Remember when Papa Johns promised those things? I don't know if they happened yet but maybe they will soon. Some of then had to do with some Cross-Gaming stuff, don't remember what. Seems kind of fitting with that logo?
On June 25 2013 01:04 Eufouria wrote: Oh dear, I made the mistake of reading more posts in this thread. Gay propaganda lolwut.
Damn those conniving gays, sneaking into positions of power to push their gay agenda and now they've got into Team Liquid! What about us straight people, its only a matter of time before society as we know it collapses.
Seriously though I would hope the majority of team liquid believes in racial equality, it blows my mind that so many people can't see that their homophobic views are no different to racist views. I hope that in 100 years people can look back at now and say "I can't believe our laws used to be so prejudaced towards gay people" in the same way we do now towards old racist and sexist laws.
Race and sexual preference are not the same. One is controllable. The other is not. I do not hate or vilify gays. I simply disagree with what they are doing. It goes against our biological design. It is a distortion.
But I do not hate a person if they choose to do that. Like many other opinions, I simply disagree with them. I try not to let that color my interactions with that person or group. Part of being rational is learning to carry your opinions rather than dropping them on people with a sledgehammer. Many of the people here choking out anti-gay sentiments should learn to do the same.
If you really think that sexual preference are controllable, then you might be bisexual or pansexual.
I am heterosexual. I think sexual preference is controllable. I am open to being proven wrong. If not, then there is still the grounds of an evolutionary anomaly.
I told you, I simply disagree with your viewpoint. I know that by expressing myself like this I am bound to come under fire.
Go have sex with a man and enjoy it. If preference is controllable, decide to be gay for a day. And evolution doesn't have "anomalies." You really don't understand evolution if you think it just makes stuff bad at survival and then lets it keep living.
I told you I was bound to come under fire.
What exactly are you getting at here? Are you telling me that I have no grounds to think what I think? "You really don't understand evolution if you think it makes stuff bad at survival..."
What?
It doesn't matter whether or not I enjoy having sex with a man, I would still be choosing to do it. Is that a harsh viewpoint? Abso-fucking-lutely. Is it still the one I ascribe to? Yes. Psychologically, most behaviors are learned. But there are grounds to think either way.
Your viewpoint isn't "harsh." It's just ignorant. You're clinging to something science has long debunked and you're oddly proud of it. Whatever, I don't have time for you anymore. I'm gonna go paint my asscheeks rainbow and moon a chik-fil-a.
On June 25 2013 01:04 Eufouria wrote: Oh dear, I made the mistake of reading more posts in this thread. Gay propaganda lolwut.
Damn those conniving gays, sneaking into positions of power to push their gay agenda and now they've got into Team Liquid! What about us straight people, its only a matter of time before society as we know it collapses.
Seriously though I would hope the majority of team liquid believes in racial equality, it blows my mind that so many people can't see that their homophobic views are no different to racist views. I hope that in 100 years people can look back at now and say "I can't believe our laws used to be so prejudaced towards gay people" in the same way we do now towards old racist and sexist laws.
Race and sexual preference are not the same. One is controllable. The other is not. I do not hate or vilify gays. I simply disagree with what they are doing. It goes against our biological design. It is a distortion.
But I do not hate a person if they choose to do that. Like many other opinions, I simply disagree with them. I try not to let that color my interactions with that person or group. Part of being rational is learning to carry your opinions rather than dropping them on people with a sledgehammer. Many of the people here choking out anti-gay sentiments should learn to do the same.
If you really think that sexual preference are controllable, then you might be bisexual or pansexual.
I am heterosexual. I think sexual preference is controllable. I am open to being proven wrong. If not, then there is still the grounds of an evolutionary anomaly.
I told you, I simply disagree with your viewpoint. I know that by expressing myself like this I am bound to come under fire.
Go have sex with a man and enjoy it. If preference is controllable, decide to be gay for a day. And evolution doesn't have "anomalies." You really don't understand evolution if you think it just makes stuff bad at survival and then lets it keep living.
I told you I was bound to come under fire.
What exactly are you getting at here? Are you telling me that I have no grounds to think what I think? "You really don't understand evolution if you think it makes stuff bad at survival..."
What?
It doesn't matter whether or not I enjoy having sex with a man, I would still be choosing to do it. Is that a harsh viewpoint? Abso-fucking-lutely. Is it still the one I ascribe to? Yes. Psychologically, most behaviors are learned. But there are grounds to think either way.
Your viewpoint isn't "harsh." It's just ignorant. You're clinging to something science has long debunked and you're oddly proud of it. Whatever, I don't have time for you anymore. I'm gonna go paint my asscheeks rainbow and moon a chik-fil-a.
I find myself with a question for the people claiming that if sex isn't for reproduction then it is wrong because it is 'against the design of evolution' or whatever.
Do you apply the same rigorous standards of darwinian natural selection to all aspects of your life, or just when it suits you? Even Dawkins stated he wouldn't want to live in such a society and he's about the biggest proponent of evolution you'll find.
Hi. I posed a challenge in one of my previous posts that you chose to ignore (but you answerd my other post that was RIGHT beneath that one, guess you missed it)
Can you honestly say that you can "control" the kind of women (assuming youre male) youre attracted to? If so, prove it by writing down what you find LEAST attractive with a woman and then go date women like that. If attraction is a choice you should just be able to find the least attractive feat of these women the most attractive. Right?
(oh and addition; these are the only women you may date from now on)
Much of attraction is still a learned behavior. Assuming I am male, yes...And there are so many components to attraction that "writing down the kind of women" I am attracted to is of little use. I guarantee you that things like weight, mindset, intelligence, - play far more into what kind of woman I am attracted to than the color of her hair, skin, or eyes, or shape of her features.
"If attraction is a choice you should just be able to find the least attractive feat of these women the most attractive..."
If I thought about it enough, created a fetish, was exposed predominantly to something most would find unattractive from a young age, or had a particular predisposition yes...But a predisposition is not the same as being "genetically wired to hold a specific sexual preference."
Your last sentence is just an attack. If I choose to date someone, no matter who it is, I choose to date them. I could go out with the fattest, most overweight man or woman on earth and regardless of whether it is right or wrong, or whether I am programmed to do so or not, it is still my choice and I have the power to refuse to do so.
I just happened to think that many cases of homosexual behavior are learned behaviors clashing with biological drive. Is that necessarily the right opinion? No. But neither is the predominant viewpoint here.
On June 25 2013 01:04 Eufouria wrote: Oh dear, I made the mistake of reading more posts in this thread. Gay propaganda lolwut.
Damn those conniving gays, sneaking into positions of power to push their gay agenda and now they've got into Team Liquid! What about us straight people, its only a matter of time before society as we know it collapses.
Seriously though I would hope the majority of team liquid believes in racial equality, it blows my mind that so many people can't see that their homophobic views are no different to racist views. I hope that in 100 years people can look back at now and say "I can't believe our laws used to be so prejudaced towards gay people" in the same way we do now towards old racist and sexist laws.
Race and sexual preference are not the same. One is controllable. The other is not. I do not hate or vilify gays. I simply disagree with what they are doing. It goes against our biological design. It is a distortion.
But I do not hate a person if they choose to do that. Like many other opinions, I simply disagree with them. I try not to let that color my interactions with that person or group. Part of being rational is learning to carry your opinions rather than dropping them on people with a sledgehammer. Many of the people here choking out anti-gay sentiments should learn to do the same.
If you really think that sexual preference are controllable, then you might be bisexual or pansexual.
I am heterosexual. I think sexual preference is controllable. I am open to being proven wrong. If not, then there is still the grounds of an evolutionary anomaly.
I told you, I simply disagree with your viewpoint. I know that by expressing myself like this I am bound to come under fire.
On June 25 2013 01:04 Eufouria wrote: Oh dear, I made the mistake of reading more posts in this thread. Gay propaganda lolwut.
Damn those conniving gays, sneaking into positions of power to push their gay agenda and now they've got into Team Liquid! What about us straight people, its only a matter of time before society as we know it collapses.
Seriously though I would hope the majority of team liquid believes in racial equality, it blows my mind that so many people can't see that their homophobic views are no different to racist views. I hope that in 100 years people can look back at now and say "I can't believe our laws used to be so prejudaced towards gay people" in the same way we do now towards old racist and sexist laws.
Race and sexual preference are not the same. One is controllable. The other is not. I do not hate or vilify gays. I simply disagree with what they are doing. It goes against our biological design. It is a distortion.
But I do not hate a person if they choose to do that. Like many other opinions, I simply disagree with them. I try not to let that color my interactions with that person or group. Part of being rational is learning to carry your opinions rather than dropping them on people with a sledgehammer. Many of the people here choking out anti-gay sentiments should learn to do the same.
If you really think that sexual preference are controllable, then you might be bisexual or pansexual.
I am heterosexual. I think sexual preference is controllable. I am open to being proven wrong. If not, then there is still the grounds of an evolutionary anomaly.
I told you, I simply disagree with your viewpoint. I know that by expressing myself like this I am bound to come under fire.
So, realistically, you could chose to be gay for a day and enjoy it, because it is a choice ?
I could choose to be a gay for a day, yes. I'd prefer not to. So could you.
I could chose to have sex with a man, but that won't make me gay, because I have no attraction/feeling or sexual urge toward man.
On June 25 2013 01:09 Qwyn wrote: Race and sexual preference are not the same. One is controllable. The other is not.
When did you chose not to be homosexual?
Maybe he has good parents. One can however choose to be homosexual. People (especially children with their fragile minds and lack of firm ideals) having their faces pressed against lots of rainbow stuff and creatures of arbitrary gender around may think "Oh, what if I am actually special? Oh, they say it's ok. Oh, they say I was born this way. I should give this a try."
Reading through this thread made me kinda sad. I didn't know that people still thought this way, especially on a website like TL. There are people out there that still believe that being gay is a choice? Yikes.
Anyways, here's for a TL LoL team!
On June 25 2013 01:36 Taosu wrote:One can however choose to be homosexual. People (especially children with their fragile minds and lack of firm ideals) having their faces pressed against lots of rainbow stuff and creatures of arbitrary gender around may think "Oh, what if I am actually special? Oh, they say it's ok. Oh, they say I was born this way. I should give this a try."
I.. I can't tell if this is supposed to be a joke, or not.
On June 25 2013 01:04 Eufouria wrote: Oh dear, I made the mistake of reading more posts in this thread. Gay propaganda lolwut.
Damn those conniving gays, sneaking into positions of power to push their gay agenda and now they've got into Team Liquid! What about us straight people, its only a matter of time before society as we know it collapses.
Seriously though I would hope the majority of team liquid believes in racial equality, it blows my mind that so many people can't see that their homophobic views are no different to racist views. I hope that in 100 years people can look back at now and say "I can't believe our laws used to be so prejudaced towards gay people" in the same way we do now towards old racist and sexist laws.
Race and sexual preference are not the same. One is controllable. The other is not. I do not hate or vilify gays. I simply disagree with what they are doing. It goes against our biological design. It is a distortion.
But I do not hate a person if they choose to do that. Like many other opinions, I simply disagree with them. I try not to let that color my interactions with that person or group. Part of being rational is learning to carry your opinions rather than dropping them on people with a sledgehammer. Many of the people here choking out anti-gay sentiments should learn to do the same.
If you really think that sexual preference are controllable, then you might be bisexual or pansexual.
I am heterosexual. I think sexual preference is controllable. I am open to being proven wrong. If not, then there is still the grounds of an evolutionary anomaly.
I told you, I simply disagree with your viewpoint. I know that by expressing myself like this I am bound to come under fire.
Go have sex with a man and enjoy it. If preference is controllable, decide to be gay for a day. And evolution doesn't have "anomalies." You really don't understand evolution if you think it just makes stuff bad at survival and then lets it keep living.
I told you I was bound to come under fire.
What exactly are you getting at here? Are you telling me that I have no grounds to think what I think? "You really don't understand evolution if you think it makes stuff bad at survival..."
What?
It doesn't matter whether or not I enjoy having sex with a man, I would still be choosing to do it. Is that a harsh viewpoint? Abso-fucking-lutely. Is it still the one I ascribe to? Yes. Psychologically, most behaviors are learned. But there are grounds to think either way.
The idea that people have any concious control over their sexual orientation was debunked back in the 70s.
Please go educate yourself before you spout more offensive drivel:
Guys, some of you forgot the first TL Commandment:
1. THIS IS OUR HOUSE
You are our guests. We will make all attempts to treat everyone with due respect and to accommodate everyone's wishes as far as reasonably possible. But, this is a private site. We are not funded by any governments. This means we run the site the way we see fit. We are not obligated to observe anyone's notions of "free speech" or even "fairness." We try of course, and that's why we're consistently considered one of the best gaming sites on the web, and you are always free to give us suggestions (Website Feedback Forum). But, we have our limits. If we don't like you, we simply ban you.
Moments like this make my name very fitting. Never really saw the point of threads that go 50 pages with 95% of posts saying the same thing. Guess it makes people feel good, fitting in, being compassionate and such.
On June 25 2013 01:35 Iyerbeth wrote: I find myself with a question about the people claiming that if sex isn't for reproduction then it is wrong because it is 'against the designof evolution' or whatever.
Do you apply the same rigorous standards of darwinian natural selection to all aspects of your life, or just when it suits you? Even Dawkins stated he wouldn't want to live in such a society and he's about the biggest proponent of evolution you'll find.
...
I said that the primary purpose of sex is reproduction. All mammals on earth use sex as a means of reproduction. Humans are unique on this earth, but why should that change the purpose of sex? That purpose dictates the vast majority of the world's sexual preference. It might be a harsh viewpoint, but it doesn't make it any less valid.
I have been saying over and over again that any biological programming or learned behavior is overshadowed by choice...
On June 25 2013 01:30 shawster wrote: the fact that people are saying that equality is political shows how close minded certain individuals are
keep it up tl!
If it involves making a change, it is by definition political. I mean, I agree with TL and support gay marriage, but you're inferring an objective right and wrong in a completely subjective forum, that being society. Society is what we make of it, and that includes "equality" and who deserves it. Thinking that you are definitively right is a trap both sides of the debate fall in to. Just remember that as sure as you are in your opinion, so is the other side, and as dumb and wrong as you picture them, they're seeing the exact same thing in you.
On June 25 2013 01:38 datcirclejerk wrote: Moments like this make my name very fitting. Never really saw the point of threads that go 50 pages with 95% of posts saying the same thing. Guess it makes people feel good, fitting in, being compassionate and such.
That is my major problem with this thread. Instead of just banning the assholes or warning them for knocking the thread off topic, they keep them around and tout them as some example about how ignorant everyone who disagrees with them is.