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On October 12 2012 14:52 armada[sb] wrote:
Shooting to kill before being able to identify your own son is extremely questionable in my opinion. Not saying he murdered his son, just seems so inconceivable to me.
Him wanting to murder his son, I would not put out of the question. Either that or his mind is seriously warped from his life.
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So this man had every intention of killing anyone that entered his home. He's an officer, so he has the know-how to apprehend without using deadly force... Not to mention you're not supposed to go for killshots unless your life is threatened. Certainly you'd feel threatened if a stranger were in your home. But to kill him? Immediately? Don't people shoot at the knees anymore?
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Not sure why anyone is surprised. The gun laws of America are ridiculous and dumb shit like this is bound to happen.
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On October 15 2012 04:52 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
So this man had every intention of killing anyone that entered his home. He's an officer, so he has the know-how to apprehend without using deadly force... Not to mention you're not supposed to go for killshots unless your life is threatened. Certainly you'd feel threatened if a stranger were in your home. But to kill him? Immediately? Don't people shoot at the knees anymore?
Anyone teaching people not to aim for center of mass should not be teaching anyone how to protect themselves with a firearm. You shoot to kill not disable. If you have no intention to kill don't shoot. That being said I'm not condoning what this man did especially considering how few the facts are at this time.
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On October 15 2012 02:18 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 02:12 CoR wrote:
thats the problem that in usa everyone have a gun and shoot in head ... even if a burgler come in your house in germany and you shoot him in head, you just go in jail for murder ... your not allowed to just shoot someone in head even if they come in your house STUPID rule in usa sry .... yeah, protecting your life over some douche scumbag who made a choice to invade your home while you are present is so stupid. in fact you should just lay there and die. also shooting a hand gun is not an exact science, even for a trained professional those bullets can go anywhere in the heat of the moment. this isn't the gun range and it certainly isn't call of duty modern home warfare.
It's like you think people commit burglaries to kill people. I love it.
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On October 15 2012 04:52 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
So this man had every intention of killing anyone that entered his home. He's an officer, so he has the know-how to apprehend without using deadly force... Not to mention you're not supposed to go for killshots unless your life is threatened. Certainly you'd feel threatened if a stranger were in your home. But to kill him? Immediately? Don't people shoot at the knees anymore?
It isn't as simple as having the know-how. Seeing as he had retired it wasn't like he was carrying nonlethal weapons. Of course you'd like to think a cop would be level headed enough to inform the intruder he was armed and demand he identify himself but that's not as simple as it sounds.
Although I am pro gun control I think this exemplifies the need for family training on having a gun in the household. My ex had a dad who owned a few guns and lived in a pretty sketchy neighborhood. Anytime someone came over late (parents asleep) her and her sister were told to use the front door and turn on the hallway light as soon as they got in. Although it seems controlling to a certain extent, if a family is prone to pull a gun on a robber, a discussion and simple protocols could easily prevent so many accidental shootings without infringing on gun owners rights in a way like lessening castle doctrine would.
These accidents are so unnecessary it's sad.
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On October 15 2012 05:06 HellRoxYa wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 02:18 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 02:12 CoR wrote:
thats the problem that in usa everyone have a gun and shoot in head ... even if a burgler come in your house in germany and you shoot him in head, you just go in jail for murder ... your not allowed to just shoot someone in head even if they come in your house STUPID rule in usa sry .... yeah, protecting your life over some douche scumbag who made a choice to invade your home while you are present is so stupid. in fact you should just lay there and die. also shooting a hand gun is not an exact science, even for a trained professional those bullets can go anywhere in the heat of the moment. this isn't the gun range and it certainly isn't call of duty modern home warfare. It's like you think people commit burglaries to kill people. I love it.
Implying that people only break into homes to steal. And on top of that simple home burglaries turn violent ALL THE TIME in the US.
It's like you think people's lives who make a decision to break into your home while you are fucking there are more important than your family. You have all the rights in the world to put the life of someone invading your home before the safety of your family, but I don't think your family will appreciate that. These people make a conscious choice to break in , they are forfeiting their safety.
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On October 15 2012 05:12 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 04:52 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
So this man had every intention of killing anyone that entered his home. He's an officer, so he has the know-how to apprehend without using deadly force... Not to mention you're not supposed to go for killshots unless your life is threatened. Certainly you'd feel threatened if a stranger were in your home. But to kill him? Immediately? Don't people shoot at the knees anymore? It isn't as simple as having the know-how. Seeing as he had retired it wasn't like he was carrying nonlethal weapons. Of course you'd like to think a cop would be level headed enough to inform the intruder he was armed and demand he identify himself but that's not as simple as it sounds. Although I am pro gun control I think this exemplifies the need for family training on having a gun in the household. My ex had a dad who owned a few guns and lived in a pretty sketchy neighborhood. Anytime someone came over late (parents asleep) her and her sister were told to use the front door and turn on the hallway light as soon as they got in. Although it seems controlling to a certain extent, if a family is prone to pull a gun on a robber, a discussion and simple protocols could easily prevent so many accidental shootings without infringing on gun owners rights in a way like lessening castle doctrine would. These accidents are so unnecessary it's sad.
This is why I don't care to own a gun, because they are fucking dangerous. I have shot many different types of hand guns and rifles and I can respect the power and devastation of the weapon. You cannot trust people to be responsible with guns it will just never happen and the current laws gives anyone an excuse to fire on an intruder. I don't necessarily have an issue with being able to protect yourself in your own home, but most people that I meet that like to own guns make it a point that they wish someone would break in just for an excuse to kill. I think it's sick and from my experience it's a mentality the majority of people I know have.
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On October 15 2012 05:23 lodeet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 05:12 Stutters695 wrote:On October 15 2012 04:52 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
So this man had every intention of killing anyone that entered his home. He's an officer, so he has the know-how to apprehend without using deadly force... Not to mention you're not supposed to go for killshots unless your life is threatened. Certainly you'd feel threatened if a stranger were in your home. But to kill him? Immediately? Don't people shoot at the knees anymore? It isn't as simple as having the know-how. Seeing as he had retired it wasn't like he was carrying nonlethal weapons. Of course you'd like to think a cop would be level headed enough to inform the intruder he was armed and demand he identify himself but that's not as simple as it sounds. Although I am pro gun control I think this exemplifies the need for family training on having a gun in the household. My ex had a dad who owned a few guns and lived in a pretty sketchy neighborhood. Anytime someone came over late (parents asleep) her and her sister were told to use the front door and turn on the hallway light as soon as they got in. Although it seems controlling to a certain extent, if a family is prone to pull a gun on a robber, a discussion and simple protocols could easily prevent so many accidental shootings without infringing on gun owners rights in a way like lessening castle doctrine would. These accidents are so unnecessary it's sad. This is why I don't care to own a gun, because they are fucking dangerous. I have shot many different types of hand guns and rifles and I can respect the power and devastation of the weapon. You cannot trust people to be responsible with guns it will just never happen and the current laws gives anyone an excuse to fire on an intruder. I don't necessarily have an issue with being able to protect yourself in your own home, but most people that I meet that like to own guns make it a point that they wish someone would break in just for an excuse to kill. I think it's sick and from my experience it's a mentality the majority of people I know have.
That's completely bullshit. The only people who think like that are either mentally retarded are immature teenagers. If that is really the case you should stop socializing with such stupid . and it's
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Honestly what is the purpose of a fucking gun if you just shoot someone in the head? You have someone at gun point in the dark, you don't say "HANDS UP" OR at least threaten "MOVE ANOTHER INCH AND I'LL CAP YOUR ASS"?
This shit is inconceivably retarded that I would say it's a murder case. A trained cop just does that?
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On October 15 2012 05:25 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 05:23 lodeet wrote:On October 15 2012 05:12 Stutters695 wrote:On October 15 2012 04:52 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
So this man had every intention of killing anyone that entered his home. He's an officer, so he has the know-how to apprehend without using deadly force... Not to mention you're not supposed to go for killshots unless your life is threatened. Certainly you'd feel threatened if a stranger were in your home. But to kill him? Immediately? Don't people shoot at the knees anymore? It isn't as simple as having the know-how. Seeing as he had retired it wasn't like he was carrying nonlethal weapons. Of course you'd like to think a cop would be level headed enough to inform the intruder he was armed and demand he identify himself but that's not as simple as it sounds. Although I am pro gun control I think this exemplifies the need for family training on having a gun in the household. My ex had a dad who owned a few guns and lived in a pretty sketchy neighborhood. Anytime someone came over late (parents asleep) her and her sister were told to use the front door and turn on the hallway light as soon as they got in. Although it seems controlling to a certain extent, if a family is prone to pull a gun on a robber, a discussion and simple protocols could easily prevent so many accidental shootings without infringing on gun owners rights in a way like lessening castle doctrine would. These accidents are so unnecessary it's sad. This is why I don't care to own a gun, because they are fucking dangerous. I have shot many different types of hand guns and rifles and I can respect the power and devastation of the weapon. You cannot trust people to be responsible with guns it will just never happen and the current laws gives anyone an excuse to fire on an intruder. I don't necessarily have an issue with being able to protect yourself in your own home, but most people that I meet that like to own guns make it a point that they wish someone would break in just for an excuse to kill. I think it's sick and from my experience it's a mentality the majority of people I know have. That's completely bullshit. The only people who think like that are either mentally retarded are immature teenagers.
I, as an ignorant european, do have the impression that alot of 'rednecks' do have this mentality. I hope someone can tell me im wrong.
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On October 15 2012 05:25 Slardar wrote:
Honestly what is the purpose of a fucking gun if you just shoot someone in the head? You have someone at gun point in the dark, you don't say "HANDS UP" OR at least threaten "MOVE ANOTHER INCH AND I'LL CAP YOUR ASS"?
This shit is inconceivably retarded that I would say it's a murder case. A trained cop just does that?
The purpose of a gun is to kill and that is all. How is that so hard to understand? Are the youth so brainwashed by media that they think a gun can be precisely aimed to disarm without sacrificing your safety in such a situation? Get with reality you use a gun to kill.
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On October 15 2012 05:27 solidbebe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 05:25 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 05:23 lodeet wrote:On October 15 2012 05:12 Stutters695 wrote:On October 15 2012 04:52 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
So this man had every intention of killing anyone that entered his home. He's an officer, so he has the know-how to apprehend without using deadly force... Not to mention you're not supposed to go for killshots unless your life is threatened. Certainly you'd feel threatened if a stranger were in your home. But to kill him? Immediately? Don't people shoot at the knees anymore? It isn't as simple as having the know-how. Seeing as he had retired it wasn't like he was carrying nonlethal weapons. Of course you'd like to think a cop would be level headed enough to inform the intruder he was armed and demand he identify himself but that's not as simple as it sounds. Although I am pro gun control I think this exemplifies the need for family training on having a gun in the household. My ex had a dad who owned a few guns and lived in a pretty sketchy neighborhood. Anytime someone came over late (parents asleep) her and her sister were told to use the front door and turn on the hallway light as soon as they got in. Although it seems controlling to a certain extent, if a family is prone to pull a gun on a robber, a discussion and simple protocols could easily prevent so many accidental shootings without infringing on gun owners rights in a way like lessening castle doctrine would. These accidents are so unnecessary it's sad. This is why I don't care to own a gun, because they are fucking dangerous. I have shot many different types of hand guns and rifles and I can respect the power and devastation of the weapon. You cannot trust people to be responsible with guns it will just never happen and the current laws gives anyone an excuse to fire on an intruder. I don't necessarily have an issue with being able to protect yourself in your own home, but most people that I meet that like to own guns make it a point that they wish someone would break in just for an excuse to kill. I think it's sick and from my experience it's a mentality the majority of people I know have. That's completely bullshit. The only people who think like that are either mentally retarded are immature teenagers. I, as an ignorant european, do have the impression that alot of 'rednecks' do have this mentality. I hope someone can tell me im wrong.
That's probably due to the fact that most europeans think americans are some kind of cowboys like they see on movies. Europe has a really warped view on americans If you really think that's the case I feel bad for you. The mentality of americans are backwards morons and europeans are better and smarter is hilarious.
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On October 15 2012 05:27 solidbebe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 05:25 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 05:23 lodeet wrote:On October 15 2012 05:12 Stutters695 wrote:On October 15 2012 04:52 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
So this man had every intention of killing anyone that entered his home. He's an officer, so he has the know-how to apprehend without using deadly force... Not to mention you're not supposed to go for killshots unless your life is threatened. Certainly you'd feel threatened if a stranger were in your home. But to kill him? Immediately? Don't people shoot at the knees anymore? It isn't as simple as having the know-how. Seeing as he had retired it wasn't like he was carrying nonlethal weapons. Of course you'd like to think a cop would be level headed enough to inform the intruder he was armed and demand he identify himself but that's not as simple as it sounds. Although I am pro gun control I think this exemplifies the need for family training on having a gun in the household. My ex had a dad who owned a few guns and lived in a pretty sketchy neighborhood. Anytime someone came over late (parents asleep) her and her sister were told to use the front door and turn on the hallway light as soon as they got in. Although it seems controlling to a certain extent, if a family is prone to pull a gun on a robber, a discussion and simple protocols could easily prevent so many accidental shootings without infringing on gun owners rights in a way like lessening castle doctrine would. These accidents are so unnecessary it's sad. This is why I don't care to own a gun, because they are fucking dangerous. I have shot many different types of hand guns and rifles and I can respect the power and devastation of the weapon. You cannot trust people to be responsible with guns it will just never happen and the current laws gives anyone an excuse to fire on an intruder. I don't necessarily have an issue with being able to protect yourself in your own home, but most people that I meet that like to own guns make it a point that they wish someone would break in just for an excuse to kill. I think it's sick and from my experience it's a mentality the majority of people I know have. That's completely bullshit. The only people who think like that are either mentally retarded are immature teenagers. I, as an ignorant european, do have the impression that alot of 'rednecks' do have this mentality. I hope someone can tell me im wrong.
First it was the majority of people you know. Now it's just the rednecks... So, are the majority of people you know rednecks? If so, how? If you're actually in Europe.
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On October 15 2012 05:32 MountainDewJunkie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 05:27 solidbebe wrote:On October 15 2012 05:25 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 05:23 lodeet wrote:On October 15 2012 05:12 Stutters695 wrote:On October 15 2012 04:52 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
So this man had every intention of killing anyone that entered his home. He's an officer, so he has the know-how to apprehend without using deadly force... Not to mention you're not supposed to go for killshots unless your life is threatened. Certainly you'd feel threatened if a stranger were in your home. But to kill him? Immediately? Don't people shoot at the knees anymore? It isn't as simple as having the know-how. Seeing as he had retired it wasn't like he was carrying nonlethal weapons. Of course you'd like to think a cop would be level headed enough to inform the intruder he was armed and demand he identify himself but that's not as simple as it sounds. Although I am pro gun control I think this exemplifies the need for family training on having a gun in the household. My ex had a dad who owned a few guns and lived in a pretty sketchy neighborhood. Anytime someone came over late (parents asleep) her and her sister were told to use the front door and turn on the hallway light as soon as they got in. Although it seems controlling to a certain extent, if a family is prone to pull a gun on a robber, a discussion and simple protocols could easily prevent so many accidental shootings without infringing on gun owners rights in a way like lessening castle doctrine would. These accidents are so unnecessary it's sad. This is why I don't care to own a gun, because they are fucking dangerous. I have shot many different types of hand guns and rifles and I can respect the power and devastation of the weapon. You cannot trust people to be responsible with guns it will just never happen and the current laws gives anyone an excuse to fire on an intruder. I don't necessarily have an issue with being able to protect yourself in your own home, but most people that I meet that like to own guns make it a point that they wish someone would break in just for an excuse to kill. I think it's sick and from my experience it's a mentality the majority of people I know have. That's completely bullshit. The only people who think like that are either mentally retarded are immature teenagers. I, as an ignorant european, do have the impression that alot of 'rednecks' do have this mentality. I hope someone can tell me im wrong. First it was the majority of people you know. Now it's just the rednecks... So, are the majority of people you know rednecks? If so, how? If you're actually in Europe.
I think youre mistaking him for another poster...
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On October 15 2012 05:29 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 05:25 Slardar wrote:
Honestly what is the purpose of a fucking gun if you just shoot someone in the head? You have someone at gun point in the dark, you don't say "HANDS UP" OR at least threaten "MOVE ANOTHER INCH AND I'LL CAP YOUR ASS"?
This shit is inconceivably retarded that I would say it's a murder case. A trained cop just does that? The purpose of a gun is to kill and that is all. How is that so hard to understand? Are the youth so brainwashed by media that they think a gun can be precisely aimed to disarm without sacrificing your safety in such a situation? Get with reality you use a gun to kill.
Yes get guns and kill!!!! Forget about the sanctity of life and kill....kill...KILL!!!!
Edit: I miss read the post but still...
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Heliusx you go frowning upon and lecturing people about stereotypes, yet you just insulted me with one like 2 posts above. Have you no shame!??
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On October 15 2012 05:37 NadaSound wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 05:29 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 05:25 Slardar wrote:
Honestly what is the purpose of a fucking gun if you just shoot someone in the head? You have someone at gun point in the dark, you don't say "HANDS UP" OR at least threaten "MOVE ANOTHER INCH AND I'LL CAP YOUR ASS"?
This shit is inconceivably retarded that I would say it's a murder case. A trained cop just does that? The purpose of a gun is to kill and that is all. How is that so hard to understand? Are the youth so brainwashed by media that they think a gun can be precisely aimed to disarm without sacrificing your safety in such a situation? Get with reality you use a gun to kill. Yes get guns and kill!!!! Forget about the sanctity of life and kill....kill...KILL!!!!
Yes get a post and take it out of context!!!!! Forget about the process of actually learning my stance before attacking me. ignorance...ignorance...IGNORANCE!!!!
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On October 15 2012 05:25 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 05:23 lodeet wrote:On October 15 2012 05:12 Stutters695 wrote:On October 15 2012 04:52 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
So this man had every intention of killing anyone that entered his home. He's an officer, so he has the know-how to apprehend without using deadly force... Not to mention you're not supposed to go for killshots unless your life is threatened. Certainly you'd feel threatened if a stranger were in your home. But to kill him? Immediately? Don't people shoot at the knees anymore? It isn't as simple as having the know-how. Seeing as he had retired it wasn't like he was carrying nonlethal weapons. Of course you'd like to think a cop would be level headed enough to inform the intruder he was armed and demand he identify himself but that's not as simple as it sounds. Although I am pro gun control I think this exemplifies the need for family training on having a gun in the household. My ex had a dad who owned a few guns and lived in a pretty sketchy neighborhood. Anytime someone came over late (parents asleep) her and her sister were told to use the front door and turn on the hallway light as soon as they got in. Although it seems controlling to a certain extent, if a family is prone to pull a gun on a robber, a discussion and simple protocols could easily prevent so many accidental shootings without infringing on gun owners rights in a way like lessening castle doctrine would. These accidents are so unnecessary it's sad. This is why I don't care to own a gun, because they are fucking dangerous. I have shot many different types of hand guns and rifles and I can respect the power and devastation of the weapon. You cannot trust people to be responsible with guns it will just never happen and the current laws gives anyone an excuse to fire on an intruder. I don't necessarily have an issue with being able to protect yourself in your own home, but most people that I meet that like to own guns make it a point that they wish someone would break in just for an excuse to kill. I think it's sick and from my experience it's a mentality the majority of people I know have. That's completely bullshit. The only people who think like that are either mentally retarded are immature teenagers. If that is really the case you should stop socializing with such stupid . and it's
I don't socialize with stupid people. I believe you are the ignorant one here. It's simply an anger thing. People want others to feel their pain. When they are fucked they want to fuck someone else in return. It's a vicious cycle. Of course everyone doesn't think this way but it's extremely prevelant mindset in the low-middle class who are the majority of the population.
You can't call bullshit on this from looking down from Canada. I think I have a much better understanding of what goes on in my country. I have lived in the cities in the suburbs and the boondocks and find the same thing no matter where I go.
Different people with different mindsets, but still the desire to hurt someone else.
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On October 15 2012 05:35 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 05:32 MountainDewJunkie wrote:On October 15 2012 05:27 solidbebe wrote:On October 15 2012 05:25 heliusx wrote:On October 15 2012 05:23 lodeet wrote:On October 15 2012 05:12 Stutters695 wrote:On October 15 2012 04:52 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
So this man had every intention of killing anyone that entered his home. He's an officer, so he has the know-how to apprehend without using deadly force... Not to mention you're not supposed to go for killshots unless your life is threatened. Certainly you'd feel threatened if a stranger were in your home. But to kill him? Immediately? Don't people shoot at the knees anymore? It isn't as simple as having the know-how. Seeing as he had retired it wasn't like he was carrying nonlethal weapons. Of course you'd like to think a cop would be level headed enough to inform the intruder he was armed and demand he identify himself but that's not as simple as it sounds. Although I am pro gun control I think this exemplifies the need for family training on having a gun in the household. My ex had a dad who owned a few guns and lived in a pretty sketchy neighborhood. Anytime someone came over late (parents asleep) her and her sister were told to use the front door and turn on the hallway light as soon as they got in. Although it seems controlling to a certain extent, if a family is prone to pull a gun on a robber, a discussion and simple protocols could easily prevent so many accidental shootings without infringing on gun owners rights in a way like lessening castle doctrine would. These accidents are so unnecessary it's sad. This is why I don't care to own a gun, because they are fucking dangerous. I have shot many different types of hand guns and rifles and I can respect the power and devastation of the weapon. You cannot trust people to be responsible with guns it will just never happen and the current laws gives anyone an excuse to fire on an intruder. I don't necessarily have an issue with being able to protect yourself in your own home, but most people that I meet that like to own guns make it a point that they wish someone would break in just for an excuse to kill. I think it's sick and from my experience it's a mentality the majority of people I know have. That's completely bullshit. The only people who think like that are either mentally retarded are immature teenagers. I, as an ignorant european, do have the impression that alot of 'rednecks' do have this mentality. I hope someone can tell me im wrong. First it was the majority of people you know. Now it's just the rednecks... So, are the majority of people you know rednecks? If so, how? If you're actually in Europe. I think youre mistaking him for another poster...
Probably. Quoting quoted quotes has led me astray.
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