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On June 24 2013 22:23 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
Please keep esports away from politics, religion, sexuality and other stuff.
OT: Best of Luck to TLO and Snute.
Exactly this. I wonder why they done that, someone is repressed on the forums? I don't feel like it is the case.
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The colors are fabulous! I love 'em.
And I'm glad TL is showing their support. The heat in this thread is not surprising; if anything it validates the necessity of showing our LGBT support.
I think Liquid'Drone's point about the influence of gaming culture on our youth is spot on.
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On June 25 2013 01:22 Tosster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 22:23 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
Please keep esports away from politics, religion, sexuality and other stuff.
OT: Best of Luck to TLO and Snute. Exactly this. I wonder why they done that, someone is repressed on the forums? I don't feel like it is the case.
Go and find any thread that mentions Scarlett and the way she's treated by some people.
You have your answer.
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Just stopped by to say I think TL did the right thing here. My parents are currently trying to get their congregational church to declare itself Open and Affirming (IE any gender identity/sexuality friendly), and their efforts seem to be paying off (a paper ballot vote will be taken one of these days, which in itself is great progress). In a religious setting I think declaring this message to be very important, as the literature which forms the core of each sermon/Sunday service has plenty of discriminatory notions and bigoted tenants which can make an entire section of your community shy away.
A gaming site might be just as important a place to declare a stance, since language like "that's so gay" and "u homo?" etc is used frequently without much thought given to it.
If you are put off by the current coloring of the logo, just consider what a minor inconvenience it is to you to have to look at it, compared to the message it sends to those who are still searching for true equality with their hetero countrymen.
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Nice to see the TL staff doing its part to advance the sinister homosexual agenda 
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On June 25 2013 01:21 Qwyn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 01:18 Julmust wrote:On June 25 2013 01:13 Qwyn wrote:On June 25 2013 01:07 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 01:05 Qwyn wrote:On June 25 2013 01:01 arkedos wrote:On June 25 2013 00:00 Big-t wrote:On June 24 2013 23:58 Pholon wrote:On June 24 2013 23:51 theodorus12 wrote:
I'm not talking about banning anything, but there are places where it's ok and such where it's not. This site has always been about esport, esport news etc. Having some admin abusing this site to shove his political views in other peoples faces is just wrong and an insult to anyone who has supported this site in the past.
Stop saying it's a political view when from our end it isn't. We're speaking out about basic human rights. What about my view? What about the principal falsity of gays? You are not supposed to put your P into a B. You sir, have revealed yourself as beeing totally dumb. You missed the point. There is no principal falsity of gays. It is quite natural. It goes against the biological design of human beings...The principal point of sex being reproduction, which cannot occur in a gay relationship - is what he is trying to say. Thanks for clearing that up, because we were not aware that was how it worked. However, if you go back some pages, you will find some terrifying information about dolphins that will prove that its really not that weird. Also, male mice and rats have sex with each other. Rabbits and cats can also mate. The world is weird. The world is also full of anomalies, even from an evolutionary standpoint. I'd prefer to pretend your sarcasm towards me didn't exist (I have also been reading the whole thread). Many people seem to forget the purpose of sex, opinionated as we are. It might be a harsh viewpoint, but it is one with valid grounds. Why is there only one purpouse to sex? Sex has plenty of purpouses. Enjoyment being the primary one in society. The prescribed evolutionary purpose of sex is to reproduce. Enjoyment serves as a means to an end. Humans being unlike other mammals, we have attributed other purposes to sex (going against the nature of the act). But that still does not change the fact that offspring are born only one way...
So what about in vitro fertilization? Should we ban or not support Vasectomies anymore either? Condoms? The pill? Should male female anal intercourse also be looked down upon?
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On June 25 2013 00:13 FliedLice wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 00:12 Big-t wrote:On June 25 2013 00:11 KwarK wrote:On June 25 2013 00:09 Big-t wrote:On June 25 2013 00:06 FliedLice wrote:On June 25 2013 00:00 Big-t wrote:On June 24 2013 23:58 Pholon wrote:On June 24 2013 23:51 theodorus12 wrote:
I'm not talking about banning anything, but there are places where it's ok and such where it's not. This site has always been about esport, esport news etc. Having some admin abusing this site to shove his political views in other peoples faces is just wrong and an insult to anyone who has supported this site in the past.
Stop saying it's a political view when from our end it isn't. We're speaking out about basic human rights. What about my view? What about the principal falsity of gays? You are not supposed to put your P into a B. You can't be fucking serious. You're also "not supposed to" use your H on your P, but I have a feeling you did that before. You are right sir and I would understand it, if you are discriminating me for this. Now I don´t understand why ever one goes like "Oh gays are most normal thing in the world". When I was born gay was an illness! And Pluto was a planet. When you were born people were wrong. Yeah only that never ever ever people will say: Oh look, we can reproduce by using buttsex. NEVER! So? Might be fun.
While a little painful it's so, so fun. :3
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On June 25 2013 01:21 Qwyn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 01:18 Julmust wrote:On June 25 2013 01:13 Qwyn wrote:On June 25 2013 01:07 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 01:05 Qwyn wrote:On June 25 2013 01:01 arkedos wrote:On June 25 2013 00:00 Big-t wrote:On June 24 2013 23:58 Pholon wrote:On June 24 2013 23:51 theodorus12 wrote:
I'm not talking about banning anything, but there are places where it's ok and such where it's not. This site has always been about esport, esport news etc. Having some admin abusing this site to shove his political views in other peoples faces is just wrong and an insult to anyone who has supported this site in the past.
Stop saying it's a political view when from our end it isn't. We're speaking out about basic human rights. What about my view? What about the principal falsity of gays? You are not supposed to put your P into a B. You sir, have revealed yourself as beeing totally dumb. You missed the point. There is no principal falsity of gays. It is quite natural. It goes against the biological design of human beings...The principal point of sex being reproduction, which cannot occur in a gay relationship - is what he is trying to say. Thanks for clearing that up, because we were not aware that was how it worked. However, if you go back some pages, you will find some terrifying information about dolphins that will prove that its really not that weird. Also, male mice and rats have sex with each other. Rabbits and cats can also mate. The world is weird. The world is also full of anomalies, even from an evolutionary standpoint. I'd prefer to pretend your sarcasm towards me didn't exist (I have also been reading the whole thread). Many people seem to forget the purpose of sex, opinionated as we are. It might be a harsh viewpoint, but it is one with valid grounds. Why is there only one purpouse to sex? Sex has plenty of purpouses. Enjoyment being the primary one in society. The prescribed evolutionary purpose of sex is to reproduce. Enjoyment serves as a means to an end. Humans being unlike other mammals, we have attributed other purposes to sex (going against the nature of the act). But that still does not change the fact that offspring are born only one way...
What I don't get is why does it matter if sex means one thing with respect to evolution? Are you literally only focusing your life on making sure that your genes are passed on to another generation? Is that your reason to be? If it is I feel bad for you.
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it saddens my heart a little bit what some people here think about that issue. i'm a much simpler man in this reggard, to me it's all the same love and who the hell am i to juged anyone: in macklemore's words: "It's human rights for everybody, there is no difference!´Live on and be yourself"
on a more possitiv note, i love the tl logo with the rainbow colors. is there a way to get it as a wallpaper?
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QWYN
Hi. I posed a challenge in one of my previous posts that you chose to ignore (but you answerd my other post that was RIGHT beneath that one, guess you missed it)
Can you honestly say that you can "control" the kind of women (assuming youre male) youre attracted to? If so, prove it by writing down what you find LEAST attractive with a woman and then go date women like that. If attraction is a choice you should just be able to find the least attractive feat of these women the most attractive. Right?
(oh and addition; these are the only women you may date from now on)
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On June 25 2013 01:22 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 01:18 Qwyn wrote:On June 25 2013 01:13 Shodaa wrote:On June 25 2013 01:09 Qwyn wrote:On June 25 2013 01:04 Eufouria wrote:
Oh dear, I made the mistake of reading more posts in this thread. Gay propaganda lolwut.
Damn those conniving gays, sneaking into positions of power to push their gay agenda and now they've got into Team Liquid! What about us straight people, its only a matter of time before society as we know it collapses.
Seriously though I would hope the majority of team liquid believes in racial equality, it blows my mind that so many people can't see that their homophobic views are no different to racist views. I hope that in 100 years people can look back at now and say "I can't believe our laws used to be so prejudaced towards gay people" in the same way we do now towards old racist and sexist laws. Race and sexual preference are not the same. One is controllable. The other is not. I do not hate or vilify gays. I simply disagree with what they are doing. It goes against our biological design. It is a distortion. But I do not hate a person if they choose to do that. Like many other opinions, I simply disagree with them. I try not to let that color my interactions with that person or group. Part of being rational is learning to carry your opinions rather than dropping them on people with a sledgehammer. Many of the people here choking out anti-gay sentiments should learn to do the same. If you really think that sexual preference are controllable, then you might be bisexual or pansexual. I am heterosexual. I think sexual preference is controllable. I am open to being proven wrong. If not, then there is still the grounds of an evolutionary anomaly. I told you, I simply disagree with your viewpoint. I know that by expressing myself like this I am bound to come under fire. Go have sex with a man and enjoy it. If preference is controllable, decide to be gay for a day. And evolution doesn't have "anomalies." You really don't understand evolution if you think it just makes stuff bad at survival and then lets it keep living.
I told you I was bound to come under fire.
What exactly are you getting at here? Are you telling me that I have no grounds to think what I think? "You really don't understand evolution if you think it makes stuff bad at survival..."
What?
It doesn't matter whether or not I enjoy having sex with a man, I would still be choosing to do it. Is that a harsh viewpoint? Abso-fucking-lutely. Is it still the one I ascribe to? Yes. Psychologically, most behaviors are learned. But there are grounds to think either way.
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On June 25 2013 01:04 fearus wrote:
People on the internet are quick to jump on bandwagons but I doubt many of you would be as supportive as you are, if these matters touched upon your own life.
How would you react if one day....your father revealed to you that he wants to undergone surgery to transform himself to a woman and share the same bed with another man?
Would you be happy? If a genie appeared and allowed you turn him 'straight' and wipe his memory.... would you do it?
I'd be okay with my father being gay. As long as he's happy.
No I would never use a genie to wipe someone's memory or to change who they are.
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On June 25 2013 01:21 Qwyn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 01:18 Julmust wrote:On June 25 2013 01:13 Qwyn wrote:On June 25 2013 01:07 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 01:05 Qwyn wrote:On June 25 2013 01:01 arkedos wrote:On June 25 2013 00:00 Big-t wrote:On June 24 2013 23:58 Pholon wrote:On June 24 2013 23:51 theodorus12 wrote:
I'm not talking about banning anything, but there are places where it's ok and such where it's not. This site has always been about esport, esport news etc. Having some admin abusing this site to shove his political views in other peoples faces is just wrong and an insult to anyone who has supported this site in the past.
Stop saying it's a political view when from our end it isn't. We're speaking out about basic human rights. What about my view? What about the principal falsity of gays? You are not supposed to put your P into a B. You sir, have revealed yourself as beeing totally dumb. You missed the point. There is no principal falsity of gays. It is quite natural. It goes against the biological design of human beings...The principal point of sex being reproduction, which cannot occur in a gay relationship - is what he is trying to say. Thanks for clearing that up, because we were not aware that was how it worked. However, if you go back some pages, you will find some terrifying information about dolphins that will prove that its really not that weird. Also, male mice and rats have sex with each other. Rabbits and cats can also mate. The world is weird. The world is also full of anomalies, even from an evolutionary standpoint. I'd prefer to pretend your sarcasm towards me didn't exist (I have also been reading the whole thread). Many people seem to forget the purpose of sex, opinionated as we are. It might be a harsh viewpoint, but it is one with valid grounds. Why is there only one purpouse to sex? Sex has plenty of purpouses. Enjoyment being the primary one in society. The prescribed evolutionary purpose of sex is to reproduce. Enjoyment serves as a means to an end. Humans being unlike other mammals, we have attributed other purposes to sex (going against the nature of the act). But that still does not change the fact that offspring are born only one way...
Yes, when other mammals have sex they are clearly doing so with the intent to reproduce.
lol
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On June 25 2013 01:25 wozzot wrote:Nice to see the TL staff doing its part to advance the sinister homosexual agenda
I guess they simply did not find any good design to help Obamacare get a push :-(
Just kidding! I know this is not a political agenda but a matter of supporting a group of people which is oppressed on a daily basis.
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On June 24 2013 22:32 sabas123 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 22:28 AlternativeEgo wrote:
All games or all people. Probably both. TL LoL team incoming? how about tl bw team^^
Yes plz
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On June 25 2013 01:21 Qwyn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 01:18 Julmust wrote:On June 25 2013 01:13 Qwyn wrote:On June 25 2013 01:07 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 01:05 Qwyn wrote:On June 25 2013 01:01 arkedos wrote:On June 25 2013 00:00 Big-t wrote:On June 24 2013 23:58 Pholon wrote:On June 24 2013 23:51 theodorus12 wrote:
I'm not talking about banning anything, but there are places where it's ok and such where it's not. This site has always been about esport, esport news etc. Having some admin abusing this site to shove his political views in other peoples faces is just wrong and an insult to anyone who has supported this site in the past.
Stop saying it's a political view when from our end it isn't. We're speaking out about basic human rights. What about my view? What about the principal falsity of gays? You are not supposed to put your P into a B. You sir, have revealed yourself as beeing totally dumb. You missed the point. There is no principal falsity of gays. It is quite natural. It goes against the biological design of human beings...The principal point of sex being reproduction, which cannot occur in a gay relationship - is what he is trying to say. Thanks for clearing that up, because we were not aware that was how it worked. However, if you go back some pages, you will find some terrifying information about dolphins that will prove that its really not that weird. Also, male mice and rats have sex with each other. Rabbits and cats can also mate. The world is weird. The world is also full of anomalies, even from an evolutionary standpoint. I'd prefer to pretend your sarcasm towards me didn't exist (I have also been reading the whole thread). Many people seem to forget the purpose of sex, opinionated as we are. It might be a harsh viewpoint, but it is one with valid grounds. Why is there only one purpouse to sex? Sex has plenty of purpouses. Enjoyment being the primary one in society. The prescribed evolutionary purpose of sex is to reproduce. Enjoyment serves as a means to an end. Humans being unlike other mammals, we have attributed other purposes to sex (going against the nature of the act). But that still does not change the fact that offspring are born only one way...
Human aren't the only animal who have sex for pleasure. Chimpanzee, bonobos and dolphin also do.
Evolution is not just about individual survival and reproduction. Homosexuality is actually useful in an evolutionary context. For a simple example, in a tribes setting, an homosexual won't have kid so he is more likely to care and protect other children and thus increase the chance of survival.
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On June 25 2013 01:26 Julmust wrote:
QWYN
Hi. I posed a challenge in one of my previous posts that you chose to ignore (but you answerd my other post that was RIGHT beneath that one, guess you missed it)
Can you honestly say that you can "control" the kind of women (assuming youre male) youre attracted to? If so, prove it by writing down what you find LEAST attractive with a woman and then go date women like that. If attraction is a choice you should just be able to find the least attractive feat of these women the most attractive. Right?
(oh and addition; these are the only women you may date from now on)
Qwyn's point is dumb. This is also dumb.
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On June 25 2013 01:26 Qwyn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 01:22 Klondikebar wrote:On June 25 2013 01:18 Qwyn wrote:On June 25 2013 01:13 Shodaa wrote:On June 25 2013 01:09 Qwyn wrote:On June 25 2013 01:04 Eufouria wrote:
Oh dear, I made the mistake of reading more posts in this thread. Gay propaganda lolwut.
Damn those conniving gays, sneaking into positions of power to push their gay agenda and now they've got into Team Liquid! What about us straight people, its only a matter of time before society as we know it collapses.
Seriously though I would hope the majority of team liquid believes in racial equality, it blows my mind that so many people can't see that their homophobic views are no different to racist views. I hope that in 100 years people can look back at now and say "I can't believe our laws used to be so prejudaced towards gay people" in the same way we do now towards old racist and sexist laws. Race and sexual preference are not the same. One is controllable. The other is not. I do not hate or vilify gays. I simply disagree with what they are doing. It goes against our biological design. It is a distortion. But I do not hate a person if they choose to do that. Like many other opinions, I simply disagree with them. I try not to let that color my interactions with that person or group. Part of being rational is learning to carry your opinions rather than dropping them on people with a sledgehammer. Many of the people here choking out anti-gay sentiments should learn to do the same. If you really think that sexual preference are controllable, then you might be bisexual or pansexual. I am heterosexual. I think sexual preference is controllable. I am open to being proven wrong. If not, then there is still the grounds of an evolutionary anomaly. I told you, I simply disagree with your viewpoint. I know that by expressing myself like this I am bound to come under fire. Go have sex with a man and enjoy it. If preference is controllable, decide to be gay for a day. And evolution doesn't have "anomalies." You really don't understand evolution if you think it just makes stuff bad at survival and then lets it keep living. I told you I was bound to come under fire. What exactly are you getting at here? Are you telling me that I have no grounds to think what I think? "You really don't understand evolution if you think it makes stuff bad at survival..." What? It doesn't matter whether or not I enjoy having sex with a man, I would still be choosing to do it. Is that a harsh viewpoint? Abso-fucking-lutely. Is it still the one I ascribe to? Yes. Psychologically, most behaviors are learned. But there are grounds to think either way.
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Sweden5554 Posts
On June 25 2013 01:09 Qwyn wrote:
Race and sexual preference are not the same. One is controllable. The other is not.
When did you chose not to be homosexual?
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