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Please don't use this thread as a platform to argue about religion. -semioldguy
Voltaire
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1485 Posts
September 14 2012 23:31 GMT
#661
I will be outraged if the creator of the video is sent to jail.
As long as people believe in absurdities they will continue to commit atrocities.
KosQ
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany223 Posts
September 14 2012 23:38 GMT
#662
On September 15 2012 08:28 tMomiji wrote:
Islam keeps on getting a bad name over and over again. Not only is this violence deplorable, it's a complete slap in the face to the peaceful Muslims as well.

Especially because the religion itself has nothing to do with it.. 0.001% extremists is enought and it's all you see on the news, sensationalism and so on...
Irrelevant Label
Profile Joined January 2012
United States596 Posts
September 14 2012 23:50 GMT
#663
I'm not particularly familiar with the details of middle eastern culture and am not aware of an association between islam and collectivism beyond the simple shard belief group it provides like any other religion does. That there is some kind of intrinsic relationship between the two seems to be getting used as an axiom. Where did collectivism enter as the root cause of the developmental limitations in the region?

Following up on/expanding on that, how are they more/less/similarly collectivist compared to some of the farther eastern cultures and what is it in the case of those other collectivist cultures that causes them to not experience/have not experienced the often described economic and intellectual stagnation that the middle east suffers?

I get the impression an excuse to shout out that greed is good was taken without valid relevance to the situation. So the trend has favored practicing islam by following what your cleric tells you about it and many of them practice a couple methods of strengthening their sense of community within the group. What has been cited so far is no more collectivist than many religious sub cultures in the famously individualist west, maybe even a large portion of abrahamic traditions in general. The typical evangelistic fundamentalist american sects of christianity in particular are more or less equal with what was described.
Voltaire
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1485 Posts
September 14 2012 23:51 GMT
#664
On September 15 2012 08:38 KosQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 08:28 tMomiji wrote:
Islam keeps on getting a bad name over and over again. Not only is this violence deplorable, it's a complete slap in the face to the peaceful Muslims as well.

Especially because the religion itself has nothing to do with it.. 0.001% extremists is enought and it's all you see on the news, sensationalism and so on...


Okay a lot more than 0.001% of the population in these areas is upset about this. You're downplaying the issue.
As long as people believe in absurdities they will continue to commit atrocities.
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-15 00:00:05
September 14 2012 23:57 GMT
#665
On September 15 2012 08:31 Voltaire wrote:
I will be outraged if the creator of the video is sent to jail.

Why? I may not agree with him in the slightest, but from what I've seen it's well within his rights. That others got into a hissy fit and starting attacking people and killing is an altogether separate matter.

edit - Nevermind misread you, read it as "I will be outraged if the creator of the video is not sent to jail.
SilverLeagueElite
Profile Joined April 2010
United States626 Posts
September 15 2012 00:00 GMT
#666
On September 15 2012 08:31 Voltaire wrote:
I will be outraged if the creator of the video is sent to jail.

Sadly, jail might be the safer place.
Voltaire
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1485 Posts
September 15 2012 00:04 GMT
#667
On September 15 2012 09:00 SilverLeagueElite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 08:31 Voltaire wrote:
I will be outraged if the creator of the video is sent to jail.

Sadly, jail might be the safer place.


For him? Not my problem. He probably keeps an extremely low profile or he'd already be dead.
As long as people believe in absurdities they will continue to commit atrocities.
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
September 15 2012 00:17 GMT
#668
On September 15 2012 08:31 Voltaire wrote:
I will be outraged if the creator of the video is sent to jail.


He should be sent back to a liberal arts school in order to get a degree in filmmaking.

That movie was terrible in every way possible.
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TheRealArtemis
Profile Joined October 2011
687 Posts
September 15 2012 00:21 GMT
#669
On September 15 2012 08:38 KosQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 08:28 tMomiji wrote:
Islam keeps on getting a bad name over and over again. Not only is this violence deplorable, it's a complete slap in the face to the peaceful Muslims as well.

Especially because the religion itself has nothing to do with it.. 0.001% extremists is enought and it's all you see on the news, sensationalism and so on...


You know Islam IS a strict religion. There is death pentalty in Islam for insulting the religion and leaving it. If believing in Islam, you must also believe in that. Saying that the religion itself had nothing to do with it, is being naive. You dont think its funny that we rarely/never hear about buddhists going on a killing spree because someone spoke their mind about their life style?

Mulims dont tolerate anybody critisicing Islam. Its forbidden. They dont tolerate anything.

Its kinda funny that there always is one guy saying that the "angry fundamentals" only represent a 0.001%. You soon have to reliase that in most islamic nations, they are brought up to be radicals. Not terrorists, if you somehow thought of that. But the strict culture and religion makes them intolerant. There is no other islam then that. Its just a part of their culture and religion.

I have had many conversations with persecuted people from afghan and Iran who fled the country. (met them at work) They said, according to their oppion and experience, that there only exists"moderate muslims" in europe and in the western world. I believe them.
religion is like a prison for the seekers of wisdom
Deleted User 124618
Profile Joined November 2010
1142 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-15 00:29:18
September 15 2012 00:25 GMT
#670
http://www.timesofisrael.com/muslim-brotherhood-website-demands-that-west-criminalize-assaults-on-islam/

So this is what it's about. Seems like these rioters want that we jail anyone who says something bad about islam.

That guy at my work made a joke about my hair. Better go kill his family.

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ecstatica
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States542 Posts
September 15 2012 00:32 GMT
#671
On September 15 2012 07:24 huStl.e wrote:
just realised this film was made by someone who claims to be an israeli which now really just makes it a case of who is a bigger asshole.


Now just have to subtly direct the raging crowd towards Israel and the rest can finally relax
NeMeSiS3, Portlandian, Reason,
Jisall
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2054 Posts
September 15 2012 00:33 GMT
#672
On September 15 2012 09:17 Praetorial wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 08:31 Voltaire wrote:
I will be outraged if the creator of the video is sent to jail.


He should be sent back to a liberal arts school in order to get a degree in filmmaking.

That movie was terrible in every way possible.


HAHAHAHAHAHA Always a critic. I thought the piece was timeless. Although he most likely will be going to jail for an unrelated reason. He was not supposed to use the internet during his parol and making the movie went against this. This was from his parol from his fraud case where he used the internet to swindle people.

So he most likely will go to jail but for unrelated reasons.

Also jail in solitary would be his safest bet. Poor bastard. Islamic Extremists are crazy fuckers you don't want to pick a fight with.
Monk: Because being a badass is more fun then playing a dude wearing a scarf.. ... Ite fuck it, Witch Doctor cuz I like killing stuff in a timely mannor.
Bahamut1337
Profile Joined July 2012
Ghana205 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-15 01:10:23
September 15 2012 00:40 GMT
#673
On September 15 2012 09:33 Jisall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 09:17 Praetorial wrote:
On September 15 2012 08:31 Voltaire wrote:
I will be outraged if the creator of the video is sent to jail.


He should be sent back to a liberal arts school in order to get a degree in filmmaking.

That movie was terrible in every way possible.


HAHAHAHAHAHA Always a critic. I thought the piece was timeless. Although he most likely will be going to jail for an unrelated reason. He was not supposed to use the internet during his parol and making the movie went against this. This was from his parol from his fraud case where he used the internet to swindle people.

So he most likely will go to jail but for unrelated reasons.

Also jail in solitary would be his safest bet. Poor bastard. Islamic Extremists are crazy fuckers you don't want to pick a fight with.


Seeing how Van Gogh was murderd on the streets, and Kurt Westergaard who was nearly killed by a Somali with an Axe I have to agree.

Anyone making fun of Islam should do so under a fake name and make sure he covers his tracks.
pellejohnson
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1931 Posts
September 15 2012 02:21 GMT
#674
On September 15 2012 08:28 tMomiji wrote:
Islam keeps on getting a bad name over and over again. Not only is this violence deplorable, it's a complete slap in the face to the peaceful Muslims as well.


Makes you wonder why they would keep following a religion that stands for so much violence and hatred in this world. Why don't just all peaceful Muslims create their new religion with a new name?
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-15 02:23:47
September 15 2012 02:23 GMT
#675
I dont want to be shitty but if those same people are always mad at everyone else, maybe the issue isn't everyone else :-(
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
CrimsonLotus
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Colombia1123 Posts
September 15 2012 02:24 GMT
#676
So, four colombian peacekeepers wounded in islamist attacks on the Sinai, the german embassy iin Sudan burned, this is just the most random and senseless show of anger and violence possible.

It's quite ironic how this damages the image of Islam a million times more than what that crappy movie could have ever done.
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Orek
Profile Joined February 2012
1665 Posts
September 15 2012 03:11 GMT
#677
Everyone has different perspective. To me, what is acceptable and unacceptable are:

Acceptable
1. Criticizing another religion or group of people.
2. Peacefully demonstrating on the streets or in front of foreign embassies.

Unacceptable
1. Purposefully offending people of another religion under the flag of "freedom of speech."
2. Resorting to violence to show how upset you are about what another country or a man in the country did.

Both sides crossed the line.
Silidons
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2813 Posts
September 15 2012 03:20 GMT
#678
On September 15 2012 12:11 Orek wrote:
Everyone has different perspective. To me, what is acceptable and unacceptable are:

Acceptable
1. Criticizing another religion or group of people.
2. Peacefully demonstrating on the streets or in front of foreign embassies.

Unacceptable
1. Purposefully offending people of another religion under the flag of "freedom of speech."
2. Resorting to violence to show how upset you are about what another country or a man in the country did.

Both sides crossed the line.

yeah, and some of them are wrong (like yours)

you should be able to criticize any religion without being fearful for your life. Purposefully offending people of another religion under the flag of "freedom of speech." does not fall under unacceptable in 1st world countries, sorry.
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon Bonaparte
jellyjello
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)664 Posts
September 15 2012 03:27 GMT
#679
On September 15 2012 11:21 pellejohnson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 08:28 tMomiji wrote:
Islam keeps on getting a bad name over and over again. Not only is this violence deplorable, it's a complete slap in the face to the peaceful Muslims as well.


Makes you wonder why they would keep following a religion that stands for so much violence and hatred in this world. Why don't just all peaceful Muslims create their new religion with a new name?


Because it is a religion that allows the supremacist idea in his foundation, and can be used as a powerful political weapon.
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-15 03:36:57
September 15 2012 03:36 GMT
#680
On September 15 2012 12:11 Orek wrote:
Everyone has different perspective. To me, what is acceptable and unacceptable are:

Acceptable
1. Criticizing another religion or group of people.
2. Peacefully demonstrating on the streets or in front of foreign embassies.

Unacceptable
1. Purposefully offending people of another religion under the flag of "freedom of speech."
2. Resorting to violence to show how upset you are about what another country or a man in the country did.

Both sides crossed the line.

I can never understand why so many people love to wade in the swamp of relativism in these issues. It's ok if one party is worse than the other. You need to accept where the evidence and facts lead you.
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