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On October 15 2012 05:40 lodeet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 05:25 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 05:23 lodeet wrote:On October 15 2012 05:12 Stutters695 wrote:On October 15 2012 04:52 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
So this man had every intention of killing anyone that entered his home. He's an officer, so he has the know-how to apprehend without using deadly force... Not to mention you're not supposed to go for killshots unless your life is threatened. Certainly you'd feel threatened if a stranger were in your home. But to kill him? Immediately? Don't people shoot at the knees anymore? It isn't as simple as having the know-how. Seeing as he had retired it wasn't like he was carrying nonlethal weapons. Of course you'd like to think a cop would be level headed enough to inform the intruder he was armed and demand he identify himself but that's not as simple as it sounds. Although I am pro gun control I think this exemplifies the need for family training on having a gun in the household. My ex had a dad who owned a few guns and lived in a pretty sketchy neighborhood. Anytime someone came over late (parents asleep) her and her sister were told to use the front door and turn on the hallway light as soon as they got in. Although it seems controlling to a certain extent, if a family is prone to pull a gun on a robber, a discussion and simple protocols could easily prevent so many accidental shootings without infringing on gun owners rights in a way like lessening castle doctrine would. These accidents are so unnecessary it's sad. This is why I don't care to own a gun, because they are fucking dangerous. I have shot many different types of hand guns and rifles and I can respect the power and devastation of the weapon. You cannot trust people to be responsible with guns it will just never happen and the current laws gives anyone an excuse to fire on an intruder. I don't necessarily have an issue with being able to protect yourself in your own home, but most people that I meet that like to own guns make it a point that they wish someone would break in just for an excuse to kill. I think it's sick and from my experience it's a mentality the majority of people I know have. That's completely bullshit. The only people who think like that are either mentally retarded are immature teenagers. If that is really the case you should stop socializing with such stupid . and it's I don't socialize with stupid people. I believe you are the ignorant one here. It's simply an anger thing. People want others to feel their pain. When they are fucked they want to fuck someone else in return. It's a vicious cycle. Of course everyone doesn't think this way but it's extremely prevelant mindset in the low-middle class who are the majority of the population. You can't call bullshit on this from looking down from Canada. I think I have a much better understanding of what goes on in my country. I have lived in the cities in the suburbs and the boondocks and find the same thing no matter where I go. Different people with different mindsets, but still the desire to hurt someone else.
I lived in new orleans for 6 years, and currently in los angeles for the past 8. Which equates the entirety of my adult life.
On October 15 2012 05:23 lodeet wrote:
This is why I don't care to own a gun, because they are fucking dangerous. I have shot many different types of hand guns and rifles and I can respect the power and devastation of the weapon. You cannot trust people to be responsible with guns it will just never happen and the current laws gives anyone an excuse to fire on an intruder. I don't necessarily have an issue with being able to protect yourself in your own home, but most people that I meet that like to own guns make it a point that they wish someone would break in just for an excuse to kill. I think it's sick and from my experience it's a mentality the majority of people I know have.
Your own statement is what leads me to believe the "majority of people you know" (as you put it) are mentally incapable of owning a firearm in a mature and safe fashion.
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I think its funny how people randomly pull out the " they watch to much Fox News" card. As if every other media outlet is totaly 100% unbiased. There's as much anti gun propoganda from the Liberal media as there is pro gun from the conservative.
But I guess when in doubt blame only 20% of the problem not the whole 100%. Because CBS, NBC, ABC, and CNN are SOOOOOOOO saintly they should be blessed by the Pope.
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On October 15 2012 05:45 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 05:40 lodeet wrote:On October 15 2012 05:25 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 05:23 lodeet wrote:On October 15 2012 05:12 Stutters695 wrote:On October 15 2012 04:52 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
So this man had every intention of killing anyone that entered his home. He's an officer, so he has the know-how to apprehend without using deadly force... Not to mention you're not supposed to go for killshots unless your life is threatened. Certainly you'd feel threatened if a stranger were in your home. But to kill him? Immediately? Don't people shoot at the knees anymore? It isn't as simple as having the know-how. Seeing as he had retired it wasn't like he was carrying nonlethal weapons. Of course you'd like to think a cop would be level headed enough to inform the intruder he was armed and demand he identify himself but that's not as simple as it sounds. Although I am pro gun control I think this exemplifies the need for family training on having a gun in the household. My ex had a dad who owned a few guns and lived in a pretty sketchy neighborhood. Anytime someone came over late (parents asleep) her and her sister were told to use the front door and turn on the hallway light as soon as they got in. Although it seems controlling to a certain extent, if a family is prone to pull a gun on a robber, a discussion and simple protocols could easily prevent so many accidental shootings without infringing on gun owners rights in a way like lessening castle doctrine would. These accidents are so unnecessary it's sad. This is why I don't care to own a gun, because they are fucking dangerous. I have shot many different types of hand guns and rifles and I can respect the power and devastation of the weapon. You cannot trust people to be responsible with guns it will just never happen and the current laws gives anyone an excuse to fire on an intruder. I don't necessarily have an issue with being able to protect yourself in your own home, but most people that I meet that like to own guns make it a point that they wish someone would break in just for an excuse to kill. I think it's sick and from my experience it's a mentality the majority of people I know have. That's completely bullshit. The only people who think like that are either mentally retarded are immature teenagers. If that is really the case you should stop socializing with such stupid . and it's I don't socialize with stupid people. I believe you are the ignorant one here. It's simply an anger thing. People want others to feel their pain. When they are fucked they want to fuck someone else in return. It's a vicious cycle. Of course everyone doesn't think this way but it's extremely prevelant mindset in the low-middle class who are the majority of the population. You can't call bullshit on this from looking down from Canada. I think I have a much better understanding of what goes on in my country. I have lived in the cities in the suburbs and the boondocks and find the same thing no matter where I go. Different people with different mindsets, but still the desire to hurt someone else. I lived in new orleans for 6 years, and currently in los angeles for the past 8. Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 05:23 lodeet wrote:
This is why I don't care to own a gun, because they are fucking dangerous. I have shot many different types of hand guns and rifles and I can respect the power and devastation of the weapon. You cannot trust people to be responsible with guns it will just never happen and the current laws gives anyone an excuse to fire on an intruder. I don't necessarily have an issue with being able to protect yourself in your own home, but most people that I meet that like to own guns make it a point that they wish someone would break in just for an excuse to kill. I think it's sick and from my experience it's a mentality the majority of people I know have. Your own statement is what leads me to believe the "majority of people you know" (as you put it) are mentally incapable of owning a firearm in a mature and safe way.
Yes it's true and I don't understand why you try to argue as I said people I KNOW and have met. All I am saying the majority of people I have met in my life are ignorant fucks doing the same stupid shit which leaves me to believe, based on my experiences, that the majority of the populace falls under the same category. And it is not secret that this is true. While that doesn't mean they are all out to kill each other. It just means most people aren't logical thinkers and are bound to be completely irrational. They can be mentally capable of owning and controling a firearm, but not smart enough to set proper procedures and set certain constraints in place to prevent accidents. Just because they will justify some excuse in their head as why a certain scenario wouldn't happen or how they would potentially prevent it. People don't set up enough safe guards probably because of ego and other dumb shit I cannot fathom.
Regardless though if you still think people don't use self defense as an excuse to kill someone I think you are very sheltered. Whether majority or not it's still a lot of people.
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On October 15 2012 04:52 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
So this man had every intention of killing anyone that entered his home. He's an officer, so he has the know-how to apprehend without using deadly force... Not to mention you're not supposed to go for killshots unless your life is threatened. Certainly you'd feel threatened if a stranger were in your home. But to kill him? Immediately? Don't people shoot at the knees anymore?
Why in the world would you shoot the first thing you saw in the knees? Theres no way that's a rational thought when someone has a gun and is scared. What happened to point the gun at them and inform them you have one? If they have a gun and they point it at you, that sounds like a pretty reasonable excuse to fire to kill.
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On October 15 2012 06:05 lodeet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 05:45 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 05:40 lodeet wrote:On October 15 2012 05:25 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 05:23 lodeet wrote:On October 15 2012 05:12 Stutters695 wrote:On October 15 2012 04:52 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
So this man had every intention of killing anyone that entered his home. He's an officer, so he has the know-how to apprehend without using deadly force... Not to mention you're not supposed to go for killshots unless your life is threatened. Certainly you'd feel threatened if a stranger were in your home. But to kill him? Immediately? Don't people shoot at the knees anymore? It isn't as simple as having the know-how. Seeing as he had retired it wasn't like he was carrying nonlethal weapons. Of course you'd like to think a cop would be level headed enough to inform the intruder he was armed and demand he identify himself but that's not as simple as it sounds. Although I am pro gun control I think this exemplifies the need for family training on having a gun in the household. My ex had a dad who owned a few guns and lived in a pretty sketchy neighborhood. Anytime someone came over late (parents asleep) her and her sister were told to use the front door and turn on the hallway light as soon as they got in. Although it seems controlling to a certain extent, if a family is prone to pull a gun on a robber, a discussion and simple protocols could easily prevent so many accidental shootings without infringing on gun owners rights in a way like lessening castle doctrine would. These accidents are so unnecessary it's sad. This is why I don't care to own a gun, because they are fucking dangerous. I have shot many different types of hand guns and rifles and I can respect the power and devastation of the weapon. You cannot trust people to be responsible with guns it will just never happen and the current laws gives anyone an excuse to fire on an intruder. I don't necessarily have an issue with being able to protect yourself in your own home, but most people that I meet that like to own guns make it a point that they wish someone would break in just for an excuse to kill. I think it's sick and from my experience it's a mentality the majority of people I know have. That's completely bullshit. The only people who think like that are either mentally retarded are immature teenagers. If that is really the case you should stop socializing with such stupid . and it's I don't socialize with stupid people. I believe you are the ignorant one here. It's simply an anger thing. People want others to feel their pain. When they are fucked they want to fuck someone else in return. It's a vicious cycle. Of course everyone doesn't think this way but it's extremely prevelant mindset in the low-middle class who are the majority of the population. You can't call bullshit on this from looking down from Canada. I think I have a much better understanding of what goes on in my country. I have lived in the cities in the suburbs and the boondocks and find the same thing no matter where I go. Different people with different mindsets, but still the desire to hurt someone else. I lived in new orleans for 6 years, and currently in los angeles for the past 8. On October 15 2012 05:23 lodeet wrote:
This is why I don't care to own a gun, because they are fucking dangerous. I have shot many different types of hand guns and rifles and I can respect the power and devastation of the weapon. You cannot trust people to be responsible with guns it will just never happen and the current laws gives anyone an excuse to fire on an intruder. I don't necessarily have an issue with being able to protect yourself in your own home, but most people that I meet that like to own guns make it a point that they wish someone would break in just for an excuse to kill. I think it's sick and from my experience it's a mentality the majority of people I know have. Your own statement is what leads me to believe the "majority of people you know" (as you put it) are mentally incapable of owning a firearm in a mature and safe way. Yes it's true and I don't understand why you try to argue as I said people I KNOW and have met. All I am saying the majority of people I have met in my life are ignorant fucks doing the same stupid shit which leaves me to believe, based on my experiences, that the majority of the populace falls under the same category. And it is not secret that this is true. While that doesn't mean they are all out to kill each other. It just means most people aren't logical thinkers and are bound to be completely irrational. They can be mentally capable of owning and controling a firearm, but not smart enough to set proper procedures and set certain constraints in place to prevent accidents. Just because they will justify some excuse in their head as why a certain scenario wouldn't happen or how they would potentially prevent it. People don't set up enough safe guards probably because of ego and other dumb shit I cannot fathom. Regardless though if you still think people don't use self defense as an excuse to kill someone I think you are very sheltered. Whether majority or not it's still a lot of people.
Yes, I'm very sheltered because I think it's a ridiculous notion to believe most people who own guns are waiting for an excuse to use it to kill someone. Lol........
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On October 15 2012 06:16 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 06:05 lodeet wrote:On October 15 2012 05:45 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 05:40 lodeet wrote:On October 15 2012 05:25 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 05:23 lodeet wrote:On October 15 2012 05:12 Stutters695 wrote:On October 15 2012 04:52 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
So this man had every intention of killing anyone that entered his home. He's an officer, so he has the know-how to apprehend without using deadly force... Not to mention you're not supposed to go for killshots unless your life is threatened. Certainly you'd feel threatened if a stranger were in your home. But to kill him? Immediately? Don't people shoot at the knees anymore? It isn't as simple as having the know-how. Seeing as he had retired it wasn't like he was carrying nonlethal weapons. Of course you'd like to think a cop would be level headed enough to inform the intruder he was armed and demand he identify himself but that's not as simple as it sounds. Although I am pro gun control I think this exemplifies the need for family training on having a gun in the household. My ex had a dad who owned a few guns and lived in a pretty sketchy neighborhood. Anytime someone came over late (parents asleep) her and her sister were told to use the front door and turn on the hallway light as soon as they got in. Although it seems controlling to a certain extent, if a family is prone to pull a gun on a robber, a discussion and simple protocols could easily prevent so many accidental shootings without infringing on gun owners rights in a way like lessening castle doctrine would. These accidents are so unnecessary it's sad. This is why I don't care to own a gun, because they are fucking dangerous. I have shot many different types of hand guns and rifles and I can respect the power and devastation of the weapon. You cannot trust people to be responsible with guns it will just never happen and the current laws gives anyone an excuse to fire on an intruder. I don't necessarily have an issue with being able to protect yourself in your own home, but most people that I meet that like to own guns make it a point that they wish someone would break in just for an excuse to kill. I think it's sick and from my experience it's a mentality the majority of people I know have. That's completely bullshit. The only people who think like that are either mentally retarded are immature teenagers. If that is really the case you should stop socializing with such stupid . and it's I don't socialize with stupid people. I believe you are the ignorant one here. It's simply an anger thing. People want others to feel their pain. When they are fucked they want to fuck someone else in return. It's a vicious cycle. Of course everyone doesn't think this way but it's extremely prevelant mindset in the low-middle class who are the majority of the population. You can't call bullshit on this from looking down from Canada. I think I have a much better understanding of what goes on in my country. I have lived in the cities in the suburbs and the boondocks and find the same thing no matter where I go. Different people with different mindsets, but still the desire to hurt someone else. I lived in new orleans for 6 years, and currently in los angeles for the past 8. On October 15 2012 05:23 lodeet wrote:
This is why I don't care to own a gun, because they are fucking dangerous. I have shot many different types of hand guns and rifles and I can respect the power and devastation of the weapon. You cannot trust people to be responsible with guns it will just never happen and the current laws gives anyone an excuse to fire on an intruder. I don't necessarily have an issue with being able to protect yourself in your own home, but most people that I meet that like to own guns make it a point that they wish someone would break in just for an excuse to kill. I think it's sick and from my experience it's a mentality the majority of people I know have. Your own statement is what leads me to believe the "majority of people you know" (as you put it) are mentally incapable of owning a firearm in a mature and safe way. Yes it's true and I don't understand why you try to argue as I said people I KNOW and have met. All I am saying the majority of people I have met in my life are ignorant fucks doing the same stupid shit which leaves me to believe, based on my experiences, that the majority of the populace falls under the same category. And it is not secret that this is true. While that doesn't mean they are all out to kill each other. It just means most people aren't logical thinkers and are bound to be completely irrational. They can be mentally capable of owning and controling a firearm, but not smart enough to set proper procedures and set certain constraints in place to prevent accidents. Just because they will justify some excuse in their head as why a certain scenario wouldn't happen or how they would potentially prevent it. People don't set up enough safe guards probably because of ego and other dumb shit I cannot fathom. Regardless though if you still think people don't use self defense as an excuse to kill someone I think you are very sheltered. Whether majority or not it's still a lot of people. Yes, I'm very sheltered because I think it's a ridiculous notion to believe most people who own guns are waiting for an excuse to use it to kill someone. Lol........
On October 15 2012 05:29 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 05:25 Slardar wrote:
Honestly what is the purpose of a fucking gun if you just shoot someone in the head? You have someone at gun point in the dark, you don't say "HANDS UP" OR at least threaten "MOVE ANOTHER INCH AND I'LL CAP YOUR ASS"?
This shit is inconceivably retarded that I would say it's a murder case. A trained cop just does that? The purpose of a gun is to kill and that is all. How is that so hard to understand? Are the youth so brainwashed by media that they think a gun can be precisely aimed to disarm without sacrificing your safety in such a situation? Get with reality you use a gun to kill.
You know it's often a good idea to re-evaluate your viewpoint when you end up arguing against yourself.
Here are your points
1. The purpose of a gun is to kill (not to wound)
2. People should own guns
3. People who own guns don't plan on killing people
What
The
Fuck
I mean seriously, any argument for gun ownership based on the 'self defense' line of thinking is preceded by the willingness to kill.
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On October 15 2012 06:32 Jormundr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 06:16 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 06:05 lodeet wrote:On October 15 2012 05:45 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 05:40 lodeet wrote:On October 15 2012 05:25 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 05:23 lodeet wrote:On October 15 2012 05:12 Stutters695 wrote:On October 15 2012 04:52 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
So this man had every intention of killing anyone that entered his home. He's an officer, so he has the know-how to apprehend without using deadly force... Not to mention you're not supposed to go for killshots unless your life is threatened. Certainly you'd feel threatened if a stranger were in your home. But to kill him? Immediately? Don't people shoot at the knees anymore? It isn't as simple as having the know-how. Seeing as he had retired it wasn't like he was carrying nonlethal weapons. Of course you'd like to think a cop would be level headed enough to inform the intruder he was armed and demand he identify himself but that's not as simple as it sounds. Although I am pro gun control I think this exemplifies the need for family training on having a gun in the household. My ex had a dad who owned a few guns and lived in a pretty sketchy neighborhood. Anytime someone came over late (parents asleep) her and her sister were told to use the front door and turn on the hallway light as soon as they got in. Although it seems controlling to a certain extent, if a family is prone to pull a gun on a robber, a discussion and simple protocols could easily prevent so many accidental shootings without infringing on gun owners rights in a way like lessening castle doctrine would. These accidents are so unnecessary it's sad. This is why I don't care to own a gun, because they are fucking dangerous. I have shot many different types of hand guns and rifles and I can respect the power and devastation of the weapon. You cannot trust people to be responsible with guns it will just never happen and the current laws gives anyone an excuse to fire on an intruder. I don't necessarily have an issue with being able to protect yourself in your own home, but most people that I meet that like to own guns make it a point that they wish someone would break in just for an excuse to kill. I think it's sick and from my experience it's a mentality the majority of people I know have. That's completely bullshit. The only people who think like that are either mentally retarded are immature teenagers. If that is really the case you should stop socializing with such stupid . and it's I don't socialize with stupid people. I believe you are the ignorant one here. It's simply an anger thing. People want others to feel their pain. When they are fucked they want to fuck someone else in return. It's a vicious cycle. Of course everyone doesn't think this way but it's extremely prevelant mindset in the low-middle class who are the majority of the population. You can't call bullshit on this from looking down from Canada. I think I have a much better understanding of what goes on in my country. I have lived in the cities in the suburbs and the boondocks and find the same thing no matter where I go. Different people with different mindsets, but still the desire to hurt someone else. I lived in new orleans for 6 years, and currently in los angeles for the past 8. On October 15 2012 05:23 lodeet wrote:
This is why I don't care to own a gun, because they are fucking dangerous. I have shot many different types of hand guns and rifles and I can respect the power and devastation of the weapon. You cannot trust people to be responsible with guns it will just never happen and the current laws gives anyone an excuse to fire on an intruder. I don't necessarily have an issue with being able to protect yourself in your own home, but most people that I meet that like to own guns make it a point that they wish someone would break in just for an excuse to kill. I think it's sick and from my experience it's a mentality the majority of people I know have. Your own statement is what leads me to believe the "majority of people you know" (as you put it) are mentally incapable of owning a firearm in a mature and safe way. Yes it's true and I don't understand why you try to argue as I said people I KNOW and have met. All I am saying the majority of people I have met in my life are ignorant fucks doing the same stupid shit which leaves me to believe, based on my experiences, that the majority of the populace falls under the same category. And it is not secret that this is true. While that doesn't mean they are all out to kill each other. It just means most people aren't logical thinkers and are bound to be completely irrational. They can be mentally capable of owning and controling a firearm, but not smart enough to set proper procedures and set certain constraints in place to prevent accidents. Just because they will justify some excuse in their head as why a certain scenario wouldn't happen or how they would potentially prevent it. People don't set up enough safe guards probably because of ego and other dumb shit I cannot fathom. Regardless though if you still think people don't use self defense as an excuse to kill someone I think you are very sheltered. Whether majority or not it's still a lot of people. Yes, I'm very sheltered because I think it's a ridiculous notion to believe most people who own guns are waiting for an excuse to use it to kill someone. Lol........ Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 05:29 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 05:25 Slardar wrote:
Honestly what is the purpose of a fucking gun if you just shoot someone in the head? You have someone at gun point in the dark, you don't say "HANDS UP" OR at least threaten "MOVE ANOTHER INCH AND I'LL CAP YOUR ASS"?
This shit is inconceivably retarded that I would say it's a murder case. A trained cop just does that? The purpose of a gun is to kill and that is all. How is that so hard to understand? Are the youth so brainwashed by media that they think a gun can be precisely aimed to disarm without sacrificing your safety in such a situation? Get with reality you use a gun to kill. You know it's often a good idea to re-evaluate your viewpoint when you end up arguing against yourself. Here are your points 1. The purpose of a gun is to kill (not to wound) 2. People should own guns 3. People who own guns don't plan on killing people What The Fuck I mean seriously, any argument for gun ownership based on the 'self defense' line of thinking is preceded by the willingness to kill.
Wow, how did that go so far over your head? There is a HUGE difference between wanting to kill someone and defending yourself. If you can't understand that I don't think you have any business in this discussion.
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On October 15 2012 06:32 Jormundr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 06:16 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 06:05 lodeet wrote:On October 15 2012 05:45 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 05:40 lodeet wrote:On October 15 2012 05:25 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 05:23 lodeet wrote:On October 15 2012 05:12 Stutters695 wrote:On October 15 2012 04:52 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
So this man had every intention of killing anyone that entered his home. He's an officer, so he has the know-how to apprehend without using deadly force... Not to mention you're not supposed to go for killshots unless your life is threatened. Certainly you'd feel threatened if a stranger were in your home. But to kill him? Immediately? Don't people shoot at the knees anymore? It isn't as simple as having the know-how. Seeing as he had retired it wasn't like he was carrying nonlethal weapons. Of course you'd like to think a cop would be level headed enough to inform the intruder he was armed and demand he identify himself but that's not as simple as it sounds. Although I am pro gun control I think this exemplifies the need for family training on having a gun in the household. My ex had a dad who owned a few guns and lived in a pretty sketchy neighborhood. Anytime someone came over late (parents asleep) her and her sister were told to use the front door and turn on the hallway light as soon as they got in. Although it seems controlling to a certain extent, if a family is prone to pull a gun on a robber, a discussion and simple protocols could easily prevent so many accidental shootings without infringing on gun owners rights in a way like lessening castle doctrine would. These accidents are so unnecessary it's sad. This is why I don't care to own a gun, because they are fucking dangerous. I have shot many different types of hand guns and rifles and I can respect the power and devastation of the weapon. You cannot trust people to be responsible with guns it will just never happen and the current laws gives anyone an excuse to fire on an intruder. I don't necessarily have an issue with being able to protect yourself in your own home, but most people that I meet that like to own guns make it a point that they wish someone would break in just for an excuse to kill. I think it's sick and from my experience it's a mentality the majority of people I know have. That's completely bullshit. The only people who think like that are either mentally retarded are immature teenagers. If that is really the case you should stop socializing with such stupid . and it's I don't socialize with stupid people. I believe you are the ignorant one here. It's simply an anger thing. People want others to feel their pain. When they are fucked they want to fuck someone else in return. It's a vicious cycle. Of course everyone doesn't think this way but it's extremely prevelant mindset in the low-middle class who are the majority of the population. You can't call bullshit on this from looking down from Canada. I think I have a much better understanding of what goes on in my country. I have lived in the cities in the suburbs and the boondocks and find the same thing no matter where I go. Different people with different mindsets, but still the desire to hurt someone else. I lived in new orleans for 6 years, and currently in los angeles for the past 8. On October 15 2012 05:23 lodeet wrote:
This is why I don't care to own a gun, because they are fucking dangerous. I have shot many different types of hand guns and rifles and I can respect the power and devastation of the weapon. You cannot trust people to be responsible with guns it will just never happen and the current laws gives anyone an excuse to fire on an intruder. I don't necessarily have an issue with being able to protect yourself in your own home, but most people that I meet that like to own guns make it a point that they wish someone would break in just for an excuse to kill. I think it's sick and from my experience it's a mentality the majority of people I know have. Your own statement is what leads me to believe the "majority of people you know" (as you put it) are mentally incapable of owning a firearm in a mature and safe way. Yes it's true and I don't understand why you try to argue as I said people I KNOW and have met. All I am saying the majority of people I have met in my life are ignorant fucks doing the same stupid shit which leaves me to believe, based on my experiences, that the majority of the populace falls under the same category. And it is not secret that this is true. While that doesn't mean they are all out to kill each other. It just means most people aren't logical thinkers and are bound to be completely irrational. They can be mentally capable of owning and controling a firearm, but not smart enough to set proper procedures and set certain constraints in place to prevent accidents. Just because they will justify some excuse in their head as why a certain scenario wouldn't happen or how they would potentially prevent it. People don't set up enough safe guards probably because of ego and other dumb shit I cannot fathom. Regardless though if you still think people don't use self defense as an excuse to kill someone I think you are very sheltered. Whether majority or not it's still a lot of people. Yes, I'm very sheltered because I think it's a ridiculous notion to believe most people who own guns are waiting for an excuse to use it to kill someone. Lol........ Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 05:29 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 05:25 Slardar wrote:
Honestly what is the purpose of a fucking gun if you just shoot someone in the head? You have someone at gun point in the dark, you don't say "HANDS UP" OR at least threaten "MOVE ANOTHER INCH AND I'LL CAP YOUR ASS"?
This shit is inconceivably retarded that I would say it's a murder case. A trained cop just does that? The purpose of a gun is to kill and that is all. How is that so hard to understand? Are the youth so brainwashed by media that they think a gun can be precisely aimed to disarm without sacrificing your safety in such a situation? Get with reality you use a gun to kill. You know it's often a good idea to re-evaluate your viewpoint when you end up arguing against yourself. Here are your points 1. The purpose of a gun is to kill (not to wound) 2. People should own guns 3. People who own guns don't plan on killing people What The Fuck I mean seriously, any argument for gun ownership based on the 'self defense' line of thinking is preceded by the willingness to kill.
Uh? You're criticizing his logic but you're just completely warping his posts. You can be willling to kill someone using your weapon if you feel like your own life is threatened, that doesn't mean you're actually looking forward (or "waiting for an excuse" to reuse the exact words he used) for it to happen.
I'm willing to steal bread from bakeries if my family is starving one day. That doesn't mean I want it to happen.
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On October 15 2012 06:36 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 06:32 Jormundr wrote:On October 15 2012 06:16 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 06:05 lodeet wrote:On October 15 2012 05:45 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 05:40 lodeet wrote:On October 15 2012 05:25 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 05:23 lodeet wrote:On October 15 2012 05:12 Stutters695 wrote:On October 15 2012 04:52 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
So this man had every intention of killing anyone that entered his home. He's an officer, so he has the know-how to apprehend without using deadly force... Not to mention you're not supposed to go for killshots unless your life is threatened. Certainly you'd feel threatened if a stranger were in your home. But to kill him? Immediately? Don't people shoot at the knees anymore? It isn't as simple as having the know-how. Seeing as he had retired it wasn't like he was carrying nonlethal weapons. Of course you'd like to think a cop would be level headed enough to inform the intruder he was armed and demand he identify himself but that's not as simple as it sounds. Although I am pro gun control I think this exemplifies the need for family training on having a gun in the household. My ex had a dad who owned a few guns and lived in a pretty sketchy neighborhood. Anytime someone came over late (parents asleep) her and her sister were told to use the front door and turn on the hallway light as soon as they got in. Although it seems controlling to a certain extent, if a family is prone to pull a gun on a robber, a discussion and simple protocols could easily prevent so many accidental shootings without infringing on gun owners rights in a way like lessening castle doctrine would. These accidents are so unnecessary it's sad. This is why I don't care to own a gun, because they are fucking dangerous. I have shot many different types of hand guns and rifles and I can respect the power and devastation of the weapon. You cannot trust people to be responsible with guns it will just never happen and the current laws gives anyone an excuse to fire on an intruder. I don't necessarily have an issue with being able to protect yourself in your own home, but most people that I meet that like to own guns make it a point that they wish someone would break in just for an excuse to kill. I think it's sick and from my experience it's a mentality the majority of people I know have. That's completely bullshit. The only people who think like that are either mentally retarded are immature teenagers. If that is really the case you should stop socializing with such stupid . and it's I don't socialize with stupid people. I believe you are the ignorant one here. It's simply an anger thing. People want others to feel their pain. When they are fucked they want to fuck someone else in return. It's a vicious cycle. Of course everyone doesn't think this way but it's extremely prevelant mindset in the low-middle class who are the majority of the population. You can't call bullshit on this from looking down from Canada. I think I have a much better understanding of what goes on in my country. I have lived in the cities in the suburbs and the boondocks and find the same thing no matter where I go. Different people with different mindsets, but still the desire to hurt someone else. I lived in new orleans for 6 years, and currently in los angeles for the past 8. On October 15 2012 05:23 lodeet wrote:
This is why I don't care to own a gun, because they are fucking dangerous. I have shot many different types of hand guns and rifles and I can respect the power and devastation of the weapon. You cannot trust people to be responsible with guns it will just never happen and the current laws gives anyone an excuse to fire on an intruder. I don't necessarily have an issue with being able to protect yourself in your own home, but most people that I meet that like to own guns make it a point that they wish someone would break in just for an excuse to kill. I think it's sick and from my experience it's a mentality the majority of people I know have. Your own statement is what leads me to believe the "majority of people you know" (as you put it) are mentally incapable of owning a firearm in a mature and safe way. Yes it's true and I don't understand why you try to argue as I said people I KNOW and have met. All I am saying the majority of people I have met in my life are ignorant fucks doing the same stupid shit which leaves me to believe, based on my experiences, that the majority of the populace falls under the same category. And it is not secret that this is true. While that doesn't mean they are all out to kill each other. It just means most people aren't logical thinkers and are bound to be completely irrational. They can be mentally capable of owning and controling a firearm, but not smart enough to set proper procedures and set certain constraints in place to prevent accidents. Just because they will justify some excuse in their head as why a certain scenario wouldn't happen or how they would potentially prevent it. People don't set up enough safe guards probably because of ego and other dumb shit I cannot fathom. Regardless though if you still think people don't use self defense as an excuse to kill someone I think you are very sheltered. Whether majority or not it's still a lot of people. Yes, I'm very sheltered because I think it's a ridiculous notion to believe most people who own guns are waiting for an excuse to use it to kill someone. Lol........ On October 15 2012 05:29 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 05:25 Slardar wrote:
Honestly what is the purpose of a fucking gun if you just shoot someone in the head? You have someone at gun point in the dark, you don't say "HANDS UP" OR at least threaten "MOVE ANOTHER INCH AND I'LL CAP YOUR ASS"?
This shit is inconceivably retarded that I would say it's a murder case. A trained cop just does that? The purpose of a gun is to kill and that is all. How is that so hard to understand? Are the youth so brainwashed by media that they think a gun can be precisely aimed to disarm without sacrificing your safety in such a situation? Get with reality you use a gun to kill. You know it's often a good idea to re-evaluate your viewpoint when you end up arguing against yourself. Here are your points 1. The purpose of a gun is to kill (not to wound) 2. People should own guns 3. People who own guns don't plan on killing people What The Fuck I mean seriously, any argument for gun ownership based on the 'self defense' line of thinking is preceded by the willingness to kill. Wow, how did that go so far over your head? There is a HUGE difference between wanting to kill someone and defending yourself. If you can't understand that I don't think you have any business in this discussion.
By wielding a gun you accept that there is a possibility that you will shoot someone. Thus by buying a gun, you express that you are willing to shoot someone. If you don't understand that you don't belong near a gun.
You're trying to sugar coat killing people by using a prettier word, 'defense'.
It just so happens that you yourself said that defense entails shooting someone at center of mass, which is a pretty efficient way of killing somebody.
So again, if you want to use self defense as an argument for general gun ownership, don't give me bullshit about the majority of gun owners not being willing to kill people.
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On October 15 2012 06:47 Jormundr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 06:36 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 06:32 Jormundr wrote:On October 15 2012 06:16 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 06:05 lodeet wrote:On October 15 2012 05:45 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 05:40 lodeet wrote:On October 15 2012 05:25 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 05:23 lodeet wrote:On October 15 2012 05:12 Stutters695 wrote:
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It isn't as simple as having the know-how. Seeing as he had retired it wasn't like he was carrying nonlethal weapons. Of course you'd like to think a cop would be level headed enough to inform the intruder he was armed and demand he identify himself but that's not as simple as it sounds.
Although I am pro gun control I think this exemplifies the need for family training on having a gun in the household. My ex had a dad who owned a few guns and lived in a pretty sketchy neighborhood. Anytime someone came over late (parents asleep) her and her sister were told to use the front door and turn on the hallway light as soon as they got in. Although it seems controlling to a certain extent, if a family is prone to pull a gun on a robber, a discussion and simple protocols could easily prevent so many accidental shootings without infringing on gun owners rights in a way like lessening castle doctrine would.
These accidents are so unnecessary it's sad. This is why I don't care to own a gun, because they are fucking dangerous. I have shot many different types of hand guns and rifles and I can respect the power and devastation of the weapon. You cannot trust people to be responsible with guns it will just never happen and the current laws gives anyone an excuse to fire on an intruder. I don't necessarily have an issue with being able to protect yourself in your own home, but most people that I meet that like to own guns make it a point that they wish someone would break in just for an excuse to kill. I think it's sick and from my experience it's a mentality the majority of people I know have. That's completely bullshit. The only people who think like that are either mentally retarded are immature teenagers. If that is really the case you should stop socializing with such stupid . and it's I don't socialize with stupid people. I believe you are the ignorant one here. It's simply an anger thing. People want others to feel their pain. When they are fucked they want to fuck someone else in return. It's a vicious cycle. Of course everyone doesn't think this way but it's extremely prevelant mindset in the low-middle class who are the majority of the population. You can't call bullshit on this from looking down from Canada. I think I have a much better understanding of what goes on in my country. I have lived in the cities in the suburbs and the boondocks and find the same thing no matter where I go. Different people with different mindsets, but still the desire to hurt someone else. I lived in new orleans for 6 years, and currently in los angeles for the past 8. On October 15 2012 05:23 lodeet wrote:
This is why I don't care to own a gun, because they are fucking dangerous. I have shot many different types of hand guns and rifles and I can respect the power and devastation of the weapon. You cannot trust people to be responsible with guns it will just never happen and the current laws gives anyone an excuse to fire on an intruder. I don't necessarily have an issue with being able to protect yourself in your own home, but most people that I meet that like to own guns make it a point that they wish someone would break in just for an excuse to kill. I think it's sick and from my experience it's a mentality the majority of people I know have. Your own statement is what leads me to believe the "majority of people you know" (as you put it) are mentally incapable of owning a firearm in a mature and safe way. Yes it's true and I don't understand why you try to argue as I said people I KNOW and have met. All I am saying the majority of people I have met in my life are ignorant fucks doing the same stupid shit which leaves me to believe, based on my experiences, that the majority of the populace falls under the same category. And it is not secret that this is true. While that doesn't mean they are all out to kill each other. It just means most people aren't logical thinkers and are bound to be completely irrational. They can be mentally capable of owning and controling a firearm, but not smart enough to set proper procedures and set certain constraints in place to prevent accidents. Just because they will justify some excuse in their head as why a certain scenario wouldn't happen or how they would potentially prevent it. People don't set up enough safe guards probably because of ego and other dumb shit I cannot fathom. Regardless though if you still think people don't use self defense as an excuse to kill someone I think you are very sheltered. Whether majority or not it's still a lot of people. Yes, I'm very sheltered because I think it's a ridiculous notion to believe most people who own guns are waiting for an excuse to use it to kill someone. Lol........ On October 15 2012 05:29 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 05:25 Slardar wrote:
Honestly what is the purpose of a fucking gun if you just shoot someone in the head? You have someone at gun point in the dark, you don't say "HANDS UP" OR at least threaten "MOVE ANOTHER INCH AND I'LL CAP YOUR ASS"?
This shit is inconceivably retarded that I would say it's a murder case. A trained cop just does that? The purpose of a gun is to kill and that is all. How is that so hard to understand? Are the youth so brainwashed by media that they think a gun can be precisely aimed to disarm without sacrificing your safety in such a situation? Get with reality you use a gun to kill. You know it's often a good idea to re-evaluate your viewpoint when you end up arguing against yourself. Here are your points 1. The purpose of a gun is to kill (not to wound) 2. People should own guns 3. People who own guns don't plan on killing people What The Fuck I mean seriously, any argument for gun ownership based on the 'self defense' line of thinking is preceded by the willingness to kill. Wow, how did that go so far over your head? There is a HUGE difference between wanting to kill someone and defending yourself. If you can't understand that I don't think you have any business in this discussion. By wielding a gun you accept that there is a possibility that you will shoot someone. Thus by buying a gun, you express that you are willing to shoot someone. If you don't understand that you don't belong near a gun. You're trying to sugar coat killing people by using a prettier word, 'defense'. It just so happens that you yourself said that defense entails shooting someone at center of mass, which is a pretty efficient way of killing somebody. So again, if you want to use self defense as an argument for general gun ownership, don't give me bullshit about the majority of gun owners not being willing to kill people.
There is a difference between wanting to kill someone and being willing to do it to defend myself. I won't be responding to your ridiculousness any further.
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willing to do something if need arises != wanting to do something for pleasure
wtf bro.
Edit: post was directed at Jormundr.
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On October 15 2012 06:32 Jormundr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 06:16 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 06:05 lodeet wrote:On October 15 2012 05:45 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 05:40 lodeet wrote:On October 15 2012 05:25 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 05:23 lodeet wrote:On October 15 2012 05:12 Stutters695 wrote:On October 15 2012 04:52 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
So this man had every intention of killing anyone that entered his home. He's an officer, so he has the know-how to apprehend without using deadly force... Not to mention you're not supposed to go for killshots unless your life is threatened. Certainly you'd feel threatened if a stranger were in your home. But to kill him? Immediately? Don't people shoot at the knees anymore? It isn't as simple as having the know-how. Seeing as he had retired it wasn't like he was carrying nonlethal weapons. Of course you'd like to think a cop would be level headed enough to inform the intruder he was armed and demand he identify himself but that's not as simple as it sounds. Although I am pro gun control I think this exemplifies the need for family training on having a gun in the household. My ex had a dad who owned a few guns and lived in a pretty sketchy neighborhood. Anytime someone came over late (parents asleep) her and her sister were told to use the front door and turn on the hallway light as soon as they got in. Although it seems controlling to a certain extent, if a family is prone to pull a gun on a robber, a discussion and simple protocols could easily prevent so many accidental shootings without infringing on gun owners rights in a way like lessening castle doctrine would. These accidents are so unnecessary it's sad. This is why I don't care to own a gun, because they are fucking dangerous. I have shot many different types of hand guns and rifles and I can respect the power and devastation of the weapon. You cannot trust people to be responsible with guns it will just never happen and the current laws gives anyone an excuse to fire on an intruder. I don't necessarily have an issue with being able to protect yourself in your own home, but most people that I meet that like to own guns make it a point that they wish someone would break in just for an excuse to kill. I think it's sick and from my experience it's a mentality the majority of people I know have. That's completely bullshit. The only people who think like that are either mentally retarded are immature teenagers. If that is really the case you should stop socializing with such stupid . and it's I don't socialize with stupid people. I believe you are the ignorant one here. It's simply an anger thing. People want others to feel their pain. When they are fucked they want to fuck someone else in return. It's a vicious cycle. Of course everyone doesn't think this way but it's extremely prevelant mindset in the low-middle class who are the majority of the population. You can't call bullshit on this from looking down from Canada. I think I have a much better understanding of what goes on in my country. I have lived in the cities in the suburbs and the boondocks and find the same thing no matter where I go. Different people with different mindsets, but still the desire to hurt someone else. I lived in new orleans for 6 years, and currently in los angeles for the past 8. On October 15 2012 05:23 lodeet wrote:
This is why I don't care to own a gun, because they are fucking dangerous. I have shot many different types of hand guns and rifles and I can respect the power and devastation of the weapon. You cannot trust people to be responsible with guns it will just never happen and the current laws gives anyone an excuse to fire on an intruder. I don't necessarily have an issue with being able to protect yourself in your own home, but most people that I meet that like to own guns make it a point that they wish someone would break in just for an excuse to kill. I think it's sick and from my experience it's a mentality the majority of people I know have. Your own statement is what leads me to believe the "majority of people you know" (as you put it) are mentally incapable of owning a firearm in a mature and safe way. Yes it's true and I don't understand why you try to argue as I said people I KNOW and have met. All I am saying the majority of people I have met in my life are ignorant fucks doing the same stupid shit which leaves me to believe, based on my experiences, that the majority of the populace falls under the same category. And it is not secret that this is true. While that doesn't mean they are all out to kill each other. It just means most people aren't logical thinkers and are bound to be completely irrational. They can be mentally capable of owning and controling a firearm, but not smart enough to set proper procedures and set certain constraints in place to prevent accidents. Just because they will justify some excuse in their head as why a certain scenario wouldn't happen or how they would potentially prevent it. People don't set up enough safe guards probably because of ego and other dumb shit I cannot fathom. Regardless though if you still think people don't use self defense as an excuse to kill someone I think you are very sheltered. Whether majority or not it's still a lot of people. Yes, I'm very sheltered because I think it's a ridiculous notion to believe most people who own guns are waiting for an excuse to use it to kill someone. Lol........ Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 05:29 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 05:25 Slardar wrote:
Honestly what is the purpose of a fucking gun if you just shoot someone in the head? You have someone at gun point in the dark, you don't say "HANDS UP" OR at least threaten "MOVE ANOTHER INCH AND I'LL CAP YOUR ASS"?
This shit is inconceivably retarded that I would say it's a murder case. A trained cop just does that? The purpose of a gun is to kill and that is all. How is that so hard to understand? Are the youth so brainwashed by media that they think a gun can be precisely aimed to disarm without sacrificing your safety in such a situation? Get with reality you use a gun to kill. You know it's often a good idea to re-evaluate your viewpoint when you end up arguing against yourself. Here are your points 1. The purpose of a gun is to kill (not to wound) 2. People should own guns 3. People who own guns don't plan on killing people What The Fuck I mean seriously, any argument for gun ownership based on the 'self defense' line of thinking is preceded by the willingness to kill.
Your unreal...
If some one enters my home at night you bet your ass I'm gonna fucking shoot them. I can't read their mind, I don't know if they are armed with a gun, a knife or a nuke. I can't read their mind and know what their intentions are if they intend to steal, rape some one or kill someone. Why should I as a decent human being be expected to gamble my life and my girlfriends life when someone enters my home with a malicious intent? I should not have to fucking knife fight some random crackhead to keep us safe.
Maybe I could fight some crack head but do you really expect my girl friend who is tiny to fight him off if she's home alone?
I don't sit a home rubbing my gun and my dick at night with a trail of money leading into my house to waiting to shoot someone but I will not gamble my life in the slim slim slim slim chance that someone does make the mistake of entering my home with unknown intentions.
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On October 15 2012 06:32 Jormundr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 06:16 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 06:05 lodeet wrote:On October 15 2012 05:45 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 05:40 lodeet wrote:On October 15 2012 05:25 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 05:23 lodeet wrote:On October 15 2012 05:12 Stutters695 wrote:On October 15 2012 04:52 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
So this man had every intention of killing anyone that entered his home. He's an officer, so he has the know-how to apprehend without using deadly force... Not to mention you're not supposed to go for killshots unless your life is threatened. Certainly you'd feel threatened if a stranger were in your home. But to kill him? Immediately? Don't people shoot at the knees anymore? It isn't as simple as having the know-how. Seeing as he had retired it wasn't like he was carrying nonlethal weapons. Of course you'd like to think a cop would be level headed enough to inform the intruder he was armed and demand he identify himself but that's not as simple as it sounds. Although I am pro gun control I think this exemplifies the need for family training on having a gun in the household. My ex had a dad who owned a few guns and lived in a pretty sketchy neighborhood. Anytime someone came over late (parents asleep) her and her sister were told to use the front door and turn on the hallway light as soon as they got in. Although it seems controlling to a certain extent, if a family is prone to pull a gun on a robber, a discussion and simple protocols could easily prevent so many accidental shootings without infringing on gun owners rights in a way like lessening castle doctrine would. These accidents are so unnecessary it's sad. This is why I don't care to own a gun, because they are fucking dangerous. I have shot many different types of hand guns and rifles and I can respect the power and devastation of the weapon. You cannot trust people to be responsible with guns it will just never happen and the current laws gives anyone an excuse to fire on an intruder. I don't necessarily have an issue with being able to protect yourself in your own home, but most people that I meet that like to own guns make it a point that they wish someone would break in just for an excuse to kill. I think it's sick and from my experience it's a mentality the majority of people I know have. That's completely bullshit. The only people who think like that are either mentally retarded are immature teenagers. If that is really the case you should stop socializing with such stupid . and it's I don't socialize with stupid people. I believe you are the ignorant one here. It's simply an anger thing. People want others to feel their pain. When they are fucked they want to fuck someone else in return. It's a vicious cycle. Of course everyone doesn't think this way but it's extremely prevelant mindset in the low-middle class who are the majority of the population. You can't call bullshit on this from looking down from Canada. I think I have a much better understanding of what goes on in my country. I have lived in the cities in the suburbs and the boondocks and find the same thing no matter where I go. Different people with different mindsets, but still the desire to hurt someone else. I lived in new orleans for 6 years, and currently in los angeles for the past 8. On October 15 2012 05:23 lodeet wrote:
This is why I don't care to own a gun, because they are fucking dangerous. I have shot many different types of hand guns and rifles and I can respect the power and devastation of the weapon. You cannot trust people to be responsible with guns it will just never happen and the current laws gives anyone an excuse to fire on an intruder. I don't necessarily have an issue with being able to protect yourself in your own home, but most people that I meet that like to own guns make it a point that they wish someone would break in just for an excuse to kill. I think it's sick and from my experience it's a mentality the majority of people I know have. Your own statement is what leads me to believe the "majority of people you know" (as you put it) are mentally incapable of owning a firearm in a mature and safe way. Yes it's true and I don't understand why you try to argue as I said people I KNOW and have met. All I am saying the majority of people I have met in my life are ignorant fucks doing the same stupid shit which leaves me to believe, based on my experiences, that the majority of the populace falls under the same category. And it is not secret that this is true. While that doesn't mean they are all out to kill each other. It just means most people aren't logical thinkers and are bound to be completely irrational. They can be mentally capable of owning and controling a firearm, but not smart enough to set proper procedures and set certain constraints in place to prevent accidents. Just because they will justify some excuse in their head as why a certain scenario wouldn't happen or how they would potentially prevent it. People don't set up enough safe guards probably because of ego and other dumb shit I cannot fathom. Regardless though if you still think people don't use self defense as an excuse to kill someone I think you are very sheltered. Whether majority or not it's still a lot of people. Yes, I'm very sheltered because I think it's a ridiculous notion to believe most people who own guns are waiting for an excuse to use it to kill someone. Lol........ Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 05:29 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 05:25 Slardar wrote:
Honestly what is the purpose of a fucking gun if you just shoot someone in the head? You have someone at gun point in the dark, you don't say "HANDS UP" OR at least threaten "MOVE ANOTHER INCH AND I'LL CAP YOUR ASS"?
This shit is inconceivably retarded that I would say it's a murder case. A trained cop just does that? The purpose of a gun is to kill and that is all. How is that so hard to understand? Are the youth so brainwashed by media that they think a gun can be precisely aimed to disarm without sacrificing your safety in such a situation? Get with reality you use a gun to kill. You know it's often a good idea to re-evaluate your viewpoint when you end up arguing against yourself. Here are your points 1. The purpose of a gun is to kill (not to wound) 2. People should own guns 3. People who own guns don't plan on killing people What The Fuck I mean seriously, any argument for gun ownership based on the 'self defense' line of thinking is preceded by the willingness to kill.
I'd change this slightly.
1. I need to defend myself
2. The purpose of a gun is to kill
3. I need a gun to defend myself
The underlying value here is not so much that you need to potentially be willing to kill in order to defend yourself as perhaps it should be, the value here ends up being that in pursuit of self defense, the other person's life becomes worth so very little you don't even need to consider what he's doing or whether or not killing him is necessary. He broke into my house and I shot for the center mass. Period.
On October 15 2012 06:51 tokicheese wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 06:32 Jormundr wrote:On October 15 2012 06:16 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 06:05 lodeet wrote:On October 15 2012 05:45 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 05:40 lodeet wrote:On October 15 2012 05:25 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 05:23 lodeet wrote:On October 15 2012 05:12 Stutters695 wrote:On October 15 2012 04:52 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
So this man had every intention of killing anyone that entered his home. He's an officer, so he has the know-how to apprehend without using deadly force... Not to mention you're not supposed to go for killshots unless your life is threatened. Certainly you'd feel threatened if a stranger were in your home. But to kill him? Immediately? Don't people shoot at the knees anymore? It isn't as simple as having the know-how. Seeing as he had retired it wasn't like he was carrying nonlethal weapons. Of course you'd like to think a cop would be level headed enough to inform the intruder he was armed and demand he identify himself but that's not as simple as it sounds. Although I am pro gun control I think this exemplifies the need for family training on having a gun in the household. My ex had a dad who owned a few guns and lived in a pretty sketchy neighborhood. Anytime someone came over late (parents asleep) her and her sister were told to use the front door and turn on the hallway light as soon as they got in. Although it seems controlling to a certain extent, if a family is prone to pull a gun on a robber, a discussion and simple protocols could easily prevent so many accidental shootings without infringing on gun owners rights in a way like lessening castle doctrine would. These accidents are so unnecessary it's sad. This is why I don't care to own a gun, because they are fucking dangerous. I have shot many different types of hand guns and rifles and I can respect the power and devastation of the weapon. You cannot trust people to be responsible with guns it will just never happen and the current laws gives anyone an excuse to fire on an intruder. I don't necessarily have an issue with being able to protect yourself in your own home, but most people that I meet that like to own guns make it a point that they wish someone would break in just for an excuse to kill. I think it's sick and from my experience it's a mentality the majority of people I know have. That's completely bullshit. The only people who think like that are either mentally retarded are immature teenagers. If that is really the case you should stop socializing with such stupid . and it's I don't socialize with stupid people. I believe you are the ignorant one here. It's simply an anger thing. People want others to feel their pain. When they are fucked they want to fuck someone else in return. It's a vicious cycle. Of course everyone doesn't think this way but it's extremely prevelant mindset in the low-middle class who are the majority of the population. You can't call bullshit on this from looking down from Canada. I think I have a much better understanding of what goes on in my country. I have lived in the cities in the suburbs and the boondocks and find the same thing no matter where I go. Different people with different mindsets, but still the desire to hurt someone else. I lived in new orleans for 6 years, and currently in los angeles for the past 8. On October 15 2012 05:23 lodeet wrote:
This is why I don't care to own a gun, because they are fucking dangerous. I have shot many different types of hand guns and rifles and I can respect the power and devastation of the weapon. You cannot trust people to be responsible with guns it will just never happen and the current laws gives anyone an excuse to fire on an intruder. I don't necessarily have an issue with being able to protect yourself in your own home, but most people that I meet that like to own guns make it a point that they wish someone would break in just for an excuse to kill. I think it's sick and from my experience it's a mentality the majority of people I know have. Your own statement is what leads me to believe the "majority of people you know" (as you put it) are mentally incapable of owning a firearm in a mature and safe way. Yes it's true and I don't understand why you try to argue as I said people I KNOW and have met. All I am saying the majority of people I have met in my life are ignorant fucks doing the same stupid shit which leaves me to believe, based on my experiences, that the majority of the populace falls under the same category. And it is not secret that this is true. While that doesn't mean they are all out to kill each other. It just means most people aren't logical thinkers and are bound to be completely irrational. They can be mentally capable of owning and controling a firearm, but not smart enough to set proper procedures and set certain constraints in place to prevent accidents. Just because they will justify some excuse in their head as why a certain scenario wouldn't happen or how they would potentially prevent it. People don't set up enough safe guards probably because of ego and other dumb shit I cannot fathom. Regardless though if you still think people don't use self defense as an excuse to kill someone I think you are very sheltered. Whether majority or not it's still a lot of people. Yes, I'm very sheltered because I think it's a ridiculous notion to believe most people who own guns are waiting for an excuse to use it to kill someone. Lol........ On October 15 2012 05:29 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 05:25 Slardar wrote:
Honestly what is the purpose of a fucking gun if you just shoot someone in the head? You have someone at gun point in the dark, you don't say "HANDS UP" OR at least threaten "MOVE ANOTHER INCH AND I'LL CAP YOUR ASS"?
This shit is inconceivably retarded that I would say it's a murder case. A trained cop just does that? The purpose of a gun is to kill and that is all. How is that so hard to understand? Are the youth so brainwashed by media that they think a gun can be precisely aimed to disarm without sacrificing your safety in such a situation? Get with reality you use a gun to kill. You know it's often a good idea to re-evaluate your viewpoint when you end up arguing against yourself. Here are your points 1. The purpose of a gun is to kill (not to wound) 2. People should own guns 3. People who own guns don't plan on killing people What The Fuck I mean seriously, any argument for gun ownership based on the 'self defense' line of thinking is preceded by the willingness to kill. Your unreal... If some one enters my home at night you bet your ass I'm gonna fucking shoot them. I can't read their mind, I don't know if they are armed with a gun, a knife or a nuke. I can't read their mind and know what their intentions are if they intend to steal, rape some one or kill someone. Why should I as a decent human being be expected to gamble my life and my girlfriends life when someone enters my home with a malicious intent? I should not have to fucking knife fight some random crackhead to keep us safe.
Yeah, see above, but basically this implies that your default response is shoot to kill. In other words, if you know nothing about someone's intentions, you kill them, and if you were somehow able to learn something about their intentions you might not. Shoot to kill shouldn't be the default response, it should be the last response for a decent human being.
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On October 15 2012 06:51 sevencck wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 06:32 Jormundr wrote:On October 15 2012 06:16 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 06:05 lodeet wrote:On October 15 2012 05:45 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 05:40 lodeet wrote:On October 15 2012 05:25 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 05:23 lodeet wrote:On October 15 2012 05:12 Stutters695 wrote:On October 15 2012 04:52 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
So this man had every intention of killing anyone that entered his home. He's an officer, so he has the know-how to apprehend without using deadly force... Not to mention you're not supposed to go for killshots unless your life is threatened. Certainly you'd feel threatened if a stranger were in your home. But to kill him? Immediately? Don't people shoot at the knees anymore? It isn't as simple as having the know-how. Seeing as he had retired it wasn't like he was carrying nonlethal weapons. Of course you'd like to think a cop would be level headed enough to inform the intruder he was armed and demand he identify himself but that's not as simple as it sounds. Although I am pro gun control I think this exemplifies the need for family training on having a gun in the household. My ex had a dad who owned a few guns and lived in a pretty sketchy neighborhood. Anytime someone came over late (parents asleep) her and her sister were told to use the front door and turn on the hallway light as soon as they got in. Although it seems controlling to a certain extent, if a family is prone to pull a gun on a robber, a discussion and simple protocols could easily prevent so many accidental shootings without infringing on gun owners rights in a way like lessening castle doctrine would. These accidents are so unnecessary it's sad. This is why I don't care to own a gun, because they are fucking dangerous. I have shot many different types of hand guns and rifles and I can respect the power and devastation of the weapon. You cannot trust people to be responsible with guns it will just never happen and the current laws gives anyone an excuse to fire on an intruder. I don't necessarily have an issue with being able to protect yourself in your own home, but most people that I meet that like to own guns make it a point that they wish someone would break in just for an excuse to kill. I think it's sick and from my experience it's a mentality the majority of people I know have. That's completely bullshit. The only people who think like that are either mentally retarded are immature teenagers. If that is really the case you should stop socializing with such stupid . and it's I don't socialize with stupid people. I believe you are the ignorant one here. It's simply an anger thing. People want others to feel their pain. When they are fucked they want to fuck someone else in return. It's a vicious cycle. Of course everyone doesn't think this way but it's extremely prevelant mindset in the low-middle class who are the majority of the population. You can't call bullshit on this from looking down from Canada. I think I have a much better understanding of what goes on in my country. I have lived in the cities in the suburbs and the boondocks and find the same thing no matter where I go. Different people with different mindsets, but still the desire to hurt someone else. I lived in new orleans for 6 years, and currently in los angeles for the past 8. On October 15 2012 05:23 lodeet wrote:
This is why I don't care to own a gun, because they are fucking dangerous. I have shot many different types of hand guns and rifles and I can respect the power and devastation of the weapon. You cannot trust people to be responsible with guns it will just never happen and the current laws gives anyone an excuse to fire on an intruder. I don't necessarily have an issue with being able to protect yourself in your own home, but most people that I meet that like to own guns make it a point that they wish someone would break in just for an excuse to kill. I think it's sick and from my experience it's a mentality the majority of people I know have. Your own statement is what leads me to believe the "majority of people you know" (as you put it) are mentally incapable of owning a firearm in a mature and safe way. Yes it's true and I don't understand why you try to argue as I said people I KNOW and have met. All I am saying the majority of people I have met in my life are ignorant fucks doing the same stupid shit which leaves me to believe, based on my experiences, that the majority of the populace falls under the same category. And it is not secret that this is true. While that doesn't mean they are all out to kill each other. It just means most people aren't logical thinkers and are bound to be completely irrational. They can be mentally capable of owning and controling a firearm, but not smart enough to set proper procedures and set certain constraints in place to prevent accidents. Just because they will justify some excuse in their head as why a certain scenario wouldn't happen or how they would potentially prevent it. People don't set up enough safe guards probably because of ego and other dumb shit I cannot fathom. Regardless though if you still think people don't use self defense as an excuse to kill someone I think you are very sheltered. Whether majority or not it's still a lot of people. Yes, I'm very sheltered because I think it's a ridiculous notion to believe most people who own guns are waiting for an excuse to use it to kill someone. Lol........ On October 15 2012 05:29 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 05:25 Slardar wrote:
Honestly what is the purpose of a fucking gun if you just shoot someone in the head? You have someone at gun point in the dark, you don't say "HANDS UP" OR at least threaten "MOVE ANOTHER INCH AND I'LL CAP YOUR ASS"?
This shit is inconceivably retarded that I would say it's a murder case. A trained cop just does that? The purpose of a gun is to kill and that is all. How is that so hard to understand? Are the youth so brainwashed by media that they think a gun can be precisely aimed to disarm without sacrificing your safety in such a situation? Get with reality you use a gun to kill. You know it's often a good idea to re-evaluate your viewpoint when you end up arguing against yourself. Here are your points 1. The purpose of a gun is to kill (not to wound) 2. People should own guns 3. People who own guns don't plan on killing people What The Fuck I mean seriously, any argument for gun ownership based on the 'self defense' line of thinking is preceded by the willingness to kill. I'd change this slightly. 1. I need to defend myself 2. The purpose of a gun is to kill 3. I need a gun to defend myself The underlying value here is not so much that you need to potentially be willing to kill in order to defend yourself as perhaps it should be, the value here ends up being that in pursuit of self defense, the other person's life becomes worth so very little you don't even need to consider what he's doing or whether or not killing him is necessary. He broke into my house and I shot for the center mass. Period.
Why should I gamble my safety on someone who willingly invaded my home? If he didn't decide to break in I would not even think about harming the person. I'm not saying i don't respect someones opinion if it may be that, but I literally don't understand why I should just pray he doesn't intend to harm me. Anyone who is breaking into my home while I am in it willingly gave up his right to safety. No one forced him to come in.
edit: This is taking into consideration that guns are in criminals hands and NO law is going to remove them any time soon. Not a perfect world scenario, but rather a reality of what is going on in america.
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I wish it wasn't obvious based on the title what country this happened in.
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OK cool. you all can defend yourselves and your loved ones. thats what the gun is for, right? This thread is about that. Only he kinda blew off his son's face.
Is the illusion of security paramount over operational mistakes? Was it more important to be: "protected" or to have a son live? Questions abound, a call out in the the night would sound, but instead gun enthusiast go round and round, and we all lose sight of an absurd sound, a cop buries his son in the ground.
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what amazes me the most is not, that he shot his son in the face, but that the police isnt pressing charges against him. I mean only in a America is it ok to shoot someone in the face at first site, and be seen as self defense rather than murder (Which it is!), and I especially dont understand it since it was his song, who he "thought" was an intruder - Do they just let people murder there family members, and let them get away with it, because it was an accident, and in the home.
I imagine that when he speaks with one of his friends, it'll go something like this:
"Hey, what's up?"
"not much...I just shot my kid in the head yesterday"
"Holy shit!"
"I thought he was trespassing"
"...Oh well, it happens."
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On October 15 2012 06:51 sevencck wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 06:32 Jormundr wrote:On October 15 2012 06:16 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 06:05 lodeet wrote:On October 15 2012 05:45 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 05:40 lodeet wrote:On October 15 2012 05:25 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 05:23 lodeet wrote:On October 15 2012 05:12 Stutters695 wrote:On October 15 2012 04:52 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
So this man had every intention of killing anyone that entered his home. He's an officer, so he has the know-how to apprehend without using deadly force... Not to mention you're not supposed to go for killshots unless your life is threatened. Certainly you'd feel threatened if a stranger were in your home. But to kill him? Immediately? Don't people shoot at the knees anymore? It isn't as simple as having the know-how. Seeing as he had retired it wasn't like he was carrying nonlethal weapons. Of course you'd like to think a cop would be level headed enough to inform the intruder he was armed and demand he identify himself but that's not as simple as it sounds. Although I am pro gun control I think this exemplifies the need for family training on having a gun in the household. My ex had a dad who owned a few guns and lived in a pretty sketchy neighborhood. Anytime someone came over late (parents asleep) her and her sister were told to use the front door and turn on the hallway light as soon as they got in. Although it seems controlling to a certain extent, if a family is prone to pull a gun on a robber, a discussion and simple protocols could easily prevent so many accidental shootings without infringing on gun owners rights in a way like lessening castle doctrine would. These accidents are so unnecessary it's sad. This is why I don't care to own a gun, because they are fucking dangerous. I have shot many different types of hand guns and rifles and I can respect the power and devastation of the weapon. You cannot trust people to be responsible with guns it will just never happen and the current laws gives anyone an excuse to fire on an intruder. I don't necessarily have an issue with being able to protect yourself in your own home, but most people that I meet that like to own guns make it a point that they wish someone would break in just for an excuse to kill. I think it's sick and from my experience it's a mentality the majority of people I know have. That's completely bullshit. The only people who think like that are either mentally retarded are immature teenagers. If that is really the case you should stop socializing with such stupid . and it's I don't socialize with stupid people. I believe you are the ignorant one here. It's simply an anger thing. People want others to feel their pain. When they are fucked they want to fuck someone else in return. It's a vicious cycle. Of course everyone doesn't think this way but it's extremely prevelant mindset in the low-middle class who are the majority of the population. You can't call bullshit on this from looking down from Canada. I think I have a much better understanding of what goes on in my country. I have lived in the cities in the suburbs and the boondocks and find the same thing no matter where I go. Different people with different mindsets, but still the desire to hurt someone else. I lived in new orleans for 6 years, and currently in los angeles for the past 8. On October 15 2012 05:23 lodeet wrote:
This is why I don't care to own a gun, because they are fucking dangerous. I have shot many different types of hand guns and rifles and I can respect the power and devastation of the weapon. You cannot trust people to be responsible with guns it will just never happen and the current laws gives anyone an excuse to fire on an intruder. I don't necessarily have an issue with being able to protect yourself in your own home, but most people that I meet that like to own guns make it a point that they wish someone would break in just for an excuse to kill. I think it's sick and from my experience it's a mentality the majority of people I know have. Your own statement is what leads me to believe the "majority of people you know" (as you put it) are mentally incapable of owning a firearm in a mature and safe way. Yes it's true and I don't understand why you try to argue as I said people I KNOW and have met. All I am saying the majority of people I have met in my life are ignorant fucks doing the same stupid shit which leaves me to believe, based on my experiences, that the majority of the populace falls under the same category. And it is not secret that this is true. While that doesn't mean they are all out to kill each other. It just means most people aren't logical thinkers and are bound to be completely irrational. They can be mentally capable of owning and controling a firearm, but not smart enough to set proper procedures and set certain constraints in place to prevent accidents. Just because they will justify some excuse in their head as why a certain scenario wouldn't happen or how they would potentially prevent it. People don't set up enough safe guards probably because of ego and other dumb shit I cannot fathom. Regardless though if you still think people don't use self defense as an excuse to kill someone I think you are very sheltered. Whether majority or not it's still a lot of people. Yes, I'm very sheltered because I think it's a ridiculous notion to believe most people who own guns are waiting for an excuse to use it to kill someone. Lol........ On October 15 2012 05:29 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 05:25 Slardar wrote:
Honestly what is the purpose of a fucking gun if you just shoot someone in the head? You have someone at gun point in the dark, you don't say "HANDS UP" OR at least threaten "MOVE ANOTHER INCH AND I'LL CAP YOUR ASS"?
This shit is inconceivably retarded that I would say it's a murder case. A trained cop just does that? The purpose of a gun is to kill and that is all. How is that so hard to understand? Are the youth so brainwashed by media that they think a gun can be precisely aimed to disarm without sacrificing your safety in such a situation? Get with reality you use a gun to kill. You know it's often a good idea to re-evaluate your viewpoint when you end up arguing against yourself. Here are your points 1. The purpose of a gun is to kill (not to wound) 2. People should own guns 3. People who own guns don't plan on killing people What The Fuck I mean seriously, any argument for gun ownership based on the 'self defense' line of thinking is preceded by the willingness to kill. I'd change this slightly. 1. I need to defend myself 2. The purpose of a gun is to kill 3. I need a gun to defend myself The underlying value here is not so much that you need to potentially be willing to kill in order to defend yourself as perhaps it should be, the value here ends up being that in pursuit of self defense, the other person's life becomes worth so very little you don't even need to consider what he's doing or whether or not killing him is necessary. He broke into my house and I shot for the center mass. Period. Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 06:51 tokicheese wrote:On October 15 2012 06:32 Jormundr wrote:On October 15 2012 06:16 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 06:05 lodeet wrote:On October 15 2012 05:45 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 05:40 lodeet wrote:On October 15 2012 05:25 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 05:23 lodeet wrote:On October 15 2012 05:12 Stutters695 wrote:
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It isn't as simple as having the know-how. Seeing as he had retired it wasn't like he was carrying nonlethal weapons. Of course you'd like to think a cop would be level headed enough to inform the intruder he was armed and demand he identify himself but that's not as simple as it sounds.
Although I am pro gun control I think this exemplifies the need for family training on having a gun in the household. My ex had a dad who owned a few guns and lived in a pretty sketchy neighborhood. Anytime someone came over late (parents asleep) her and her sister were told to use the front door and turn on the hallway light as soon as they got in. Although it seems controlling to a certain extent, if a family is prone to pull a gun on a robber, a discussion and simple protocols could easily prevent so many accidental shootings without infringing on gun owners rights in a way like lessening castle doctrine would.
These accidents are so unnecessary it's sad. This is why I don't care to own a gun, because they are fucking dangerous. I have shot many different types of hand guns and rifles and I can respect the power and devastation of the weapon. You cannot trust people to be responsible with guns it will just never happen and the current laws gives anyone an excuse to fire on an intruder. I don't necessarily have an issue with being able to protect yourself in your own home, but most people that I meet that like to own guns make it a point that they wish someone would break in just for an excuse to kill. I think it's sick and from my experience it's a mentality the majority of people I know have. That's completely bullshit. The only people who think like that are either mentally retarded are immature teenagers. If that is really the case you should stop socializing with such stupid . and it's I don't socialize with stupid people. I believe you are the ignorant one here. It's simply an anger thing. People want others to feel their pain. When they are fucked they want to fuck someone else in return. It's a vicious cycle. Of course everyone doesn't think this way but it's extremely prevelant mindset in the low-middle class who are the majority of the population. You can't call bullshit on this from looking down from Canada. I think I have a much better understanding of what goes on in my country. I have lived in the cities in the suburbs and the boondocks and find the same thing no matter where I go. Different people with different mindsets, but still the desire to hurt someone else. I lived in new orleans for 6 years, and currently in los angeles for the past 8. On October 15 2012 05:23 lodeet wrote:
This is why I don't care to own a gun, because they are fucking dangerous. I have shot many different types of hand guns and rifles and I can respect the power and devastation of the weapon. You cannot trust people to be responsible with guns it will just never happen and the current laws gives anyone an excuse to fire on an intruder. I don't necessarily have an issue with being able to protect yourself in your own home, but most people that I meet that like to own guns make it a point that they wish someone would break in just for an excuse to kill. I think it's sick and from my experience it's a mentality the majority of people I know have. Your own statement is what leads me to believe the "majority of people you know" (as you put it) are mentally incapable of owning a firearm in a mature and safe way. Yes it's true and I don't understand why you try to argue as I said people I KNOW and have met. All I am saying the majority of people I have met in my life are ignorant fucks doing the same stupid shit which leaves me to believe, based on my experiences, that the majority of the populace falls under the same category. And it is not secret that this is true. While that doesn't mean they are all out to kill each other. It just means most people aren't logical thinkers and are bound to be completely irrational. They can be mentally capable of owning and controling a firearm, but not smart enough to set proper procedures and set certain constraints in place to prevent accidents. Just because they will justify some excuse in their head as why a certain scenario wouldn't happen or how they would potentially prevent it. People don't set up enough safe guards probably because of ego and other dumb shit I cannot fathom. Regardless though if you still think people don't use self defense as an excuse to kill someone I think you are very sheltered. Whether majority or not it's still a lot of people. Yes, I'm very sheltered because I think it's a ridiculous notion to believe most people who own guns are waiting for an excuse to use it to kill someone. Lol........ On October 15 2012 05:29 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 05:25 Slardar wrote:
Honestly what is the purpose of a fucking gun if you just shoot someone in the head? You have someone at gun point in the dark, you don't say "HANDS UP" OR at least threaten "MOVE ANOTHER INCH AND I'LL CAP YOUR ASS"?
This shit is inconceivably retarded that I would say it's a murder case. A trained cop just does that? The purpose of a gun is to kill and that is all. How is that so hard to understand? Are the youth so brainwashed by media that they think a gun can be precisely aimed to disarm without sacrificing your safety in such a situation? Get with reality you use a gun to kill. You know it's often a good idea to re-evaluate your viewpoint when you end up arguing against yourself. Here are your points 1. The purpose of a gun is to kill (not to wound) 2. People should own guns 3. People who own guns don't plan on killing people What The Fuck I mean seriously, any argument for gun ownership based on the 'self defense' line of thinking is preceded by the willingness to kill. Your unreal... If some one enters my home at night you bet your ass I'm gonna fucking shoot them. I can't read their mind, I don't know if they are armed with a gun, a knife or a nuke. I can't read their mind and know what their intentions are if they intend to steal, rape some one or kill someone. Why should I as a decent human being be expected to gamble my life and my girlfriends life when someone enters my home with a malicious intent? I should not have to fucking knife fight some random crackhead to keep us safe. Yeah, see above, but basically this implies that your default response is shoot to kill. In other words, if you know nothing about someone's intentions, you kill them, and if you were somehow able to learn something about their intentions you might not. Shoot to kill shouldn't be the default response, it should be the last response for a decent human being.
I'll add that I would define who the person is before shooting and warn them that I have a gun and that the police are coming. If they continue upstairs then I would shoot.
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On October 15 2012 07:06 Rebel_lion wrote:
OK cool. you all can defend yourselves and your loved ones. thats what the gun is for, right? This thread is about that. Only he kinda blew off his son's face.
Is the illusion of security paramount over operational mistakes? Was it more important to be: "protected" or to have a son live? Questions abound, a call out in the the night would sound, but instead gun enthusiast go round and round, and we all lose sight of an absurd sound, a cop buries his son in the ground.
People act crazy and do stupid things, cool. Since people make operational mistakes and kill people with cars we should ban them. Oh wait, that's not a valid argument.
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It's idiotic to claim that people who own guns await the "opportunity" to kill someone.
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