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shawster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada2485 Posts
June 24 2013 16:30 GMT
#481
the fact that people are saying that equality is political shows how close minded certain individuals are

keep it up tl!
Puph
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
June 24 2013 16:31 GMT
#482
Remember when Papa Johns promised those things? I don't know if they happened yet but maybe they will soon. Some of then had to do with some Cross-Gaming stuff, don't remember what. Seems kind of fitting with that logo?
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Klondikebar
Profile Joined October 2011
United States2227 Posts
June 24 2013 16:31 GMT
#483
On June 25 2013 01:26 Qwyn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 01:22 Klondikebar wrote:
On June 25 2013 01:18 Qwyn wrote:
On June 25 2013 01:13 Shodaa wrote:
On June 25 2013 01:09 Qwyn wrote:
On June 25 2013 01:04 Eufouria wrote:
Oh dear, I made the mistake of reading more posts in this thread. Gay propaganda lolwut.

Damn those conniving gays, sneaking into positions of power to push their gay agenda and now they've got into Team Liquid! What about us straight people, its only a matter of time before society as we know it collapses.

Seriously though I would hope the majority of team liquid believes in racial equality, it blows my mind that so many people can't see that their homophobic views are no different to racist views. I hope that in 100 years people can look back at now and say "I can't believe our laws used to be so prejudaced towards gay people" in the same way we do now towards old racist and sexist laws.


Race and sexual preference are not the same. One is controllable. The other is not. I do not hate or vilify gays. I simply disagree with what they are doing. It goes against our biological design. It is a distortion.

But I do not hate a person if they choose to do that. Like many other opinions, I simply disagree with them. I try not to let that color my interactions with that person or group. Part of being rational is learning to carry your opinions rather than dropping them on people with a sledgehammer. Many of the people here choking out anti-gay sentiments should learn to do the same.


If you really think that sexual preference are controllable, then you might be bisexual or pansexual.


I am heterosexual. I think sexual preference is controllable. I am open to being proven wrong. If not, then there is still the grounds of an evolutionary anomaly.

I told you, I simply disagree with your viewpoint. I know that by expressing myself like this I am bound to come under fire.


Go have sex with a man and enjoy it. If preference is controllable, decide to be gay for a day. And evolution doesn't have "anomalies." You really don't understand evolution if you think it just makes stuff bad at survival and then lets it keep living.


I told you I was bound to come under fire.

What exactly are you getting at here? Are you telling me that I have no grounds to think what I think? "You really don't understand evolution if you think it makes stuff bad at survival..."

What?

It doesn't matter whether or not I enjoy having sex with a man, I would still be choosing to do it. Is that a harsh viewpoint? Abso-fucking-lutely. Is it still the one I ascribe to? Yes. Psychologically, most behaviors are learned. But there are grounds to think either way.


Your viewpoint isn't "harsh." It's just ignorant. You're clinging to something science has long debunked and you're oddly proud of it. Whatever, I don't have time for you anymore. I'm gonna go paint my asscheeks rainbow and moon a chik-fil-a.
#2throwed
A Wet Shamwow
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1590 Posts
June 24 2013 16:33 GMT
#484
On June 25 2013 01:31 Klondikebar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 01:26 Qwyn wrote:
On June 25 2013 01:22 Klondikebar wrote:
On June 25 2013 01:18 Qwyn wrote:
On June 25 2013 01:13 Shodaa wrote:
On June 25 2013 01:09 Qwyn wrote:
On June 25 2013 01:04 Eufouria wrote:
Oh dear, I made the mistake of reading more posts in this thread. Gay propaganda lolwut.

Damn those conniving gays, sneaking into positions of power to push their gay agenda and now they've got into Team Liquid! What about us straight people, its only a matter of time before society as we know it collapses.

Seriously though I would hope the majority of team liquid believes in racial equality, it blows my mind that so many people can't see that their homophobic views are no different to racist views. I hope that in 100 years people can look back at now and say "I can't believe our laws used to be so prejudaced towards gay people" in the same way we do now towards old racist and sexist laws.


Race and sexual preference are not the same. One is controllable. The other is not. I do not hate or vilify gays. I simply disagree with what they are doing. It goes against our biological design. It is a distortion.

But I do not hate a person if they choose to do that. Like many other opinions, I simply disagree with them. I try not to let that color my interactions with that person or group. Part of being rational is learning to carry your opinions rather than dropping them on people with a sledgehammer. Many of the people here choking out anti-gay sentiments should learn to do the same.


If you really think that sexual preference are controllable, then you might be bisexual or pansexual.


I am heterosexual. I think sexual preference is controllable. I am open to being proven wrong. If not, then there is still the grounds of an evolutionary anomaly.

I told you, I simply disagree with your viewpoint. I know that by expressing myself like this I am bound to come under fire.


Go have sex with a man and enjoy it. If preference is controllable, decide to be gay for a day. And evolution doesn't have "anomalies." You really don't understand evolution if you think it just makes stuff bad at survival and then lets it keep living.


I told you I was bound to come under fire.

What exactly are you getting at here? Are you telling me that I have no grounds to think what I think? "You really don't understand evolution if you think it makes stuff bad at survival..."

What?

It doesn't matter whether or not I enjoy having sex with a man, I would still be choosing to do it. Is that a harsh viewpoint? Abso-fucking-lutely. Is it still the one I ascribe to? Yes. Psychologically, most behaviors are learned. But there are grounds to think either way.


Your viewpoint isn't "harsh." It's just ignorant. You're clinging to something science has long debunked and you're oddly proud of it. Whatever, I don't have time for you anymore. I'm gonna go paint my asscheeks rainbow and moon a chik-fil-a.

Like "evolution" intended.
“Life is a gamble, at terrible odds. If it were a bet you wouldn’t take it.”
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14001 Posts
June 24 2013 16:33 GMT
#485
On June 24 2013 22:21 Sedzz wrote:
TLO and Snute got engaged.

Wait seriously?
I honestly dont kno if you trolling or being serious
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14001 Posts
June 24 2013 16:34 GMT
#486
On June 25 2013 01:23 SgtCoDFish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 01:22 Tosster wrote:
On June 24 2013 22:23 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
Please keep esports away from politics, religion, sexuality and other stuff.

OT: Best of Luck to TLO and Snute.

Exactly this. I wonder why they done that, someone is repressed on the forums? I don't feel like it is the case.


Go and find any thread that mentions Scarlett and the way she's treated by some people.

You have your answer.

This
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
Iyerbeth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
England2410 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 16:36:31
June 24 2013 16:35 GMT
#487
I find myself with a question for the people claiming that if sex isn't for reproduction then it is wrong because it is 'against the design of evolution' or whatever.

Do you apply the same rigorous standards of darwinian natural selection to all aspects of your life, or just when it suits you? Even Dawkins stated he wouldn't want to live in such a society and he's about the biggest proponent of evolution you'll find.
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Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2781 Posts
June 24 2013 16:35 GMT
#488
On June 25 2013 01:26 Julmust wrote:
QWYN

Hi. I posed a challenge in one of my previous posts that you chose to ignore (but you answerd my other post that was RIGHT beneath that one, guess you missed it)

Can you honestly say that you can "control" the kind of women (assuming youre male) youre attracted to? If so, prove it by writing down what you find LEAST attractive with a woman and then go date women like that. If attraction is a choice you should just be able to find the least attractive feat of these women the most attractive. Right?

(oh and addition; these are the only women you may date from now on)


Much of attraction is still a learned behavior. Assuming I am male, yes...And there are so many components to attraction that "writing down the kind of women" I am attracted to is of little use. I guarantee you that things like weight, mindset, intelligence, - play far more into what kind of woman I am attracted to than the color of her hair, skin, or eyes, or shape of her features.

"If attraction is a choice you should just be able to find the least attractive feat of these women the most attractive..."

If I thought about it enough, created a fetish, was exposed predominantly to something most would find unattractive from a young age, or had a particular predisposition yes...But a predisposition is not the same as being "genetically wired to hold a specific sexual preference."

Your last sentence is just an attack. If I choose to date someone, no matter who it is, I choose to date them. I could go out with the fattest, most overweight man or woman on earth and regardless of whether it is right or wrong, or whether I am programmed to do so or not, it is still my choice and I have the power to refuse to do so.

I just happened to think that many cases of homosexual behavior are learned behaviors clashing with biological drive. Is that necessarily the right opinion? No. But neither is the predominant viewpoint here.

"Think of the hysteria following the realization that they consciously consume babies and raise the dead people from their graves" - N0
Pholon
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Netherlands6142 Posts
June 24 2013 16:35 GMT
#489
On June 25 2013 01:18 Qwyn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 01:13 Shodaa wrote:
On June 25 2013 01:09 Qwyn wrote:
On June 25 2013 01:04 Eufouria wrote:
Oh dear, I made the mistake of reading more posts in this thread. Gay propaganda lolwut.

Damn those conniving gays, sneaking into positions of power to push their gay agenda and now they've got into Team Liquid! What about us straight people, its only a matter of time before society as we know it collapses.

Seriously though I would hope the majority of team liquid believes in racial equality, it blows my mind that so many people can't see that their homophobic views are no different to racist views. I hope that in 100 years people can look back at now and say "I can't believe our laws used to be so prejudaced towards gay people" in the same way we do now towards old racist and sexist laws.


Race and sexual preference are not the same. One is controllable. The other is not. I do not hate or vilify gays. I simply disagree with what they are doing. It goes against our biological design. It is a distortion.

But I do not hate a person if they choose to do that. Like many other opinions, I simply disagree with them. I try not to let that color my interactions with that person or group. Part of being rational is learning to carry your opinions rather than dropping them on people with a sledgehammer. Many of the people here choking out anti-gay sentiments should learn to do the same.


If you really think that sexual preference are controllable, then you might be bisexual or pansexual.


I am heterosexual. I think sexual preference is controllable. I am open to being proven wrong. If not, then there is still the grounds of an evolutionary anomaly.

I told you, I simply disagree with your viewpoint. I know that by expressing myself like this I am bound to come under fire.


How do you feel about left-handed people
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Hypemeup
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden2783 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 16:35:56
June 24 2013 16:35 GMT
#490
On June 25 2013 01:33 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 22:21 Sedzz wrote:
TLO and Snute got engaged.

Wait seriously?
I honestly dont kno if you trolling or being serious


Its true, MaddeLisk was just providing a smokescreen for Snute while he bonded with TLO, now they are the most adorable couple in esports.
Shodaa
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada404 Posts
June 24 2013 16:36 GMT
#491
On June 25 2013 01:21 Qwyn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 01:21 Shodaa wrote:
On June 25 2013 01:18 Qwyn wrote:
On June 25 2013 01:13 Shodaa wrote:
On June 25 2013 01:09 Qwyn wrote:
On June 25 2013 01:04 Eufouria wrote:
Oh dear, I made the mistake of reading more posts in this thread. Gay propaganda lolwut.

Damn those conniving gays, sneaking into positions of power to push their gay agenda and now they've got into Team Liquid! What about us straight people, its only a matter of time before society as we know it collapses.

Seriously though I would hope the majority of team liquid believes in racial equality, it blows my mind that so many people can't see that their homophobic views are no different to racist views. I hope that in 100 years people can look back at now and say "I can't believe our laws used to be so prejudaced towards gay people" in the same way we do now towards old racist and sexist laws.


Race and sexual preference are not the same. One is controllable. The other is not. I do not hate or vilify gays. I simply disagree with what they are doing. It goes against our biological design. It is a distortion.

But I do not hate a person if they choose to do that. Like many other opinions, I simply disagree with them. I try not to let that color my interactions with that person or group. Part of being rational is learning to carry your opinions rather than dropping them on people with a sledgehammer. Many of the people here choking out anti-gay sentiments should learn to do the same.


If you really think that sexual preference are controllable, then you might be bisexual or pansexual.


I am heterosexual. I think sexual preference is controllable. I am open to being proven wrong. If not, then there is still the grounds of an evolutionary anomaly.

I told you, I simply disagree with your viewpoint. I know that by expressing myself like this I am bound to come under fire.


So, realistically, you could chose to be gay for a day and enjoy it, because it is a choice ?


I could choose to be a gay for a day, yes. I'd prefer not to. So could you.


I could chose to have sex with a man, but that won't make me gay, because I have no attraction/feeling or sexual urge toward man.
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/401120/1/Shodaa/
Taosu
Profile Joined August 2010
Ukraine1074 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 16:38:50
June 24 2013 16:36 GMT
#492
On June 25 2013 01:29 salle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 01:09 Qwyn wrote:
Race and sexual preference are not the same. One is controllable. The other is not.

When did you chose not to be homosexual?

Maybe he has good parents. One can however choose to be homosexual. People (especially children with their fragile minds and lack of firm ideals) having their faces pressed against lots of rainbow stuff and creatures of arbitrary gender around may think "Oh, what if I am actually special? Oh, they say it's ok. Oh, they say I was born this way. I should give this a try."
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Headshot
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1656 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 16:38:13
June 24 2013 16:36 GMT
#493
Reading through this thread made me kinda sad. I didn't know that people still thought this way, especially on a website like TL. There are people out there that still believe that being gay is a choice? Yikes.

Anyways, here's for a TL LoL team!

On June 25 2013 01:36 Taosu wrote:One can however choose to be homosexual. People (especially children with their fragile minds and lack of firm ideals) having their faces pressed against lots of rainbow stuff and creatures of arbitrary gender around may think "Oh, what if I am actually special? Oh, they say it's ok. Oh, they say I was born this way. I should give this a try."

I.. I can't tell if this is supposed to be a joke, or not.
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Darkong
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom418 Posts
June 24 2013 16:36 GMT
#494
On June 25 2013 01:26 Qwyn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 01:22 Klondikebar wrote:
On June 25 2013 01:18 Qwyn wrote:
On June 25 2013 01:13 Shodaa wrote:
On June 25 2013 01:09 Qwyn wrote:
On June 25 2013 01:04 Eufouria wrote:
Oh dear, I made the mistake of reading more posts in this thread. Gay propaganda lolwut.

Damn those conniving gays, sneaking into positions of power to push their gay agenda and now they've got into Team Liquid! What about us straight people, its only a matter of time before society as we know it collapses.

Seriously though I would hope the majority of team liquid believes in racial equality, it blows my mind that so many people can't see that their homophobic views are no different to racist views. I hope that in 100 years people can look back at now and say "I can't believe our laws used to be so prejudaced towards gay people" in the same way we do now towards old racist and sexist laws.


Race and sexual preference are not the same. One is controllable. The other is not. I do not hate or vilify gays. I simply disagree with what they are doing. It goes against our biological design. It is a distortion.

But I do not hate a person if they choose to do that. Like many other opinions, I simply disagree with them. I try not to let that color my interactions with that person or group. Part of being rational is learning to carry your opinions rather than dropping them on people with a sledgehammer. Many of the people here choking out anti-gay sentiments should learn to do the same.


If you really think that sexual preference are controllable, then you might be bisexual or pansexual.


I am heterosexual. I think sexual preference is controllable. I am open to being proven wrong. If not, then there is still the grounds of an evolutionary anomaly.

I told you, I simply disagree with your viewpoint. I know that by expressing myself like this I am bound to come under fire.


Go have sex with a man and enjoy it. If preference is controllable, decide to be gay for a day. And evolution doesn't have "anomalies." You really don't understand evolution if you think it just makes stuff bad at survival and then lets it keep living.


I told you I was bound to come under fire.

What exactly are you getting at here? Are you telling me that I have no grounds to think what I think? "You really don't understand evolution if you think it makes stuff bad at survival..."

What?

It doesn't matter whether or not I enjoy having sex with a man, I would still be choosing to do it. Is that a harsh viewpoint? Abso-fucking-lutely. Is it still the one I ascribe to? Yes. Psychologically, most behaviors are learned. But there are grounds to think either way.

The idea that people have any concious control over their sexual orientation was debunked back in the 70s.

Please go educate yourself before you spout more offensive drivel:

http://www.apa.org/helpcenter/sexual-orientation.aspx
Trolling the Battle.Net forums, the most fun you can have with your pants on.
quirinus
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Croatia2489 Posts
June 24 2013 16:37 GMT
#495
Guys, some of you forgot the first TL Commandment:

1. THIS IS OUR HOUSE
    You are our guests. We will make all attempts to treat everyone with due respect and to accommodate everyone's wishes as far as reasonably possible. But, this is a private site. We are not funded by any governments. This means we run the site the way we see fit. We are not obligated to observe anyone's notions of "free speech" or even "fairness." We try of course, and that's why we're consistently considered one of the best gaming sites on the web, and you are always free to give us suggestions (Website Feedback Forum). But, we have our limits. If we don't like you, we simply ban you.
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Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
June 24 2013 16:37 GMT
#496
Some of the saddening replies here show how much this is needed. Good job TL.
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Twiggs
Profile Joined January 2011
United States600 Posts
June 24 2013 16:37 GMT
#497
Am I wrong or is the logo because their are two huge supreme court decisions today?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollingsworth_v._Perry

https://www.google.com/search?q=U.S. v Windsor - Defense of Marriage Act&oq=U.S. v Windsor - Defense of Marriage Act&aqs=chrome.0.57.342j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Anyways these are monumental decisions and I don't know which way I lean which I'm sure their are a lot of people out their like me.
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datcirclejerk
Profile Joined June 2013
89 Posts
June 24 2013 16:38 GMT
#498
Moments like this make my name very fitting. Never really saw the point of threads that go 50 pages with 95% of posts saying the same thing. Guess it makes people feel good, fitting in, being compassionate and such.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -Schopenhauer
Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2781 Posts
June 24 2013 16:38 GMT
#499
On June 25 2013 01:35 Iyerbeth wrote:
I find myself with a question about the people claiming that if sex isn't for reproduction then it is wrong because it is 'against the designof evolution' or whatever.

Do you apply the same rigorous standards of darwinian natural selection to all aspects of your life, or just when it suits you? Even Dawkins stated he wouldn't want to live in such a society and he's about the biggest proponent of evolution you'll find.


...

I said that the primary purpose of sex is reproduction. All mammals on earth use sex as a means of reproduction. Humans are unique on this earth, but why should that change the purpose of sex? That purpose dictates the vast majority of the world's sexual preference. It might be a harsh viewpoint, but it doesn't make it any less valid.

I have been saying over and over again that any biological programming or learned behavior is overshadowed by choice...
"Think of the hysteria following the realization that they consciously consume babies and raise the dead people from their graves" - N0
RockIronrod
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia1369 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 16:41:34
June 24 2013 16:39 GMT
#500
On June 25 2013 01:30 shawster wrote:
the fact that people are saying that equality is political shows how close minded certain individuals are

keep it up tl!

If it involves making a change, it is by definition political.
I mean, I agree with TL and support gay marriage, but you're inferring an objective right and wrong in a completely subjective forum, that being society. Society is what we make of it, and that includes "equality" and who deserves it. Thinking that you are definitively right is a trap both sides of the debate fall in to. Just remember that as sure as you are in your opinion, so is the other side, and as dumb and wrong as you picture them, they're seeing the exact same thing in you.
On June 25 2013 01:38 datcirclejerk wrote:
Moments like this make my name very fitting. Never really saw the point of threads that go 50 pages with 95% of posts saying the same thing. Guess it makes people feel good, fitting in, being compassionate and such.

That is my major problem with this thread. Instead of just banning the assholes or warning them for knocking the thread off topic, they keep them around and tout them as some example about how ignorant everyone who disagrees with them is.
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