EPTMy train of thoughts is that the basic american doesn't really care about who govern and what they do with it
Is the USA heading towards "Big Brother" Govt? - Page 2
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
My train of thoughts is that the basic american doesn't really care about who govern and what they do with it | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
Tho the results show that the people answering the poll don't know a lot either ^^ | ||
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rabidch
United States20288 Posts
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TotalNightmare
Germany139 Posts
While I deem it possible I could not say under any circumstances how high/low the chances of that actually ever happening are, never having been to the states. PS: I would find it hilarious if the US became a dictatorship though, simply due to the fact that some people are so sure that the second amendment will protect them from just that... | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
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catabowl
United States815 Posts
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Deleted User 45971
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
The majority didn't believe the evidence of their own eyes, on the 9/11 incident and you quote it as a reference... Dude, you should never post on politics or any other complicated topic you don't know shit about. I'm actually living in the totalitarian state in the making right now and your blubbering about how bad US is at that offends me. | ||
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Kreb
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freewareplayer
Germany403 Posts
Scary stuff, and im not even usually bothered by any similar stuff | ||
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jakethesnake
Canada4948 Posts
Of course the US government is nowhere near a 'totalitarian state.' It's just a culture of fear. | ||
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
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IceCube
Croatia1403 Posts
On February 05 2013 23:18 PassiveAce wrote: People who make threads like these have never lived in countries that can actually be described as totalitarian, and if they had, they wouldnt be making threads like this. Difference in living in rich totalitarian country and a poor one is what you spoke off, and is obvious to naked eye, but the regime and the rules that apply are the same. | ||
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ThomasjServo
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HeatEXTEND
Netherlands836 Posts
On February 05 2013 21:32 sAsImre wrote: wut, some people should read a bit about what totalitarism really was and how it was set up before putting stupid polls online. Tho the results show that the people answering the poll don't know a lot either ^^ Totalitarianism can actually be very quiet and peaceful. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.phawker.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/orwell_vs_huxley.png) | ||
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SpeaKEaSY
United States1070 Posts
On February 05 2013 22:58 Potatisodlaren wrote: I dunno about any of this except the Department of Homeland Security gets 60 billion dollars in annual funding and 240,000 employees, contrast this to the FBI which "only" gets 8.1 billion dollars and 36,000 employees. Where the hell is all that money going? In the media I see the FBI all over the place but the DHS? http://www.businessinsider.com/dhs-fletc-ammunition-purchases-750-million-200-million-40-caliber-rounds-2013-1 It's going towards billions of bullets. And yet, the government asks why the average American needs to be armed... To answer the OP, yes, I do believe we are headed towards tyranny, because our financial situation is terrible and is not getting better any time soon. During the Great Depression, government expanded immensely, so I expect the same to happen when we go into our full blown depression. | ||
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vividred
88 Posts
On February 05 2013 21:32 sAsImre wrote: wut, some people should read a bit about what totalitarism really was and how it was set up before putting stupid polls online. Tho the results show that the people answering the poll don't know a lot either ^^ What is this "totalitarism" you speak of, statist? | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On February 06 2013 00:20 vividred wrote: What is this "totalitarism" you speak of, statist? something that has been defined but the likes of Arendt/Neumann/Lefort/etc... (those are the one I know a bit about, but it was a heated debate back then and you can have multiple authors) which include the fact that the state lose almost all its power in favor of another entity which isn't bind by law like the party or a movement depending on which author you like the most. All the transparency business going on (and state issues are waaaaaay less opaque than they used to be) is just the contrary of a totalitarian policy which apply transparency to everything in everyone life (big brother) but not to the state (or whatever you want to call it since it's just the same type of power applied by a similar institution) . However we can argue about the degree of authoritarianism and the impact of common interest on the US (or any other western countries) policy and it becomes interesting because things are going in both directions and you can plead for one way or the other. | ||
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radiatoren
Denmark1907 Posts
On February 05 2013 21:42 TotalNightmare wrote: Well at the moment the USA seem like the only country where 1984 may actually ever happen, possibly even be on the way. While I deem it possible I could not say under any circumstances how high/low the chances of that actually ever happening are, never having been to the states. PS: I would find it hilarious if the US became a dictatorship though, simply due to the fact that some people are so sure that the second amendment will protect them from just that... France is extremely protectionistic, the economy is shaky, far right wing is almost presidential strong, political discourse is particularly nasty and turnout is plummeting very fast! None of those factors are encouraging for stability of democracy and it certainly is pointing towards increased surveillance! USA has a choice between a right wing president and a conservative/extreme right president, making the votes unimportant to a certain degree. electronic voting is pretty common (that is a negative for trust in democracy, mind you), strong biased economic interests have almost deciding power, there is a structurally shaky economy and a general dissatisfaction with all politicians. USA is looking more like a government run by conglamorations of interest, which ironically is close to the 1984 idea of communism (Orwells vision, not even close to what Marx envisioned)... However surveillance in USA is always gonna be tricky to some extend because of political paranoia about several of the direct methods. To compensate there is an even bigger increase in indirect surveillance and therefore indirect right erosion. That people are becoming more aware because of the overreach to stop holes for terrorists is a reason for why USA is not gonna turn into a 1984! Edit: As for canabis being illegal for some random reason. You are paranoid! Canabis is illegal in most of the rest of the world too and especially in Europe... | ||
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