• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 13:55
CEST 19:55
KST 02:55
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins Maestros of the Game 236ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7
Community News
BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion5BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion5Weekly Cups (June 29-July 5): Solar Doubles0MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon445.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes40
StarCraft 2
General
Most successful SC2 players of Q2 2026 Serral wins Maestros of the Game 2 MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon Is the larve respawn broken? 5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start)
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event GSL CK #5 Race War HomeStory Cup 29 Vespene Cup #1 — $300+ USD, July 10 Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
Mutation # 533 Die Together The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool Starcraft vs Retro Category on Twitch
Tourneys
IPSL Spring 2026 Top 4! [ASL22] Wildcard Qualifier [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Summer Games Done Quick 2026! Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Power Rank Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Tennis[sport] Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard? Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Major Shifts in the Gaming I…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 3725 users

U.S. ambassador to Libya killed in rocket attack - Page 26

Forum Index > General Forum
Post a Reply
Prev 1 24 25 26 27 28 44 Next All
Please don't use this thread as a platform to argue about religion. -semioldguy
Sanctimonius
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom861 Posts
September 13 2012 19:17 GMT
#501
On September 14 2012 03:39 kamikami wrote:
Seriously in Arab countries do they make movies that attack other religions ?
If yes they don't have right to whine about other countries making movies bashing their religion.
There's no justification for the killings.


I don't think they have any justification whether or not they make videos. It's a fucking video, I don't care what it says, that is never a justification for attacking people, for violence, for killing a man.

As for the guy who make the video - well, you finally achieved what you wanted. You wanted to incite hatred, violence, anger, you wanted your name in the press. Don't give me shit about this being freedom of speech - you make a video that attacks Islam you know that there will be repercussions, justified or not. This death is entirely on your head, as much as it is on those who attacked the embassy.

This is why Europe has rules against inciting hatred and attacking religions. Frankly free speech is used to protect bigots in this country, who can then hide from the fallout of their hateful actions. RIP Mr Stevens, my thoughts with your family.
You live the life you choose.
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
September 13 2012 19:36 GMT
#502
On September 14 2012 04:15 DannyJ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 04:05 s3rp wrote:
On September 14 2012 03:51 ranshaked wrote:
Time to take all Americans out of the middle east, cut trade with them, stop funding them, and bring our troops home!

You can't reason with radical Islamists. It's a pity that the innocents are stuck in the middle.


Have fun without any oil from the middle east. Your own resources are not nearly suffiecient enough to withstand the demand even if you started drilling everywhere possible. Gas prices would explode in the US and not just those. Hell with the oil companies/republicans basically blocking/ignoring renewable enegy development you'll even get problems with your energy management.


the US gets around 15% of it's oil from the middle East, almost all of it from Saudi Arabia.


Thats still a substantial amount that would not be so easy to replace without major increases in gas/oil prices.
dp
Profile Joined August 2003
United States234 Posts
September 13 2012 19:41 GMT
#503
Situations like this always remind me of Super Best Friends episode of South Park. Pre-9/11 insults to Muhammad were not a big deal. Sure it wasn't as demeaning, but still.. No large backlash, no protests around the world. And that is fucking South Park. This is a youtube video no one knew existed until this became news.

People also need to relax about the protesters actions. The incident in Libya seems to be more of a preplanned military style assault that happened to gain easier cover under a protest. Besides that specific action, the others seem tame. I have seen worse fall out after soccer games, and with more casualties. Yet I don't hear people talking about how soccer fans are inherently violent, and should start watching a new sport. People get mad, vent their frustrations and move on with their lives.

Some people will use it for their own devices. Others will simply let that anger burn out.
:o
Brindled
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States508 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 19:50:17
September 13 2012 19:44 GMT
#504
OP, Please put this in your first post. I think it's important.

'This does not represent us': Pro-American rallies in Libya after terrorist attack that killed ambassador Chris Stevens

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2202857/This-does-represent-Pro-American-rallies-Libya-terrorist-attack-killed-ambassador-Chris-Stevens.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
Pro-American supporters have taken to the streets in Libya today to distance themselves from the rocket attack which killed U.S. ambassador Chris Stevens.

The diplomat, who has campaigned for peace in the Middle East, was killed by militants in the city of Benghazi on Tuesday.

Youngsters were among those who waved placards which stated 'this does not represent us' to express their dismay at the attacks.

One photograph shows a child holding a banner, which although containing some spelling mistakes had a clear message: 'Sorry people of America this is not the behaviour of our Islam and prophet,' it read.

Scribbled on another sign was the simple phrase 'Benghazi is against terrorism' while a third professed affection for the 52-year-old exclaiming: 'Chris Stevens was a friend to all Libyans.'

A placard written in Arabic sent out a message to those attempting to exert their power on the war-torn country.

It said: 'No to al Qaeda, no to violence, this is a youth revolution.'

Another read: 'No No No to Al Qaeda.'

The rally came the day after Mr Stevens became the first U.S. ambassador to be killed by terrorism in 33 years.

Stevens was struck down in a rocket attack by forces unleashed after Muammar Gaddafi's power crumbled - an uprising the ambassador had strongly supported.


Edit: Yes, I know this is the daily mail. -_- Putting up similar article from different source.
'This Does Not Represent Us': Moving Photos of Pro-American Rallies in Libya
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/09/does-not-represent-us-moving-photos-pro-american-rallies-libya/56803/
Just like not all Americans are like the people who made the weird anti-Islam movie that is sparking protests in Muslim nations, not all people in Libya are like the ones who killed U.S. ambassador Chris Stevens. Some of the people of Benghazi, where Stevens was killed, held a demonstration against terrorism and to show sympathy for the U.S. Libya Alhurra TV, an Internet TV channel founded at the start of the Arab Spring in 2011, posted Facebook photos of a rally there showing support for America and sympathy for Stevens. Here are some of those pictures:

Update: With the help from The Atlantic's multilingual Heather Horn and some Facebook commenters, we have a few translations of the Arabic signs.

Pictures are the same!
Ua Mau ke Ea o ka ʻĀina i ka Pono @TL_Brindled11
wUndertUnge
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1125 Posts
September 13 2012 19:45 GMT
#505
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/09/13/nakoula_basseley_nakoula_sam_bacile_innocence_of_muslims_filmmaker_ided_by_the_associated_press_.html

Just an update that they found the guy who made this film. Surprise, surprise, he has a criminal past and he's a fundamentalist Christian with an explicit anti-Islam stance. He even went to the guy who burned the Koran a few years ago to help promote the film.

Scum.
Clan: QQGC - wundertunge#1850
TL+ Member
screamingpalm
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1527 Posts
September 13 2012 19:47 GMT
#506
Reuters reporting that Libya has arrested four "suspected of helping instigate the events at the U.S. Consulate".
MMT University is coming! http://www.mmtuniversity.org/
FlilFlam
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada109 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 19:54:20
September 13 2012 19:48 GMT
#507
This video scares me...

This thread scares me...

This planet scares me...

As an atheist I do however find it darkly amusing that the overboiling pot of religious hatred from all sides is going to fulfill their own prophecies and fuck up the world's people beyond reasonable repair when the very point and stated purpose of a religious instiution is to "save the world and its people, and generally make it a better, happier, place".

RIP to the victims...

Violence, murder and general harm are abhorrent in all forms outside the narrowest limits of self defense.

The world grows darker...

User was warned for this post
vidi, vici, veni
Brindled
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States508 Posts
September 13 2012 19:49 GMT
#508
On September 14 2012 04:48 FlilFlam wrote:
This video scares me...

This thread scares me...

This planet scares me...

As an atheist I do however find it darkly amusing that the overboiling pot of religious hatred from all sides is going to fulfill their own prophecies and fuck up the world's people beyond reasonable repair when the very point and stated purpose of a religious instiutions is to "save the world and its people, and generally make it a better, happier, place".

RIP to the victims...

Violence, murder and general harm are abhorrent in all forms outside the narrowest limits of self defense.

The world grows darker...


Friend, I think you should look at my post above. The pictures in my news links may make you smile.
Ua Mau ke Ea o ka ʻĀina i ka Pono @TL_Brindled11
Silidons
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2813 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 20:42:20
September 13 2012 20:41 GMT
#509
On September 14 2012 04:49 Brindled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 04:48 FlilFlam wrote:
This video scares me...

This thread scares me...

This planet scares me...

As an atheist I do however find it darkly amusing that the overboiling pot of religious hatred from all sides is going to fulfill their own prophecies and fuck up the world's people beyond reasonable repair when the very point and stated purpose of a religious instiutions is to "save the world and its people, and generally make it a better, happier, place".

RIP to the victims...

Violence, murder and general harm are abhorrent in all forms outside the narrowest limits of self defense.

The world grows darker...


Friend, I think you should look at my post above. The pictures in my news links may make you smile.

Can you explain to me how those people, and those who fly planes into buildings, and kill innocent people just because they're American and someone in America made a film about their religion, both get their faith from the same exact book? Those same people in the pictures you posted are against free speech. The women are covered up, and they would not like it if you drew a picture of their prophet. They won't kill you (like the "extremists" do) but they still are not in touch with the 21st century and the implied rights that it comes with in a large majority of nations around the world. Islam in its current form is not viable in the 21st century.

edit: I hope this doesn't go against the note at the top of the thread, but I don't see how this isn't a religious discussion when the intent is entirely religious. Please just erase my post if this goes against it.
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon Bonaparte
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
September 13 2012 20:51 GMT
#510
On September 14 2012 05:41 Silidons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 04:49 Brindled wrote:
On September 14 2012 04:48 FlilFlam wrote:
This video scares me...

This thread scares me...

This planet scares me...

As an atheist I do however find it darkly amusing that the overboiling pot of religious hatred from all sides is going to fulfill their own prophecies and fuck up the world's people beyond reasonable repair when the very point and stated purpose of a religious instiutions is to "save the world and its people, and generally make it a better, happier, place".

RIP to the victims...

Violence, murder and general harm are abhorrent in all forms outside the narrowest limits of self defense.

The world grows darker...


Friend, I think you should look at my post above. The pictures in my news links may make you smile.

Can you explain to me how those people, and those who fly planes into buildings, and kill innocent people just because they're American and someone in America made a film about their religion, both get their faith from the same exact book? Those same people in the pictures you posted are against free speech. The women are covered up, and they would not like it if you drew a picture of their prophet. They won't kill you (like the "extremists" do) but they still are not in touch with the 21st century and the implied rights that it comes with in a large majority of nations around the world. Islam in its current form is not viable in the 21st century.

edit: I hope this doesn't go against the note at the top of the thread, but I don't see how this isn't a religious discussion when the intent is entirely religious. Please just erase my post if this goes against it.

they get their faith from the same book, the same way the Westboro Baptist Church and Mother Teresa get their faith from the same book. being from the same religion does not mean you share all the same views any more than being an atheist means I share views with Stalin.
DJ – do you like ramen, Savior? Savior – not really. Bisu – I eat it often. Flash – I’m a maniac! | Foxer Fighting!
Brindled
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States508 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 20:53:32
September 13 2012 20:53 GMT
#511
On September 14 2012 05:41 Silidons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 04:49 Brindled wrote:
On September 14 2012 04:48 FlilFlam wrote:
This video scares me...

This thread scares me...

This planet scares me...

As an atheist I do however find it darkly amusing that the overboiling pot of religious hatred from all sides is going to fulfill their own prophecies and fuck up the world's people beyond reasonable repair when the very point and stated purpose of a religious instiutions is to "save the world and its people, and generally make it a better, happier, place".

RIP to the victims...

Violence, murder and general harm are abhorrent in all forms outside the narrowest limits of self defense.

The world grows darker...


Friend, I think you should look at my post above. The pictures in my news links may make you smile.

Can you explain to me how those people, and those who fly planes into buildings, and kill innocent people just because they're American and someone in America made a film about their religion, both get their faith from the same exact book? Those same people in the pictures you posted are against free speech. The women are covered up, and they would not like it if you drew a picture of their prophet. They won't kill you (like the "extremists" do) but they still are not in touch with the 21st century and the implied rights that it comes with in a large majority of nations around the world. Islam in its current form is not viable in the 21st century.

edit: I hope this doesn't go against the note at the top of the thread, but I don't see how this isn't a religious discussion when the intent is entirely religious. Please just erase my post if this goes against it.


I don't want to argue religion. I'm just presenting another side to the story.
Ua Mau ke Ea o ka ʻĀina i ka Pono @TL_Brindled11
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
September 13 2012 21:02 GMT
#512
On September 14 2012 05:41 Silidons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 04:49 Brindled wrote:
On September 14 2012 04:48 FlilFlam wrote:
This video scares me...

This thread scares me...

This planet scares me...

As an atheist I do however find it darkly amusing that the overboiling pot of religious hatred from all sides is going to fulfill their own prophecies and fuck up the world's people beyond reasonable repair when the very point and stated purpose of a religious instiutions is to "save the world and its people, and generally make it a better, happier, place".

RIP to the victims...

Violence, murder and general harm are abhorrent in all forms outside the narrowest limits of self defense.

The world grows darker...


Friend, I think you should look at my post above. The pictures in my news links may make you smile.

Can you explain to me how those people, and those who fly planes into buildings, and kill innocent people just because they're American and someone in America made a film about their religion, both get their faith from the same exact book? Those same people in the pictures you posted are against free speech. The women are covered up, and they would not like it if you drew a picture of their prophet. They won't kill you (like the "extremists" do) but they still are not in touch with the 21st century and the implied rights that it comes with in a large majority of nations around the world. Islam in its current form is not viable in the 21st century.

edit: I hope this doesn't go against the note at the top of the thread, but I don't see how this isn't a religious discussion when the intent is entirely religious. Please just erase my post if this goes against it.


They don't get their views/faith from the same book. All of the extrememists get their views from radical "clerks" that interpret scripture written over a millenium ago in way that is not appropriate anymore. These are the kind people that radicalize others to widen their own influence. Extremism in general is wrong and produces nutjob foundamentalists.

neversummer
Profile Joined September 2011
United States156 Posts
September 13 2012 21:16 GMT
#513
On September 14 2012 06:02 s3rp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 05:41 Silidons wrote:
On September 14 2012 04:49 Brindled wrote:
On September 14 2012 04:48 FlilFlam wrote:
This video scares me...

This thread scares me...

This planet scares me...

As an atheist I do however find it darkly amusing that the overboiling pot of religious hatred from all sides is going to fulfill their own prophecies and fuck up the world's people beyond reasonable repair when the very point and stated purpose of a religious instiutions is to "save the world and its people, and generally make it a better, happier, place".

RIP to the victims...

Violence, murder and general harm are abhorrent in all forms outside the narrowest limits of self defense.

The world grows darker...


Friend, I think you should look at my post above. The pictures in my news links may make you smile.

Can you explain to me how those people, and those who fly planes into buildings, and kill innocent people just because they're American and someone in America made a film about their religion, both get their faith from the same exact book? Those same people in the pictures you posted are against free speech. The women are covered up, and they would not like it if you drew a picture of their prophet. They won't kill you (like the "extremists" do) but they still are not in touch with the 21st century and the implied rights that it comes with in a large majority of nations around the world. Islam in its current form is not viable in the 21st century.

edit: I hope this doesn't go against the note at the top of the thread, but I don't see how this isn't a religious discussion when the intent is entirely religious. Please just erase my post if this goes against it.


They don't get their views/faith from the same book. All of the extrememists get their views from radical "clerks" that interpret scripture written over a millenium ago in way that is not appropriate anymore. These are the kind people that radicalize others to widen their own influence. Extremism in general is wrong and produces nutjob foundamentalists.



This is pretty much spot on, although every Muslim gains some knowledge from the Qur'an, extremist or not. I can't think for the life of me the arabic word for the "clerks" you're referring to; these people do, in fact, interpret words from an ancient time and try to appropriate them, which in most cases devolves into literal interpretations due to the fact that Islamic extremism is primarily a conservative movement, to a modern context.

Everyone in this thread needs to acknowledge these terrorist acts are caused by ISLAMIC EXTREMISTS and not Muslims as a whole. By generalizing them you are no greater than the people who senselessly bash Americans for being fat and uneducated.
Those scientists better check their hypotenuses, dude.
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
September 13 2012 21:27 GMT
#514
On September 14 2012 06:16 neversummer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 06:02 s3rp wrote:
On September 14 2012 05:41 Silidons wrote:
On September 14 2012 04:49 Brindled wrote:
On September 14 2012 04:48 FlilFlam wrote:
This video scares me...

This thread scares me...

This planet scares me...

As an atheist I do however find it darkly amusing that the overboiling pot of religious hatred from all sides is going to fulfill their own prophecies and fuck up the world's people beyond reasonable repair when the very point and stated purpose of a religious instiutions is to "save the world and its people, and generally make it a better, happier, place".

RIP to the victims...

Violence, murder and general harm are abhorrent in all forms outside the narrowest limits of self defense.

The world grows darker...


Friend, I think you should look at my post above. The pictures in my news links may make you smile.

Can you explain to me how those people, and those who fly planes into buildings, and kill innocent people just because they're American and someone in America made a film about their religion, both get their faith from the same exact book? Those same people in the pictures you posted are against free speech. The women are covered up, and they would not like it if you drew a picture of their prophet. They won't kill you (like the "extremists" do) but they still are not in touch with the 21st century and the implied rights that it comes with in a large majority of nations around the world. Islam in its current form is not viable in the 21st century.

edit: I hope this doesn't go against the note at the top of the thread, but I don't see how this isn't a religious discussion when the intent is entirely religious. Please just erase my post if this goes against it.


They don't get their views/faith from the same book. All of the extrememists get their views from radical "clerks" that interpret scripture written over a millenium ago in way that is not appropriate anymore. These are the kind people that radicalize others to widen their own influence. Extremism in general is wrong and produces nutjob foundamentalists.



This is pretty much spot on, although every Muslim gains some knowledge from the Qur'an, extremist or not. I can't think for the life of me the arabic word for the "clerks" you're referring to; these people do, in fact, interpret words from an ancient time and try to appropriate them, which in most cases devolves into literal interpretations due to the fact that Islamic extremism is primarily a conservative movement, to a modern context.

Everyone in this thread needs to acknowledge these terrorist acts are caused by ISLAMIC EXTREMISTS and not Muslims as a whole. By generalizing them you are no greater than the people who senselessly bash Americans for being fat and uneducated.


The word is Imam, if you want to use the word equal to priest , but i chose not to use it . I'm not sure how many of the radical leaders are actually Imams .
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7581 Posts
September 13 2012 21:27 GMT
#515
On September 14 2012 06:27 s3rp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 06:16 neversummer wrote:
On September 14 2012 06:02 s3rp wrote:
On September 14 2012 05:41 Silidons wrote:
On September 14 2012 04:49 Brindled wrote:
On September 14 2012 04:48 FlilFlam wrote:
This video scares me...

This thread scares me...

This planet scares me...

As an atheist I do however find it darkly amusing that the overboiling pot of religious hatred from all sides is going to fulfill their own prophecies and fuck up the world's people beyond reasonable repair when the very point and stated purpose of a religious instiutions is to "save the world and its people, and generally make it a better, happier, place".

RIP to the victims...

Violence, murder and general harm are abhorrent in all forms outside the narrowest limits of self defense.

The world grows darker...


Friend, I think you should look at my post above. The pictures in my news links may make you smile.

Can you explain to me how those people, and those who fly planes into buildings, and kill innocent people just because they're American and someone in America made a film about their religion, both get their faith from the same exact book? Those same people in the pictures you posted are against free speech. The women are covered up, and they would not like it if you drew a picture of their prophet. They won't kill you (like the "extremists" do) but they still are not in touch with the 21st century and the implied rights that it comes with in a large majority of nations around the world. Islam in its current form is not viable in the 21st century.

edit: I hope this doesn't go against the note at the top of the thread, but I don't see how this isn't a religious discussion when the intent is entirely religious. Please just erase my post if this goes against it.


They don't get their views/faith from the same book. All of the extrememists get their views from radical "clerks" that interpret scripture written over a millenium ago in way that is not appropriate anymore. These are the kind people that radicalize others to widen their own influence. Extremism in general is wrong and produces nutjob foundamentalists.



This is pretty much spot on, although every Muslim gains some knowledge from the Qur'an, extremist or not. I can't think for the life of me the arabic word for the "clerks" you're referring to; these people do, in fact, interpret words from an ancient time and try to appropriate them, which in most cases devolves into literal interpretations due to the fact that Islamic extremism is primarily a conservative movement, to a modern context.

Everyone in this thread needs to acknowledge these terrorist acts are caused by ISLAMIC EXTREMISTS and not Muslims as a whole. By generalizing them you are no greater than the people who senselessly bash Americans for being fat and uneducated.


The word is Imam, if you want to use the word equal to priest , but i chose not to use it . I'm not sure how many of the radical leaders are actually Imams .


I think they are called 'mullahs'
Agathon
Profile Joined February 2011
France1505 Posts
September 13 2012 21:29 GMT
#516
On September 14 2012 05:41 Silidons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 04:49 Brindled wrote:
On September 14 2012 04:48 FlilFlam wrote:
This video scares me...

This thread scares me...

This planet scares me...

As an atheist I do however find it darkly amusing that the overboiling pot of religious hatred from all sides is going to fulfill their own prophecies and fuck up the world's people beyond reasonable repair when the very point and stated purpose of a religious instiutions is to "save the world and its people, and generally make it a better, happier, place".

RIP to the victims...

Violence, murder and general harm are abhorrent in all forms outside the narrowest limits of self defense.

The world grows darker...


Friend, I think you should look at my post above. The pictures in my news links may make you smile.

Can you explain to me how those people, and those who fly planes into buildings, and kill innocent people just because they're American and someone in America made a film about their religion, both get their faith from the same exact book? Those same people in the pictures you posted are against free speech. The women are covered up, and they would not like it if you drew a picture of their prophet. They won't kill you (like the "extremists" do) but they still are not in touch with the 21st century and the implied rights that it comes with in a large majority of nations around the world. Islam in its current form is not viable in the 21st century.

edit: I hope this doesn't go against the note at the top of the thread, but I don't see how this isn't a religious discussion when the intent is entirely religious. Please just erase my post if this goes against it.


You don't know any muslim, it's obvious. If I was you, i wouldn't speak about something I don't know. But it seems that I was grown with different values.
"C'est au pied du mur, qu'on voit le mieux...le mur".
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
September 13 2012 21:31 GMT
#517
On September 14 2012 06:27 AttackZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 06:27 s3rp wrote:
On September 14 2012 06:16 neversummer wrote:
On September 14 2012 06:02 s3rp wrote:
On September 14 2012 05:41 Silidons wrote:
On September 14 2012 04:49 Brindled wrote:
On September 14 2012 04:48 FlilFlam wrote:
This video scares me...

This thread scares me...

This planet scares me...

As an atheist I do however find it darkly amusing that the overboiling pot of religious hatred from all sides is going to fulfill their own prophecies and fuck up the world's people beyond reasonable repair when the very point and stated purpose of a religious instiutions is to "save the world and its people, and generally make it a better, happier, place".

RIP to the victims...

Violence, murder and general harm are abhorrent in all forms outside the narrowest limits of self defense.

The world grows darker...


Friend, I think you should look at my post above. The pictures in my news links may make you smile.

Can you explain to me how those people, and those who fly planes into buildings, and kill innocent people just because they're American and someone in America made a film about their religion, both get their faith from the same exact book? Those same people in the pictures you posted are against free speech. The women are covered up, and they would not like it if you drew a picture of their prophet. They won't kill you (like the "extremists" do) but they still are not in touch with the 21st century and the implied rights that it comes with in a large majority of nations around the world. Islam in its current form is not viable in the 21st century.

edit: I hope this doesn't go against the note at the top of the thread, but I don't see how this isn't a religious discussion when the intent is entirely religious. Please just erase my post if this goes against it.


They don't get their views/faith from the same book. All of the extrememists get their views from radical "clerks" that interpret scripture written over a millenium ago in way that is not appropriate anymore. These are the kind people that radicalize others to widen their own influence. Extremism in general is wrong and produces nutjob foundamentalists.



This is pretty much spot on, although every Muslim gains some knowledge from the Qur'an, extremist or not. I can't think for the life of me the arabic word for the "clerks" you're referring to; these people do, in fact, interpret words from an ancient time and try to appropriate them, which in most cases devolves into literal interpretations due to the fact that Islamic extremism is primarily a conservative movement, to a modern context.

Everyone in this thread needs to acknowledge these terrorist acts are caused by ISLAMIC EXTREMISTS and not Muslims as a whole. By generalizing them you are no greater than the people who senselessly bash Americans for being fat and uneducated.


The word is Imam, if you want to use the word equal to priest , but i chose not to use it . I'm not sure how many of the radical leaders are actually Imams .


I think they are called 'mullahs'


Well Imam is the leader of a muslim community/mosque. Mullah is just someone that studied the Koran. So both are kinda right.
TheDraken
Profile Joined July 2011
United States640 Posts
September 13 2012 21:33 GMT
#518
On September 12 2012 19:53 redviper wrote:
Its completely over the top to call the militants terrorists.

Also this is what comes from supporting the rebels in order to profit from oil.


they shot a rocket at an embassy.

terrorists.


and are you seriously trying to rationalize why they should be allowed to do something like that? wow.
fast food. y u no make me fast? <( ಠ益ಠ <)
henkel
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands146 Posts
September 13 2012 21:49 GMT
#519
For me this is purely another one of those extremist Zionist vs extremist Muslim situation.

my thoughts on this one "My son, I wouldn't touch that with a sixty-foot pole."
Zahir
Profile Joined March 2012
United States947 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 21:59:40
September 13 2012 21:59 GMT
#520
On September 14 2012 06:16 neversummer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 06:02 s3rp wrote:
On September 14 2012 05:41 Silidons wrote:
On September 14 2012 04:49 Brindled wrote:
On September 14 2012 04:48 FlilFlam wrote:
This video scares me...

This thread scares me...

This planet scares me...

As an atheist I do however find it darkly amusing that the overboiling pot of religious hatred from all sides is going to fulfill their own prophecies and fuck up the world's people beyond reasonable repair when the very point and stated purpose of a religious instiutions is to "save the world and its people, and generally make it a better, happier, place".

RIP to the victims...

Violence, murder and general harm are abhorrent in all forms outside the narrowest limits of self defense.

The world grows darker...


Friend, I think you should look at my post above. The pictures in my news links may make you smile.

Can you explain to me how those people, and those who fly planes into buildings, and kill innocent people just because they're American and someone in America made a film about their religion, both get their faith from the same exact book? Those same people in the pictures you posted are against free speech. The women are covered up, and they would not like it if you drew a picture of their prophet. They won't kill you (like the "extremists" do) but they still are not in touch with the 21st century and the implied rights that it comes with in a large majority of nations around the world. Islam in its current form is not viable in the 21st century.

edit: I hope this doesn't go against the note at the top of the thread, but I don't see how this isn't a religious discussion when the intent is entirely religious. Please just erase my post if this goes against it.


They don't get their views/faith from the same book. All of the extrememists get their views from radical "clerks" that interpret scripture written over a millenium ago in way that is not appropriate anymore. These are the kind people that radicalize others to widen their own influence. Extremism in general is wrong and produces nutjob foundamentalists.



This is pretty much spot on, although every Muslim gains some knowledge from the Qur'an, extremist or not. I can't think for the life of me the arabic word for the "clerks" you're referring to; these people do, in fact, interpret words from an ancient time and try to appropriate them, which in most cases devolves into literal interpretations due to the fact that Islamic extremism is primarily a conservative movement, to a modern context.

Everyone in this thread needs to acknowledge these terrorist acts are caused by ISLAMIC EXTREMISTS and not Muslims as a whole. By generalizing them you are no greater than the people who senselessly bash Americans for being fat and uneducated.


Well said. Condemning Islam and classifying it as "not viable in the 21st century" over the actions of a minority of extremists is like condemning Christianity due to the actions of the KKK.

http://www.bridgeport.edu/Media/Website Resources/documents/faculty/publications/intlcollege/SharedTrajectory.pdf

Yeah, I know, the kkk's heyday was like OVER FIFTY YEARS AGO. Religious toleration, including recognizing that one ought not condemn the beliefs of a largely peaceful group due to the actions of fringe extremists, ought to be an enduring concept.
What is best? To crush the Zerg, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of the Protoss.
Prev 1 24 25 26 27 28 44 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Patches Events
16:00
5400 MMR Capped Patch Clash
Liquipedia
IPSL
16:00
Ro4 M1
Dragon vs Ret
LiquipediaDiscussion
PSISTORM Gaming Misc
15:55
FSL TeamLeague s11: POG vs ASH
Freeedom32
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
elazer 317
BRAT_OK 33
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 25855
Calm 4049
Mini 817
Horang2 534
Dewaltoss 84
sSak 45
soO 41
Rock 17
IntoTheRainbow 16
Yoon 11
Dota 2
420jenkins465
Counter-Strike
fl0m1538
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu236
Other Games
singsing2566
B2W.Neo1307
Grubby630
Beastyqt468
UpATreeSC50
Trikslyr42
MindelVK9
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick36037
BasetradeTV221
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• printf 45
• OhrlRock 1
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Airneanach71
• Michael_bg 7
• Pr0nogo 4
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Other Games
• imaqtpie942
• Shiphtur183
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
15h 5m
Solar vs Rogue
Maru vs NightMare
Sparkling Tuna Cup
16h 5m
IPSL
22h 5m
Bonyth vs Hawk
GSL
1d 17h
Replay Cast
2 days
WardiTV Weekly
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
CrankTV Team League
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
[ Show More ]
CrankTV Team League
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Clem vs Lambo
Scarlett vs Cure
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S3: W2
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
YSL S3
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
ASL Season 22: Wild Card Qualifier
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026

Upcoming

CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Eternal Conflict S2 E2
Logitech G Connect 2026
StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.