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On September 15 2012 22:46 Evilmystic wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2012 22:44 ahappystar wrote:On September 15 2012 22:26 fluidin wrote:On September 15 2012 22:24 Irrelevant Label wrote:
The earlier discussion seemed to be a mostly reasonable tangent from the assassination and the protest that provided cover for it. This "who is worst" pissing contest between US middle eastern policy, middle eastern dictators, and religious fanatics past and present is a bit ridiculous. Because the root of the situation stems from the issues you mentioned above, thus a discussion of this nature is bound to lead to aforementioned topics. The root of the situation stems from the NATO 'democracy at gunpoint' implemented in the region during the last few years and Libya being turned into a tribal state run by tribes and islamic fundamentalists It's pretty unreasonable to say that NATO is at fault for this and not Gaddafi who systematically oppressed everyone who opposed his dictatorship for forty years.
He suppressed islamic fundamentalists and crazy tribes. Libya had the highest standard of living in Africa. I don't recall jihadist burning down embassies while he was in power.
EDIT: In retrospect, alot of the people condemning the embassy attack in Libya were all for the storming of a certain Ecuadorian embassy. This is what happens when you have double standards and no respect for international law, or the integrity of a sovereign state
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So are there no more protest/riots/murders today?"
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that would be great ofcourse
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On September 15 2012 20:16 Biff The Understudy wrote:
If you can make a racist movie because freedom of speech is holy ground, you can make a demo because you don't like whatever you don't like. Mind you, 99,99% of those people are absolutely peaceful.
I wonder how many people support these actions though? If not, where the fuck is the other 1.5 billion people protesting in rage of what people of their religion did? How come all these 1% (or in your case, .01%) always have the big riots? Why can't just 2% of peaceful Muslims protest and drown the violent ones out?
Can you answer that question?
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On September 16 2012 00:27 Silidons wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2012 20:16 Biff The Understudy wrote:
If you can make a racist movie because freedom of speech is holy ground, you can make a demo because you don't like whatever you don't like. Mind you, 99,99% of those people are absolutely peaceful.
I wonder how many people support these actions though? If not, where the fuck is the other 1.5 billion people protesting in rage of what people of their religion did? How come all these 1% (or in your case, .01%) always have the big riots? Why can't just 2% of peaceful Muslims protest and drown the violent ones out? Can you answer that question?
maybe they are afraid of the crazy ones?
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On September 16 2012 00:20 frontliner2 wrote:
So are there no more protest/riots/murders today?"
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that would be great ofcourse
http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/news/123179/
Australian Muslims attacked police, waved Al-Quada Flags and chanted behaead those who insult islam, and Osama Osama we are all Osama.
Peaceful
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On September 16 2012 00:42 Bahamut1337 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 00:20 frontliner2 wrote:
So are there no more protest/riots/murders today?"
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that would be great ofcourse http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/news/123179/Australian Muslims attacked police, waved Al-Quada Flags and chanted behaead those who insult islam, and Osama Osama we are all Osama. Peaceful
Disgusting.
This whole event is making more non-muslims dislike muslims even more.
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On September 16 2012 00:57 frontliner2 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 00:42 Bahamut1337 wrote:On September 16 2012 00:20 frontliner2 wrote:
So are there no more protest/riots/murders today?"
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that would be great ofcourse http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/news/123179/Australian Muslims attacked police, waved Al-Quada Flags and chanted behaead those who insult islam, and Osama Osama we are all Osama. Peaceful Disgusting. This whole event is making more non-muslims dislike muslims even more.
This is why the Multicultural society has failed ,letting in people adhereing to 3rd world religion and values.
I can assure you this is no incident, Can expect similair events to continue to rise both in the EU and nations like Australia / Canada.
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Sudan rejects US request to send marines to Sudan to protect the US embassy, a state news agency says
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This thread is becoming less about discussing and providing data to back claims and more about "Well I have this opinion I made up through my years of researching nothing on the topic... It is now going to be provided as factual".
How about we start providing data to claims like "Can expect similar events to continue to rise in both EU and nations like Australia/Canada." or "Mind you, 99,99% of those people are absolutely peaceful." or even "act of the matter is Islam is extremly intolerant and paranoid about critisism". As you can see it is both sides of the fence and it is really degrading the quality of discussion.
Let's please start citing or arguing facts and stop making assumptions about an entire group of people.
On September 16 2012 01:10 ImFromPortugal wrote:
Sudan rejects US request to send marines to Sudan to protect the US embassy, a state news agency says
Can you provide a link, this sounds interesting.
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On September 16 2012 00:27 Silidons wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2012 20:16 Biff The Understudy wrote:
If you can make a racist movie because freedom of speech is holy ground, you can make a demo because you don't like whatever you don't like. Mind you, 99,99% of those people are absolutely peaceful.
I wonder how many people support these actions though? If not, where the fuck is the other 1.5 billion people protesting in rage of what people of their religion did? How come all these 1% (or in your case, .01%) always have the big riots? Why can't just 2% of peaceful Muslims protest and drown the violent ones out? Can you answer that question?
I don't get the question but it's very simple.
There haven't been any significance violence in Western countrie's demos (from what I know) -and no, burning a flag or spitting on police is not "significant violence". So if you guys care so much about freedom of speech, you shouldn't talk about fining or arresting those people. They are not associated to the fundamentalists who killed that embassador even if they protest for the same reasons. There are simply no "big riots" except in Lybia / Egypt etc... where salafist, who, even there, are probably a slight minority, have turned violent.
So, again, if you want to be consistent, stop raging and talk of fining / putting in jail all those protesters, because somewhere in an other country, some people protesting for the same cause have turned violent.
So that you know, the embassador has been killed by an extremely small crowd.
And again, I think those protests are fucking retarded. The fact that someone has actually be killed for such a ridiculous reason is beyond absurd.
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On September 16 2012 01:11 NeMeSiS3 wrote:This thread is becoming less about discussing and providing data to back claims and more about "Well I have this opinion I made up through my years of researching nothing on the topic... It is now going to be provided as factual". How about we start providing data to claims like "Can expect similar events to continue to rise in both EU and nations like Australia/Canada." or "Mind you, 99,99% of those people are absolutely peaceful." or even "act of the matter is Islam is extremly intolerant and paranoid about critisism". As you can see it is both sides of the fence and it is really degrading the quality of discussion. Let's please start citing or arguing facts and stop making assumptions about an entire group of people. Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 01:10 ImFromPortugal wrote:
Sudan rejects US request to send marines to Sudan to protect the US embassy, a state news agency says Can you provide a link, this sounds interesting.
http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/anti-islam-film-protests
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On September 16 2012 01:12 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 00:27 Silidons wrote:On September 15 2012 20:16 Biff The Understudy wrote:
If you can make a racist movie because freedom of speech is holy ground, you can make a demo because you don't like whatever you don't like. Mind you, 99,99% of those people are absolutely peaceful.
I wonder how many people support these actions though? If not, where the fuck is the other 1.5 billion people protesting in rage of what people of their religion did? How come all these 1% (or in your case, .01%) always have the big riots? Why can't just 2% of peaceful Muslims protest and drown the violent ones out? Can you answer that question? I don't get the question but it's very simple. There haven't been any significance violence in Western countrie's demos (from what I know) -and no, burning a flag or spitting on police is not "significant violence". So if you guys care so much about freedom of speech, you shouldn't talk about fining or arresting those people. They are not associated to the fundamentalists who killed that embassador even if they protest for the same reasons. There are simply no "big riots" except in Lybia / Egypt etc... where salafist, who, even there, are probably a slight monrity, have turned violent. So, afain, if you want to be consistent, stop raging and talk of fining / putting in jail all those protesters, because somewhere in an other country, some people protesting for the same cause have turned violent. So that you know, the embassador has been killed by an extremely small crowd. And again, I think those protests are fucking retarded. The fact that someone has actually be killed for such a ridiculous reason is beyond absurd.
Once again, not one person raged and said to "fine and put in jail all these protesters." We're saying to impose heavier sentences on violent protesters, because it's against the law. Peaceful demonstration is legal, violence is not. And this law will apply to all following similar cases, not just against muslims, but also for any violent demonstrators of any race or religion in the future.
And as far as I'm concerned, maybe it isn't the same for all, burning of a recognized country's flag counts as a serious crime and should carry a heavy penalty, like a jail term.
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On September 16 2012 01:14 ImFromPortugal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 01:11 NeMeSiS3 wrote:This thread is becoming less about discussing and providing data to back claims and more about "Well I have this opinion I made up through my years of researching nothing on the topic... It is now going to be provided as factual". How about we start providing data to claims like "Can expect similar events to continue to rise in both EU and nations like Australia/Canada." or "Mind you, 99,99% of those people are absolutely peaceful." or even "act of the matter is Islam is extremly intolerant and paranoid about critisism". As you can see it is both sides of the fence and it is really degrading the quality of discussion. Let's please start citing or arguing facts and stop making assumptions about an entire group of people. On September 16 2012 01:10 ImFromPortugal wrote:
Sudan rejects US request to send marines to Sudan to protect the US embassy, a state news agency says Can you provide a link, this sounds interesting. http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/anti-islam-film-protests
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/09/14/cairo-protests-friday-muslim-anger.html
This link is pretty interesting too.
I think it has more than the video imo (this is just speculation) but after 10 years of occupation and ddeath surrounding the Middle East it is no surprise to me that the flood gates over flowed. I wouldn't say this particular event was anything more than a catalyst to growing distaste for Americas (and NATO's) foreign policy.
What do you guys think?
On September 16 2012 01:17 fluidin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 01:12 Biff The Understudy wrote:On September 16 2012 00:27 Silidons wrote:On September 15 2012 20:16 Biff The Understudy wrote:
If you can make a racist movie because freedom of speech is holy ground, you can make a demo because you don't like whatever you don't like. Mind you, 99,99% of those people are absolutely peaceful.
I wonder how many people support these actions though? If not, where the fuck is the other 1.5 billion people protesting in rage of what people of their religion did? How come all these 1% (or in your case, .01%) always have the big riots? Why can't just 2% of peaceful Muslims protest and drown the violent ones out? Can you answer that question? I don't get the question but it's very simple. There haven't been any significance violence in Western countrie's demos (from what I know) -and no, burning a flag or spitting on police is not "significant violence". So if you guys care so much about freedom of speech, you shouldn't talk about fining or arresting those people. They are not associated to the fundamentalists who killed that embassador even if they protest for the same reasons. There are simply no "big riots" except in Lybia / Egypt etc... where salafist, who, even there, are probably a slight monrity, have turned violent. So, afain, if you want to be consistent, stop raging and talk of fining / putting in jail all those protesters, because somewhere in an other country, some people protesting for the same cause have turned violent. So that you know, the embassador has been killed by an extremely small crowd. And again, I think those protests are fucking retarded. The fact that someone has actually be killed for such a ridiculous reason is beyond absurd. Once again, not one person raged and said to " fine and put in jail all these protesters." We're saying to impose heavier sentences on violent protesters, because it's against the law. Peaceful demonstration is legal, violence is not. And this law will apply to all following similar cases, not just against muslims, but also for any violent demonstrators of any race or religion in the future. And as far as I'm concerned, maybe it isn't the same for all, burning of a recognized country's flag counts as a serious crime and should carry a heavy penalty, like a jail term.
On campus we burned a couch (house tradition) at the start of the year for new people. It was from The Brick. I guess that might be a serious crime to by that standard, perhaps we should get jail time. We could have been sending a message to the company saying "We want better couches!"
Burning a symbol should equate with freedom of speech, you're sending a message not killing a person. Saying "you should go to jail" for burning a flag is absolutely ridiculous.
Oh and for everyone losing shit about a riot.
![[image loading]](http://imageshack.us/a/img194/8489/newpice.jpg)
Even the Western World riots. I wonder if anyone can put together why this violent riot that ensued millions (if not a billion, my numbers are a bit foggy) worth of dmg to a place happened.
I'll give you a hint, it was really really fucking stupid.
So who are we to condemn violent riots breaking out over religion when we riot over fucking hockey games.
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On September 16 2012 00:57 frontliner2 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 00:42 Bahamut1337 wrote:On September 16 2012 00:20 frontliner2 wrote:
So are there no more protest/riots/murders today?"
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that would be great ofcourse http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/news/123179/Australian Muslims attacked police, waved Al-Quada Flags and chanted behaead those who insult islam, and Osama Osama we are all Osama. Peaceful Disgusting. This whole event is making more non-muslims dislike muslims even more.
Stop making generalization. If you make conclusions about "muslims" because of some idiots playing at Al Qaeda with black flags, you are the racist one.
There are 5-10% muslims in Western countries. That's millions and millions of people. An enormous majority doesn't support this shit, doesn't care that some idiot made some video and hate Al Qaeda just as you do.
Thinking that this is a justification for the huge amount of racism happening in your country and in mine towards Muslim and immigrants in general is plain wrong. I have muslim family, muslim friends, they are good, enlightened and loyal French citizens and people who, for a reason or another dislike them because of where they come from of the God they prey are just retards.
I don't feel that anybody should hate me because of what some Christian extremists might do. If a Muslim comes to me and say that Breivik is a reason why he hates me I will think he is both a racist and an idiot. Same here.
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On September 16 2012 01:12 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 00:27 Silidons wrote:On September 15 2012 20:16 Biff The Understudy wrote:
If you can make a racist movie because freedom of speech is holy ground, you can make a demo because you don't like whatever you don't like. Mind you, 99,99% of those people are absolutely peaceful.
I wonder how many people support these actions though? If not, where the fuck is the other 1.5 billion people protesting in rage of what people of their religion did? How come all these 1% (or in your case, .01%) always have the big riots? Why can't just 2% of peaceful Muslims protest and drown the violent ones out? Can you answer that question? I don't get the question but it's very simple. There haven't been any significance violence in Western countrie's demos (from what I know) -and no, burning a flag or spitting on police is not "significant violence". So if you guys care so much about freedom of speech, you shouldn't talk about fining or arresting those people. They are not associated to the fundamentalists who killed that embassador even if they protest for the same reasons. There are simply no "big riots" except in Lybia / Egypt etc... where salafist, who, even there, are probably a slight minority, have turned violent. So, again, if you want to be consistent, stop raging and talk of fining / putting in jail all those protesters, because somewhere in an other country, some people protesting for the same cause have turned violent. So that you know, the embassador has been killed by an extremely small crowd. And again, I think those protests are fucking retarded. The fact that someone has actually be killed for such a ridiculous reason is beyond absurd.
No big riots / violence in Australia, Amirite.
![[image loading]](http://images.smh.com.au/2012/09/15/3637564/art-protest3-620x349.jpg)
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Reminds me of those peaceful muslims in peaceful france, where they attacked people / cars / police after a criminal killed himself, peacefully no doubt.
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On September 16 2012 01:17 fluidin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 01:12 Biff The Understudy wrote:On September 16 2012 00:27 Silidons wrote:On September 15 2012 20:16 Biff The Understudy wrote:
If you can make a racist movie because freedom of speech is holy ground, you can make a demo because you don't like whatever you don't like. Mind you, 99,99% of those people are absolutely peaceful.
I wonder how many people support these actions though? If not, where the fuck is the other 1.5 billion people protesting in rage of what people of their religion did? How come all these 1% (or in your case, .01%) always have the big riots? Why can't just 2% of peaceful Muslims protest and drown the violent ones out? Can you answer that question? I don't get the question but it's very simple. There haven't been any significance violence in Western countrie's demos (from what I know) -and no, burning a flag or spitting on police is not "significant violence". So if you guys care so much about freedom of speech, you shouldn't talk about fining or arresting those people. They are not associated to the fundamentalists who killed that embassador even if they protest for the same reasons. There are simply no "big riots" except in Lybia / Egypt etc... where salafist, who, even there, are probably a slight monrity, have turned violent. So, afain, if you want to be consistent, stop raging and talk of fining / putting in jail all those protesters, because somewhere in an other country, some people protesting for the same cause have turned violent. So that you know, the embassador has been killed by an extremely small crowd. And again, I think those protests are fucking retarded. The fact that someone has actually be killed for such a ridiculous reason is beyond absurd. Once again, not one person raged and said to " fine and put in jail all these protesters." We're saying to impose heavier sentences on violent protesters, because it's against the law. Peaceful demonstration is legal, violence is not. And this law will apply to all following similar cases, not just against muslims, but also for any violent demonstrators of any race or religion in the future. And as far as I'm concerned, maybe it isn't the same for all, burning of a recognized country's flag counts as a serious crime and should carry a heavy penalty, like a jail term.
Really? A flag is a piece of coloured sheet on which some "patriots" put their ego and their pride when they play at which country has the biggest dick. It's a symbol. You burn a flag, it just means you are very angry against that country. Great.
Personally I don't care and I hardly see how burning a symbol is a serious offense or "significant violence".
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On September 16 2012 01:19 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 00:57 frontliner2 wrote:On September 16 2012 00:42 Bahamut1337 wrote:On September 16 2012 00:20 frontliner2 wrote:
So are there no more protest/riots/murders today?"
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that would be great ofcourse http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/news/123179/Australian Muslims attacked police, waved Al-Quada Flags and chanted behaead those who insult islam, and Osama Osama we are all Osama. Peaceful Disgusting. This whole event is making more non-muslims dislike muslims even more. Stop making generalization. If you make conclusions about "muslims" because of some idiots playing at Al Qaeda with black flags, you are the racist one. There are 5-10% muslims in Western countries. That's millions and millions of people. An enormous majority doesn't support this shit, doesn't care that some idiot made some video and hate Al Qaeda just as you do. Thinking that this is a justification for the huge amount of racism happening in your country and in mine towards Muslim and immigrants in general is plain wrong. I have muslim family, muslim friends, they are good, enlightened and loyal French citizens and people who, for a reason or another dislike them because of where they come from of the God they prey are just retards. I don't feel that anybody should hate me because of what some Christian extremists might do. If a Muslim comes to me and say that Breivik is a reason why he hates me I will think he is both a racist and an idiot. Same here.
I believe the issue is that even moderate Muslims are not necessarily sympathizing with the extremists, but they also aren't condoning the extremists' action. With that said, why are there not more anti-extremist protests by Muslims?
I'm more worried about the lack of sympathy for freedom of speech, and the disappointing number of Muslims standing up against the extremists.
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On September 16 2012 01:24 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 01:17 fluidin wrote:On September 16 2012 01:12 Biff The Understudy wrote:On September 16 2012 00:27 Silidons wrote:On September 15 2012 20:16 Biff The Understudy wrote:
If you can make a racist movie because freedom of speech is holy ground, you can make a demo because you don't like whatever you don't like. Mind you, 99,99% of those people are absolutely peaceful.
I wonder how many people support these actions though? If not, where the fuck is the other 1.5 billion people protesting in rage of what people of their religion did? How come all these 1% (or in your case, .01%) always have the big riots? Why can't just 2% of peaceful Muslims protest and drown the violent ones out? Can you answer that question? I don't get the question but it's very simple. There haven't been any significance violence in Western countrie's demos (from what I know) -and no, burning a flag or spitting on police is not "significant violence". So if you guys care so much about freedom of speech, you shouldn't talk about fining or arresting those people. They are not associated to the fundamentalists who killed that embassador even if they protest for the same reasons. There are simply no "big riots" except in Lybia / Egypt etc... where salafist, who, even there, are probably a slight monrity, have turned violent. So, afain, if you want to be consistent, stop raging and talk of fining / putting in jail all those protesters, because somewhere in an other country, some people protesting for the same cause have turned violent. So that you know, the embassador has been killed by an extremely small crowd. And again, I think those protests are fucking retarded. The fact that someone has actually be killed for such a ridiculous reason is beyond absurd. Once again, not one person raged and said to " fine and put in jail all these protesters." We're saying to impose heavier sentences on violent protesters, because it's against the law. Peaceful demonstration is legal, violence is not. And this law will apply to all following similar cases, not just against muslims, but also for any violent demonstrators of any race or religion in the future. And as far as I'm concerned, maybe it isn't the same for all, burning of a recognized country's flag counts as a serious crime and should carry a heavy penalty, like a jail term. Really? A flag is a piece of coloured sheet on which some "patriots" put their ego and their pride when they play at which country has the biggest dick. It's a symbol. You burn a flag, it just means you are very angry against that country. Great. Personally I don't care and I hardly see how burning a symbol is a serious offense or "significant violence".
Patriots are often the first to argue freedom of speech and then begin to contradict themselves by going "well as long as it isn't something I care about!" like the Flag. ^^
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On September 16 2012 01:21 Bahamut1337 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 01:12 Biff The Understudy wrote:On September 16 2012 00:27 Silidons wrote:On September 15 2012 20:16 Biff The Understudy wrote:
If you can make a racist movie because freedom of speech is holy ground, you can make a demo because you don't like whatever you don't like. Mind you, 99,99% of those people are absolutely peaceful.
I wonder how many people support these actions though? If not, where the fuck is the other 1.5 billion people protesting in rage of what people of their religion did? How come all these 1% (or in your case, .01%) always have the big riots? Why can't just 2% of peaceful Muslims protest and drown the violent ones out? Can you answer that question? I don't get the question but it's very simple. There haven't been any significance violence in Western countrie's demos (from what I know) -and no, burning a flag or spitting on police is not "significant violence". So if you guys care so much about freedom of speech, you shouldn't talk about fining or arresting those people. They are not associated to the fundamentalists who killed that embassador even if they protest for the same reasons. There are simply no "big riots" except in Lybia / Egypt etc... where salafist, who, even there, are probably a slight minority, have turned violent. So, again, if you want to be consistent, stop raging and talk of fining / putting in jail all those protesters, because somewhere in an other country, some people protesting for the same cause have turned violent. So that you know, the embassador has been killed by an extremely small crowd. And again, I think those protests are fucking retarded. The fact that someone has actually be killed for such a ridiculous reason is beyond absurd. No big riots / violence in Australia, Amirite. Reminds me of those peaceful muslims in peaceful france, where they attacked people / cars / police after a criminal killed himself, peacefully no doubt.
1- That's my point: if you care so much about freedom of speech, you should let those people claim whatever they want. INcluding that people who offend their invisible man sshould be beheaded. It's not even my opinion, I don't think you should have the right to say such thing, but in the other hand, I don't think you should ahve the right to make such film. So I just ask for consistency. If you can make hate films, then you should be able to make hate demos.
2- France riots had NOTHING to do with "muslims". It has to do with poor people living in ghettos. There were black people, white people, arabs, atheists, muslims, everything.
The fact that in France, most poor people happen, for historical reasons, to be muslims doesn't constitute any causality rapport between those riots and their religion.
That's the problem with people. They don't make the difference between causality and correlation. "Oh those muslims burn cars... Hate Muslims!" Hey, what about "Oh those poor people with no life prospect, victim of racism every day of their life and living in shitty ghettos burn cars... Hate the poors!"? Oh, it doesn't sound as good.
I can assure you that my Muslim cousins had nothing to do with the riots. Should we hate them because it happens that a lot of people involved in the riot believe in the same god than them?
Seriously.
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On September 16 2012 01:29 ranshaked wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 01:19 Biff The Understudy wrote:On September 16 2012 00:57 frontliner2 wrote:On September 16 2012 00:42 Bahamut1337 wrote:On September 16 2012 00:20 frontliner2 wrote:
So are there no more protest/riots/murders today?"
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that would be great ofcourse http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/news/123179/Australian Muslims attacked police, waved Al-Quada Flags and chanted behaead those who insult islam, and Osama Osama we are all Osama. Peaceful Disgusting. This whole event is making more non-muslims dislike muslims even more. Stop making generalization. If you make conclusions about "muslims" because of some idiots playing at Al Qaeda with black flags, you are the racist one. There are 5-10% muslims in Western countries. That's millions and millions of people. An enormous majority doesn't support this shit, doesn't care that some idiot made some video and hate Al Qaeda just as you do. Thinking that this is a justification for the huge amount of racism happening in your country and in mine towards Muslim and immigrants in general is plain wrong. I have muslim family, muslim friends, they are good, enlightened and loyal French citizens and people who, for a reason or another dislike them because of where they come from of the God they prey are just retards. I don't feel that anybody should hate me because of what some Christian extremists might do. If a Muslim comes to me and say that Breivik is a reason why he hates me I will think he is both a racist and an idiot. Same here. I believe the issue is that even moderate Muslims are not necessarily sympathizing with the extremists, but they also aren't condoning the extremists' action. With that said, why are there not more anti-extremist protests by Muslims? I'm more worried about the lack of sympathy for freedom of speech, and the disappointing number of Muslims standing up against the extremists.
Because it has nothing to do with them?
Why a moderate muslim should be involved in a conflict involving a racist who say they are a cancer in our society and some people who go ape shit nuts with paranoid slogans in those demos?
By the way, why aren't you protesting against this video? If there are reasons to protest against those demos, I guess we should protest against this video.
Unless Muslims should protest because salafists killed someone in Lybia? Seems unreal.
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