good thing. Hell my 6year old niece found by herself how to copy her disney films from the pc to the ipad... imagine what can do my 10year old niece with a computer Purely on principle, if you don't live in the UK or are familiar with it. 1. The campaign was endorsed/started by the media outlets that are the most sexist, puerile and have archaic views on women. 2. Endorsed by the Conservative party, who generally bemoan the 'nanny state'. I mean, god forbid parents take some responsibility, or maybe learn to be more computer literate. | ||
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postmanana
24 Posts
There are so many husbands that will be caught out by this. 'Why would I want to watch porn? You're everything I need' just isn't going to fly any more when she finds out you've unblocked the porn filter. There was a bbc article with a headline that was something like 'April killer watched legal porn before moving onto...' I can't remember what he was moving onto, presumably the violent stuff they found in his house. I guess legal porn is now viewed as a gateway to violent porn. This is part of what lead to the proposed safeguards: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2332571/April-Jones-murder-Mark-Bridger-watched-violent-slasher-film-rape-scene-obsessed-child-porn.html (The daily mail is a terrifyingly popular, incredibly conservative, fear-mongering newspaper) He said: 'It seems Bridger lived in a fantasy world which included looking at child abuse images online. 'For some time we have been concerned about the growing number of these obscene images which are becoming more easily available and can fuel the fantasies of offenders like Bridger. 'This case points to the ever-growing evidence that there is a worrying link between looking at this vile kind of material and committing other serious sexual assaults. 'April’s death will hopefully lead to effective measures to stamp out this vile trade.' Probably the best title for an article about it that I've seen: http://www.businessinsider.com/david-camerons-awkward-porn-ban-2013-7 Simulated rape porn to be outlawed: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/looking-rape-porn-become-new-2073954 I wonder how far this goes. Will they ban terms like 'brutal' or maybe 'rough' or even 'hard'? I'm pretty nervous about this because I once searched for 'full length anime movies videos' on a school pc and the next day I was called into the assistant head teacher's office to explain why terms such as 'incest', 'bestiality' and 'brutally raped by enormous octopus' had come up on my screen. The school filter had flagged the banned keywords in the search results. | ||
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GreenGringo
349 Posts
What's funny is that the Tories like to portray Labour as radical socialists who want to abolish civil liberties. In reality, it's the Tories that are by far the most radical. They didn't even win a majority, yet the changes they've made thus far have been almost revolutionary in their scope. Most of the changes you don't even hear about. How many of you know that the Health & Social Care Act removes the government's obligation to provide universal healthcare? | ||
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Zahir
United States947 Posts
I hate how governments are always trying to play the blame game with whatever activity teenagers are doing. Porn, drugs, violent shows, rap music. It's like clockwork man. As soon as some psycho goes and shoots up a school its a scramble among grannies, soccer moms and conservative pundits to figure out which activity, popular among teens, is responsible. Because yknow, it couldnt possibly be the absentee parents or bullies or just some inherent flaw in the killer's brain. I'm also pretty fed up with this intrusive, entitled attitude of government and its defenders. It's like the concept of individual rights is just incomprehensible to some people. You can't just enslave every single aspect of your life to some abstract notion of what's best for society. A line has to be drawn somewhere. | ||
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