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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43990 Posts
March 02 2019 06:46 GMT
#9701
I want them to revoke a50 without engaging in the absurd dance beforehand.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
March 05 2019 20:00 GMT
#9702
More no deal plans have leaked although probably should have been public knowledge for a long time now.

Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-05 20:47:24
March 05 2019 20:22 GMT
#9703
It's Sky News. They are usually sensationalist. What does 80% to 90% of ALL tariffs on imports even mean? By volume, by monetary value, by categories, and by how much of each? No tariffs on food entirely, whilst keeping as high a possible on pharmaceuticals for instance? Wouldn't suprise me though. Afterall the Conservatives are salivating at the chance to destroy British agricultural industries for the sake of poorly regulated American agricultural imports.
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
March 05 2019 20:52 GMT
#9704
On March 06 2019 05:22 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
It's Sky News. They are usually sensationalist. What does 80% to 90% of ALL tariffs on imports even mean? By volume, by monetary value, by categories, and by how much of each? No tariffs on food entirely, whilst keeping as high a possible on pharmaceuticals for instance? Wouldn't suprise me though. Afterall the Conservatives are salivating at the chance to destroy British agricultural industries for the sake of poorly regulated American agricultural imports.


90% of total imported goods will have no tarrifs the 10% will be protected areas such as cars, food
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-05 21:04:08
March 05 2019 21:00 GMT
#9705
And what does 90% of total imported goods actually mean? You just repeated the tweet. Why would cars be protected? Food? Well, I guess the cost of food will go up. Wouldn't hurt me much, but it'll hurt the poor.
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
March 05 2019 21:06 GMT
#9706
On March 06 2019 06:00 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
And what does 90% of total imported goods actually mean? You just repeated the tweet. Why would cars be protected? Food? Well, I guess the cost of food will go up. Wouldn't hurt me much, but it'll hurt the poor.


Article says" According to government sources the 10-20% of more sensitive items which will retain their protection includes cars, beef, lamb, dairy and some lines of textiles."
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
March 06 2019 13:11 GMT
#9707
So...no further information incoming? Is what you just wrote the entire "article" then? What a cop out. Whatever happened to being able to make free trade deals with the rest of the world?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-12 13:29:18
March 12 2019 13:22 GMT
#9708
So this makes a hard Brexit inevitable now, correct? That or the PM resigning...

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9847 Posts
March 12 2019 13:34 GMT
#9709
On March 12 2019 22:22 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So this makes a hard Brexit inevitable now, correct? That or the PM resigning...

https://twitter.com/skydavidblevins/status/1105458007616430080


I can't see tweets when I'm at work but if this deal fails then the most likely course of action is a long delay (6 months to a year) followed by further negotiations and then an orderly Brexit.

I really don't see a no-deal situation being allowed to happen.
RIP Meatloaf <3
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-12 13:39:00
March 12 2019 13:37 GMT
#9710
On March 12 2019 22:34 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2019 22:22 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So this makes a hard Brexit inevitable now, correct? That or the PM resigning...

https://twitter.com/skydavidblevins/status/1105458007616430080


I can't see tweets when I'm at work but if this deal fails then the most likely course of action is a long delay (6 months to a year) followed by further negotiations and then an orderly Brexit.

I really don't see a no-deal situation being allowed to happen.


It says:

DUP sources: “The party cannot support the Prime Minister’s deal in tonight’s vote.” #Brexit


I mean they were the main reason she still had support and stayed in power right? So if they don't support her new agreements, or whatever it was. She is powerless, no? Hasn't the EU stated they will only support extension if the terms are agreed upon, well that ship has sailed apparently.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9847 Posts
March 12 2019 13:39 GMT
#9711
On March 12 2019 22:37 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2019 22:34 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 12 2019 22:22 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So this makes a hard Brexit inevitable now, correct? That or the PM resigning...

https://twitter.com/skydavidblevins/status/1105458007616430080


I can't see tweets when I'm at work but if this deal fails then the most likely course of action is a long delay (6 months to a year) followed by further negotiations and then an orderly Brexit.

I really don't see a no-deal situation being allowed to happen.


It says:

Show nested quote +
DUP sources: “The party cannot support the Prime Minister’s deal in tonight’s vote.” #Brexit


I mean they were the main reason she still had support and stayed in power right? So if they don't support her new agreements, or whatever it was. She is powerless, no?


To force her to resign they would have to withdraw their confidence and supply agreement, and this falls way short of that.
I don't think they would ever even do that considering the risk that Corbyn would end up in power.

She might well end up having to resign. Its difficult to know where the chips will fall. I think much will depend on the numbers in the vote later.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12088 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-12 15:17:42
March 12 2019 15:17 GMT
#9712
Oh well, at least the people working on the worst case hard brexit scenario and the logistics involved in that havn't worked in vain. Looking more and more likely as the days pass.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22373 Posts
March 12 2019 15:32 GMT
#9713
On March 12 2019 22:22 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So this makes a hard Brexit inevitable now, correct? That or the PM resigning...

https://twitter.com/skydavidblevins/status/1105458007616430080
Didn't the DUP also vote against it last time, only to then support her in a vote of no confidence?
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Longshank
Profile Joined March 2010
1648 Posts
March 12 2019 15:58 GMT
#9714
On March 13 2019 00:32 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2019 22:22 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So this makes a hard Brexit inevitable now, correct? That or the PM resigning...

https://twitter.com/skydavidblevins/status/1105458007616430080
Didn't the DUP also vote against it last time, only to then support her in a vote of no confidence?

Yep they did.

Andrea Leadsom and Chris Grayling are already talking about when to hold a third vote on the deal. This isn't over for May even if her deal is defeated tonight.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9847 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-12 16:11:07
March 12 2019 16:02 GMT
#9715
Ignore this post it was wrong
RIP Meatloaf <3
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22373 Posts
March 12 2019 16:06 GMT
#9716
On March 13 2019 00:58 Longshank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2019 00:32 Gorsameth wrote:
On March 12 2019 22:22 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So this makes a hard Brexit inevitable now, correct? That or the PM resigning...

https://twitter.com/skydavidblevins/status/1105458007616430080
Didn't the DUP also vote against it last time, only to then support her in a vote of no confidence?

Yep they did.

Andrea Leadsom and Chris Grayling are already talking about when to hold a third vote on the deal. This isn't over for May even if her deal is defeated tonight.
Because the third time voting for the same deal people will vote different... because this one is really the last last chance pinky promise.

Just so dumb....

It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
March 12 2019 19:41 GMT
#9717
May needs to resign now, this is a total shambles and she needs to take responsibility.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-12 19:44:10
March 12 2019 19:43 GMT
#9718
On March 13 2019 04:41 Zaros wrote:
May needs to resign now, this is a total shambles and she needs to take responsibility.

Isn't the only reason she's still PM because nobody else wants to be responsible for this Brexit fiasco
Neosteel Enthusiast
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
March 12 2019 19:54 GMT
#9719
On March 13 2019 04:43 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2019 04:41 Zaros wrote:
May needs to resign now, this is a total shambles and she needs to take responsibility.

Isn't the only reason she's still PM because nobody else wants to be responsible for this Brexit fiasco


This is bollocks. Boris, Gove, Raab, Hunt, Javid, Truss, Rudd and many others would all jump at the chance to take over even now. This noone wants to take over is spin from May's team
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6274 Posts
March 12 2019 20:11 GMT
#9720
I agree she should go but what's the alternative? There's no majority for the deal, a no deal or staying in the EU.
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