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The gun control argument stops now. I know it's fun to argue about it in the heat of the tragedy when you can get all worked up about it but it's pretty disrespectful and if you don't care enough about the issue to make a separate topic for gun control then you don't care enough to shit on the tragedy by exploiting it. A gun control topic can be found here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=313472 Also stop posting links to his facebook. TL will be no part of an unconfirmed witch hunt. | ||
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Thorakh
Netherlands1788 Posts
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Bolty
Sweden33 Posts
There is no evil, there are only people deprived of their basic human needs. Given enough time, they will lose all sense of empathy and commit horrible deeds like this. You can go on being all sad every time this happens and feel like you are part of humanity because you show sadness, or you can get angry at the people ultimately responsible and try to do something about it. | ||
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zbedlam
Australia549 Posts
On December 24 2012 22:00 Tachion wrote: Not quite as played down as you might think. http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/12/19/senator-calls-for-a-study-of-video-game-violence/ I used to listen to CNN on the radio while driving, but fuck em. I'm not supporting them for bullshit coverage like this. They are so disconnected from something that is incredibly common these days, and it just destroys their credibility. It's like I'm hearing about the internet being a series of tubes all over again. To be fair the internet is like a series of tubes, he conveyed it in such a way that it was obvious he had no idea what he was talking about though. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On December 24 2012 22:00 Tachion wrote: Not quite as played down as you might think. http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/12/19/senator-calls-for-a-study-of-video-game-violence/ I used to listen to CNN on the radio while driving, but fuck em. I'm not supporting them for bullshit coverage like this. They are so disconnected from something that is incredibly common these days, and it just destroys their credibility. It's like I'm hearing about the internet being a series of tubes all over again. It is as played down as I think it is, the guy behind the bill is the infamous Jay Rockefeller he even wants to remove the entire Internet and he is one of the most insane people you will find in the senate, no one takes this guy serious. Just because something is brought to the senate doesn't mean it actually will happen. There is some other nut who wants to deport a English journalist from CNN named Piers Morgan because he had said something negative about the Head of the Gun owners of America organization, Larry Pratt. Piers Morgans chances of actually being deported are just as high as this bill will go through. In contrast the actual losers in this seems to be guns, just check this pictures that was taken of the NewYork post and the Daily News front pages: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/z1nZW.jpg) | ||
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decado90
United States480 Posts
But what delusions does the nihilist have? Combine the notion that everything in the universe is equally and utterly worthless, with a mental disorder like depression or bipolarity, and you get a tumultuous mind. Like someone said recently, I forgot to whom the quote is attributed, people that would otherwise quietly just off themselves in their basement see how glorified they will be from the media and internet and choose to go out with a blaze of glory. There are still memes of James Holmes on reddit everyday. Hell, I'll admit that I recently read Seung-Hui Cho's wikipedia profile. I think there are multiple angles into reducing the number of mass shootings, and going at just one won't be very effective. Depression is a very serious problem in today's alienating society. Free mental health care seems essential to me. Media coverage is also an issue. How many less mass shootings would there be if the killer's name was never even mentioned? And lastly, while I obviously won't get into it as the mod note forbids it, guns are a contributing factor as well. Mass shootings are a very real problem and will not be going away anytime soon unless major changes happen. | ||
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haffy
United Kingdom430 Posts
On December 25 2012 01:25 decado90 wrote: I always wonder about the religious affiliation of the people that commit these acts. It does seem like life is growing harder and harder for the intelligent youth. Most people embrace a delusion to give their life meaning, be it the "immortality" of religion or the general idea that the upholding of values and morals that you and society deem right makes your life more meaningful. But what delusions does the nihilist have? Combine the notion that everything in the universe is equally and utterly worthless, with a mental disorder like depression or bipolarity, and you get a tumultuous mind. Like someone said recently, I forgot to whom the quote is attributed, people that would otherwise quietly just off themselves in their basement see how glorified they will be from the media and internet and choose to go out with a blaze of glory. There are still memes of James Holmes on reddit everyday. Hell, I'll admit that I recently read Seung-Hui Cho's wikipedia profile. I think there are multiple angles into reducing the number of mass shootings, and going at just one won't be very effective. Depression is a very serious problem in today's alienating society. Free mental health care seems essential to me. Media coverage is also an issue. How many less mass shootings would there be if the killer's name was never even mentioned? And lastly, while I obviously won't get into it as the mod note forbids it, guns are a contributing factor as well. Mass shootings are a very real problem and will not be going away anytime soon unless major changes happen. You're just as bad as the people who blame video games for these kind of shootings. User was warned for this post | ||
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ElvisWayCool
United States437 Posts
Just gives people more of a reason to do it. Even if they're dead, they'll be famous. Like decado90 said above me, mass murderers are famous. I mean, even bad press is good press if all you're trying to do is get someone to remember you. It's just my opinion, but I think there would be less shootings if the shooter's name was never released; even if it was 1 less shooting, I think it'd be worth it. | ||
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decado90
United States480 Posts
On December 25 2012 01:57 haffy wrote: You're just as bad as the people who blame video games for these kind of shootings. how so? | ||
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sekritzzz
1515 Posts
On December 25 2012 00:42 Integra wrote: It is as played down as I think it is, the guy behind the bill is the infamous Jay Rockefeller he even wants to remove the entire Internet and he is one of the most insane people you will find in the senate, no one takes this guy serious. Just because something is brought to the senate doesn't mean it actually will happen. There is some other nut who wants to deport a American journalist from CNN named Piers Morgan because he had said something negative about the Head of the Gun owners of America organization, Larry Pratt. Piers Morgans chances of actually being deported are just as high as this bill will go through. In contrast the actual losers in this seems to be guns, just check this pictures that was taken of the NewYork post and the Daily News front pages: -img- Uhm, just to correct a few things. Piers Morgan is British. Americans want him deported because he is attacking the 2nd amendment, not because he insulted Larry Pratt. Thirdly, its a petition not a nut, granted it probably won't happen though. https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/deport-british-citizen-piers-morgan-attacking-2nd-amendment/prfh5zHD Anyways my opinion on Piers Morgan is that he is rather irrelevant in this debate, he is basically trying to milk this issue for his viewership. I watched a 5 or so minute clip with him debating the issue and its hilariously bad. He really should stay out of serious american politics and stick to interviewing pop stars or celebrities. | ||
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MoonfireSpam
United Kingdom1153 Posts
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
The more he visualized it, the more attached to that delusion he became, and detached from reality, with each passing day, the continued bullying just reinforced it into his thoughts, since he took comfort from thinking of doing the massacre, the more he suffered bullying, the more detached and depressed he became, and more and more the delusion gained weight and reality. What can be acomplished by this individual by doing rush tragic action against his peers ? In this specific case im mentioning, the individual had low self esteem, and a very low tolerance for frustration (at least compared to healthy people), and his desire was something on the lines of "making them all suffer what I suffer" When further inquired about it, the elaboration was sort of "In my mind the horrible suffering I was being put thro was everyone elses fault, and by inflicting horrible suffering on them I would be sort of evening things up on every kind of scale, im past the point where I think retribution can be achieved by conversation and apology, I just want these motherfuckers to suffer and in suffering maybe they will question themselves how it has come to this, and how much I suffered to get to this point, and then maybe, they can understand" This is when I realized that these actions and individuals are motivated mainly by some sort of internal suffering that is very hard to tap into and understand, but seems to be intrinsically connected with a feeling of making a point to society about themselves, no one does something like that without having some sort of desire to be aknowledged in someway by someone Swim claims that hes glad theres no guns in Brazil, or he might have done something stupid in his depressed youth years | ||
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HollowLord
United States3862 Posts
On December 25 2012 04:01 MoonfireSpam wrote: We don't want Piers Morgan back, you can keep him. Can't you just put him in Ireland or something? | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On December 25 2012 03:57 sekritzzz wrote: Uhm, just to correct a few things. Piers Morgan is British. Americans want him deported because he is attacking the 2nd amendment, not because he insulted Larry Pratt. Thirdly, its a petition not a nut, granted it probably won't happen though. https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/deport-british-citizen-piers-morgan-attacking-2nd-amendment/prfh5zHD This is not what I was referring to but the people who started the petition are from the same organization that Piers Morgans criticized. | ||
unit
United States2621 Posts
On December 25 2012 01:57 haffy wrote: You're just as bad as the people who blame video games for these kind of shootings. what do you mean? i thought his argument was quite reasonable and that it made sense. and video games like cod can be used to vent off stress and teaches people to vent by shooting people (some games can instill the notion of violence in some people, it is not something that every game can do nor is it something that every person can be affected by but that doesn't mean that the possibility fails to exist) | ||
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WoodLeagueAllStar
United States806 Posts
And like any meme, I just want it to end. Now we are down to luring Firefighters to a blaze then shooting them down, 3 dead 2 critically injured. And then these things will be standard, so to keep the fame up we'll need to shoot more high profile things, or be more craven and cunning to grab that sweet media attention. If I can use a meme to express my sadness against a meme itd be #don'twanttoliveonthisplanetanymore | ||
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PanN
United States2828 Posts
On December 25 2012 05:15 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote: You know what is scary? Killing is a meme now. Started with one guy who thought it was cool, everyone passed it around, then another guy decided to make one about kids, now everyone's doing it. At the risk of sounding too facetious, my point is that talking about it all the time in the media, has begun more talking about it, which makes more people want to join in, kind of like a meme. And like any meme, I just want it to end. Now we are down to luring Firefighters to a blaze then shooting them down, 3 dead 2 critically injured. And then these things will be standard, so to keep the fame up we'll need to shoot more high profile things, or be more craven and cunning to grab that sweet media attention. If I can use a meme to express my sadness against a meme itd be #don'twanttoliveonthisplanetanymore I read what you wrote about 5 times over, and I still have no clue as to why you're talking about memes. I get what you're trying to talk about, but why the hell .. memes what.... | ||
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
On December 25 2012 05:40 PanN wrote: I read what you wrote about 5 times over, and I still have no clue as to why you're talking about memes. I get what you're trying to talk about, but why the hell .. memes what.... Really ? I understood perfectly You should study some memetics | ||
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decado90
United States480 Posts
On December 25 2012 06:18 D10 wrote: Really ? I understood perfectly You should study some memetics I didn't really understand either, but I got the tone of it. | ||
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kingcoyote
United States546 Posts
On December 25 2012 05:40 PanN wrote: I read what you wrote about 5 times over, and I still have no clue as to why you're talking about memes. I get what you're trying to talk about, but why the hell .. memes what.... Memes is a lot more than just funny pictures passed around online. Memes are ideas or concepts that spread from person to person. He's trying to say that there are people who see mass shootings as a cool thing to do, because other people do it and get attention. It's like karma whoring on reddit, but instead of posting cat pictures, you go and kill a dozen people in the hopes that your name is remembered. | ||
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fight_or_flight
United States3988 Posts
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