EPTFor me, the guy deserves a lot of credits, it looks like he did a lot of reserch about laws, and is in no way another documentary about people that claim abandoning the capitalism world but is still governed by it. What do you guys think?
Ungrip, Independent film/documentary
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Nobu
Spain550 Posts
For me, the guy deserves a lot of credits, it looks like he did a lot of reserch about laws, and is in no way another documentary about people that claim abandoning the capitalism world but is still governed by it. What do you guys think? | ||
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Glurkenspurk
United States1915 Posts
So basically Reddit's wet dream. | ||
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
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Flamingo777
United States1190 Posts
On September 05 2012 04:15 FliedLice wrote: Blocked in Germany, he lost his fight over here. Looool..... That's pretty funny to be honest. I skimmed the video, and there was a lot of propaganda clips, and I know Germany is quite sensitive to things related to WWII, so that might be why... I don't know for sure though. | ||
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Nobu
Spain550 Posts
On September 05 2012 04:13 Glurkenspurk wrote: Watched 11 minutes of this. Judging by the term "wake us up" and other crap this just seems like another hipster trying to "fight the system." So basically Reddit's wet dream. The director of the film is clearly trying giving that look to it, but the guy that actually explains the stuff is in no way talking with that attitude of "fuck the system", he just explains a lot of stuff of the law vocabulary, like Canada not being actually a country but a corporation, due to the use of the term include. If you watch it, you may change your opinion  On September 05 2012 04:27 Flamingo777 wrote: Looool..... That's pretty funny to be honest. I skimmed the video, and there was a lot of propaganda clips, and I know Germany is quite sensitive to things related to WWII, so that might be why... I don't know for sure though. Probably is because of that, it uses a lot of clips of old movies and WWII videos, so totally could be. Working in Spain at least | ||
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_protester_arguments | ||
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
On September 05 2012 04:33 Nobu wrote: The director of the film is clearly trying giving that look to it, but the guy that actually explains the stuff is in no way talking with that attitude of "fuck the system", he just explains a lot of stuff of the law vocabulary, like Canada not being actually a country but a corporation, due to the use of the term include. If you watch it, you may change your opinion Probably is because of that, it uses a lot of clips of old movies and WWII videos, so totally could be. Working in Spain at least Well no, it's because of the GEMA, there's probably licensed music in there somewhere, so they block it in Germany. Has nothing to do with topic of the movie. | ||
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gawk
Germany310 Posts
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
But if you insist, feel free to reject capitalism and donate all your income to some charity. Isn't capitalism a lovely thing that it allows you to essentialy not take part in it? Alternatives like communism are a lot more inclusive, usually motivated by a gun in the back of your neck. Nah, feel free to rage against the system/capitalism, but I'll stay onboard till you find a real alternative. | ||
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PanzerPony
85 Posts
He himself lives in a house planned by some Mexican architect, uses tires, petrol, machinery, building materials produced by factories in (United States?). If he gets sick, he will have to choose between death and getting treatment at a hospital. This goes directly against his claim that he achieved personal freedom and independence from the "system". Well, "system" is the only reason why we are not naked, dirty, poor and uneducated Neanderthals. | ||
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Butterednuts
United States859 Posts
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TirramirooO
Portugal102 Posts
On September 05 2012 05:14 PanzerPony wrote: If he gets sick, he will have to choose between death and getting treatment at a hospital. . If you not have the money to pay the treatment or health care they will treat you? | ||
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PanzerPony
85 Posts
On September 05 2012 05:38 TirramirooO wrote: If you not have the money to the treatment they will treat you? Depends on a country. He is actually in Alberta, Canada, not sure how their health system works. Also, Canada never recognized his patch of land as an independent country, and considers it a part of its territory, and him subject to all laws and regulations that apply locally. | ||
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
On September 05 2012 05:38 TirramirooO wrote: If you not have the money to the treatment they will treat you? Depends on the sickness. They aren't going to let you bleed out, but something like cancer can be let to run its course. That said, everyone ends up paying for healthcare. It isn't free in Europe, we all pay into the system through taxes. The only difference is whether people pay collectively or individually. The only people that receive "free" healthcare are people living in 3rd world countries. Still, as said, this guy is still on the grid by being reliant on the system. It is literally on his face, I doubt he forged those glasses himself. Still, this isolationism from society isn't good. He can sustain himself with ease by using modern machines. If we all lived seperate from each other, we could never create machines. Thousands of industries rely on mitigating high start-up costs by mass-producing products and selling it to many consumers. Imagine if you just wanted to make 1 car. Imagine all the design work, gathering the materials, building the factory, all that work just to roll 1 car from the assembly line. Even if we were all supermen, we would still be poorer if isolated from each other. It isn't a shallow life either. It is what you make it. The artist has more time to create his art because he doesn't have to plow the field. The farmer's life is richer for the artwork and entertainment produced by the people he feeds. We all win. | ||
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PanzerPony
85 Posts
On September 05 2012 05:55 zalz wrote: Depends on the sickness. They aren't going to let you bleed out, but something like cancer can be let to run its course. That said, everyone ends up paying for healthcare. It isn't free in Europe, we all pay into the system through taxes. The only difference is whether people pay collectively or individually. The only people that receive "free" healthcare are people living in 3rd world countries. Still, as said, this guy is still on the grid by being reliant on the system. It is literally on his face, I doubt he forged those glasses himself. Still, this isolationism from society isn't good. He can sustain himself with ease by using modern machines. If we all lived seperate from each other, we could never create machines. Thousands of industries rely on mitigating high start-up costs by mass-producing products and selling it to many consumers. Imagine if you just wanted to make 1 car. Imagine all the design work, gathering the materials, building the factory, all that work just to roll 1 car from the assembly line. Even if we were all supermen, we would still be poorer if isolated from each other. It isn't a shallow life either. It is what you make it. The artist has more time to create his art because he doesn't have to plow the field. The farmer's life is richer for the artwork and entertainment produced by the people he feeds. We all win. I agree with this a lot. I think people like him look for an "easy solution", where he doesn't need to make hard choices, trade morality for material benefits, adapt and be useful to people around him. Even though the system is always corrupt, if you stop participating in it you also lose your ability to change it in any way. And as noted, the system didn't lose its leverage over him. Being together is hard, but there is always a way to make everyone to win. | ||
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Xpace
United States2209 Posts
Even the beneficial aspects of it... >< | ||
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