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Rah
United States973 Posts
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s3rp
Germany3192 Posts
On September 14 2012 00:59 Rah wrote: So disgusting. That video wouldn't even be worth watching if it wasn't for this, and these idiots killed over it. Do they really believe the US government officials were the ones to attack over the youtube video? People are ridiculous. The killing was not done because of the video. It was an organized attack by a millitant group that had been attacking several targets in Lybia before. They just used the protest that was already happening as an excuse to do another one . The people storming the Embassy and killing the 4 Americans AND quite a bunch of Lybians protecting them had been heavily armed and at least had to have some sort of military training . Even in Lybia a protest is not done with Assault Rifles and Rocket Launchers even if its a more violent one. | ||
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Irrelevant Label
United States596 Posts
Not only was it apparently a planned assassination that simply used the protest as cover, but even if that was not the case what kind of reason is it to hold that a violent response to media pieces containing religious, social or political commentary is to be accepted? | ||
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ddrddrddrddr
1344 Posts
On September 14 2012 01:31 Irrelevant Label wrote: It is amazing people are actually willing to blame the video maker for this. Not only was it apparently a planned assassination that simply used the protest as cover, but even if that was not the case what kind of reason is it to hold that a violent response to media pieces containing religious, social or political commentary is to be accepted? You throw a rock at a rabid dog and then run away. The dog bites the nearest person. Is it the dog's fault? Yes. Are you at fault? Also yes. It doesn't matter if the rock that was thrown was a golden nugget. If he didn't poke the hornet nest with so little care and consideration, there wouldn't be a riot. Do'nt forget he knew this would provoke a violent response from muslims. No riot, no cover for assassination even if there was one. Meanwhile this guy goes into hiding and claims no responsibility. You tell me why this talentless hack do not deserve some blame? | ||
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unkkz
Norway2196 Posts
On September 14 2012 01:41 ddrddrddrddr wrote: You throw a rock at a rabid dog and then run away. The dog bites the nearest person. Is it the dog's fault? Yes. Are you at fault? Also yes. It doesn't matter if the rock that was thrown was a golden nugget. If he didn't poke the hornet nest with so little care and consideration, there wouldn't be a riot. Do'nt forget he knew this would provoke a violent response from muslims. No riot, no cover for assassination even if there was one. Meanwhile this guy goes into hiding and claims no responsibility. You tell me why this talentless hack do not deserve some blame? So one cannot criticize islam, ever? Simply because you might offend muslims or for fear of the aftermath? Don't get me wrong from what i've seen of this movie so far it is anything but a legitimate movie using proper argumentation etc but it's still just that - a movie even if it's a biased pile of dung. I dont think he deserves any blame because guess what, as bad and poorly acted, written, filmed and produced that movie is it is still a movie and it is still freedom of speech being used. I don't know if it can be considered racist/hatecrime etc that would remove it from freedom of speech but still - it's a freaking movie, and an incredibly poorly made one at that. The protests are ridicilous. | ||
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Aristodemus
England1993 Posts
On September 14 2012 01:41 ddrddrddrddr wrote: You throw a rock at a rabid dog and then run away. The dog bites the nearest person. Is it the dog's fault? Yes. Are you at fault? Also yes. It doesn't matter if the rock that was thrown was a golden nugget. If he didn't poke the hornet nest with so little care and consideration, there wouldn't be a riot. Do'nt forget he knew this would provoke a violent response from muslims. No riot, no cover for assassination even if there was one. Meanwhile this guy goes into hiding and claims no responsibility. You tell me why this talentless hack do not deserve some blame? Many fools live in this world, are governments responsible? The guy is obviously a dick but the people killing because of a insignificant video are 100% to blame. | ||
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screamingpalm
United States1527 Posts
On September 14 2012 01:47 unkkz wrote: So one cannot criticize islam, ever? Simply because you might offend muslims or for fear of the aftermath? Don't get me wrong from what i've seen of this movie so far it is anything but a legitimate movie using proper argumentation etc but it's still just that - a movie even if it's a biased pile of dung. I dont think he deserves any blame because guess what, as bad and poorly acted, written, filmed and produced that movie is it is still a movie and it is still freedom of speech being used. I don't know if it can be considered racist/hatecrime etc that would remove it from freedom of speech but still - it's a freaking movie, and an incredibly poorly made one at that. The protests are ridicilous. Totally agree with you, but at the same time, let's not treat this in a bubble either. The straw that broke the camel's back was only a straw, after all. | ||
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ddrddrddrddr
1344 Posts
On September 14 2012 01:47 unkkz wrote: So one cannot criticize islam, ever? Simply because you might offend muslims or for fear of the aftermath? Don't get me wrong from what i've seen of this movie so far it is anything but a legitimate movie using proper argumentation etc but it's still just that - a movie even if it's a biased pile of dung. I dont think he deserves any blame because guess what, as bad and poorly acted, written, filmed and produced that movie is it is still a movie and it is still freedom of speech being used. I don't know if it can be considered racist/hatecrime etc that would remove it from freedom of speech but still - it's a freaking movie, and an incredibly poorly made one at that. The protests are ridicilous. If you do it knowing full well the aftermaths, then you better have a good explanation for it. Unless you're willing to martyr yourself for the cause of free speech, don't do it. I blame him for being a coward, effectively making the world his meat shield against Muslims angry over something HE did. Many people who participated in draw Mohammad day showed their faces and stood up for what they believed in. They did it as a group effort. It was something productive. This video is pure crap and it's not even educational. He didn't make much of a point and he got people killed while knowing it. Then he shirked all responsibility and ran away. If I'm angry over anything, it's over uncaring cowardice. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On September 14 2012 01:47 unkkz wrote: So one cannot criticize islam, ever? Simply because you might offend muslims or for fear of the aftermath? Don't get me wrong from what i've seen of this movie so far it is anything but a legitimate movie using proper argumentation etc but it's still just that - a movie even if it's a biased pile of dung. I dont think he deserves any blame because guess what, as bad and poorly acted, written, filmed and produced that movie is it is still a movie and it is still freedom of speech being used. I don't know if it can be considered racist/hatecrime etc that would remove it from freedom of speech but still - it's a freaking movie, and an incredibly poorly made one at that. The protests are ridicilous. Well one aspect of the movie is certainly worthy of protest-the director used actors, lied to them about what the movie would be about, and dubbed over their lines. It's one thing to have freedom of speech, it's another to falsely use other people as a platform to express your beliefs and lie to them about it. That's the strangest part of this whole debacle to me. | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
On September 14 2012 01:41 ddrddrddrddr wrote: You throw a rock at a rabid dog and then run away. The dog bites the nearest person. Is it the dog's fault? Yes. Are you at fault? Also yes. It doesn't matter if the rock that was thrown was a golden nugget. If he didn't poke the hornet nest with so little care and consideration, there wouldn't be a riot. Do'nt forget he knew this would provoke a violent response from muslims. No riot, no cover for assassination even if there was one. Meanwhile this guy goes into hiding and claims no responsibility. You tell me why this talentless hack do not deserve some blame? So you are comparing muslims to rabid dogs eh? Racist. No but seriously people are entitled to their opinions and also entitled to make terrible movies spouting their ridiculous views. By our cultural standards these rioters look like hypersensitive babies, but by their standards we look like we are trying to start a war with them by provoking them with insults to their god. It would be nice if the rioters understood that these stupid videos are not sanctioned by the US government, or representative of the US in any way, but they just cant understand that the actions of an individual =/= actions of the state. It's a real shame that such simple cultural misunderstandings lead to violence  | ||
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s3rp
Germany3192 Posts
On September 14 2012 02:08 PassiveAce wrote: So you are comparing muslims to rabid dogs eh? Racist. No but seriously people are entitled to their opinions and also entitled to make terrible movies spouting their ridiculous views. By our cultural standards these rioters look like hypersensitive babies, but by their standards we look like we are trying to start a war with them by provoking them with insults to their god. It would be nice if the rioters understood that these stupid videos are not sanctioned by the US government, or representative of the US in any way, but they just cant understand that the actions of an individual =/= actions of the state. It's a real shame that such simple cultural misunderstandings lead to violence I've read that alot of protesters never even saw the movie. ALot of them got riled up by some religious groups that told them about it and that is was an actual real movie that was shown and publicized in the U.S with goverment help. The fact that its just about the worst movie ever produced ( even THOUGH appearently someone paid 5 millions dollars for this crap as a sponsor ( man he got scammed bigtime ^^ ) ) and basically nobody knows this movie existed besides some nutjobs was not mentioned to them. | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On September 12 2012 20:19 ELA wrote: And on september fucking 11th as well... Im not american, but im fuming right now... Did you guys see the pictures of your half naked ambassador being dragged around by a mob?? Faith in the Arab Spring = gone This is definitely late, but I wanted to correct this. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/13/christopher-stevens-graphic-photo-papers_n_1880548.html The original source for the photos says that the people in the picture were trying to help the Ambassador after the attack. That wasn't a mob dragging him around -_- | ||
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kamikami
France1057 Posts
If yes they don't have right to whine about other countries making movies bashing their religion. There's no justification for the killings. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
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dpurple
Turkmenistan592 Posts
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Voltaire
United States1485 Posts
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ranshaked
United States870 Posts
You can't reason with radical Islamists. It's a pity that the innocents are stuck in the middle. | ||
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s3rp
Germany3192 Posts
On September 14 2012 03:51 ranshaked wrote: Time to take all Americans out of the middle east, cut trade with them, stop funding them, and bring our troops home! You can't reason with radical Islamists. It's a pity that the innocents are stuck in the middle. Have fun without any oil from the middle east. Your own resources are not nearly suffiecient enough to withstand the demand even if you started drilling everywhere possible. Gas prices would explode in the US and not just those. Hell with the oil companies/republicans basically blocking/ignoring renewable enegy development you'll even get problems with your energy management. | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
On September 14 2012 04:05 s3rp wrote: Have fun without any oil from the middle east. Your own resources are not nearly suffiecient enough to withstand the demand even if you started drilling everywhere possible. Gas prices would explode in the US and not just those. Hell with the oil companies/republicans basically blocking/ignoring renewable enegy development you'll even get problems with your energy management. the US gets around 15% of it's oil from the middle East, almost all of it from Saudi Arabia. | ||
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