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On October 12 2012 13:32 Glurkenspurk wrote:
I don't think anyone thinks it's really acceptable to take creepy pictures of girls to share with random people on the internet.
But I also know for a fact that the entire gateway drug to rape theory is fucking retarded. You could make other arbitrary connections with that logic. Using the internet means you'll eventually like child porn! Eating fruit means you'll eventually want to eat entire trees!
I disagree with your disagreement. It isn't a jump of take creepy pics of a girl in public to OMG he is going to rape her now! It is more like, going to stalk the girls or try to groom younger ones. From that it seems less of a jump to rape/assault/murder. Guys who are running around taking sneaky photos of a girls up-skirt and jerking off/sharing with others to jerk off to it aren't exactly playing with a full deck of cards. If they are in an environment where the behavior is accepted and encouraged there is a chance they could go further and end up hurting some girl. It has to do with group behavior and how it can affect a person to doing things they otherwise may not do.
I'm all for free speech but common sense should prevail in this case, reddit needs to shut those guys down.
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On October 12 2012 16:16 weishime wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 13:32 Glurkenspurk wrote:
I don't think anyone thinks it's really acceptable to take creepy pictures of girls to share with random people on the internet.
But I also know for a fact that the entire gateway drug to rape theory is fucking retarded. You could make other arbitrary connections with that logic. Using the internet means you'll eventually like child porn! Eating fruit means you'll eventually want to eat entire trees! I disagree with your disagreement. It isn't a jump of take creepy pics of a girl in public to OMG he is going to rape her now! It is more like, going to stalk the girls or try to groom younger ones. From that it seems less of a jump to rape/assault/murder. Guys who are running around taking sneaky photos of a girls up-skirt and jerking off/sharing with others to jerk off to it aren't exactly playing with a full deck of cards. If they are in an environment where the behavior is accepted and encouraged there is a chance they could go further and end up hurting some girl. It has to do with group behavior and how it can affect a person to doing things they otherwise may not do. I'm all for free speech but common sense should prevail in this case, reddit needs to shut those guys down.
As far as I know, it's not about taking upskirt photos or anything like that, it's just unauthorized candid photos. It's wrong, yes, but it's completely different than taking upskirt photos.
As far as your slippery slope argument, people who are predisposed to that kind of behavior might make those sort of advancements towards more dangerous activities. I really doubt, however, that someone who isn't already capable of something like that is going to go on r/creepshots and suddenly become a rapist. People don't just go on forums and become psychotic.
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Good thing. Some subforuma in Reddit are borderline criminal
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Posting the real life information of the creeps is potentially more dangerous than the posting of someone's photo online. However, with that said, if you're going to do something deplorable even if legal, you shouldn't expect other people to not do the same to you under the same guise of legality. Stuff on the internet travels fast nowadays and even a photo may be recognized and tagged to the real life person very quickly. I really have no sympathy for defamers who hide under anonymity. Obviously, they would like to stay anonymous because they know what they are doing is not right.
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There's a big difference between taking pictures of anonymous people and divulging their personal info. It's not even remotely the same thing.
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Dude, stuff on the internet spreads quickly. An anonymous photo might not stay anonymous long the moment someone recognizes it. And you don't know who is going to recognize your photo, who is going to spread it, and for what purposes. If you're going to be a creep and potentially put someone into a situation where they can potentially lose their right to privacy, then don't be a hypocrite when someone just chose to directly do it to you and in a more direct manner.
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On October 12 2012 06:47 PerryHooter wrote:
I guess this is what happens when young people gets to dominate an area of society, which the internet is. I'm not pointing fingers to anyone, I'm pretty young myself, just saying there's a disproportionate amount of immature and disrespectful people on the internet, and I guess that's due to the average age. These issues will probably solve themselves as time goes by and the crowd grows up, hopefully before governments strikes down on the internet through excessive law-making.
I forgot that once you turn 30 you completely stop being creepy.
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These fuckers think they can get away with it scot free, which is one of the reasons why sexual violence is so prevalent around the world
It's also been linked by scientists with the global warming problems as well as the nuclear proliferation in Iran.
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Am I evil for not seeing anything wrong here?
It's a weird fetish. It's not illegal. No one is getting hurt.
Now looking up their personal info then, that is fucking creepy and childish.
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On October 12 2012 16:52 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
Am I evil for not seeing anything wrong here?
It's a weird fetish. It's not illegal. No one is getting hurt.
Now looking up their personal info then, that is fucking creepy and childish.
No one gets hurt? Getting hurt physically is not the only way to get hurt. Reputation? The person's own self esteem? Potential to get the person fired from a job? Plenty of ways it can damage. Posting potentially compromising photos of someone (and this is creepshots so you can't say it's not potentially compromising) means that person potentially gets hurt here. If you're going to leave someone to the mercy of the internet, then you also deserve to be left to the mercy of the internet.
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This subreddit was shut down with blackmail and IRL threats. I'm not a huge advocate of that. We have a legal system for a reason.
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On October 12 2012 16:26 armada[sb] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 16:16 weishime wrote:On October 12 2012 13:32 Glurkenspurk wrote:
I don't think anyone thinks it's really acceptable to take creepy pictures of girls to share with random people on the internet.
But I also know for a fact that the entire gateway drug to rape theory is fucking retarded. You could make other arbitrary connections with that logic. Using the internet means you'll eventually like child porn! Eating fruit means you'll eventually want to eat entire trees! I disagree with your disagreement. It isn't a jump of take creepy pics of a girl in public to OMG he is going to rape her now! It is more like, going to stalk the girls or try to groom younger ones. From that it seems less of a jump to rape/assault/murder. Guys who are running around taking sneaky photos of a girls up-skirt and jerking off/sharing with others to jerk off to it aren't exactly playing with a full deck of cards. If they are in an environment where the behavior is accepted and encouraged there is a chance they could go further and end up hurting some girl. It has to do with group behavior and how it can affect a person to doing things they otherwise may not do. I'm all for free speech but common sense should prevail in this case, reddit needs to shut those guys down. As far as I know, it's not about taking upskirt photos or anything like that, it's just unauthorized candid photos. It's wrong, yes, but it's completely different than taking upskirt photos. As far as your slippery slope argument, people who are predisposed to that kind of behavior might make those sort of advancements towards more dangerous activities. I really doubt, however, that someone who isn't already capable of something like that is going to go on r/creepshots and suddenly become a rapist. People don't just go on forums and become psychotic.
As far as I know it is anything that can be gotten away with since moderation is loose. Cleavage, ass, up-skirt or whatever. Doesn't matter about age or if in school either since the don't ask don't tell policy was put in play. Though clearly if they are banning up-skirt it all suddenly becomes acceptable and obviously less seedy.
Way to overblow what I said. Who said he will suddenly become a rapist? I didn't... I only meant there is a greater chance (even if it is still a small chance) since the behavior being accepted and encouraged may cause them to go further had they not been.
Disagree if you feel like it but try googling some of the stuff which might be relevant first. Look at group vs group mentality caused by wearing a different color tshirt, how people can be made to hurt others because a 3rd party in authority says it is ok. There was also an interesting test run by a psychology professor to do with fake prison guards and inmates. That thing got so crazy it was stopped in 6 days.
That kind of stuff shows how otherwise regular people can do things that hurt others for dumb reasons. While not rape they do get dramatic results in really short amounts of time.
Nobody is saying person X will go to forum and become psychotic. Really stop trying to disprove by massive exaggeration.
Edit: Just looked two of the tests and wanted to leave links
Milgram experiment
Stanford prison experiment
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DEY DIDN DO NUFFIN
Can you please be serious? Photos can be plenty damaging. Didnt some girl just commit suicide because she was bullied off the face of the earth for exposing her breasts on cam. Sure it was pretty stupid of her to do that but nonetheless.
When I was in middle school a longggg time ago, there was a kid who went around one day with a disposable camera going around taking upskirt pictures of girls. He would just stick it between their legs and take a photo with the flash on. Needless to say, he was suspended and the camera obliterated. Times are different now and things like photos move really fast now. I realize that this will probably never end just because some subreddit died off or could ever fully die off for that matter, but the last thing we need to do is let some public photo exchange on a mainstream website exist.
Also, I cant help but laugh at the yuros who still defend CCTV. Cmon Man
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On October 12 2012 17:05 Greentellon wrote:
This subreddit was shut down with blackmail and IRL threats. I'm not a huge advocate of that. We have a legal system for a reason.
The actions committed were also done to circumvent the legal system. Unless the legal system can solve that and maybe it potentially/eventually can, then it is often the case that people fall back to fighting fire with fire. It's someone similar to a burglar who gets shot. The whole getting shot is definitely way more serious but does the burglar really deserve sympathy here? I don't even agree with gun ownership but I could care less that the burglar was shot.
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On October 12 2012 17:07 weishime wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 16:26 armada[sb] wrote:On October 12 2012 16:16 weishime wrote:On October 12 2012 13:32 Glurkenspurk wrote:
I don't think anyone thinks it's really acceptable to take creepy pictures of girls to share with random people on the internet.
But I also know for a fact that the entire gateway drug to rape theory is fucking retarded. You could make other arbitrary connections with that logic. Using the internet means you'll eventually like child porn! Eating fruit means you'll eventually want to eat entire trees! I disagree with your disagreement. It isn't a jump of take creepy pics of a girl in public to OMG he is going to rape her now! It is more like, going to stalk the girls or try to groom younger ones. From that it seems less of a jump to rape/assault/murder. Guys who are running around taking sneaky photos of a girls up-skirt and jerking off/sharing with others to jerk off to it aren't exactly playing with a full deck of cards. If they are in an environment where the behavior is accepted and encouraged there is a chance they could go further and end up hurting some girl. It has to do with group behavior and how it can affect a person to doing things they otherwise may not do. I'm all for free speech but common sense should prevail in this case, reddit needs to shut those guys down. As far as I know, it's not about taking upskirt photos or anything like that, it's just unauthorized candid photos. It's wrong, yes, but it's completely different than taking upskirt photos. As far as your slippery slope argument, people who are predisposed to that kind of behavior might make those sort of advancements towards more dangerous activities. I really doubt, however, that someone who isn't already capable of something like that is going to go on r/creepshots and suddenly become a rapist. People don't just go on forums and become psychotic. As far as I know it is anything that can be gotten away with since moderation is loose. Cleavage, ass, up-skirt or whatever. Doesn't matter about age or if in school either since the don't ask don't tell policy was put in play. Though clearly if they are banning up-skirt it all suddenly becomes acceptable and obviously less seedy. Way to overblow what I said. Who said he will suddenly become a rapist? I didn't... I only meant there is a greater chance (even if it is still a small chance) since the behavior being accepted and encouraged may cause them to go further had they not been. Disagree if you feel like it but try googling some of the stuff which might be relevant first. Look at group vs group mentality caused by wearing a different color tshirt, how people can be made to hurt others because a 3rd party in authority says it is ok. There was also an interesting test run by a psychology professor to do with fake prison guards and inmates. That thing got so crazy it was stopped in 6 days. That kind of stuff shows how otherwise regular people can do things that hurt others for dumb reasons. While not rape they do get dramatic results in really short amounts of time. Nobody is saying person X will go to forum and become psychotic. Really stop trying to disprove by massive exaggeration. Edit: Just looked two of the tests and wanted to leave links Milgram experimentStanford prison experiment
The studies you're quoting deal with people in a position of authority, while we are talking about people online in a position of anonymity. I don't see how they're related.
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On October 12 2012 16:16 weishime wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 13:32 Glurkenspurk wrote:
I don't think anyone thinks it's really acceptable to take creepy pictures of girls to share with random people on the internet.
But I also know for a fact that the entire gateway drug to rape theory is fucking retarded. You could make other arbitrary connections with that logic. Using the internet means you'll eventually like child porn! Eating fruit means you'll eventually want to eat entire trees! I disagree with your disagreement. It isn't a jump of take creepy pics of a girl in public to OMG he is going to rape her now! It is more like, going to stalk the girls or try to groom younger ones. From that it seems less of a jump to rape/assault/murder. Guys who are running around taking sneaky photos of a girls up-skirt and jerking off/sharing with others to jerk off to it aren't exactly playing with a full deck of cards. If they are in an environment where the behavior is accepted and encouraged there is a chance they could go further and end up hurting some girl. It has to do with group behavior and how it can affect a person to doing things they otherwise may not do. I'm all for free speech but common sense should prevail in this case, reddit needs to shut those guys down.
Excuse me, but how the F*ck do you view the male gender? Are all males crazed sociopaths who any given moment could jump out as a killer/rapists?...
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On October 12 2012 17:14 DigitalDevil wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 17:05 Greentellon wrote:
This subreddit was shut down with blackmail and IRL threats. I'm not a huge advocate of that. We have a legal system for a reason. The actions committed were also done to circumvent the legal system. Unless the legal system can solve that and maybe it potentially/eventually can, then it is often the case that people fall back to fighting fire with fire. It's someone similar to a burglar who gets shot. The whole getting shot is definitely way more serious but does the burglar really deserve sympathy here? I don't even agree with gun ownership but I could care less that the burglar was shot.
Theres a difference. If a burglar enters your house, you are in serious danger of getting killed. Having your photo posted on the internet does exactly zero harm to you.
Shooting a burglar is self defense, so that is understanable and legal, but circuventing the legal system over a couple of pics is a retarded action, made by even more retarded people.
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On October 12 2012 17:41 cloneThorN wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 17:14 DigitalDevil wrote:On October 12 2012 17:05 Greentellon wrote:
This subreddit was shut down with blackmail and IRL threats. I'm not a huge advocate of that. We have a legal system for a reason. The actions committed were also done to circumvent the legal system. Unless the legal system can solve that and maybe it potentially/eventually can, then it is often the case that people fall back to fighting fire with fire. It's someone similar to a burglar who gets shot. The whole getting shot is definitely way more serious but does the burglar really deserve sympathy here? I don't even agree with gun ownership but I could care less that the burglar was shot. Theres a difference. If a burglar enters your house, you are in serious danger of getting killed. Having your photo posted on the internet does exactly zero harm to you. Shooting a burglar is self defense, so that is understanable and legal, but circuventing the legal system over a couple of pics is a retarded action, made by even more retarded people.
Explain to me how posting a photo of someone on the internet in a very compromising manner does zero harm to that person? Creepshots is not a place your average joe goes to socialize and post neutral photos. The concept of creepshots itself doesn't lend itself to neutrality. It can potentially do zero harm to a person. It can also potentially do massive harm to that person. There are plenty of ways for that to happen and it's not even unreasonable to think they may happen.
You say it's retarded to fight back over a "couple of pics". Obviously, these pics aren't just a couple of pics or no one would be complaining. The actions of the creeps in this case are retarded to begin with so I wouldn't even bother defending them. If you're really fine with people doing things like this, would you be ok with the same people posting a picture of you onto a site like this where you can potentially be recognized, where you have no control over it, and possibly have it damage your reputation or lead to something worse?
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On October 12 2012 17:14 DigitalDevil wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 17:05 Greentellon wrote:
This subreddit was shut down with blackmail and IRL threats. I'm not a huge advocate of that. We have a legal system for a reason. The actions committed were also done to circumvent the legal system. Unless the legal system can solve that and maybe it potentially/eventually can, then it is often the case that people fall back to fighting fire with fire. It's someone similar to a burglar who gets shot. The whole getting shot is definitely way more serious but does the burglar really deserve sympathy here? I don't even agree with gun ownership but I could care less that the burglar was shot. There are shooting burglars on the street. I consider them way more threat to internet community than those creepy guys.
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On October 12 2012 17:14 DigitalDevil wrote:
Show nested quote +
The actions committed were also done to circumvent the legal system. Unless the legal system can solve that and maybe it potentially/eventually can, then it is often the case that people fall back to fighting fire with fire. It's someone similar to a burglar who gets shot. The whole getting shot is definitely way more serious but does the burglar really deserve sympathy here? I don't even agree with gun ownership but I could care less that the burglar was shot.
The old "two wrongs make a right" mentality, eh?
EDIT: derped a quote.
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