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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
March 11 2013 09:19 GMT
#701
As long as they don't nuke the GOM studio...

Not really sure what they're on about anyway. Even NK can't be so dumb as to think they can start a nuclear war with the US. Unless of course Putin is pulling the strings. Would I be surprised? No. Not really.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Shelke14
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada6655 Posts
March 11 2013 09:37 GMT
#702
On March 11 2013 18:19 DarkLordOlli wrote:
As long as they don't nuke the GOM studio...

Not really sure what they're on about anyway. Even NK can't be so dumb as to think they can start a nuclear war with the US. Unless of course Putin is pulling the strings. Would I be surprised? No. Not really.


Huh? Do you really think Putin is the one pulling NK's strings this time around.....
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
March 11 2013 09:41 GMT
#703
On March 11 2013 18:37 Shelke14 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2013 18:19 DarkLordOlli wrote:
As long as they don't nuke the GOM studio...

Not really sure what they're on about anyway. Even NK can't be so dumb as to think they can start a nuclear war with the US. Unless of course Putin is pulling the strings. Would I be surprised? No. Not really.


Huh? Do you really think Putin is the one pulling NK's strings this time around.....


Don't really think so, was being more sarcastic. But I wouldn't put it past him.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Shelke14
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada6655 Posts
March 11 2013 10:00 GMT
#704
On March 11 2013 18:41 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2013 18:37 Shelke14 wrote:
On March 11 2013 18:19 DarkLordOlli wrote:
As long as they don't nuke the GOM studio...

Not really sure what they're on about anyway. Even NK can't be so dumb as to think they can start a nuclear war with the US. Unless of course Putin is pulling the strings. Would I be surprised? No. Not really.


Huh? Do you really think Putin is the one pulling NK's strings this time around.....


Don't really think so, was being more sarcastic. But I wouldn't put it past him.


Lol ok, my history could be a bit off but I think Russia helped push the North last time into war by selling them arms right? So of course it wouldn't be to bar-fetch to think the same thing this time around. I just don't think they have the same standing as 60(ish) years ago.
Orek
Profile Joined February 2012
1665 Posts
March 11 2013 10:18 GMT
#705
Come to think of it, having hostile North Korea in the region might actually benefit U.S. in a funny way. Thanks to potential threat from N.K., U.S. can hold a joint military drill with S.K. and Japan near China's front yard without China getting too mad about it. China obviously doesn't appreciate these drills and military pressure from the U.S., but they can't complain that much when N.K. is used an an excuse. It's like non-U.S. allied countries having a joint millitary drill right in front of, say, Florida, which U.S. would never approve of. Nuclear armed N.K. is not acceptable, but as long as U.S. maintains the massive military advantage, I wonder how serious U.S. is in getting rid of N.K. and Kim Dynasty. It's not like U.S. would never compromise with dictators when they become somewhat "decent" enough in future. There is no official statement obviously, but U.S. might want N.K. to be there instead of unification with the South. Or, I'm thinking too much of it.
Mafe
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany5966 Posts
March 11 2013 10:31 GMT
#706
On March 11 2013 19:00 Shelke14 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2013 18:41 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 11 2013 18:37 Shelke14 wrote:
On March 11 2013 18:19 DarkLordOlli wrote:
As long as they don't nuke the GOM studio...

Not really sure what they're on about anyway. Even NK can't be so dumb as to think they can start a nuclear war with the US. Unless of course Putin is pulling the strings. Would I be surprised? No. Not really.


Huh? Do you really think Putin is the one pulling NK's strings this time around.....


Don't really think so, was being more sarcastic. But I wouldn't put it past him.


Lol ok, my history could be a bit off but I think Russia helped push the North last time into war by selling them arms right? So of course it wouldn't be to bar-fetch to think the same thing this time around. I just don't think they have the same standing as 60(ish) years ago.

Sowjet Union =/= Russia. Really, in the last 60 years so much has changed, luckily for us almost everything for the better.

I think the most important question is this: Which country (except china, see below) can expect to gain anything by supporting north korea that would be worth the consequences? Only countries I can think have to be isolated already, i.e. mainly Iran.

Also, why would North Korea want to buy weapons from russia if it surely could them from china?

China is a separate issue, as they are both communist in name. But some of the support surely comes the reason that giving up North Korea would mean a potential reunified capitalist Korea could become China's new neighbor.

Generally I think the fight for power in the world between superpowers (excluding the western world vs muslimic world conflict) has changed and is still changing from direct ideological confrontation and proxy wars towards an economical competition. For now at least, as far as I'm concerned, I'm happy about that. China in particular seems to follow this strategy with (a few exceptions), so would they really keep supporting North Korea to the limit if this would damage their policy about the rest of the world, as they do so much not to be seen as the "bad guy" anymore?

But of course I'm no expert on international policy.
MoltkeWarding
Profile Joined November 2003
5195 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-11 11:30:04
March 11 2013 11:22 GMT
#707
On March 11 2013 19:00 Shelke14 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2013 18:41 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 11 2013 18:37 Shelke14 wrote:
On March 11 2013 18:19 DarkLordOlli wrote:
As long as they don't nuke the GOM studio...

Not really sure what they're on about anyway. Even NK can't be so dumb as to think they can start a nuclear war with the US. Unless of course Putin is pulling the strings. Would I be surprised? No. Not really.


Huh? Do you really think Putin is the one pulling NK's strings this time around.....


Don't really think so, was being more sarcastic. But I wouldn't put it past him.


Lol ok, my history could be a bit off but I think Russia helped push the North last time into war by selling them arms right? So of course it wouldn't be to bar-fetch to think the same thing this time around. I just don't think they have the same standing as 60(ish) years ago.


The Soviets did not "push" North Korea into war in 1950. If anything, something like the opposite happened. The origin of the Korean war was a case of the tail wagging the dog.

A historical misconception mirrored, incidentally, by those modern Korea-watchers who think that Chinese pressure is the solution to all their problems.
Martijn
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands1219 Posts
March 11 2013 13:01 GMT
#708
On March 11 2013 12:19 gabsonuro wrote:
TBH the us should blast the shit out of these fuckers, ive had just about enough of n korea


I'm glad "just about having enough of" something isn't a reason to bomb people. I'd personally be responsible for the deaths of all telemarketers, people that make advertisement for charities or otherwise and a small segment of this forums userdatabase..
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Thorakh
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands1788 Posts
March 11 2013 13:16 GMT
#709
On March 11 2013 12:19 gabsonuro wrote:
TBH the us should blast the shit out of these fuckers, ive had just about enough of n korea
You heard it here first folks! gabsunoro has "had just about enough of n korea" so that obviously justifies the murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent people.
Shelke14
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada6655 Posts
March 11 2013 13:22 GMT
#710
On March 11 2013 22:16 Thorakh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2013 12:19 gabsonuro wrote:
TBH the us should blast the shit out of these fuckers, ive had just about enough of n korea
You heard it here first folks! gabsunoro has "had just about enough of n korea" so that obviously justifies the murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent people.


He has 20 posts in over a year so he probably won't respond but I wish he had his country of origin tagged on his account. Gabsonuro, that comment is not necessary at all. There are so many innocent civilians in that country and in SKorea that the effects of war would be devastating beyond belief. There is a reason that countries like USA, China, and Russia don't just go around nuking all the governments they disagree with.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-11 14:15:17
March 11 2013 14:12 GMT
#711
More news to tense the situation a bit!

North Korea Forces Await 'Final Strike Order' from Kim Jong-un

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North Korea's armed forces are reported to be awaiting a "final order" from the country's supreme leader Kim Jong-un before launching a campaign against South Korea.

Ahead of a ten-day joint computer-simulated drill to be conducted by the US and South Korea on 11 March, the North's most widely circulated mouthpiece Rodong Sinmun said: "Our front-line military groups, the army, the navy and the air force, the anti-aircraft units and the strategic rocket units, who have entered the final all-out war stage, are awaiting the final order to strike."

The mouthpiece said the North's nuclear weapons are also in full readiness.

"Puppet regimes in the US and South Korea will be turned into a sea of fire in the blink of an eye," said the daily, raising tensions further in the Korean peninsula.

South Korea and the US have been conducting a joint field training exercise codenamed Foal Eagle since 1 March, and this is likely to go on until the end of April.

Nearly 10,000 South Korean troops and 3,500 American forces along with fighter planes are involved in the manoeuvres.

South Korea says the exercises are intended to secure its territories, but Pyongyang charges that they are aimed at the North.

The North has also announced that it will conduct a two-day nationwide military exercise in response to the US-South Korea drill.

Local reports suggest that Kim has also been visiting strategically important military installations in the country in the wake of the volatile situation.

A military source in Seoul has told the Yonhap news agency that Pyongyang is likely to fire short-range missiles or resort to other forms of attack during the drill. The source vowed to retaliate with greater force if South Korean sovereignty is violated.


Source

S. Korea braces for North's unexpected provocations

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SEOUL, March 10 (Yonhap) -- South Korea's military is preparing against unexpected military provocations by North Korea, a Seoul official said, as the communist country ratcheted up threats of a nuclear war ahead of a joint South Korea-U.S military drill.

"North Korea may possibly provoke at a time in a place we can never expect," like guerrilla attacks in cyberspace, at the sea border or even at the military demarcation line, the military official said.


Source


North Korea Cuts Off Hotline With South Korea

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South Korea’s Defense Ministry Spokesman, Kim Min-seok confirmed on Monday that North Korea has cut off a Red Cross hotline with South Korea, as it escalates its war of words against Seoul and Washington in response to a military drill in the South and U.N. sanctions imposed for its recent nuclear test.

The North had threatened to cut off the hotline on March 11th if the United States and South Koreadid not abandon their joint military exercise.

The Red Cross hotline is used to communicate between Seoul and Pyongyang which do not have diplomatic relations.
Pyongyang has also threatened to cut off a hotline with U.N. forces in South Korea, at the border "truce village" of Pammunjom.

Tensions on the Korean peninsula have risen since the North conducted a third nuclear test on February 12, prompting new U.N. sanctions.

Kim added that South Korea's military was prepared and “ready to immediately strike back if the North provokes.”
South Korea and U.S. forces are conducting large-scale military drills until the end of April, while the North is also gearing up for a massive state-wide military exercise.

North Korea has accused the United States of using the military drills in South Korea as a launch pad for a nuclear war and has threatened to scrap the armistice with Washington that ended hostilities in the 1950-53 Korean War.

The North has threatened a nuclear strike on the United States, but such a threat has been dismissed as rhetoric by analysts, as the North does not have the military capacity to reach the United States.
The North is viewed as more likely to stage some kind of attack along a disputed sea border, if it does anything at all, rather than risk a war with South Korea and the United States, which it would lose, according to most military assessments.


Source
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AUFKLARUNG
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany245 Posts
March 11 2013 14:33 GMT
#712
The real thing to watch out for is China. There is so much deception happening that NK could really be a black swan in history, triggering what no one expects.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42536 Posts
March 11 2013 14:35 GMT
#713
Question is what'll happen if they repeat the artillery at civilian islands stunt from a few years ago. That shit is very escalatable.
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sCCrooked
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1306 Posts
March 11 2013 14:39 GMT
#714
On March 11 2013 23:35 KwarK wrote:
Question is what'll happen if they repeat the artillery at civilian islands stunt from a few years ago. That shit is very escalatable.


This is what a lot of Korean officials are saying is possible. In the 2010 incident, a lot of people thought war was indeed imminent. It was far different from the other times Pyongyang had made threats. That time, people died. It doesn't matter that it wasn't very many. 1 life can be "The Shot Heard 'Round the World".

With them completely cutting off all communication and mobilizing forces for "the final order", people are on high tension mode again. NK might make threats often, but 2010 and the situation now are far more escalated than the years in between. This warrants increased caution.
Enlightened in an age of anti-intellectualism and quotidian repetitiveness of asinine assumptive thinking. Best lycan guide evar --> "Fixing solo queue all pick one game at a time." ~KwarK-
D10
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Brazil3409 Posts
March 11 2013 15:59 GMT
#715
Its not that hard to stop the situation from escalating, just stop the sanctions, they serve no purpose other than bolstering the hatred that different countries feel towards the US
" We are not humans having spiritual experiences. - We are spirits having human experiences." - Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
sc2superfan101
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
3583 Posts
March 11 2013 16:03 GMT
#716
On March 12 2013 00:59 D10 wrote:
Its not that hard to stop the situation from escalating, just stop the sanctions, they serve no purpose other than bolstering the hatred that different countries feel towards the US

Peace in our day!

hey it worked last time, right?
My fake plants died because I did not pretend to water them.
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
March 11 2013 16:16 GMT
#717
I had never liked the idea of sanctions. NK is threatening peace in the region and the sanction won't do nothing except maybe push them further in that direction.

I don't think NK will actually start a war since they know they will be wiped out and they most likely will bring SK down with them and as much as conflicts as they have SK and NK are the same people. I don't think anyone wants to wipe their own specie out of the face of Earth.

SK/US won't attack NK if NK doesn't attack first. So a war is very very unlikely.

If somehow, war broke out, well GG people. It will be a nuclear war, maybe not wide spread but at least the NK and SK will be seriously damaged or ever wiped out.


Terran
sCCrooked
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1306 Posts
March 11 2013 17:33 GMT
#718
source

There's now growing support in SK for something that hasn't been proposed or pursued since the early 70s, its own nuclear weapons development program.

Many SK feel that the successful tests recently are very similar to what the US faced with the Cuban Missile Crisis. The threat is literally visible from your house and thus makes it very real. The reason for this new-found support is because the NK nuclear program is far more advanced than "just a few kilos of supplies without warheads".

In recent weeks, the North has approached a crucial threshold with its weapons programs, with the successful launching of a long-range rocket, followed by the test detonation of a nuclear device that could be small enough to fit on top of a rocket. Those advances were followed by a barrage of apocalyptic threats to rain “pre-emptive nuclear strikes” and “final destruction” on Seoul, the South’s neon-drenched capital. The intensification of North Korea’s typically bellicose language shocked many South Koreans, who had thought the main target of the North’s nuclear program was the United States.


This is the point at which you can't just ignore them because they're very capable of dealing heavy damage to an allied nation. Not to sound callous, but I have next to no interest in anything US people have been saying because its very unlikely the actual US landmass will be a battleground. SK will be where blood is spilled and that's where we should be focusing our hypothetical situations. The well-being of the US isn't really in question in the way SK's is right now.
Enlightened in an age of anti-intellectualism and quotidian repetitiveness of asinine assumptive thinking. Best lycan guide evar --> "Fixing solo queue all pick one game at a time." ~KwarK-
herMan
Profile Joined November 2010
Japan2053 Posts
March 11 2013 18:47 GMT
#719
On March 11 2013 19:18 Orek wrote:
Come to think of it, having hostile North Korea in the region might actually benefit U.S. in a funny way. Thanks to potential threat from N.K., U.S. can hold a joint military drill with S.K. and Japan near China's front yard without China getting too mad about it. China obviously doesn't appreciate these drills and military pressure from the U.S., but they can't complain that much when N.K. is used an an excuse. It's like non-U.S. allied countries having a joint millitary drill right in front of, say, Florida, which U.S. would never approve of. Nuclear armed N.K. is not acceptable, but as long as U.S. maintains the massive military advantage, I wonder how serious U.S. is in getting rid of N.K. and Kim Dynasty. It's not like U.S. would never compromise with dictators when they become somewhat "decent" enough in future. There is no official statement obviously, but U.S. might want N.K. to be there instead of unification with the South. Or, I'm thinking too much of it.


South Korea and the US host joint military drills annually.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17243 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-11 19:04:45
March 11 2013 19:04 GMT
#720
On March 11 2013 23:35 KwarK wrote:
Question is what'll happen if they repeat the artillery at civilian islands stunt from a few years ago. That shit is very escalatable.


What this is all about is internal showing off. The new young leader has yet to establish his position in the completely military-driven and controlled country. He needs to build up his image, boost some charisma among the military personnel etc.

And all this bullshit about SK+US joint maneuvers being preparation for invasion is ridiculous. NK sports ~1.2 million soldiers and ~5 million people in various militaristic/paramilitary organizations. SK sports ~700 thousand soldiers and a couple million in paramilitary organizations. There are ~1200 soldiers taking part in the maneuvers, which is like a drop in the ocean considering all the factors.
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