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Please don't use this thread as a platform to argue about religion. -semioldguy | ||
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Voltaire
United States1485 Posts
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KosQ
Germany223 Posts
On September 15 2012 08:28 tMomiji wrote: Islam keeps on getting a bad name over and over again. Not only is this violence deplorable, it's a complete slap in the face to the peaceful Muslims as well. Especially because the religion itself has nothing to do with it.. 0.001% extremists is enought and it's all you see on the news, sensationalism and so on... | ||
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Irrelevant Label
United States596 Posts
Following up on/expanding on that, how are they more/less/similarly collectivist compared to some of the farther eastern cultures and what is it in the case of those other collectivist cultures that causes them to not experience/have not experienced the often described economic and intellectual stagnation that the middle east suffers? I get the impression an excuse to shout out that greed is good was taken without valid relevance to the situation. So the trend has favored practicing islam by following what your cleric tells you about it and many of them practice a couple methods of strengthening their sense of community within the group. What has been cited so far is no more collectivist than many religious sub cultures in the famously individualist west, maybe even a large portion of abrahamic traditions in general. The typical evangelistic fundamentalist american sects of christianity in particular are more or less equal with what was described. | ||
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Voltaire
United States1485 Posts
On September 15 2012 08:38 KosQ wrote: Especially because the religion itself has nothing to do with it.. 0.001% extremists is enought and it's all you see on the news, sensationalism and so on... Okay a lot more than 0.001% of the population in these areas is upset about this. You're downplaying the issue. | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
On September 15 2012 08:31 Voltaire wrote: I will be outraged if the creator of the video is sent to jail. Why? I may not agree with him in the slightest, but from what I've seen it's well within his rights. That others got into a hissy fit and starting attacking people and killing is an altogether separate matter. edit - Nevermind misread you, read it as "I will be outraged if the creator of the video is not sent to jail. | ||
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SilverLeagueElite
United States626 Posts
On September 15 2012 08:31 Voltaire wrote: I will be outraged if the creator of the video is sent to jail. Sadly, jail might be the safer place. | ||
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Voltaire
United States1485 Posts
On September 15 2012 09:00 SilverLeagueElite wrote: Sadly, jail might be the safer place. For him? Not my problem. He probably keeps an extremely low profile or he'd already be dead. | ||
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Praetorial
United States4241 Posts
On September 15 2012 08:31 Voltaire wrote: I will be outraged if the creator of the video is sent to jail. He should be sent back to a liberal arts school in order to get a degree in filmmaking. That movie was terrible in every way possible. | ||
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TheRealArtemis
687 Posts
On September 15 2012 08:38 KosQ wrote: Especially because the religion itself has nothing to do with it.. 0.001% extremists is enought and it's all you see on the news, sensationalism and so on... You know Islam IS a strict religion. There is death pentalty in Islam for insulting the religion and leaving it. If believing in Islam, you must also believe in that. Saying that the religion itself had nothing to do with it, is being naive. You dont think its funny that we rarely/never hear about buddhists going on a killing spree because someone spoke their mind about their life style? Mulims dont tolerate anybody critisicing Islam. Its forbidden. They dont tolerate anything. Its kinda funny that there always is one guy saying that the "angry fundamentals" only represent a 0.001%. You soon have to reliase that in most islamic nations, they are brought up to be radicals. Not terrorists, if you somehow thought of that. But the strict culture and religion makes them intolerant. There is no other islam then that. Its just a part of their culture and religion. I have had many conversations with persecuted people from afghan and Iran who fled the country. (met them at work) They said, according to their oppion and experience, that there only exists"moderate muslims" in europe and in the western world. I believe them. | ||
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Deleted User 124618
1142 Posts
So this is what it's about. Seems like these rioters want that we jail anyone who says something bad about islam. That guy at my work made a joke about my hair. Better go kill his family. + Show Spoiler + That's a joke. I wasn't serious. | ||
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ecstatica
United States542 Posts
On September 15 2012 07:24 huStl.e wrote: just realised this film was made by someone who claims to be an israeli which now really just makes it a case of who is a bigger asshole. Now just have to subtly direct the raging crowd towards Israel and the rest can finally relax | ||
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Jisall
United States2054 Posts
On September 15 2012 09:17 Praetorial wrote: He should be sent back to a liberal arts school in order to get a degree in filmmaking. That movie was terrible in every way possible. HAHAHAHAHAHA Always a critic. I thought the piece was timeless. Although he most likely will be going to jail for an unrelated reason. He was not supposed to use the internet during his parol and making the movie went against this. This was from his parol from his fraud case where he used the internet to swindle people. So he most likely will go to jail but for unrelated reasons. Also jail in solitary would be his safest bet. Poor bastard. Islamic Extremists are crazy fuckers you don't want to pick a fight with. | ||
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Bahamut1337
Ghana205 Posts
On September 15 2012 09:33 Jisall wrote: HAHAHAHAHAHA Always a critic. I thought the piece was timeless. Although he most likely will be going to jail for an unrelated reason. He was not supposed to use the internet during his parol and making the movie went against this. This was from his parol from his fraud case where he used the internet to swindle people. So he most likely will go to jail but for unrelated reasons. Also jail in solitary would be his safest bet. Poor bastard. Islamic Extremists are crazy fuckers you don't want to pick a fight with. Seeing how Van Gogh was murderd on the streets, and Kurt Westergaard who was nearly killed by a Somali with an Axe I have to agree. Anyone making fun of Islam should do so under a fake name and make sure he covers his tracks. | ||
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pellejohnson
United States1931 Posts
On September 15 2012 08:28 tMomiji wrote: Islam keeps on getting a bad name over and over again. Not only is this violence deplorable, it's a complete slap in the face to the peaceful Muslims as well. Makes you wonder why they would keep following a religion that stands for so much violence and hatred in this world. Why don't just all peaceful Muslims create their new religion with a new name? | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
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CrimsonLotus
Colombia1123 Posts
It's quite ironic how this damages the image of Islam a million times more than what that crappy movie could have ever done. | ||
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Orek
1665 Posts
Acceptable 1. Criticizing another religion or group of people. 2. Peacefully demonstrating on the streets or in front of foreign embassies. Unacceptable 1. Purposefully offending people of another religion under the flag of "freedom of speech." 2. Resorting to violence to show how upset you are about what another country or a man in the country did. Both sides crossed the line. | ||
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Silidons
United States2813 Posts
On September 15 2012 12:11 Orek wrote: Everyone has different perspective. To me, what is acceptable and unacceptable are: Acceptable 1. Criticizing another religion or group of people. 2. Peacefully demonstrating on the streets or in front of foreign embassies. Unacceptable 1. Purposefully offending people of another religion under the flag of "freedom of speech." 2. Resorting to violence to show how upset you are about what another country or a man in the country did. Both sides crossed the line. yeah, and some of them are wrong (like yours) you should be able to criticize any religion without being fearful for your life. Purposefully offending people of another religion under the flag of "freedom of speech." does not fall under unacceptable in 1st world countries, sorry. | ||
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jellyjello
Korea (South)664 Posts
On September 15 2012 11:21 pellejohnson wrote: Makes you wonder why they would keep following a religion that stands for so much violence and hatred in this world. Why don't just all peaceful Muslims create their new religion with a new name? Because it is a religion that allows the supremacist idea in his foundation, and can be used as a powerful political weapon. | ||
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
On September 15 2012 12:11 Orek wrote: Everyone has different perspective. To me, what is acceptable and unacceptable are: Acceptable 1. Criticizing another religion or group of people. 2. Peacefully demonstrating on the streets or in front of foreign embassies. Unacceptable 1. Purposefully offending people of another religion under the flag of "freedom of speech." 2. Resorting to violence to show how upset you are about what another country or a man in the country did. Both sides crossed the line. I can never understand why so many people love to wade in the swamp of relativism in these issues. It's ok if one party is worse than the other. You need to accept where the evidence and facts lead you. | ||
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