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On March 01 2013 19:37 Stol wrote:
Oh thats another thing actually, perhaps someone could explain to me why history and the constitution are seemingly so sacred to americans? While history defines all of us, letting it shape who we are today is a grave mistake.
I wont be the first to say that you are supposed to learn from the mistakes of the past, not repeat them.
Even more baffling considering the country was founded on the lessons that been learned from the mistakes made in europe. The separation of church and state, the republic, the constitution, the bill of rights, all this is based on learning from history and a determination not to repeat the mistakes of the past.
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On March 01 2013 19:40 pbjsandwich wrote:
Because it's completely unreasonable to believe that gay marriage is immoral
There really is no reasoning behind it at all
Not even gay marriage but gay relationships.
EDIT: get out of my head oneofthem
If you think about it, hating murder really is unreasonable (in the sense I take you to mean). we base it on "fairness" and "rights," both of which are entirely unnatural. like i said, pm if you wish. gn. again.
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On March 01 2013 19:39 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 19:35 pbjsandwich wrote:
On the note of a very weak argument
Like what are you even trying to say? You'll fight for the doctrine that says that marriage is between a man and a women but suddenly when this doesn't go your way you'll argue against it?
You're killing me here. Maybe you should rethink your stance
EDIT: I really have to say it's quite amazing how strongly someone can feel about something with such flimsy reasoning
Hey if you're a homophobe just admit it rather than dancing around trying to hide behind politics. Most of the republicans have basically come out as such. I will always argue that marriage is only one thing. I would say that it should be viewed as objectively immoral, and thus laws based on it are ok. However, it is a societal decision. I will always fight, but I have no choice but to acknowledge the opposition as reasonable. something the far left won't do nowadays, unfortunately. once and for all, gn. Pm if you really want to know more.
Would you like to tell why it's objectively immoral? To me morality has to do with the well-being of fellow conscious creatures - I don't see how gay marriage would harm anyone in any way.
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On March 01 2013 19:42 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 19:40 pbjsandwich wrote:
Because it's completely unreasonable to believe that gay marriage is immoral
There really is no reasoning behind it at all
Not even gay marriage but gay relationships.
EDIT: get out of my head oneofthem If you think about it, hating murder really is unreasonable (in the sense I take you to mean). we base it on "fairness" and "rights," both of which are entirely unnatural. like i said, pm if you wish. gn. again.
Stop with that argument, it just makes you look really stupid mate. Comparing "killing someone" with "two dudes married" even in the slightest, does not help your case at all, not even the slightest. It just makes you look like a fanatic religious idiot.
No offense, but that's how it is.
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The constitution is truly amazing
Of course it has it's flaws but the political "game" has devolved into wanking matches over the interpretation of them
We, the people (haha), have no choice but to let our "leaders" do what they see fit with the constitution and a lot of it is a shouting match between 2 sides
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On March 01 2013 19:42 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 19:40 pbjsandwich wrote:
Because it's completely unreasonable to believe that gay marriage is immoral
There really is no reasoning behind it at all
Not even gay marriage but gay relationships.
EDIT: get out of my head oneofthem If you think about it, hating murder really is unreasonable (in the sense I take you to mean). we base it on "fairness" and "rights," both of which are entirely unnatural. like i said, pm if you wish. gn. again.
When I think about it I hate murder because it's a really dick thing to do - this comes very natural to me. I don't understand you at all 
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On March 01 2013 19:42 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 19:40 pbjsandwich wrote:
Because it's completely unreasonable to believe that gay marriage is immoral
There really is no reasoning behind it at all
Not even gay marriage but gay relationships.
EDIT: get out of my head oneofthem If you think about it, hating murder really is unreasonable (in the sense I take you to mean). we base it on "fairness" and "rights," both of which are entirely unnatural. like i said, pm if you wish. gn. again.
lol, hating a murderer has to do with empathy and the ability to understand the suffering of others. You would be more successful in arguing that approving of gay marriage comes from the same understanding that other people feel left out of society due to their inherent sexual preference. Meaning that disapproving of murders and approving of gay marriage both comes from empathy.
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On March 01 2013 19:42 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 19:40 pbjsandwich wrote:
Because it's completely unreasonable to believe that gay marriage is immoral
There really is no reasoning behind it at all
Not even gay marriage but gay relationships.
EDIT: get out of my head oneofthem If you think about it, hating murder really is unreasonable (in the sense I take you to mean). we base it on "fairness" and "rights," both of which are entirely unnatural. like i said, pm if you wish. gn. again.
Why would I PM you?
This argument is ridiculous
there is nothing unnatural about trying to control or eliminate parts of community that are detrimental to it.
That;s completely "natural" right there if you really want to go into that type of argument
EDIT: I know this post was kind of ridiculous too
but I didn't know how else to word it
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Well thats understandable, we're already comparing gay marriage with murder, I'm just waiting for the hitler reference.
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On March 01 2013 19:54 Stol wrote:
Well thats understandable, we're already comparing gay marriage with murder, I'm just waiting for the hitler reference.
Those are typically reserved for Obama. Clearly, they have a lot in common.
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On March 01 2013 19:46 Pholon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 19:42 Introvert wrote:On March 01 2013 19:40 pbjsandwich wrote:
Because it's completely unreasonable to believe that gay marriage is immoral
There really is no reasoning behind it at all
Not even gay marriage but gay relationships.
EDIT: get out of my head oneofthem If you think about it, hating murder really is unreasonable (in the sense I take you to mean). we base it on "fairness" and "rights," both of which are entirely unnatural. like i said, pm if you wish. gn. again. When I think about it I hate murder because it's a really dick thing to do - this comes very natural to me. I don't understand you at all
Why am i still here.
I mean, you would consider hurting you as "bad." But someone else? Bad? Why? it's just the way it "feels." I obviously have REASONS for opposing Gay marriage (some that could be made in syllogistic form, some not), but I wasn't talking about that, I was originally talking about the Constitutional side. I (and many others) find it to be wrong. That's all I'm going to say.
I love all the people "the Constitution was nice then but now blah blah blah..." Everyone here has already demonstrated amazing ignorance of it, why do you continue to try and evaluate it?
Everyone saying that being opposed to gay marriage is "irrational," why would I listen to you when you have proven that you talk about and criticize things you are ignorant of? Don't know jack about the Constitution, talk about it anyway. Criticize opponents of gay marriage, claim it is completely stupid. I am sorry, but I do not have time to lay out my entire philosophy of life, Pholon 
I must say, the one "advantage" I have is that we are so surrounded by left and progressive thinking that I have had no choice but to know about it and the reasons for it/behind it.
Really, gn. Really.
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On March 01 2013 19:56 McBengt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 19:54 Stol wrote:
Well thats understandable, we're already comparing gay marriage with murder, I'm just waiting for the hitler reference. Those are typically reserved for Obama. Clearly, they have a lot in common.
Party politics make people say stupid, stupid things
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On March 01 2013 19:57 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 19:46 Pholon wrote:On March 01 2013 19:42 Introvert wrote:On March 01 2013 19:40 pbjsandwich wrote:
Because it's completely unreasonable to believe that gay marriage is immoral
There really is no reasoning behind it at all
Not even gay marriage but gay relationships.
EDIT: get out of my head oneofthem If you think about it, hating murder really is unreasonable (in the sense I take you to mean). we base it on "fairness" and "rights," both of which are entirely unnatural. like i said, pm if you wish. gn. again. When I think about it I hate murder because it's a really dick thing to do - this comes very natural to me. I don't understand you at all Why am i still here. I mean, you would consider hurting you as "bad." But someone else? Bad? Why? it's just the way it "feels." I obviously have REASONS for opposing Gay marriage (some that could be made in syllogistic form, some not), but I wasn't talking about that, I was originally talking about the Constitutional side. I (and many others) find it to be wrong. That's all I'm going to say. I love all the people "the Constitution was nice then but now blah blah blah..." Everyone here has already demonstrated amazing ignorance of it, why do you continue to try and evaluate it? Everyone saying that being opposed to gay marriage is "irrational," why would I listen to you when you have proven that you talk about and criticize things you are ignorant of? Don't know jack about the Constitution, talk about it anyway. Criticize opponents of gay marriage, claim it is completely stupid. I am sorry, but I do not have time to lay out my entire philosophy of life, Pholon I must say, the one "advantage" I have is that we are so surrounded by left and progressive thinking that I have had no choice but to know about it and the reasons for it/behind it. Really, gn. Really.
Where have I shown a lack of knowledge of the constitution?
It's obvious youre the one basing your knowledge of some other scripture that's not named the constitution
It seems like all you know is where it says God in the document rather than truly understanding the spirit of it (which is more John Locke than you'd like to believe)
EDIT: And it would be nice if you could actually say why you believe Gay Marrriage or gay relationships are bad instead of being an ass towards everyone.
and to all the Europeans ITT I don't blame you for not understanding our constitution lol
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clarence thomas knows the constitution, all you jokers are just disobedient to the Original Vision.
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I'll admit I dont know much about the american constitution, I dont really care about it either. Also havent really been discussing it other than asking a question surrounding it.
Then again you've effectively avoided making a single comment in reply to anything I've said, so maybe I wasnt included .
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On March 01 2013 19:37 Stol wrote:
Oh thats another thing actually, perhaps someone could explain to me why history and the constitution are seemingly so sacred to americans? While history defines all of us, letting it shape who we are today is a grave mistake.
I wont be the first to say that you are supposed to learn from the mistakes of the past, not repeat them.
with such enlightened views, you must be a noble european
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Guess i was meant with not understanding the constitution, and yeah, alot of it seems weird to me. Or better, "old fashioned". Maybe not even the constitution itself, but the arguments constructed upon it.
with such enlightened views, you must be a noble european
Being cynical does not change the fact that he's quite right. Although that does not only go for the US, but other countries as well (including my own).
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it's ok guys
he's just lashing out because he really doesn't have any good arguments.
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On March 01 2013 20:05 m4inbrain wrote:Guess i was meant with not understanding the constitution, and yeah, alot of it seems weird to me. Or better, "old fashioned". Maybe not even the constitution itself, but the arguments constructed upon it. Being cynical does not change the fact that he's quite right. Although that does not only go for the US, but other countries as well (including my own).
oh you misunderstand me, i am just expressing admiration for a superior culture.
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On March 01 2013 19:57 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 19:46 Pholon wrote:On March 01 2013 19:42 Introvert wrote:On March 01 2013 19:40 pbjsandwich wrote:
Because it's completely unreasonable to believe that gay marriage is immoral
There really is no reasoning behind it at all
Not even gay marriage but gay relationships.
EDIT: get out of my head oneofthem If you think about it, hating murder really is unreasonable (in the sense I take you to mean). we base it on "fairness" and "rights," both of which are entirely unnatural. like i said, pm if you wish. gn. again. When I think about it I hate murder because it's a really dick thing to do - this comes very natural to me. I don't understand you at all Why am i still here. I mean, you would consider hurting you as "bad." But someone else? Bad? Why? it's just the way it "feels." I obviously have REASONS for opposing Gay marriage (some that could be made in syllogistic form, some not), but I wasn't talking about that, I was originally talking about the Constitutional side. I (and many others) find it to be wrong. That's all I'm going to say.
Yes it "feels" wrong to discriminate against gay people, and though you say you have REASONS (in all caps nonetheless) but seem to not be willing to share them I will continue to feel that way while joining you in wondering why you're still here.
Also, I don't care about your constitution - I don't even live in your country. I care about people, no matter where they're from, being treated fairly and if your constitution doesn't contribute to that then I'll argue it's wrong and should be changed.
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