Teens binging on energy drinks Some Finnish kids are chugging up to a dozen energy drinks a day to get "buzzed."
“It’s not good that growing kids' hearts are pounding fast because of caffeine and sugar,” said Teija Pilli, a social worker at the Tripla youth centre in Lahti.
Pilli said she once encountered a young boy who had drunk 20 half-litre energy drink bottles. In addition to caffeine, one such beverage contains the equivalent of 14 sugar cubes.
“They call it getting buzzed,” she added.
Kids are using energy drinks to achieve a hyperactive state, according to Pilli. Energy drinks also appeal to kids because of their price, which is often half of regular soda.
The city of Lahti and the Finnish Parents’ League have joined forces to forbid people younger than 16 from buying the drinks often loaded with sugar and caffeine. Their petition needs 50,000 signatures to come before parliament. Kid beer?
Fifteen-year-olds Daniel and Eve from Lahti are familiar with energy drink abuse. Daniel said he used to chug down one can a day but has since stopped because it was harming his sports performance.
“They made my pulse rise too quickly,” he explained.
Eve said she has less problems waking up in the morning after ditching her energy drink habit.
The duo said their peers like to think of energy drinks as beer.
“They feel like they’re adults when they have a lot of energy drinks. Friends will say, 'let's go to your place and drink – energy drinks.' Then they’ll throw back ten cans.”
I have to say after seeing young kids buying lot of energy drinks, what are they really doing? Is this really new way to pretend drinking beer, getting "buzzed".
I wonder what does big use of energy drinks do to you after long period of time. Is it even morally right to let kids drink these while we don't really know effects that might harm them.
Call me a old fashion but I think banning energy drinks wont help at all. Good education about their harms might do better work and increase of taxation as well.
How about other countries?
edit: about half price cost to soda is meant for no-name brands.
in US energy drinks are definitely not half the price of regular soda, our soda is super super cheaply made, some of it is cheaper than buying water. if i want to buy a liter of monster i have to pay triple what i would pay for a liter of cola.
On November 10 2012 20:14 PrinceXizor wrote: in US energy drinks are definitely not half the price of regular soda, our soda is super super cheaply made, some of it is cheaper than buying water. if i want to buy a liter of monster i have to pay triple what i would pay for a liter of cola.
EDIT: actually it's far more than triple.
I don't want a large farva. I want a goddamn liter o'cola!
Dunno but in Canada (BC at least) you cant even have the things anywhere near a school and kids are taught the problems they can cause in health classes.
However another thing is, cheaper than regular soda my ass 471ml monster $3.99 591ml Pepsi $1.89
I'm going to Finland to stock up on Nos if thats the case
This isn't actually the worst of it. A lot of teenagers buy energy drinks that have alcohol in them (one popular one is called like Four Loco or something) and drink them at parties. They're usually similar to having Red Bull and beer mixed together.
On November 10 2012 20:14 PrinceXizor wrote: in US energy drinks are definitely not half the price of regular soda, our soda is super super cheaply made, some of it is cheaper than buying water. if i want to buy a liter of monster i have to pay triple what i would pay for a liter of cola.
EDIT: actually it's far more than triple.
I don't want a large farva. I want a goddamn liter o'cola!
lol. yeah. but seriously it's .80 dollars 2 liters for cola and 1.50 a can for monster.
On November 10 2012 20:22 MtlGuitarist97 wrote: This isn't actually the worst of it. A lot of teenagers buy energy drinks that have alcohol in them (one popular one is called like Four Loco or something) and drink them at parties. They're usually similar to having Red Bull and beer mixed together.
four loko no longer has caffeine or anything added to them according to US law. so they are just bad tasting 24 proof Ices now
On November 10 2012 20:22 MtlGuitarist97 wrote: This isn't actually the worst of it. A lot of teenagers buy energy drinks that have alcohol in them (one popular one is called like Four Loco or something) and drink them at parties. They're usually similar to having Red Bull and beer mixed together.
edit: okay i'm not that funny lol you can't actually buy drinks with alcohol in them unless you're of age in most countries so that's the equivalent of teenagers drinking beer pretty much
I used to do this in my youth, and yes it can cause diabetes, it can cause hypertension and yes, it can cause dizziness and sleep problems.
But let's put this into perspective, I am now 26 y/o and my brain is in perfect health, the same cannot be said for kids who would have abused alcohol instead of energy drink. I am glad it's more focused on a less harmful substance than alcohol at the moment, and comparing sugar + cafein with alcohol is retarded at best (said from a biochemical and health standpoint).
However, I do think there should be warnings on the cans with a recommended limit (not the small 1mm line there is right now).
Also, its less harmful than sigarettes. There is a limit that governments should not cross when trying to stop people from consuming potential harmful drinks. I would be pissed if I couldnt do my exams without energy drinks back then, but also today (though I switched to expensive drinks like RedBull which don't screw up my intestines and which keep me from overconsumption).
Drinking 20 litres of water is also bad for your health. So what I recommend is education - teach the kids in school (during health, PE and/or biology classes) that overconsumption of energy drink is bad for their health and warn them about the possible problems that could arise from overusage.
On November 10 2012 20:21 rewired wrote: Dunno but in Canada (BC at least) you cant even have the things anywhere near a school and kids are taught the problems they can cause in health classes.
However another thing is, cheaper than regular soda my ass 471ml monster $3.99 591ml Pepsi $1.89
I'm going to Finland to stock up on Nos if thats the case
I'm fairly sure Nos is ridiculously expensive everywhere. I assume that the woman in the interview was talking about no-name energy drinks that are dirt cheap. In Germany, they go for somethling like €0.60 or €0.70 for 1 litre. However, the same applies for no-name soda, too.
On November 10 2012 20:21 rewired wrote: Dunno but in Canada (BC at least) you cant even have the things anywhere near a school and kids are taught the problems they can cause in health classes.
However another thing is, cheaper than regular soda my ass 471ml monster $3.99 591ml Pepsi $1.89
I'm going to Finland to stock up on Nos if thats the case
I'm fairly sure Nos is ridiculously expensive everywhere. I assume that the woman in the interview was talking about no-name energy drinks that are dirt cheap. In Germany, they go for somethling like €0.60 or €0.70 for 1 litre. However, the same applies for no-name soda, too.
I've never seen a generic energy drink in the USA. weird.
Energy drinks half as cheap as soda??? Where do they live... the energy drink factory maybe? Anyway, getting buzzed on energy drinks... my God. Chugging 20 cans of 0.5L a day... or drinking everyday. This probably has more health risks than chugging a beer a day -.- I like energy drinks from time to time (maybe a can once a month), but this is just extreme =/ energy drink are a plauge on modern society
Energy drinks, cheap? LOL, NOPE. The ever popular Monster is basically at least 3 euros a can here. Other brands like Redbull etc. are not much cheaper. As for downing litres of it a day, well, idiots will be idiots.
On November 10 2012 20:21 rewired wrote: Dunno but in Canada (BC at least) you cant even have the things anywhere near a school and kids are taught the problems they can cause in health classes.
However another thing is, cheaper than regular soda my ass 471ml monster $3.99 591ml Pepsi $1.89
I'm going to Finland to stock up on Nos if thats the case
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In Alberta energy drinks are often on sale at various convenience stores such as 711, etc for 2 for $4 (473ml cans). Thats 2 dollars per 473ml can.
And at 711, there's always one brand of energy drink on sale for 2 for $4 at any given time.
On November 10 2012 20:25 Callynn wrote: I used to do this in my youth, and yes it can cause diabetes, it can cause hypertension and yes, it can cause dizziness and sleep problems.
Excessive intake of sugar does not cause diabetes, it is not that simple. An unhealthy lifestyle may increase the chance of type 2 diabetes but to claim that energy drinks "cause diabetes" is a lie.
On November 10 2012 20:39 Sinensis wrote: Energy drinks are the same price as cheap beer; which are more expensive that soda. Two dollars for a monster two dollars for a tall boy.
ah, blessed Germany, where you can get a bottle of really, really good beer for about 50 cents at a supermarket
Coke is a lot more expensive, cheap energy drinks are rather cheap, but still more expensive than beer.
On November 10 2012 20:21 rewired wrote: Dunno but in Canada (BC at least) you cant even have the things anywhere near a school and kids are taught the problems they can cause in health classes.
However another thing is, cheaper than regular soda my ass 471ml monster $3.99 591ml Pepsi $1.89
I'm going to Finland to stock up on Nos if thats the case
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In Alberta energy drinks are often on sale at various convenience stores such as 711, etc for 2 for $4 (473ml cans). Thats 2 dollars per 473ml can.
And at 711, there's always one brand of energy drink on sale for 2 for $4 at any given time.
Whenever I go to 711 the best I see is 2 for 5 and this is like every second or third month.
It's the 1€ costing .5l energy drinks kids drink here, the "quality" brands like red bull cost like 2-3 times as much and sodas like cola are almost twice as expensive as well.
At least I regularly see kids in train/bus with this in their hands. Can't say what it actually causes in kids but I'm pretty sure the really low price is main factor here at least.
Teens binging on energy drinks Some Finnish kids are chugging up to a dozen energy drinks a day to get "buzzed."
“It’s not good that growing kids' hearts are pounding fast because of caffeine and sugar,” said Teija Pilli, a social worker at the Tripla youth centre in Lahti.
Pilli said she once encountered a young boy who had drunk 20 half-litre energy drink bottles. In addition to caffeine, one such beverage contains the equivalent of 14 sugar cubes.
“They call it getting buzzed,” she added.
Kids are using energy drinks to achieve a hyperactive state, according to Pilli. Energy drinks also appeal to kids because of their price, which is often half of regular soda.
The city of Lahti and the Finnish Parents’ League have joined forces to forbid people younger than 16 from buying the drinks often loaded with sugar and caffeine. Their petition needs 50,000 signatures to come before parliament. Kid beer?
Fifteen-year-olds Daniel and Eve from Lahti are familiar with energy drink abuse. Daniel said he used to chug down one can a day but has since stopped because it was harming his sports performance.
“They made my pulse rise too quickly,” he explained.
Eve said she has less problems waking up in the morning after ditching her energy drink habit.
The duo said their peers like to think of energy drinks as beer.
“They feel like they’re adults when they have a lot of energy drinks. Friends will say, 'let's go to your place and drink – energy drinks.' Then they’ll throw back ten cans.”
I have to say after seeing young kids buying lot of energy drinks, what are they really doing? Is this really new way to pretend drinking beer, getting "buzzed".
I wonder what does big use of energy drinks do to you after long period of time. Is it even morally right to let kids drink these while we don't really know effects that might harm them.
Call me a old fashion but I think banning energy drinks wont help at all. Good education about their harms might do better work and increase of taxation as well.
How about other countries?
edit: about half price cost to soda is meant for no-name brands.
We know exactly what it does, healthwise. Every ingredient in them has been studied extensively. The sugary ones aren't as bad for you as a cup of fancy coffee loaded with cream and sugar, the sugar free varieties are a little worse for you than a cup of regular coffee with no added sugar/milk/etc. I'm not really a fan of children buying them, but unless they abuse them to a really stupid degree (Which has been done) it's not the worst or even close to the worst thing they could be doing.
It's more an issue of parenting however - Where are 16 year olds kidding the money for energy drinks? Since in most places they're very expensive compared to just about any other drink. If they're working and using their own money it's still an issue of poor parenting as their parents obviously never taught them not to waste money.
After the recent death of a girl with a heart condition and bad parents / no common sense I asked my cardiologist friend his thoughts on the matter and he said he's still drinking Monster and most of the other doctors he knows are drinking Monster, Rockstar, 5 Hour Energy, whatever, because it's more convenient than coffee.
On November 10 2012 20:39 Sinensis wrote: Energy drinks are the same price as cheap beer; which are more expensive that soda. Two dollars for a monster two dollars for a tall boy.
Thank God i dont live in the United States of Wecantbrew.
Theres cheap beer in Germany starting at 30ct/500ml that actually tastes good, doesnt give you a headache later on and is probably of good quality (counting ingredients, manufacturing process ...)
Red Bull/Monster is criminally overpriced here so this is a non-issue. Maybe places like Finland where it seems to be 3-4x cheaper should indeed look at applying an age restriction.
With that said, even one can of Monster makes me feel disgustingly sick so reading those numbers of consumption boggles my mind.
That just sounds unbelievably retarded. I'm not sure we should outlaw energy drinks, though, or do stuff like tax the prices up an absurd amount. There will always be idiots, and they will always find a way to make themselves look like they licked the paint off the walls a few dozens times as a kid. These exact same morons will probably be the ones pioneering the next wave of stupid shit you can do that fucks you up.
Kids in finland likes to drink "Euroshopper energydrink" "or ES" which contains ½ Litre energydrink... It costs 1euro / each. For example monster energy drink costs almost 3 euros and redbull 2e for half size...
Yeah, middle schoolers chugging Euroshopper enegy drinks are somewhat of a stereotype here :p
It's stupid. It's the same as chugging watered down coffee that's saturated with sucrose. You can't put bans and taxes on those things, you just have to make the kids see the silliness of it.
On November 10 2012 20:39 Sinensis wrote: Energy drinks are the same price as cheap beer; which are more expensive that soda. Two dollars for a monster two dollars for a tall boy.
Thank God i dont live in the United States of Wecantbrew.
Theres cheap beer in Germany starting at 30ct/500ml that actually tastes good, doesnt give you a headache later on and is probably of good quality (counting ingredients, manufacturing process ...)
Hey come on now! You are making me jealous! ^^
On topic. Just need to teach people (kids and adults) to drink these energy drinks in moderation (if at all). Pretty much like with anything.
I knew this article was a joke when it claimed Energy drinks were half the price of the soda.
When an article is that far off of a very obviously and easy to check fact, you need to ignore it completely and find better media to try and let brainwash you.
Looking at you, people who actually believe anything Fox News or Daily Mail says.
On November 10 2012 23:03 Figgy wrote: I knew this article was a joke when it claimed Energy drinks were half the price of the soda.
When an article is that far off of a very obviously and easy to check fact, you need to ignore it completely and find better media to try and let brainwash you.
Looking at you, people who actually believe anything Fox News or Daily Mail says.
So you know better than all the finnish people here who have been saying that it's true? At my local store, a 0.5 l soda is 1.90€, while you can get a 0.5l energy drink for 1€. That's pretty much half-price.
Not just kids are doing this. Most people who walk into a shop to buy a bottle of drink will not come out with a bottle of coke or a water, they come out with a can of red bull or any other numerous energy drink label. Something needs to happen with these energy drinks imo, they are not good for you in large amounts and are only supposed to be used as stimulants, just like coffee is a good "wake up" drink. Be interesting how they tackle this issue in the coming years, as im sure it will cause issues with health down the line.
On November 10 2012 23:03 Figgy wrote: I knew this article was a joke when it claimed Energy drinks were half the price of the soda.
When an article is that far off of a very obviously and easy to check fact, you need to ignore it completely and find better media to try and let brainwash you.
Looking at you, people who actually believe anything Fox News or Daily Mail says.
But the article isn't a joke. I really wish people under 15 couldn't buy energy drinks, so they couldn't fuck up their health so easily.
"Consuming energy drinks can exert acute positive benefits on myocardial performance, according to research presented August 27 at the ESC Congress by Dr Matteo Cameli from University of Siena."In recent years the energy drink market has exploded, with more people than ever before turning to these products as quick 'pick me ups', whether to stay awake during all night study vigils or gain the edge in sport," said Dr Cameli."
And the half price thing seems crazy. Buying a 2L bottle of pop is roughly just less than $2 any given day where I live. The cheapest energy drink of the 473ml variety is at cheapest, $2.50 as part of a deal. I don't think I've ever seen, even as part of a sale, equality in price per size for an energy drink and a pop, let alone half the price of a similar-sized pop.
why are always talking about the expensive energy drinks like red bull or monster, even in Germany there are 1,5 litre bottles for 80 cents available ,but they have all exactly the same amount of caffeine & taurin if you look more closely at the ingridients...
Energy drinks aren't any worse than coffee with sugar. Pretending that they're "dangerous" is silly.
Lets get some sources that show they're more dangerous than coffee, because I've never seen any. And no one is up in arms about kids drinking coffee.
If it's the caffeine, coffee contains double per 8oz.
If it's the sugar, there are obviously varying levels of sugar in all energy drinks, from sugar-free to tons of it. Same for sodas, same for coffee. Should be done in moderation, but its no more dangerous than any other sugar drink.
It we're going to pretend it's the supplements, then that's crazy, as its pretty much just a few vitamins and amino acids which range from useless to good for you.
Like all things in life, consume in moderation. If you abuse it, there's a tiny, nearly statistically irrelevant chance you'll die because of a preexisting heart condition or something like that.
It's not a big deal. People die from all kinds of things all the time, we can't go and ban everything or control everything. Keep telling the parents about the potential dangers and leave it at that. And once in a while someone will die - but in the same time period, hundreds of people will have died from choking from trying to swallow a huge hunk of meat.
Am I the only one who finds this really funny hahaha I'm talking about the finnish kids hahaha. Kids nowadays..
That's making me wonder how's the marketing of energy drinks like, and is that 'buzz' like a beer high? I don't know how it feels because I've never drank a can of sugar, sugar and sugar before.
On November 10 2012 20:25 Callynn wrote: I used to do this in my youth, and yes it can cause diabetes, it can cause hypertension and yes, it can cause dizziness and sleep problems.
But let's put this into perspective, I am now 26 y/o and my brain is in perfect health, the same cannot be said for kids who would have abused alcohol instead of energy drink. I am glad it's more focused on a less harmful substance than alcohol at the moment, and comparing sugar + cafein with alcohol is retarded at best (said from a biochemical and health standpoint).
However, I do think there should be warnings on the cans with a recommended limit (not the small 1mm line there is right now).
Also, its less harmful than sigarettes. There is a limit that governments should not cross when trying to stop people from consuming potential harmful drinks. I would be pissed if I couldnt do my exams without energy drinks back then, but also today (though I switched to expensive drinks like RedBull which don't screw up my intestines and which keep me from overconsumption).
Drinking 20 litres of water is also bad for your health. So what I recommend is education - teach the kids in school (during health, PE and/or biology classes) that overconsumption of energy drink is bad for their health and warn them about the possible problems that could arise from overusage.
Can we just do away entirely with the "JUST SLAP A WARNING ON IT AND TELL THEM ITS BAD!" mentality? I'm not attacking you here, it's just that warnings are universally useless. If you can't judge yourself whether something might cause you harm, then we have way more things to worry about than people consuming sugar.
On November 10 2012 20:25 Callynn wrote: I used to do this in my youth, and yes it can cause diabetes, it can cause hypertension and yes, it can cause dizziness and sleep problems.
But let's put this into perspective, I am now 26 y/o and my brain is in perfect health, the same cannot be said for kids who would have abused alcohol instead of energy drink. I am glad it's more focused on a less harmful substance than alcohol at the moment, and comparing sugar + cafein with alcohol is retarded at best (said from a biochemical and health standpoint).
However, I do think there should be warnings on the cans with a recommended limit (not the small 1mm line there is right now).
Also, its less harmful than sigarettes. There is a limit that governments should not cross when trying to stop people from consuming potential harmful drinks. I would be pissed if I couldnt do my exams without energy drinks back then, but also today (though I switched to expensive drinks like RedBull which don't screw up my intestines and which keep me from overconsumption).
Drinking 20 litres of water is also bad for your health. So what I recommend is education - teach the kids in school (during health, PE and/or biology classes) that overconsumption of energy drink is bad for their health and warn them about the possible problems that could arise from overusage.
Can we just do away entirely with the "JUST SLAP A WARNING ON IT AND TELL THEM ITS BAD!" mentality? I'm not attacking you here, it's just that warnings are universally useless. If you can't judge yourself whether something might cause you harm, then we have way more things to worry about than people consuming sugar.
What do you suggest? Barge in people's house and whip them 10 times if they try to open a second can? Doing a little something that's not invasive is better than doing nothing. If it can make a few people realize that they shouldn't abuse a product it's good.
Seems like energy drinks are vastly cheaper everywhere else in the world. We're at about $4-5 a can, even from the supermarket.
Energy drinks are pretty dangerous, mostly because they can help you push yourself beyond whats normally capable. In the case of kids drinking them by themselves, this can't be good. But when they get mixed with alcohol is when they can become very dangerous - if they sustain you more than usual, so you can drink more alcohol, it's quite possible to get severe alcohol poisoning where you would have otherwise just passed out way beforehand without the energy drink. Something to be careful about.
It's hillarious, last week I passed some 12 year old sipping on a can each, with a bag of more between them. I actually stopped and made a face as I looked at 'em..
On November 11 2012 00:37 Lysanias wrote: 16+ to drink those toxin cans. It's serieus poison, and should have regulations like smoking and alcohol does.
It's a lot less dangerous than many of the things we consume every day. Calling it "poison" is a bit abusive.
Even though its been mentioned, I think what everyone needs to realise is that the article isnt talking about high price branded energy drinks but rather cheap supermarket knock offs which are incredibly cheap. Tesco branded Red bull known as 'Kick' is £1 a litre
On November 11 2012 00:03 Felnarion wrote: Energy drinks aren't any worse than coffee with sugar. Pretending that they're "dangerous" is silly.
Lets get some sources that show they're more dangerous than coffee, because I've never seen any. And no one is up in arms about kids drinking coffee.
If it's the caffeine, coffee contains double per 8oz.
If it's the sugar, there are obviously varying levels of sugar in all energy drinks, from sugar-free to tons of it. Same for sodas, same for coffee. Should be done in moderation, but its no more dangerous than any other sugar drink.
It we're going to pretend it's the supplements, then that's crazy, as its pretty much just a few vitamins and amino acids which range from useless to good for you.
that seems very doubtful. Care to provide sources? Although i do think the same restrictions should apply to coffee, but kids generally don't drink coffee, unlike energy drinks.
On November 11 2012 00:37 Lysanias wrote: 16+ to drink those toxin cans. It's serieus poison, and should have regulations like smoking and alcohol does.
It's a lot less dangerous than many of the things we consume every day. Calling it "poison" is a bit abusive.
Like what would you consider more dangerous, now i am intrested.
On November 11 2012 00:37 Lysanias wrote: 16+ to drink those toxin cans. It's serieus poison, and should have regulations like smoking and alcohol does.
It's a lot less dangerous than many of the things we consume every day. Calling it "poison" is a bit abusive.
Like what would you consider less, now i am intrested.
Considering how few people die every year from energy drinks (very few), a lot more people die every year choking on steak. Peanut butter is the cause of death of 50 to 100 people every year in the US alone.
So peanut butter is more dangerous than energy drinks. We don't complain about peanut butter tho :o
Energy drinks also appeal to kids because of their price, which is often half of regular soda.
Not completely false. You can find couple popular brands of energy drinks in finland that are half the price to the equivalent size of pepsi or coca cola drink. Sodas are probably more expensive than in US: 1.5 litres of coke costs around 2.40 euros I'd say and 0.5 litres costs 1.8-1.9 euros and the popular energy drinks amond kids are under 1 euro for 0.5L. Nobody buys the 1.5 litre bottle if they want to drink it asap. Sodas have cheaper brands aswell but those aren't that popular or harder to get meaning only specific stores sell some of the cheaper brands.
On November 11 2012 00:03 Felnarion wrote: Energy drinks aren't any worse than coffee with sugar. Pretending that they're "dangerous" is silly.
Lets get some sources that show they're more dangerous than coffee, because I've never seen any. And no one is up in arms about kids drinking coffee.
If it's the caffeine, coffee contains double per 8oz.
If it's the sugar, there are obviously varying levels of sugar in all energy drinks, from sugar-free to tons of it. Same for sodas, same for coffee. Should be done in moderation, but its no more dangerous than any other sugar drink.
It we're going to pretend it's the supplements, then that's crazy, as its pretty much just a few vitamins and amino acids which range from useless to good for you.
that seems very doubtful. Care to provide sources? Although i do think the same restrictions should apply to coffee, kids generally don't drink coffee, unlike energy drinks.
Coffee generally has double the caffeine per oz, but it's not universal. For ex, Einstein Bro's regular coffee is 300 mg per 16 oz and monster energy is 160 mg per 16 oz. Of course, there's drink likes Spike Shooter with double the 'normal' caffeine.
I live in USA, and energy drinks (monster/redbull are popular ones) are FAR more expensive than soda or water. It's actually quite ridiculous for the price. As a teenager, I don't see anyone doing this to get buzzed, they just drink alcohol if so.
On November 11 2012 00:03 Felnarion wrote: Energy drinks aren't any worse than coffee with sugar. Pretending that they're "dangerous" is silly.
Lets get some sources that show they're more dangerous than coffee, because I've never seen any. And no one is up in arms about kids drinking coffee.
If it's the caffeine, coffee contains double per 8oz.
If it's the sugar, there are obviously varying levels of sugar in all energy drinks, from sugar-free to tons of it. Same for sodas, same for coffee. Should be done in moderation, but its no more dangerous than any other sugar drink.
It we're going to pretend it's the supplements, then that's crazy, as its pretty much just a few vitamins and amino acids which range from useless to good for you.
that seems very doubtful. Care to provide sources? Although i do think the same restrictions should apply to coffee, kids generally don't drink coffee, unlike energy drinks.
Coffee generally has double the caffeine per oz, but it's not universal. For ex, Einstein Bro's regular coffee is 300 mg per 16 oz and monster energy is 160 mg per 16 oz. Of course, there's drink likes Spike Shooter with double the 'normal' caffeine.
There is something to be said for that, but in most cases I would be willing to bet the extraneous chemical components in most energy drinks (Monster, Red Bull, Rockstar, Snake Eyes etc.) have more adverse affects than coffee when consumed en masse. Not to mention, the fact that most of these drinks contain multiple daily servings of several nutrients.
In most cases that is no big deal, your body will simply dispose of the the excess. My concern for things like this is the risk of dependency. These kinds of energy drinks were just kicking off when I was in high school, and I saw kids that would carry 3 or 4 cans to make it through the day. Ostensibly people do similar things with Coffee as well, I would be curious to see if there were any indications or examples of dependency or withdrawal from energy drinks.
Might as well ban all soda and fast food. After all it's cheap and unhealthy just like a sugary energy drinks. I'll never understand some parents, instead of taking the time to teach your children you rather the government just ban things. It's honestly pathetic.
On November 11 2012 00:46 HwangjaeTerran wrote: It's a sign of a healthy society when even kids do anything and everything to escape reality.
yeah, bro get all caffeinated and tripp bro like totally bro, pink elephants bro.
On November 11 2012 00:03 Felnarion wrote: Energy drinks aren't any worse than coffee with sugar. Pretending that they're "dangerous" is silly.
Lets get some sources that show they're more dangerous than coffee, because I've never seen any. And no one is up in arms about kids drinking coffee.
If it's the caffeine, coffee contains double per 8oz.
If it's the sugar, there are obviously varying levels of sugar in all energy drinks, from sugar-free to tons of it. Same for sodas, same for coffee. Should be done in moderation, but its no more dangerous than any other sugar drink.
It we're going to pretend it's the supplements, then that's crazy, as its pretty much just a few vitamins and amino acids which range from useless to good for you.
that seems very doubtful. Care to provide sources? Although i do think the same restrictions should apply to coffee, kids generally don't drink coffee, unlike energy drinks.
Coffee generally has double the caffeine per oz, but it's not universal. For ex, Einstein Bro's regular coffee is 300 mg per 16 oz and monster energy is 160 mg per 16 oz. Of course, there's drink likes Spike Shooter with double the 'normal' caffeine.
There is something to be said for that, but in most cases I would be willing to bet the extraneous chemical components in most energy drinks (Monster, Red Bull, Rockstar, Snake Eyes etc.) have more adverse affects than coffee when consumed en masse. Not to mention, the fact that most of these drinks contain multiple daily servings of several nutrients.
In most cases that is no big deal, your body will simply dispose of the the excess. My concern for things like this is the risk of dependency. These kinds of energy drinks were just kicking off when I was in high school, and I saw kids that would carry 3 or 4 cans to make it through the day. Ostensibly people do similar things with Coffee as well, I would be curious to see if there were any indications or examples of dependency or withdrawal from energy drinks.
"extraneous chemicals"? lmao. You mean the supplements like B vitamins, inositol, taurine? those have been used for a very long time and are safe. Ginseng and guarana are also safe and have been used for 1000's of years. The only thing unsafe is drinking 60grams of sugar in one sitting.
On November 11 2012 00:03 Felnarion wrote: Energy drinks aren't any worse than coffee with sugar. Pretending that they're "dangerous" is silly.
Lets get some sources that show they're more dangerous than coffee, because I've never seen any. And no one is up in arms about kids drinking coffee.
If it's the caffeine, coffee contains double per 8oz.
If it's the sugar, there are obviously varying levels of sugar in all energy drinks, from sugar-free to tons of it. Same for sodas, same for coffee. Should be done in moderation, but its no more dangerous than any other sugar drink.
It we're going to pretend it's the supplements, then that's crazy, as its pretty much just a few vitamins and amino acids which range from useless to good for you.
that seems very doubtful. Care to provide sources? Although i do think the same restrictions should apply to coffee, kids generally don't drink coffee, unlike energy drinks.
Coffee generally has double the caffeine per oz, but it's not universal. For ex, Einstein Bro's regular coffee is 300 mg per 16 oz and monster energy is 160 mg per 16 oz. Of course, there's drink likes Spike Shooter with double the 'normal' caffeine.
There is something to be said for that, but in most cases I would be willing to bet the extraneous chemical components in most energy drinks (Monster, Red Bull, Rockstar, Snake Eyes etc.) have more adverse affects than coffee when consumed en masse. Not to mention, the fact that most of these drinks contain multiple daily servings of several nutrients.
In most cases that is no big deal, your body will simply dispose of the the excess. My concern for things like this is the risk of dependency. These kinds of energy drinks were just kicking off when I was in high school, and I saw kids that would carry 3 or 4 cans to make it through the day. Ostensibly people do similar things with Coffee as well, I would be curious to see if there were any indications or examples of dependency or withdrawal from energy drinks.
I'd imagine it's the same as people who drink coffee or soda regularly. I do, and if I go ~12-16 hours without a Coke I start getting a headache and other symptoms. But people don't seem worried about that, but the rare chance that someone with a per-existing condition has a heath complication because of over-consumption. Oh, and because kids are acting like they're getting 'buzzed'. Hell, ban pixie sticks because some of us tried snorting them as kids(don't do it btw, burns like hell).
On November 11 2012 00:03 Felnarion wrote: Energy drinks aren't any worse than coffee with sugar. Pretending that they're "dangerous" is silly.
Lets get some sources that show they're more dangerous than coffee, because I've never seen any. And no one is up in arms about kids drinking coffee.
If it's the caffeine, coffee contains double per 8oz.
If it's the sugar, there are obviously varying levels of sugar in all energy drinks, from sugar-free to tons of it. Same for sodas, same for coffee. Should be done in moderation, but its no more dangerous than any other sugar drink.
It we're going to pretend it's the supplements, then that's crazy, as its pretty much just a few vitamins and amino acids which range from useless to good for you.
that seems very doubtful. Care to provide sources? Although i do think the same restrictions should apply to coffee, kids generally don't drink coffee, unlike energy drinks.
Coffee generally has double the caffeine per oz, but it's not universal. For ex, Einstein Bro's regular coffee is 300 mg per 16 oz and monster energy is 160 mg per 16 oz. Of course, there's drink likes Spike Shooter with double the 'normal' caffeine.
There is something to be said for that, but in most cases I would be willing to bet the extraneous chemical components in most energy drinks (Monster, Red Bull, Rockstar, Snake Eyes etc.) have more adverse affects than coffee when consumed en masse. Not to mention, the fact that most of these drinks contain multiple daily servings of several nutrients.
In most cases that is no big deal, your body will simply dispose of the the excess. My concern for things like this is the risk of dependency. These kinds of energy drinks were just kicking off when I was in high school, and I saw kids that would carry 3 or 4 cans to make it through the day. Ostensibly people do similar things with Coffee as well, I would be curious to see if there were any indications or examples of dependency or withdrawal from energy drinks.
I'd imagine it's the same as people who drink coffee or soda regularly. I do, and if I go ~12-16 hours without a Coke I start getting a headache and other symptoms.
True in all honesty it is probably pretty innocuous, I just try to stay away from that much sugar. I drink more coffee than your average bear, but always black. That amount of sugar makes me twitch just thinking about it, or that may be my 3rd cup of coffee XD
i agree that there should be some limit for kids. be it amount (hard to control) or age. ive seen like 10 year old kids buying 10 cans of energy stuff and it doesnt need any studies or something to know that thats not good for them.
On November 11 2012 00:46 HwangjaeTerran wrote: It's a sign of a healthy society when even kids do anything and everything to escape reality.
thats really pushing that far. also in that age (~14-18) you just wanna test out things ,be cool, get kicks. thats totally normal. i did WAY WAY worse things at that age...
not saying that "our" society is on a good way tho..
On November 11 2012 00:03 Felnarion wrote: Energy drinks aren't any worse than coffee with sugar. Pretending that they're "dangerous" is silly.
Lets get some sources that show they're more dangerous than coffee, because I've never seen any. And no one is up in arms about kids drinking coffee.
If it's the caffeine, coffee contains double per 8oz.
If it's the sugar, there are obviously varying levels of sugar in all energy drinks, from sugar-free to tons of it. Same for sodas, same for coffee. Should be done in moderation, but its no more dangerous than any other sugar drink.
It we're going to pretend it's the supplements, then that's crazy, as its pretty much just a few vitamins and amino acids which range from useless to good for you.
that seems very doubtful. Care to provide sources? Although i do think the same restrictions should apply to coffee, kids generally don't drink coffee, unlike energy drinks.
Coffee generally has double the caffeine per oz, but it's not universal. For ex, Einstein Bro's regular coffee is 300 mg per 16 oz and monster energy is 160 mg per 16 oz. Of course, there's drink likes Spike Shooter with double the 'normal' caffeine.
There is something to be said for that, but in most cases I would be willing to bet the extraneous chemical components in most energy drinks (Monster, Red Bull, Rockstar, Snake Eyes etc.) have more adverse affects than coffee when consumed en masse. Not to mention, the fact that most of these drinks contain multiple daily servings of several nutrients.
In most cases that is no big deal, your body will simply dispose of the the excess. My concern for things like this is the risk of dependency. These kinds of energy drinks were just kicking off when I was in high school, and I saw kids that would carry 3 or 4 cans to make it through the day. Ostensibly people do similar things with Coffee as well, I would be curious to see if there were any indications or examples of dependency or withdrawal from energy drinks.
I'd imagine it's the same as people who drink coffee or soda regularly. I do, and if I go ~12-16 hours without a Coke I start getting a headache and other symptoms. But people don't seem worried about that, but the rare chance that someone with a per-existing condition has a heath complication because of over-consumption. Oh, and because kids are acting like they're getting 'buzzed'. Hell, ban pixie sticks because some of us tried snorting them as kids(don't do it btw, burns like hell).
Real men snort sour skittles crystals! (I do not actually condone this behavior, as it will cause an immediate and intense nosebleed.)
This is a parents problem, not a substance problem... If a kid is so stupid as to do that then it was the fault of the parent for not instilling common sense.
Kids in America are spoiled as fuck these days. My nephew who is 10 has a fucking iPhone 5 and iPad. Dumb asd parents give whatever their ungrateful piece of shit kids want.
Another thing is kids are too fucking brain dead to read and research the god damn label. Maybe if you know what you're consuming you wouldnt have health problems now would you, mother fucking pussy bitch. I hate teenagers so much.
On November 11 2012 05:52 clocked wrote: Kids in America are spoiled as fuck these days. My nephew who is 10 has a fucking iPhone 5 and iPad. Dumb asd parents give whatever their ungrateful piece of shit kids want.
Another thing is kids are too fucking brain dead to read and research the god damn label. Maybe if you know what you're consuming you wouldnt have health problems now would you, mother fucking pussy bitch. I hate teenagers so much.
They are "kids", you should direct your hate toward the bad parenting. Also, don't forget you were a teenager once
On November 11 2012 05:48 AngryMag wrote: Why don't these kids drink beer and take drugs like normal kids used to? Energy drinks, good god..
My thoughts exactly. Whatever happened to dipping into the parents liquor cabinet (and replacing some of it with water of course) or hanging outside the grocery store and finding the right person to buy you beer and smokes. Teenagers these days....
On November 11 2012 00:37 Lysanias wrote: 16+ to drink those toxin cans. It's serieus poison, and should have regulations like smoking and alcohol does.
It's a lot less dangerous than many of the things we consume every day. Calling it "poison" is a bit abusive.
Like what would you consider more dangerous, now i am intrested.
On November 11 2012 05:48 AngryMag wrote: Why don't these kids drink beer and take drugs like normal kids used to? Energy drinks, good god..
My thoughts exactly. Whatever happened to dipping into the parents liquor cabinet (and replacing some of it with water of course) or hanging outside the grocery store and finding the right person to buy you beer and smokes. Teenagers these days....
It's a generation where they have been repeatedly subjected to the fact that drugs and alcohol have negative consequences for your health and your life in general, but they still want to have the social acceptance that comes with the two.
Of course there's plenty of kids who still do hard drugs and liquor.
Where on earth do they have energy drink that cheaper than regular soda? I've gone to 3,4 countries and no matter it's local or international brand energy drink, they're all way more expensive than regular soda.
On November 10 2012 20:21 Azera wrote: Man... I don't even know where to start with kids these days.
Please stop the bullshit, it's not as if you are 60, and else if you are 60, it's not as if that statement had any merit anyway.
<puts his leg up on a barrel and takes his pipe out of his mouth>
Boy, back in my day, we walked fifteen miles through the snow, uphill, to drink dirt. And it wasn't energized or alcoholized or any of that fancy technology dirt you kids all drink nowadays. And we appreciated it, goddammit!
<spits his chewing tobacco into the nearby spittoon>
ka-TING!
On topic: Kids don't necessarily understand the health problems that occur from guzzling multiple energy drinks. So even though they're not getting drunk off these non-alcoholic beverages, there are still potential issues. That's not to say energy drinks should be banned, but parents should be paying attention to what their kids are eating and drinking.
Energy drinks cheeper than regular soda/beer, where !? Here a monster/red bull is about 2-3$ ( per 500 ml ), you can get 2L of Soda with about 2$ and 2L of beer for as cheep as 1.2- 1.4$ with normal beer that doesn't taste like a piece of shit at around 1.8$ to 3$ if you want to buy 2L bottles. Small 500 bottle prices are not that advantageous but still under 1$ for every soda/beer that is not "very fancy". Edit: Didn't realized it was "knock off" brands, still I never heard of knock of brands here that are cheeper than soda, most of them are still 10-40% more expensive than soda/beer.
On November 11 2012 14:28 Netsky wrote: Won't a dozen energy drinks just give you a heart attack?
Can get one from less.
Most energy drinks are regulated as dietary supplements instead of soda, so they have extremely lax restrictions on what they can include (most notably with regard to sugar and caffeine). Monster, for instance, contains about 5x the amount of caffeine that Coke does (and is significantly above the maximum for a soft drink).
On November 11 2012 14:28 Netsky wrote: Won't a dozen energy drinks just give you a heart attack?
Can get one from less.
Most energy drinks are regulated as dietary supplements instead of soda, so they have extremely lax restrictions on what they can include (most notably with regard to sugar and caffeine). Monster, for instance, contains about 5x the amount of caffeine that Coke does (and is significantly above the maximum for a soft drink).
I did not know that. I've been chugging down a few Monsters almost every other day for the past month because of all the work I had. ><"
A gigantic fucking amount of the kids in north america are fatasses and yet THIS is what you want parents to worry about? Priorities people! Caffeine can be dealt with after you figure out how to get kids to eat healthier or grow a metabolism or something.
On November 11 2012 14:28 Netsky wrote: Won't a dozen energy drinks just give you a heart attack?
Can get one from less.
Most energy drinks are regulated as dietary supplements instead of soda, so they have extremely lax restrictions on what they can include (most notably with regard to sugar and caffeine). Monster, for instance, contains about 5x the amount of caffeine that Coke does (and is significantly above the maximum for a soft drink).
I did not know that. I've been chugging down a few Monsters almost every other day for the past month because of all the work I had. ><"
Lol time to quit!
^This is called jumping to conclusions by the way, if you are about 150 pounds it takes about 65 cans of monster to have a lethal amount. Which by the way if you took a moment to think about, just isn't possible. You would need to have some other heart condition or be near death anyway and have that problem compounded by having a large amount of caffeine in your system.
On November 11 2012 16:11 Ethoex wrote: when i was in high school ( graduated 2011) was when they started getting really popular. No one ever did this though I dont even see the point.
They were already super popular here in toronto already in 2005 starting with red bull.
As usual, parents can't control their children, educators aren't educating them and the solution people come to is force businesses to do the parenting and educating for them.
Such a sad world we live in. When I grew up, I had a health nut grandmother who advised me on good dietary habits and a erudite father who could explain the long term risks of various behaviours. And I'm in my 20s, so this wasn't that long ago.
On November 11 2012 05:48 AngryMag wrote: Why don't these kids drink beer and take drugs like normal kids used to? Energy drinks, good god..
My thoughts exactly. Whatever happened to dipping into the parents liquor cabinet (and replacing some of it with water of course) or hanging outside the grocery store and finding the right person to buy you beer and smokes. Teenagers these days....
I miss the days when hot girls would ask me to buy alcohol for them outside the store. Even scored a couple numbers. gg no re kids these days.
On November 10 2012 20:22 MtlGuitarist97 wrote: This isn't actually the worst of it. A lot of teenagers buy energy drinks that have alcohol in them (one popular one is called like Four Loco or something) and drink them at parties. They're usually similar to having Red Bull and beer mixed together.
4 Loko was forced to remove the energy drink ingredients years ago because of how dangerous the mixed effects were. I still won't drink them, nastiest hangovers of my life came from loko nights.
On November 10 2012 20:22 MtlGuitarist97 wrote: This isn't actually the worst of it. A lot of teenagers buy energy drinks that have alcohol in them (one popular one is called like Four Loco or something) and drink them at parties. They're usually similar to having Red Bull and beer mixed together.
There are certain cocktails containing energy drinks that are pretty damn good. Vodka + monster is cheap and one of my favorite "I'm just here to get drunk" drinks.
On November 10 2012 20:22 MtlGuitarist97 wrote: This isn't actually the worst of it. A lot of teenagers buy energy drinks that have alcohol in them (one popular one is called like Four Loco or something) and drink them at parties. They're usually similar to having Red Bull and beer mixed together.
4 Loko was forced to remove the energy drink ingredients years ago because of how dangerous the mixed effects were. I still won't drink them, nastiest hangovers of my life came from loko nights.
My dad has a small energy drink company and when I was 10 years old, I gave my same year old neighbor 24 cans of those. He though he was funny when he drank up all of them on one evening. Well after an hour he landed in the hospital because of his enormous pulse and blood pressure
Weird...lots of kids I know just smoke weed for their high(!). Ok energy drinks are like soda are like beer, empty calories, that means if your not exercising that shit off you are getting fatty-fat-cakes. I totally understand the caffeine buzz, but I'm caf. sensitive, like one espresso and I'm fuking spaced out-- twittery, glitching etc. etc. My opinion: kids on caffeine is fine... energy drinks are expensive, caffeine probably doesn't fuked you up long term like cigs, and the kids pay the price because the caffeine crash can be brutal and sleepy-pies. Also as a person who is currently drunk, I can say caffeine "high" is no where near the drunkeness, thus I feel regulations on energy drinks equals waste o' time. However education on calories and the necessity of exercise is still valuable and of course energy drinks should be put in the category with soda. Basically worthless in nutrition. Basically should not be sold in schools. Basically I think kids should learn by experience that being hyped on caffeine has consequences (no sleep wiz) and that the "smart" ones will realize that its not worth it in the long run... Post-script: How many adults are addicted to coffee. If you add this to cig smokers, I'm guessing at least 70 percent of pop. And how many of you all are addicted to the computer/computer games. The key is education on how to live normally, and not let the addiction take over your life... as an addict to certain things, I wish I had been taught..............
Follow up post for ya kids: If you drink energy drinks and stay up over 48 hours, the effects are well... just do it lol.... oh, and its really good if you take some downers in between
On November 10 2012 20:22 MtlGuitarist97 wrote: This isn't actually the worst of it. A lot of teenagers buy energy drinks that have alcohol in them (one popular one is called like Four Loco or something) and drink them at parties. They're usually similar to having Red Bull and beer mixed together.
4 Loko was forced to remove the energy drink ingredients years ago because of how dangerous the mixed effects were. I still won't drink them, nastiest hangovers of my life came from loko nights.
I've always thought they should have some kind of limit. Don't see what kids would need energy drinks for. Sure it's 'fun', but, uh. Yeah. Kids under 16, or at least 14 really got no business drinking a lot of this stuff. If you want some you could have your parents buy it. Doesn't have to be 'dangerous' to realize it isn't good for a child to have access to.
I feel it's backwards when energy drinks are accessible, but beer has an age limit of 21 (in the US). Most (European) countries operate with 18 I believe, while some with 16 (on beer). I'm not suggesting you put fines giving energy drinks to 15 year old's, and make it a felony. Just that they are not accessible to 15 year old's to buy in a store. To reduce the binging. No need to enforce anything.
I dont even know how they drink it, tastes soooo bad. The only comparison I like is cheap beer to energy drinks, they both have that shitty taste that makes me gag
As a point, its the relative price. It is cheaper to get super duper "buzzed" on caffine here in australia than it is to get properly drunk. So what do kids do?
Also i drink them all the time, nothing wrong with them.
Kids will be kids. This is just as stupid as the douches who douche their own asses with alcohol. The amount of Energy drinks you would have to drink to get a Buzz feeling is enormous. You would be better off smoking random plants in the garden.
On November 11 2012 18:14 Sea_Food wrote: In my local store energy drinks are 1,4€/litre, soda is 0,3€/litre and beer is 0,9€/litre. All are no name brands.
For named brands energy drinks are like 4-10€/litre, soda is 1-4€/litre and beer is 2-???€/litre.
So that cheaper than soda thing is like compleatly false.
On November 11 2012 18:14 Sea_Food wrote: In my local store energy drinks are 1,4€/litre, soda is 0,3€/litre and beer is 0,9€/litre. All are no name brands.
For named brands energy drinks are like 4-10€/litre, soda is 1-4€/litre and beer is 2-???€/litre.
So that cheaper than soda thing is like compleatly false.
0.3€ for soda... What shop?
Anyways I think its still ES energy drink and soda is meant coca/pepsi/other good brands (not cheap ones).
This is one of those times where I think things like - the parents should be involved in this. However, I also think - kids are stupid.
I think forbidding kids under a certain age, or somehow creating some sort of parental consent would be cool. At the very least all schools need to teach about things like energy drinks, eating healthy, and how to not die. Like, not only is it really easy to just eat crappy food because you need it quick, but crappy food tends to be addicting (to a degree). And the more bad food and drink you can take away from kids the better because kids are straight up dumb; they NEED guidance, otherwise they may very well carry shitty eating habits for a long time. Kids don't give a crap if something is bad for them or whatever, they just want to taste delicious fewd.
EDIT: To address the guy above me, who has a really good point, just a bit: it's always hard to draw the line on issues concerning food bans (this isn't really a ban, it's just an age restriction) and the like. There are so many crappy drinks out there and you can't really tell parents that their kids can only drink ___ until age ___. However, you can say things like, "thou shan't consumeth any drink that containeth over ___ amount of caffeine/sugar until the age of ___."
It is idiotic to regulate everything. If they consume energy drinks in such a huge ammount that it is unhealthy it is their fault and they deserve what they get, I call this natural selection.
Of course it is unhealthy if you drink them every day or consume large quantities at once, but you are responsible for yourself so you have to live with the concequences. Energy drinks are not severly mind altering as drugs so there is less danger in hurting other people so I see no reson to regulate them.
On November 10 2012 20:14 PrinceXizor wrote: in US energy drinks are definitely not half the price of regular soda, our soda is super super cheaply made, some of it is cheaper than buying water. if i want to buy a liter of monster i have to pay triple what i would pay for a liter of cola.
EDIT: actually it's far more than triple.
Yup this is true. I can buy a 2 liter at my store for 84 cents. An energy drink costs like 1.79 or something (I haven't looked at the price of those in a long time lol).
Also lol at banning it till you are 16 to buy an energy drink oh lord lol.
On November 10 2012 20:14 PrinceXizor wrote: in US energy drinks are definitely not half the price of regular soda, our soda is super super cheaply made, some of it is cheaper than buying water. if i want to buy a liter of monster i have to pay triple what i would pay for a liter of cola.
EDIT: actually it's far more than triple.
Yup this is true. I can buy a 2 liter at my store for 84 cents. An energy drink costs like 1.79 or something (I haven't looked at the price of those in a long time lol).
Also lol at banning it till you are 16 to buy an energy drink oh lord lol.
Worst part is I can see it happening. Too bad they are never gonna ban nuggets at mcdonalds, ate 40 of them once and nearly went blind.
On November 10 2012 20:14 PrinceXizor wrote: in US energy drinks are definitely not half the price of regular soda, our soda is super super cheaply made, some of it is cheaper than buying water. if i want to buy a liter of monster i have to pay triple what i would pay for a liter of cola.
EDIT: actually it's far more than triple.
Yup this is true. I can buy a 2 liter at my store for 84 cents. An energy drink costs like 1.79 or something (I haven't looked at the price of those in a long time lol).
Also lol at banning it till you are 16 to buy an energy drink oh lord lol.
Worst part is I can see it happening. Too bad they are never gonna ban nuggets at mcdonalds, ate 40 of them once and nearly went blind.
I can see the issue with these energy drinks, but what is up with the nuggets @ golden gull restaurant?
On November 10 2012 20:14 PrinceXizor wrote: in US energy drinks are definitely not half the price of regular soda, our soda is super super cheaply made, some of it is cheaper than buying water. if i want to buy a liter of monster i have to pay triple what i would pay for a liter of cola.
EDIT: actually it's far more than triple.
Yup this is true. I can buy a 2 liter at my store for 84 cents. An energy drink costs like 1.79 or something (I haven't looked at the price of those in a long time lol).
Also lol at banning it till you are 16 to buy an energy drink oh lord lol.
It all depends on what brand you buy. Sure if I go to a store here and buy Red Bull it's the same price or even more expensive then Coca Cola. But there's also the cheap brands that literally cost almost nothing and contains the same stuff as Red Bull.
On November 10 2012 20:14 PrinceXizor wrote: in US energy drinks are definitely not half the price of regular soda, our soda is super super cheaply made, some of it is cheaper than buying water. if i want to buy a liter of monster i have to pay triple what i would pay for a liter of cola.
EDIT: actually it's far more than triple.
Yup this is true. I can buy a 2 liter at my store for 84 cents. An energy drink costs like 1.79 or something (I haven't looked at the price of those in a long time lol).
Also lol at banning it till you are 16 to buy an energy drink oh lord lol.
It all depends on what brand you buy. Sure if I go to a store here and buy Red Bull it's the same price or even more expensive then Coca Cola. But there's also the cheap brands that literally cost almost nothing and contains the same stuff as Red Bull.
Yeah, those Euro Shopper cans goes for like 4-5 SEK here while the same size Red Bull cost 20 SEK. Not sure what those big Monster cans goes for here tho.
On November 11 2012 19:00 Holy_AT wrote: It is idiotic to regulate everything. If they consume energy drinks in such a huge ammount that it is unhealthy it is their fault and they deserve what they get, I call this natural selection.
Of course it is unhealthy if you drink them every day or consume large quantities at once, but you are responsible for yourself so you have to live with the concequences. Energy drinks are not severly mind altering as drugs so there is less danger in hurting other people so I see no reson to regulate them.
Of course you can't regulate everything, but it's the same as how blizz is balancing SCII; you've gotta balance some according to the metagame, dawg. If tons of kids are drinking too many energy drinks and fucking with their bodies because they don't know better then they should probably be helped them out somehow, not told "NATURAL SELECTION CYU LATER." That's a pretty callous way to view people. We're talking about kids -- teenagers, not 21 year old jackasses who dropped out of highschool because they couldn't spell "healthy."
Also, parents are responsible for their kids. It's certainly true that kids' actions affect them and they have to live with them for the rest of their lives, but parents are also responsible and have a... duty? to look after their kids because KIDS ARE STUPID! They need older people that birthed them who are slightly less stupid to help them survive and learn how to eat properly.
OK to settle the cost question: I've lived in the netherlands and the US and when I was in the NL I would buy energy drinks instead of soda because it was cheaper. There were tasty and affordable off-brand versions. BUT in the states, energy drinks are much much pricier, and the generic options are almost non-existant.
As for my opinion on the issue, if we regulate against the abusers we hurt the reasonable users, and people should be more self-reliant and controlled.
Welcome to 21st century?Let them addict and waste themselves as much as they want, they are doing it for their parent's money, not our busines and not our kids.
Well energy drinks actually can be energy-less. I've seen some (not the cheapest ones) that actually had 0 energetic value. The point of energy drinks is in caffeine and taurine that stimulates your metabolism in a way that it blocks nor-adrenaline from removing adrenaline from your body (naturally, when something excites you, your body pumps adrenaline in your blood, but it slowly gets removed by nor-adrenaline). This quite often explains why some people can have a coffee and then go to sleep. Because they didn't get excited by anything and didn't get any adrenaline in their blood.
Basically, adrenaline makes your body go on 'overheat', giving you better performance, because it is naturally used when you're in a situation when you might lose your life or are under stress. It should give you that extra edge to survive, and AFAIK it can give you up to approx 30% extra performance (this number might not be correct, but you get the point). The problem is, it is not really healthy to keep your body going on overdrive for too long, as it may hurt it in the long run.
On November 11 2012 19:43 theKOT wrote: OK to settle the cost question: I've lived in the netherlands and the US and when I was in the NL I would buy energy drinks instead of soda because it was cheaper. There were tasty and affordable off-brand versions. BUT in the states, energy drinks are much much pricier, and the generic options are almost non-existant.
As for my opinion on the issue, if we regulate against the abusers we hurt the reasonable users, and people should be more self-reliant and controlled.
No it's not. Energy drinks are per liter certainly more expensive than soda in Holland. Of course you'll have to compare no-brand to no-brand vice versa.
Example: here we see 6 liter of no-brand energy drink costing 1 euro and 16 cents a liter.
In the same webshop you can buy no brand soda for 1 euro and you even get 1.5 liter.
Teens binging on energy drinks Some Finnish kids are chugging up to a dozen energy drinks a day to get "buzzed."
Darwin award
The city of Lahti and the Finnish Parents’ League have joined forces to forbid people younger than 16 from buying the drinks often loaded with sugar and caffeine.
Ive been told i needed ID to buy them here (or follow some stupid look-over-21 rule to buy even a single energy drink)
I don't mind banning energy drinks from teens younger than 15-16, but only if they also ban things like coffee and caffeine pills too. They have the same effect than energy drinks. Perhaps just less available at schools.
On November 11 2012 19:43 theKOT wrote: OK to settle the cost question: I've lived in the netherlands and the US and when I was in the NL I would buy energy drinks instead of soda because it was cheaper. There were tasty and affordable off-brand versions. BUT in the states, energy drinks are much much pricier, and the generic options are almost non-existant.
As for my opinion on the issue, if we regulate against the abusers we hurt the reasonable users, and people should be more self-reliant and controlled.
No it's not. Energy drinks are per liter certainly more expensive than soda in Holland. Of course you'll have to compare no-brand to no-brand vice versa.
Example: here we see 6 liter of no-brand energy drink costing 1 euro and 16 cents a liter.
In the same webshop you can buy no brand soda for 1 euro and you even get 1.5 liter.
You are right, my memory was off. In can form, energy drinks were cheaper, though. Which may explain my memory. Anyway, kids wouldn't be lugging around 1.5 liters, I don't think.
On November 11 2012 20:55 Greentellon wrote: I don't mind banning energy drinks from teens younger than 15-16, but only if they also ban things like coffee and caffeine pills too. They have the same effect than energy drinks. Perhaps just less available at schools.
Banning is going to far, they should just make them put a label on them saying do not consume more than 1 liter a day or something like that because it's a safety risk, If 16 and younger couldn't drink energy drinks they would lose way to much business and it would be a huge hassle to carry them in stores.
Anyway, kids wouldn't be lugging around 1.5 liters, I don't think.
It said up to a dozen energy drinks a day.
I wouldnt be suprised if they were - IIRC a can of monster or redbull has about the same caffeine content even though redbull has a lot lower volume per can etc, and i know plenty of people who have drank 6-10+ in a night.
It seems to me only a minority of people are getting effected by energy drinks, so it probably doesn't pose that much of an issue. If it gets to the extent where children are dropping dead or it's triggering heart disorders, then something should be done, however I haven't really seen to much evidence for it to become a wide escalated problem.
For me personally, I don't drink the stuff because I have a possible heart disorder, and I try to avoid anything caffeine related.
Anyway, kids wouldn't be lugging around 1.5 liters, I don't think.
It said up to a dozen energy drinks a day.
I wouldnt be suprised if they were - IIRC a can of monster or redbull has about the same caffeine content even though redbull has a lot lower volume per can etc, and i know plenty of people who have drank 6-10+ in a night.
I had assumed they were buying the cans individually. I can't imagine carrying 16 cans around school with you, but I guess I can't imagine drinking 16 in a day, either. I guess books can be pretty heavy too.
At a store near my old house in the US (Florida), they had no-name brand energy drinks for 50-70 cents for a 16oz. They tasted really sweet and they kind of burned your tongue if you drank more than one at a time. The most i've ever drank in one sitting was like three at a house LAN once, and I got a huge rush that sucked and made me jittery and threw off my aim, so I don't drink more than one at a time now, and sparingly.
The kids that do this are probably the same ones that would do anything that they could get their hands on to get fucked up, banning all kids from buying them probably isn't the answer. As other people have said, education is much better than prohibition / age restriction.
lol Energy drinks are way overprized, bad for your organism, heart, blood circulation and last but not least TEETH
You can also end up dying from the high blood pressure and especially if u have heart issues, or even if you are just sensitive and generally have high blood pressure, then 3 - 5 can a day might already become dangerous for u
Anyway, kids wouldn't be lugging around 1.5 liters, I don't think.
It said up to a dozen energy drinks a day.
I wouldnt be suprised if they were - IIRC a can of monster or redbull has about the same caffeine content even though redbull has a lot lower volume per can etc, and i know plenty of people who have drank 6-10+ in a night.
I had assumed they were buying the cans individually. I can't imagine carrying 16 cans around school with you, but I guess I can't imagine drinking 16 in a day, either. I guess books can be pretty heavy too.
16x500ml cans (~8kg) is not all too much to carry, and you wouldnt have to carry it the whole day.
On November 11 2012 20:33 freestalker wrote: Well energy drinks actually can be energy-less. I've seen some (not the cheapest ones) that actually had 0 energetic value. The point of energy drinks is in caffeine and taurine that stimulates your metabolism in a way that it blocks nor-adrenaline from removing adrenaline from your body (naturally, when something excites you, your body pumps adrenaline in your blood, but it slowly gets removed by nor-adrenaline). This quite often explains why some people can have a coffee and then go to sleep. Because they didn't get excited by anything and didn't get any adrenaline in their blood.
Basically, adrenaline makes your body go on 'overheat', giving you better performance, because it is naturally used when you're in a situation when you might lose your life or are under stress. It should give you that extra edge to survive, and AFAIK it can give you up to approx 30% extra performance (this number might not be correct, but you get the point). The problem is, it is not really healthy to keep your body going on overdrive for too long, as it may hurt it in the long run.
it is not an energy drink problem, it is a responsibility problem. here's an analogy - not allowing kids to drink energy drinks is like taking advil for a headache, whereas teaching them to behave responsibly is like never having gotten too drunk in the first place.
Don't a lot of energy drinks (at least in the U.S.) have a label stating specifically that if you drink more than three in a day it could be hazardous to your health?
Energy drinks are absolutely terrible for you. Talk about something with no redeeming qualities! I tend to stay away from them, and coffee, because I don't want to become reliant on caffeine to get me through the day. Of course if I'm absolutely exhausted I'm not opposed to having a cup of coffee or half of a monster. But ten in a day? I'm pretty sure my heart would explode.
Energy drinks are so loaded with useless vitamins and chemicals that these kids are probably doing serious harm to their bodies. Honestly I can't imagine what someone younger than 16 could need an energy drink for. It's not like they're up all night doing homework or anything.
I agree with most of the statements in this thread about education. If they ban energy drinks it would be just like alcohol. Kids would still get their hands on it, and still abuse it. But if they're educated then perhaps they'll make better decisions.
Yeah! kids now-a-days! when I was 15 (now more than a decade ago T-T) I just drank beer and liquor and smoked weed. I can't believe how messed up this world has gotten -_-
Honestly kids will be stupid, if it isn't energy drinks, they'll be sniffing shit or sucking on those whipped cream cans to kill brain cells and feel the "buzz." Education, personal or parental, is the only way to deal with these kinds of issues. Laws are an obstacle, not a deterrent; only education can deter.
I can buy a crate(30?) energy drinks 0,33l for about 12 euro's. Golden power from Aldi.(wich is actually quit expensive if I count it back to 1.5l for a cola thats about 2 euro's?) It's still cheaper than a Cola can, not the 1.5l bottle.
But it seams you all missing the point. No one cares if you as an adult drink that stuff. Mostly kids don't drink coffee so it wasn't a problem, but now with energy drink(you don't need a damn coffee maker) is easy accessible and cheap which makes it a problem.
Best solution is an age restriction on it and also coffee if we're at it and all other caffeine holding drinks and food.
IMO I don't see energy drinks as such a bad thing. If you chug 2 liter cola or 4 liter a day then I think you'll have big problem too. You can't say I ate 15 kilo of broccoli and now I'm sick, means broccoli is bad. Pro tip: Too much of everything is bad mkay.
And don't count on parents to do shit. It's because of bad parenting this shit is happening. That's why your government is baby sitting your kids. It's your fault as a parent not that kids fault. If you'd spent time with that little brat of yours he would probably respect your ass more.
Question: What about if you have normally pretty low blood pressure. Is getting caffeine a good way to crank that shit up?
On November 10 2012 20:14 PrinceXizor wrote: in US energy drinks are definitely not half the price of regular soda, our soda is super super cheaply made, some of it is cheaper than buying water. if i want to buy a liter of monster i have to pay triple what i would pay for a liter of cola.
EDIT: actually it's far more than triple.
Yup this is true. I can buy a 2 liter at my store for 84 cents. An energy drink costs like 1.79 or something (I haven't looked at the price of those in a long time lol).
Also lol at banning it till you are 16 to buy an energy drink oh lord lol.
Worst part is I can see it happening. Too bad they are never gonna ban nuggets at mcdonalds, ate 40 of them once and nearly went blind.
I can see the issue with these energy drinks, but what is up with the nuggets @ golden gull restaurant?
My point is people wanna ban energy drinks but not nuggets at maccas.
Also nice name, Ima use it from now on for the lulz :D
On November 10 2012 20:21 rewired wrote: Dunno but in Canada (BC at least) you cant even have the things anywhere near a school and kids are taught the problems they can cause in health classes.
However another thing is, cheaper than regular soda my ass 471ml monster $3.99 591ml Pepsi $1.89
I'm going to Finland to stock up on Nos if thats the case
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