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Shady Sands
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United States4021 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-22 06:55:25
November 22 2012 06:52 GMT
#1
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1291260--congo-conflict-rebels-set-sights-on-capital-kinshasa

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Turning a new and bloody page in Congo’s tragic history, the increasingly muscular M23 rebel group said Wednesday that after taking the main eastern city of Goma, it was prepared to capture the capital of Kinshasa and overthrow the government in a military coup.

“We will go to Kinshasa, we will unite the country,” the group’s military spokesman Col. Vianney Kazarama told a cheering crowd of civilians, police and government soldiers in Goma just one day after UN peacekeepers held their fire and watched the city fall, and Congolese troops fled for their lives.

Kazarama later softened his stand, according to the Guardian, saying that the rebels would take the capital “if people invite us. We obey the people.”

But the rebels’ recruitment efforts were in overdrive, and by the end of the day, starving, scantily paid Congolese government troops had swelled M23 ranks by nearly 3,000 defecting soldiers.

Rwanda is a mainstay of the rebels’ success, said a damning UN report tabled Wednesday. Written by a group of experts, it exhaustively documents how the thousands-strong M23 militia morphed from a small band of Congolese army defectors just eight months ago, to a sophisticated, well-armed and virtually unstoppable force that dominates Africa’s Great Lakes region.

The report said Rwanda had violated an arms embargo “by providing direct military support to the M23 rebels, facilitating recruitment, encouraging and facilitating desertions from the armed forces of (Congo) and providing arms, ammunition, intelligence and political advice.”

And in the most serious allegations of Rwandan involvement yet, it said that the “de facto chain of command” for the rebels “culminates with the Minister of Defence of Rwanda, Gen. James Kabarebe.”

Rwandan recruits were escorted to the Congolese border by government troops, which “confiscated their telephones, burned their identity cards and instructed them to claim to be Congolese in the event of capture,” the report said. Documented with copious evidence — including eyewitness reports and images implicating Rwandan officials in the M23 militia operations — it said the rebels had received regular deliveries of weapons to their headquarters from Rwanda every two weeks, building an arsenal that outstrips that of Congo’s government.

The Rwandan government strongly denies the report’s allegations, claiming the experts were biased and information inaccurate.

A UN official told the Associated Press that Rwanda had effectively “annexed” eastern Congo by sponsoring rebel incursions.

M23’s growing ambitions heap new threats on a country that has lost some 5 million people in persistent civil wars. Armed groups from neighbouring countries have rampaged over Congo’s borders, settling old scores and fighting to capture new mineral wealth that potentially awards the victors billions of dollars. Savage attacks on women earned it the title of “rape capital of the world.”

Conflict ignited after the 1994 Rwandan genocide led by the ethnic Hutu regime, when more than two million Hutus fled over its border, including those responsible for the genocide. With the complicity of the Congolese government they attacked its ethnic Tutsis. Rwanda sent its own militias, aided by Uganda, to overthrow the Congolese government.

But the Hutu militias remained, and Rwanda backed another coup against then-president Laurent Kabila, who called on five neighbouring countries for help, sparking a massive war in Congo. Trouble flared again in 2008, but a peace deal was eventually forged between Rwanda and Congo and a UN peacekeeping force installed. The current rebellion was launched eight months ago by mutinous troops accusing the government of failing to stick to the deal.

As well as Rwanda, the report also pointed a finger at neighbouring Uganda, which it said was working against the Congolese government, with senior Ugandan officials providing “direct troop reinforcements in Congolese territory, weapons deliveries, technical assistance, joint planning, political advice.”

There has been little respite for Congo’s traumatized civilians. Since the rebellion began, brutal attacks have increased, as M23 tried to form coalitions with local groups in the Kivu region. Hundreds of Congolese Hutus have been killed, and more than 800 homes burned. About 60,000 civilians have been displaced.

Recruitment of child soldiers has also escalated under M23 commanders notorious for forcing children to fight, and numerous women have been raped.

The report said that some commanders “ordered the extrajudicial executions of dozens of recruits and prisoners of war.”

The struggle for territory in mineral-rich Congo is a prime motive of the wars and rebellions that have plagued the country. “Smuggling into both Burundi and Rwanda is on the rise,” the report said, adding that the mineral-tagging system meant to stop the practice is jeopardized by “laundering of Congolese minerals” by mining co-operatives.

“Several traders have contributed to financing M23 rebels using profits resulting from the smuggling of Congolese minerals into Rwanda,” the report said. Gold, which fetches huge prices on the world market, is also smuggled out of the country, sold for millions of U.S. dollars.

With files from Star wire services

A United Nations report released Wednesday says the Rwandan military is commanding and supporting the rebel force that overtook a major city in eastern Congo this week.

UN troops prove useless

The highly anticipated report says, “The government of Rwanda continues to violate the arms embargo by providing direct military support to the M23 rebels, facilitating recruitment, encouraging and facilitating desertions from the armed forces of the Democratic Republic of the Congo, and providing arms, ammunition, intelligence and political advice.”

The report also says, “The de facto chain of command of M23 includes Gen. Bosco Ntaganda and culminates with the Minister of Defence of Rwanda, Gen. James Kabarebe.”

The report also accuses Uganda of involvement. Uganda has said it would pull its troops out of UN peacekeeping operations if it was named in the report.

Both Rwanda and Uganda have denied supporting the M23 rebel movement, which took the city of Goma, which has a population of more than 1 million, on Tuesday.

Thousands of Congolese soldiers and policemen defected to the M23 rebels Wednesday as rebel leaders vowed to take control of all Congo, including the capital, Kinshasa.

The UN accuses the M23 of grave crimes including recruiting child soldiers, summary executions and rape.

The UN report says, “Senior officials of the Government of Uganda have also provided support to M23 in the form of direct troop reinforcements in Congolese territory, weapons deliveries, technical assistance, joint planning, political advice and facilitation of external relations.”

The report adds, “Both Governments have also co-operated to support the creation and expansion of the political branch of M23 and have consistently advocated on behalf of the rebels. M23 and its allies include six sanctioned individuals, some of whom reside in or regularly travel to Rwanda and Uganda.”

Earlier Wednesday, the UN’s special representative for Congo said the 19,000-strong UN peacekeeping force there is being stretched thin by multiple rebel militias in the eastern part of the country, including Goma.

Roger Meece made the assessment in a live videoconference linkup to the Security Council from Kinshasa.

The council is assessing the performance of the MONUSCO peacekeeping force after 1,500 of its troops stood by Tuesday and let M23 rebels take Goma without resistance.

UN helicopters over the weekend fired hundreds of rockets at the rebels in a bid to slow their advance on the city of 1 million.

But U.N. officials say the UN force commander in Goma ordered the peacekeepers not to shoot Tuesday in order to avoid provoking a major firefight in the city after Congolese troops retreated.

Meece said the M23 rebels were “well provisioned,” uniformed and supplied with weapons, including night-vision goggles, that clearly came from some outside party.

He did not name Rwanda or Uganda.


TLDR: M23, a Congolese rebel group, just captured the two largest cities in the eastern Democratic Republic of Congo, and is now prepped to move on the DRC capital, Kinshasa. Massive amounts of DRC troops are defecting to M23. The UN is going into full obs mode, and analysts speculate that M23 is likely supplied by Rwanda, Uganda, or another 3rd party, since the rebel group has equipment like night vision goggles and 120mm Israeli-made mortars, and better small arms than the Congolese army.

The DRC is looking at getting outside countries to help supply it with weapons as well.

For reference, the last Congolese Civil War, lasted five years, involved eight African nations, and killed over five million people.
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Forgottenfrog
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States1268 Posts
November 22 2012 06:58 GMT
#2
This is depressing yet I feel that much more thankful that I don't live in a war torn country.
iSometric
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
2221 Posts
November 22 2012 07:21 GMT
#3
Horrible for all involved... Damn history repeating itself.
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Yuljan
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
2196 Posts
November 22 2012 07:35 GMT
#4
Sub-Sahara Africa is beyond help.
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
November 22 2012 08:02 GMT
#5
On November 22 2012 16:35 Yuljan wrote:
Sub-Sahara Africa is beyond help.


looks like it
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43960 Posts
November 22 2012 08:03 GMT
#6
Things were better when we owned the damn place. If it weren't for all the anti-imperialist protests we could invade, steal 90% of the natural wealth of the country and still be doing everyone a favour. These countries ought to be among the richest in the world, even in the grips of civil war and anarchy there is still enough wealth to fund constant warfare.
Unfortunately nobody wants the bad PR involved with imperialism these days, far better to indirectly sponsor it with demand for the riches of the country while ensuring that a black guy pulls the trigger.
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Flyingdutchman
Profile Joined March 2009
Netherlands858 Posts
November 22 2012 08:05 GMT
#7
That is called progress Kwark...
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
November 22 2012 08:05 GMT
#8
On November 22 2012 17:03 KwarK wrote:
Things were better when we owned the damn place. If it weren't for all the anti-imperialist protests we could invade, steal 90% of the natural wealth of the country and still be doing everyone a favour. These countries ought to be among the richest in the world, even in the grips of civil war and anarchy there is still enough wealth to fund constant warfare.
Unfortunately nobody wants the bad PR involved with imperialism these days, far better to indirectly sponsor it with demand for the riches of the country while ensuring that a black guy pulls the trigger.

As non PC as that is, it's probably true given how African politicians tend to bleed their own country. Granted when Western nations bleed countries they aren't much better, but eh, the fact that one can actually contemplate the latter as possibly being better says a whole lot about the native politicians.
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
November 22 2012 08:10 GMT
#9
Should be noted that if it weren't for the imperialism of the past, Africa would probably not be in the.... questionable shape it is right now. Would it be a better place if the imperialism hadn't ended? Maybe. But that doesn't make imperialism a good idea, it probably got us where we are today, in terms of the instability.
RenSC2
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1087 Posts
November 22 2012 08:10 GMT
#10
Dear America (my country),

We already have Afghanistan and Iraq. We have a potential major threat in Iran which can't be ignored completely. We have conflict in Israel/Palestine. We have some involvement in Libya. We're waiting on Syria, but will likely be involved in some way soon. There's always a threat from N. Korea looming and even China seems to be pushing it's borders.

We are stretched thin. We don't need the Congo. We'd spend more money stabilizing that region than we could ever hope to gain from it in mineral wealth. They aren't attacking us. They aren't threatening us. They have nothing to do with us. Let's keep it that way.

Let the world see what happens when the United States doesn't get involved (5 million deaths and counting!). Maybe then the world will see that we aren't the big baddies that go around sowing conflict like they blame us for in the middle east. Maybe then the world will see that our military activities actually prevent more deaths than they cause. Maybe then the world will get back to wanting us involved.

Not now.
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Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
November 22 2012 08:13 GMT
#11
what can one say..

its pretty standart in some african countries..

I dont want to sound mean or anything.. its just a sad truth
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18857 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-22 08:22:21
November 22 2012 08:14 GMT
#12
On November 22 2012 17:03 KwarK wrote:
Things were better when we owned the damn place. If it weren't for all the anti-imperialist protests we could invade, steal 90% of the natural wealth of the country and still be doing everyone a favour. These countries ought to be among the richest in the world, even in the grips of civil war and anarchy there is still enough wealth to fund constant warfare.
Unfortunately nobody wants the bad PR involved with imperialism these days, far better to indirectly sponsor it with demand for the riches of the country while ensuring that a black guy pulls the trigger.

Multinational corporate interests, which are in many cases effectively stronger than many of the sub-Saharan regional governments, are playing a role in the continued stranglehold of violence in the region, though to what degree it is hard to say. One can look at the relative success of countries like Ghana and Zambia and it becomes to hard ignore the coincidence of dramatic cutbacks in foreign corporate influence and the sudden surges in economic growth. In the case of the Congo, I'm afraid, its hard to see anything more than belligerent violence.
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Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-22 08:15:28
November 22 2012 08:14 GMT
#13
On November 22 2012 17:03 KwarK wrote:
Things were better when we owned the damn place. If it weren't for all the anti-imperialist protests we could invade, steal 90% of the natural wealth of the country and still be doing everyone a favour. These countries ought to be among the richest in the world, even in the grips of civil war and anarchy there is still enough wealth to fund constant warfare.
Unfortunately nobody wants the bad PR involved with imperialism these days, far better to indirectly sponsor it with demand for the riches of the country while ensuring that a black guy pulls the trigger.

Gotta disagree here. Claiming that, since outright colonialism wins over colonialism by proxy, we should invade, ignores the infinitely better option of respecting local sovereignty and simply leaving them alone.
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Shai
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada806 Posts
November 22 2012 08:17 GMT
#14
On November 22 2012 17:10 RenSC2 wrote:
Dear America (my country),

We already have Afghanistan and Iraq. We have a potential major threat in Iran which can't be ignored completely. We have conflict in Israel/Palestine. We have some involvement in Libya. We're waiting on Syria, but will likely be involved in some way soon. There's always a threat from N. Korea looming and even China seems to be pushing it's borders.

We are stretched thin. We don't need the Congo. We'd spend more money stabilizing that region than we could ever hope to gain from it in mineral wealth. They aren't attacking us. They aren't threatening us. They have nothing to do with us. Let's keep it that way.

Let the world see what happens when the United States doesn't get involved (5 million deaths and counting!). Maybe then the world will see that we aren't the big baddies that go around sowing conflict like they blame us for in the middle east. Maybe then the world will see that our military activities actually prevent more deaths than they cause. Maybe then the world will get back to wanting us involved.

Not now.


Don't worry, you can get involved in your own civil war some time this century; the world is fine with Americans fighting Americans.
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Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
November 22 2012 08:21 GMT
#15
On November 22 2012 17:03 KwarK wrote:
Things were better when we owned the damn place. If it weren't for all the anti-imperialist protests we could invade, steal 90% of the natural wealth of the country and still be doing everyone a favour. These countries ought to be among the richest in the world, even in the grips of civil war and anarchy there is still enough wealth to fund constant warfare.
Unfortunately nobody wants the bad PR involved with imperialism these days, far better to indirectly sponsor it with demand for the riches of the country while ensuring that a black guy pulls the trigger.

Also, Britain never owned Congo. The DRC had the misfortune to be colonized by the Belgians, who left behind only 20 college-educated people in the entire country and tore up thousands of km of railroads, bridges, ports, and roadways when they left the country.

One more point: I will agree that by and large, the British were a better colonial agent than the Dutch or (heaven forbid) the French; however, the same institutional and economic gains made by a colonial legacy also occurred in many states untouched by colonialism, such as Siam/Thailand and Nationalist China. The gains of colonialism could easily be replicated by non-colonial processes without a similar abrogation of sovereignty.
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hns
Profile Joined January 2010
Germany609 Posts
November 22 2012 08:23 GMT
#16
On November 22 2012 17:02 KimJongChill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 16:35 Yuljan wrote:
Sub-Sahara Africa is beyond help.


looks like it


The Congo region is probably (maybe tied with Somalia) the worst. However, it is also the prime example how european colonialism fucked things up, being the one country that arguably suffered the most (Leopold II..).
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
November 22 2012 08:26 GMT
#17
On November 22 2012 17:14 Shady Sands wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 17:03 KwarK wrote:
Things were better when we owned the damn place. If it weren't for all the anti-imperialist protests we could invade, steal 90% of the natural wealth of the country and still be doing everyone a favour. These countries ought to be among the richest in the world, even in the grips of civil war and anarchy there is still enough wealth to fund constant warfare.
Unfortunately nobody wants the bad PR involved with imperialism these days, far better to indirectly sponsor it with demand for the riches of the country while ensuring that a black guy pulls the trigger.

Gotta disagree here. Claiming that, since outright colonialism wins over colonialism by proxy, we should invade, ignores the infinitely better option of respecting local sovereignty and simply leaving them alone.

I guess the question would be infinitely better for whom? Public Relations? Let them fight their bloody civil wars every 1-5 years. The average citizen? Colonialism, period, end of story. Your friends and family don't die in the wars, and you pay the cost in natural resources, not blood. That is not even getting to what local sovereignty means with the foreign invaders a couple countries over than the ones an ocean away. Infinitely better? Only for PR.
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zalz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Netherlands3704 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-22 08:28:38
November 22 2012 08:28 GMT
#18
On November 22 2012 17:17 Shai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 17:10 RenSC2 wrote:
Dear America (my country),

We already have Afghanistan and Iraq. We have a potential major threat in Iran which can't be ignored completely. We have conflict in Israel/Palestine. We have some involvement in Libya. We're waiting on Syria, but will likely be involved in some way soon. There's always a threat from N. Korea looming and even China seems to be pushing it's borders.

We are stretched thin. We don't need the Congo. We'd spend more money stabilizing that region than we could ever hope to gain from it in mineral wealth. They aren't attacking us. They aren't threatening us. They have nothing to do with us. Let's keep it that way.

Let the world see what happens when the United States doesn't get involved (5 million deaths and counting!). Maybe then the world will see that we aren't the big baddies that go around sowing conflict like they blame us for in the middle east. Maybe then the world will see that our military activities actually prevent more deaths than they cause. Maybe then the world will get back to wanting us involved.

Not now.


Don't worry, you can get involved in your own civil war some time this century; the world is fine with Americans fighting Americans.


Don't read so much Russia Today. It fries your brain and makes you say stupid things.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18857 Posts
November 22 2012 08:29 GMT
#19
On November 22 2012 17:21 Shady Sands wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 17:03 KwarK wrote:
Things were better when we owned the damn place. If it weren't for all the anti-imperialist protests we could invade, steal 90% of the natural wealth of the country and still be doing everyone a favour. These countries ought to be among the richest in the world, even in the grips of civil war and anarchy there is still enough wealth to fund constant warfare.
Unfortunately nobody wants the bad PR involved with imperialism these days, far better to indirectly sponsor it with demand for the riches of the country while ensuring that a black guy pulls the trigger.

Also, Britain never owned Congo. The DRC had the misfortune to be colonized by the Belgians, who left behind only 20 college-educated people in the entire country and tore up thousands of km of railroads, bridges, ports, and roadways when they left the country.

One more point: I will agree that by and large, the British were a better colonial agent than the Dutch or (heaven forbid) the French; however, the same institutional and economic gains made by a colonial legacy also occurred in many states untouched by colonialism, such as Siam/Thailand and Nationalist China. The gains of colonialism could easily be replicated by non-colonial processes without a similar abrogation of sovereignty.

Taiwan had a major Dutch East India trading fort for a few decades in the early 1600's along with some Spanish settlements, though these were quite short lived if I remember correctly. In any case, Thailand is the better example
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Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
November 22 2012 08:29 GMT
#20
On November 22 2012 17:10 RenSC2 wrote:
Dear America (my country),

We already have Afghanistan and Iraq. We have a potential major threat in Iran which can't be ignored completely. We have conflict in Israel/Palestine. We have some involvement in Libya. We're waiting on Syria, but will likely be involved in some way soon. There's always a threat from N. Korea looming and even China seems to be pushing it's borders.

We are stretched thin. We don't need the Congo. We'd spend more money stabilizing that region than we could ever hope to gain from it in mineral wealth. They aren't attacking us. They aren't threatening us. They have nothing to do with us. Let's keep it that way.

Let the world see what happens when the United States doesn't get involved (5 million deaths and counting!). Maybe then the world will see that we aren't the big baddies that go around sowing conflict like they blame us for in the middle east. Maybe then the world will see that our military activities actually prevent more deaths than they cause. Maybe then the world will get back to wanting us involved.

Not now.

You could just go the middle path like most European countries and only intervene (and only in a limited fashion) when civilians are put on the line, instead of a fullblown invasion which no one wants.
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