Apple has recently won its proxy war with Google and Andriod through its internatinal legal dispute with Samsung.
But the empire strikes back. And it wants to hit directly home. Google has filed suit directly against Apple in the U.S. International Trade Commission. The claim is that Apple's iPhone, iPad and iPod Touch infringe seven of the roughly 17,000 patents Google inherited when it bought Motorola Mobility just over a year ago.
We would like to settle these patent matters," said a spokesperson for Google's Motorola division, "but Apple's unwillingness to work out a license leaves us little choice but to defend ourselves and our engineers' innovations.
The patents in question involve location reminders, e-mail notifications, video playback and Siri, and were deemed serious enough to demand an import ban against nearly every iOS product Apple makes.
The Google comeback has far more dangerous implication than the one won by Apple against Samsung, The infringement is for non-standard essential patents, whoch means that Google filed a case for a patent/patents that courts cannot legally force companies to patent, meaning that if they win this case, Apple could be forced to completely stop using the patent in their devices.
And so begine the "themonuclear war" that Steve Jobs promised. Or should it have been "technonuclear".
Patent law is an amazing thing. I cannot believe apple actually went through with their lawsuit, they had to know something like this was going to happen lol. Basically, this can happen in any industry and it is essentially agreed upon that if the product isnt extremely egregious you don't go after each other.
IBM, Mercedes, etc could go after tons of people, but then were just be countersuits and everyone involved would be in litigation for decades.
wow I thought the whole google bought motorola stuff is just to show Apple that if he starts a war, both will take huge losses and so both side won't do anything. I guess even google didn't see this coming
Whoever at Apple decided that this whole legal thing was a good idea is a complete and utter moron of the highest degree.
Think of all the the things that TV's have in common, red button to remotely switch the tv off, a rectangular shaped remote device to control the tv, a red/green light that indicates the TVs current status... etc etc etc
All of this legal stuff is 100% prime, raw, undiluted BULL SHIT.
This is going to be a fun phase to watch,made me think about john carmacks quote on patents.
"The idea that I can be presented with a problem, set out to logically solve it with the tools at hand, and wind up with a program that could not be legally used because someone else followed the same logical steps some years ago and filed for a patent on it is horrifying."
Well, it's really sad, but then companies need to make money somehow, and r&d is not cheap.
Anyway lets see if google/samsung can get some ground back.
Somehow due to this legal war it feels like apple lost a lot more face. But dont think that affects the less tech savvy crowd.
On August 28 2012 14:15 googolplex wrote: Apple has recently won its proxy war with Google and Andriod through its internatinal legal dispute with Samsung.
But the empire strikes back. And it wants to hit directly home. Google has filed suit directly against Apple in the U.S. International Trade Commission. The claim is that Apple's iPhone, iPad and iPod Touch infringe seven of the roughly 17,000 patents Google inherited when it bought Motorola Mobility just over a year ago.
We would like to settle these patent matters," said a spokesperson for Google's Motorola division, "but Apple's unwillingness to work out a license leaves us little choice but to defend ourselves and our engineers' innovations.
The patents in question involve location reminders, e-mail notifications, video playback and Siri, and were deemed serious enough to demand an import ban against nearly every iOS product Apple makes.
The Google comeback has far more dangerous implication than the one won by Apple against Samsung, The infringement is for non-standard essential patents, whoch means that Google filed a case for a patent/patents that courts cannot legally force companies to patent, meaning that if they win this case, Apple could be forced to completely stop using the patent in their devices.
And so begine the "themonuclear war" that Steve Jobs promised. Or should it have been "technonuclear".
Ah, part in bold made me burst out laughing. This should be good, hopefully Google wins big. Has their been any new developments? A lot of these articles are a few days old, unless I missed something.
You guys noticed the date of the article? This is before the Apple vs. Samsung verdict, and certainly not the first Motorola vs. Apple litigation. Just another chapter of the game everybody plays.
Put down the pitchforks, no need to pull a Reddit.
With Apple suing Samsung, and now Google suing Apple, doesn't it seem like the main people who stand to benefit from this are the lawyers? Lawyer conspiracy I tell you
They patent things so obvious and basic that they shouldn't even be able to be patented and then proceed to sue each other over stupid large amounts of money while wasting federal money getting the courts to fight over it and bring in jurors.
Not to mention the obvious appeal that Samsung is planning. Especially after several jurors revealed they pretty much went against what they were told to do.
Google is finally up and suing Apple itself? Shit just got REAL ladies and gentlemen. Google has pretty much always abstained from direct confrontation with Apple, so doing this.....hooo boy.
Oooo really looking forward to work tomorrow. I'm doing a co-op at one of Apples suppliers (Broadcom - supplies their connectivity chips in all their products) and most of my co-workers are pretty deep into Apple stock.
On August 28 2012 14:53 dudeman001 wrote: I love our Google overlords to no end, but I'm still hoping for some reasonable patent reform, because this back and forth is just ridiculous.
On August 28 2012 14:54 drwiggl3s wrote: Oooo really looking forward to work tomorrow. I'm doing a co-op at one of Apples suppliers (Broadcom - supplies their connectivity chips in all their products) and most of my co-workers are pretty deep into Apple stock.
Nothing should change considering this news has been known for almost a week now.
this is very big. if you guys don`t realize, this is not only about specific features and patents, but since google phrased it as a non-standard essential, it can pertain to most of the things shared by the technology and hold them exclusive of patent which means, apple will lost everything if they lose this
On August 28 2012 14:53 dudeman001 wrote: I love our Google overlords to no end, but I'm still hoping for some reasonable patent reform, because this back and forth is just ridiculous.
I think this is one more step towards that, if Google wins and Samsung loses their appeal I think the US will have to take another good look at the way their patent system currently works and rehaul it.
On August 28 2012 14:48 Wafflelisk wrote: I seriously hope Google goes Braveheart on Apple for Samsung. Man, I wonder how much all they both spend in lawyers in a year..
I, too, hope Google wins this Great Patent War.
Apple won't be selling the Ipad/Iphones in the US if google wins, right?
On August 28 2012 14:54 drwiggl3s wrote: Oooo really looking forward to work tomorrow. I'm doing a co-op at one of Apples suppliers (Broadcom - supplies their connectivity chips in all their products) and most of my co-workers are pretty deep into Apple stock.
Nothing should change considering this news has been known for almost a week now.
Ya I'm sure nothing work wise will change, I'm just curious to see what everyone says / gossips about it since they (as with anyone else really, including myself) usually toots Apple's horn.
On August 28 2012 14:54 drwiggl3s wrote: Oooo really looking forward to work tomorrow. I'm doing a co-op at one of Apples suppliers (Broadcom - supplies their connectivity chips in all their products) and most of my co-workers are pretty deep into Apple stock.
Nothing should change considering this news has been known for almost a week now.
Ya I'm sure nothing work wise will change, I'm just curious to see what everyone says / gossips about it since they (as with anyone else really, including myself) usually toots Apple's horn.
You'd probably have heard something since last week. It's old news. Or probably you want to deliberate troll by bringing it up?
I don't get why this forum hates Apple so much. Every tech company patents stuff and tries to stop other people using their patents without paying.
I also don't understand the overpriced claims - isn't an ipad better value for money than any tablet? Isn't an iphone similar in price and capabilities to a high end android phone?
On August 28 2012 15:16 Telcontar wrote: Suck it Apple! This is what you get for poking the hornet's nest. I hope your overpriced ass burns in electronic hell!
On August 28 2012 15:24 Tal wrote: I don't get why this forum hates Apple so much. Every tech company patents stuff and tries to stop other people using their patents without paying.
What I find most funny (or sad?) is that OP deliberately wrote this as a Google counteratrack to Apple's case vs Samsung, despite the fact this news is from last week.
Giving credit where its due, nice timing. Pretty interesting how perception can be manipulated.
I also don't understand the overpriced claims - isn't an ipad better value for money than any tablet? Isn't an iphone similar in price and capabilities to a high end android phone?
On August 28 2012 15:03 brachester wrote: I'm very slow when it come to these kind of things. So what's the end result if apple/google win?
If everything go google's way, the things they listed will be banned from sale.
We all know that is not going to happen, however. One way or another it wont happen, I dont even think google wants that to happen, would put them in kinda bad light..
Should have been: Avenge Samsung, Google will; begun, the Trade Wars have.
I'm actually on Apple's side here, not only becuase I'm an iBoy. I believe Apple and Motorola have been working on a patent resolution since 2010, only that Motorola is asking for the moon. Non-standard essentials is a shady concept at this point, I won't be surprised if the court hearing will feature a lot of psychologists and anthropologists to provide statements on the natural dynamics of digital interaction and interface, as translated in the hardwares.
Should have been: Avenge Samsung, Google will; begun, the Trade Wars have.
I'm actually on Apple's side here, not only becuase I'm a iBoy. I believe Apple and Motorola have been working on a patent resolution since 2010, only that Motorola is asking for the moon. Non-standard essentials is a shady region at this point, I won't be surprised that the court hearing will feature a lot of psychologists and anthropologists to provide statements on the natural dynamics of digital interaction and interface, as translated in the hardwares.
From what I understand Motorola asked for less for there patents than Apple asked for on there patent on the rectangle.
On August 28 2012 15:24 Tal wrote: I don't get why this forum hates Apple so much. Every tech company patents stuff and tries to stop other people using their patents without paying.
I also don't understand the overpriced claims - isn't an ipad better value for money than any tablet? Isn't an iphone similar in price and capabilities to a high end android phone?
From my experience, no it is not.
Also most forums aside from pro-Apple ones usually tend to dislike Apple because of the way they conduct business. A lot of the time it's misguided anger but there are some really valid points floating around.
Oh, and if Apple can get Samsung with a bullshit 'look and feel' suit, I'm sure Google's got plenty of ammunition to make Apple's life hell. What goes around comes around!
Should have been: Avenge Samsung, Google will; begun, the Trade Wars have.
I'm actually on Apple's side here, not only becuase I'm a iBoy. I believe Apple and Motorola have been working on a patent resolution since 2010, only that Motorola is asking for the moon. Non-standard essentials is a shady region at this point, I won't be surprised that the court hearing will feature a lot of psychologists and anthropologists to provide statements on the natural dynamics of digital interaction and interface, as translated in the hardwares.
From what I understand Motorola asked for less for there patents than Apple asked for on there patent on the rectangle.
Maybe it's all about their values at the time the negotiations took place. Motorola was only recently acquired by Goggle, and Apple has so much leverage then to make the most out of the negotiation.
Apple started it so I guess it was only a matter of time before Google responded. Kinda sucks that it has to come to this. I doubt the courts and lawyers can really get a handle on this unless they are somehow very informed on the issues.
As much as I love Google and dislike Apple... I cant help but think Google is playing the good cop until they win everything, THEN they will show us their real nature. Kind of like Chancellor Palpatine!
On August 28 2012 14:36 BreakerD wrote: Hell imma make this topic epic with this.............Samsung (Johnny, Liu, Sonya), Google (Raiden), Seng Shun (Apple)
Copyright law is an absolute joke, it's almost as bad as the software patent situation...anyways at least it's Apple getting fucked over this time so I'm not THAT mad about it.
Never ending Saga continues, when will the horror end I don't like Apple, but i still don't like the way everyone is throwing around their weight abusing power. Samsung took Apple to court, Apple took Samsung to court, Apple win in America, Apple lose in Korea, now Google wants to avenge the loss in the States for Samsung, this is all silly and a never ending circle >.<
Why can't they all just sell their phones and let the "best man win" would make things alot simplier.
You know, for cool trendy new stuff like this, its really awesome that everyone is using the same patents. Because touch screen, voice control, digital sync devices are AWESOME, be they Windows, Google, Apple or Samsung.
Do you get people in Sci Fi movies bitching that their 'equivalent electronic media device' is better than others, and that others are infringing on their patents and must be banned? No, cause they're all prettymuch the same .... and they're all really cool, so I'm no too sad. I really don't like the big companies trying to be dicks and monopolize market share with THEIR equivalent device, with minor changes. Cause that means I can't try the other guy's stuff, cause it's banned ):
Patent people, how does it work in the auto industry, were lots of different brands copy and take off the same designs?
This is going to be so much more epic than KeSPA vs GOM. Someone needs to come in and do what South Korea did: Ban both companies. Not only on the older products, but their new ones too.
On August 28 2012 16:55 achan1058 wrote: This is going to be so much more epic than KeSPA vs GOM. Someone needs to come in and do what South Korea did: Ban both companies. Not only on the older products, but their new ones too.
SK did not ban Kespa nor Gom Or if you meant otherwise, they did not ban Apple or Samsung. So I dont understand what you are trying to say.
Edit: I think you are right :o Just did google search on it and it looks like both companies are banned lol. My mistake
I feel like Apple is gonna get shredded up here. They went after something very general vs Samsung. Google is targeting very little niche patents that are hard to infringe upon, and if it turns out Apple is actually infringing on all these patents, they are in for a huge loss.
Will be interesting to follow though. Sucks that stuff like this has to happen but at least it's something to pay attention to.
Patenting software functionality just makes no damn sense. How can it be done?
On August 28 2012 16:32 phodacbiet wrote: As much as I love Google and dislike Apple... I cant help but think Google is playing the good cop until they win everything, THEN they will show us their real nature. Kind of like Chancellor Palpatine!
This isn't even being a good guy here as-is now. This is fighting dirty IMO, albeit in retaliation to stupid Apple harassment. I dislike Apple, but this move by Google improve my view on Google at all (although it's still better than Apple).
Patent law for technology like mobile phones just doesn't work. Companies buying other companies just to get their patents is not what tech companies should be doing with their time and money. What they should be doing is making cool stuff, not covering their arse in case they accidentally infringe someone else's patents.
Why? Who's going to profit, the customer? Either of these companies? Google and Apple have too much money to spend, the outcome is not going to change much for them. It's just kids fighting over nonsense, at a much bigger scale.
Honestly, the amount of money being wasted with these stupid patent cases could've been so much better spent if everyone just co operated. Its like watching a running tap in your home, and not being able to close it.
On August 28 2012 17:23 zdfgucker wrote: Why? Who's going to profit, the customer? Either of these companies? Google and Apple have too much money to spend, the outcome is not going to change much for them. It's just kids fighting over nonsense, at a much bigger scale.
On August 28 2012 17:43 vthree wrote: Not sure why everyone is thinking Google is suing as revenge for Samsung specifically. Motorola was suing Apple before they were purchased by Google.
I think Google is not revenging Samsung itself but they want to secure its huge Android market share in the US. A sales ban on their biggest "user" would harm them tremendously.
Specifically to avenge Samsung? No. But I do think the timing gives off the vibe of a dick measuring contest. Apple wants to go around suing companies and Google just looked in its pants and said "oh yeah? check this shit out!" Time for the big kid down the street to come out and play.
do NOT fuck with google samsung as user of googles androide will strike back here ! i would never buy any apple stuff because of all the millions of lawthings they always do to destroy everything not apple conform and also their system is close not free its just ... androide so much more free (ofc isnt totaly free because they wanna make money but come on .. . gogo samsung gogo google!
Google lawyer to jury member: Psst. Sir? You see this folder? Yeah we have some searches you made the 28th June 2007. Do you want your family to see the donkey? Do you!? If you know whats good for you...
On August 28 2012 17:59 CoR wrote: do NOT fuck with google samsung as user of googles androide will strike back here ! i would never buy any apple stuff because of all the millions of lawthings they always do to destroy everything not apple conform and also their system is close not free its just ... androide so much more free (ofc isnt totaly free because they wanna make money but come on .. . gogo samsung gogo google!
Actually google doesnt want to make money from you, they just want to make it of you, cause you are their product an all you know
And they still make more money from iOS than Android, i find that quite funny
So here's the debate... Is it the noble cause, or the $$$/actual patent cause as the motive of this?
Is this having to do with google doing this for the industry and suing Apple to send a message and say "Hey, its not cool just going around and suing your closest competitors to try to deal with them that way"...
Or is it more along the lines of Google thinking "Oh, good idea... So if they beat samsung, then maybe we can do the same to them"
Exactly why Google brought Motorola in the first place, Google are not a company that are easy to respect, pretty much everything they have ever done is based on others ideas, all of these companies are hypocrites
On August 28 2012 20:53 Gahlo wrote: Yeeeeeeah buddy, toss the rotten fruit.
My thoughts exactly.
This is like a battle of the two super corporations here. I hope Google wins, but I hate to see any corporation have so much power honestly... the influence of these companies is getting enormous.
Some one a couple of pages brought up a good point. How do other producers deal with these patent laws, tv and car manufacturers for example? anyone know anything about this? vaguely remember reading something about a gentlemans agreement but am unsure.
I checked some of the links in the OP and most of them are about 2 weeks old. Any update on this "war"? Google knew Apple won a small but important battle recently so...
I hope Apple gets beat up hard. It made me sick in the first place to see Apple as one of the biggest rip-offs, blaming others for stealing their so called 'innovations'. Apple has been doing the same things in the past, and the recent win in the court didnt really take things the right way. American company vs a Korean company on American soil, with a jury that was completely clueless about the issue (at least according to the news).
I hope google wins and drives Apple into the ground.
On August 28 2012 22:06 Ratch! wrote: Do this battles give any benefit to the costumers?
The battle itself doesn't (it causes nothing but problems), but if it can be stopped, it can stop apple and companies like them from doing shit like this. That would be just swell.
On August 28 2012 22:42 NeMeSiS3 wrote: When you play a game of phones you win or you die
lolol good one
I know I'm stating the obvious, but it seems the patent laws need to be reformed. I'd like to see a debate between whether ideas or implementation should be the patent-able part (In the US right now it's purely the ideas which is bad...). Perhaps both can claim a share, and if they don't mutually agree on the sharing a court decides on the % share with a penalty for the party who wanted an unfairly large portion.
On August 28 2012 21:45 sk1nex wrote: I hope Apple gets beat up hard. It made me sick in the first place to see Apple as one of the biggest rip-offs, blaming others for stealing their so called 'innovations'. Apple has been doing the same things in the past, and the recent win in the court didnt really take things the right way. American company vs a Korean company on American soil, with a jury that was completely clueless about the issue (at least according to the news).
Hope they end up paying big money for this.
What are you talking about? The judge was a Korean who had ruled against Apple in the past. You can't seriously believe that the ruling was because of bias. As for the jury, go after the judicial system if you want.
I'd pay money to be in the room when the Apple and Google attornies met for the first time. The tension between the giants must be thick. And that would be a lot of talent in one room...
Apple has recently won its proxy war with Google and Andriod through its internatinal legal dispute with Samsung.
But the empire strikes back. And it wants to hit directly home. Google has filed suit directly against Apple in the U.S. International Trade Commission.
So Google is synonymous with a evil empire with genocide on its list? It's rather offensive as Google's motto is, don't be evil.
Google is like the one power I would want to be the "abstergo" of the world or "umbrella" just controlling everything I mean... It just always seems to do shit right on. <3 Google don't disappoint.
Apple has recently won its proxy war with Google and Andriod through its internatinal legal dispute with Samsung.
But the empire strikes back. And it wants to hit directly home. Google has filed suit directly against Apple in the U.S. International Trade Commission.
So Google is synonymous with a evil empire with genocide on its list? It's rather offensive as Google's motto is, don't be evil.
Empires awesome man, they're the ones with the cookies !!!
Actually Google are the evil guys. They had a rat in apples administration positions and pushed the lawsuit against Samsung from inside Apple. In addition to that, they made Apple WIN the case (evil Google money can do this stuff). NOW google sues Apple and from the results of the previous case they legally CAN NOT lose.
BADUM Google has removed their biggest counterpart on a broad variiety of products.
On August 28 2012 23:41 craaaaack wrote: CONSPIRACY THEORY:
Actually Google are the evil guys. They had a rat in apples administration positions and pushed the lawsuit against Samsung from inside Apple. In addition to that, they made Apple WIN the case (evil Google money can do this stuff). NOW google sues Apple and from the results of the previous case they legally CAN NOT lose.
BADUM Google has removed their biggest counterpart on a broad variiety of products.
Wow were you on craaaaack when u came up with that?
On August 28 2012 23:16 NeMeSiS3 wrote: Google is like the one power I would want to be the "abstergo" of the world or "umbrella" just controlling everything I mean... It just always seems to do shit right on. <3 Google don't disappoint.
I agree. I hope Google crushes apple and takes over everything they have, then discovers a bunch of evidence that Steve Jobs has been stealing other people's ideas for decades!!! >:D
On August 28 2012 22:06 Ratch! wrote: Do this battles give any benefit to the costumers?
Yes, it brings Apple closer to falling out of business.
Awesome. Always liked Google, always disliked Apple. It seems to be pretty common here or on any forum that has tech savvy people on it too. Wonder why.
On August 28 2012 23:41 craaaaack wrote: CONSPIRACY THEORY:
Actually Google are the evil guys. They had a rat in apples administration positions and pushed the lawsuit against Samsung from inside Apple. In addition to that, they made Apple WIN the case (evil Google money can do this stuff). NOW google sues Apple and from the results of the previous case they legally CAN NOT lose.
BADUM Google has removed their biggest counterpart on a broad variiety of products.
Wow were you on craaaaack when u came up with that?
Apple has recently won its proxy war with Google and Andriod through its internatinal legal dispute with Samsung.
But the empire strikes back. And it wants to hit directly home. Google has filed suit directly against Apple in the U.S. International Trade Commission.
So Google is synonymous with a evil empire with genocide on its list? It's rather offensive as Google's motto is, don't be evil.
Google's "Don't be Evil" is a hollow leftover of what it used to mean. They have no problem violating user privacy even against the user's will to mine more and more data.
On August 29 2012 00:40 jinorazi wrote: Question is...if google has definite upper hand, will google agree to settlement or want apple products off the shelves
If I was google I'd want apple right off the shelves... make them restart from scratch essentially. Less competition = more money then a settlement could ever get you...
Go Go Google Hwaiting
Muahaha what will the poor hipsters do when they can't buy an overpriced apple product every couple of months??
On August 29 2012 00:40 jinorazi wrote: Question is...if google has definite upper hand, will google agree to settlement or want apple products off the shelves
All about the money.
It's really all depends on the analysts. Who will recognize they are winning and will pounce on it. Depending on the strength of their case, I don't ever see the winning side do anything else but obliterate the other. I mean that will open the market wide open. The only reason that this will go to a settlement is that if both have an even chance and there is more to lose in a prolonged legal battle than in meeting halfway. As long as there are no mergers, either result is fine by me.
War of the megacorporations. It starts with the patent disputes. Then the corporate-funded hackers start harassing the servers, digging for sensitive information and sabotaging enemy systems. Then they send in the operatives - surgically modified, cybernetically enhanced vat-grown superhumans completely under the control of the central corporate AI.
Man, I love cyberpunk!
That said, hopefully this entire charade will force some changes to the patent system.
On August 29 2012 01:33 plated.rawr wrote: War of the megacorporations. It starts with the patent disputes. Then the corporate-funded hackers start harassing the servers, digging for sensitive information and sabotaging enemy systems. Then they send in the operatives - surgically modified, cybernetically enhanced vat-grown superhumans completely under the control of the central corporate AI.
Man, I love cyberpunk!
That said, hopefully this entire charade will force some changes to the patent system.
You've been playing a little bit too much deus ex sir.
On August 29 2012 00:11 Damrak wrote: Don't know bout you guys, but I'm on google/samsung's side
Apple is going berzerk with stupid patents.
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if someone patented the round wheel, forcing everyone else to use up to 21 sided wheels for their cars.
It's stupid and it slows down technological advancements. All for the sake of money.
And who started all of this?? Why, the richest company in the USA! Because clearly they NEED more money.
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Patents actually give many small development firms leverage which they would never get in a world without patents.
The alternatives are copyright and trade secrets, both of which are probably more inhibitive to tech advancement.
Is anyone seriously naive enough to think that most things would be open source? Good luck getting funding and investors.
Software patents are completely different. They are 'supposed' to protect R and D but all they really do is kill competition (which is bad for customers if you didn' t know). A software copyright on the code is a much better solution, although definitely not a perfect one.
And the truth is patents own small developers face. It's the reason why many get shutdown. It seems like it might be a good idea, 'oh I got this sick idea let's patent it'. Problem is, giant companies like IBM have patents that nearly every single software program ever written infringes on. For example, I believe IBM has a patent for returning negative values as an error. This is somewhat of a staple in programming (if you didn't know).
This is only an example but there are tons of these. If you are the small guy and you get a software patent and some big guy takes your idea and you sue them with your patent, they will countersue you with their 17,000 patents you infringe on. Or if they like your idea and just want to put you out of business they can just by sueing you. You don't have the money to fight back, and you don't have the money to license their patent.
tl;dr software patents don't help small companies.
EDIT PS:
I can tell you why Apple is suing them, it was Steve Jobs pushing for it. If you read his book you will find out how narcissistic he was. He truly believes he owns everything.
It was obvious this would happen when Apple sued Samsung over patents they themselves didn't invent. They should have been smarter than to open Pandora's box.
some of the patent rules (touch and feel etc) feel out of dated in the modern world. such problems are rather common in law. expect some of this stuff to get seen by higher courts. the first case is not that consequential in the grand scheme of things.
"The infringement is for non-standard essential patents, whoch means that Google filed a case for a patent/patents that courts cannot legally force companies to patent, meaning that if they win this case, Apple could be forced to completely stop using the patent in their devices."
I don't know anything about law so it doesn't make much sense to me.
As an app developer and getting paid by both Apple and Google, I feel like I am in the lose/lose situation here. If Google destroys apple then there goes my lifestyle of having only to work 2 hours a week while making 15k a month will be gone... and vice versa.
I don't want to work again..
I simply need them both to co-operate. Its a sad day for me, but given that Apple gives me 3 times more revenue than what Google pays me, Im going to side with Apple on this one due to the fact that they just give me more money....
There are like 80,000 patents related to mobile communication. How in shit are you supposed to make anything with that many patents? "Already been patented" is the new "simpsons already did it"
On August 29 2012 03:35 FoxerGames wrote: As an app developer and getting paid by both Apple and Google, I feel like I am in the lose/lose situation here. If Google destroys apple then there goes my lifestyle of having only to work 2 hours a week while making 15k a month will be gone... and vice versa.
I don't want to work again..
I simply need them both to co-operate. Its a sad day for me, but given that Apple gives me 3 times more revenue than what Google pays me, Im going to side with Apple on this one due to the fact that they just give me more money....
People get made redundant all the time. And anyway, whoever loses will almost certainly not close their app marketplaces or anything like that. This is a war being waged "for the consumer." App developers need not worry.
On August 29 2012 03:35 FoxerGames wrote: As an app developer and getting paid by both Apple and Google, I feel like I am in the lose/lose situation here. If Google destroys apple then there goes my lifestyle of having only to work 2 hours a week while making 15k a month will be gone... and vice versa.
I don't want to work again..
I simply need them both to co-operate. Its a sad day for me, but given that Apple gives me 3 times more revenue than what Google pays me, Im going to side with Apple on this one due to the fact that they just give me more money....
Glad to see you're putting a lot of effort into society these days. ^^ lol
On August 29 2012 03:35 FoxerGames wrote: As an app developer and getting paid by both Apple and Google, I feel like I am in the lose/lose situation here. If Google destroys apple then there goes my lifestyle of having only to work 2 hours a week while making 15k a month will be gone... and vice versa.
I don't want to work again..
I simply need them both to co-operate. Its a sad day for me, but given that Apple gives me 3 times more revenue than what Google pays me, Im going to side with Apple on this one due to the fact that they just give me more money....
People get made redundant all the time. And anyway, whoever loses will almost certainly not close their app marketplaces or anything like that. This is a war being waged "for the consumer." App developers need not worry.
Well I don't think I will make myself redundant (I'm my own boss lol).
On August 29 2012 03:35 FoxerGames wrote: As an app developer and getting paid by both Apple and Google, I feel like I am in the lose/lose situation here. If Google destroys apple then there goes my lifestyle of having only to work 2 hours a week while making 15k a month will be gone... and vice versa.
I don't want to work again..
I simply need them both to co-operate. Its a sad day for me, but given that Apple gives me 3 times more revenue than what Google pays me, Im going to side with Apple on this one due to the fact that they just give me more money....
People get made redundant all the time. And anyway, whoever loses will almost certainly not close their app marketplaces or anything like that. This is a war being waged "for the consumer." App developers need not worry.
Well I don't think I will make myself redundant (I'm my own boss lol).
Well, assuming the worst and Apple gets trashed...wouldn't a lot of the people move to Android eventually anyway? From there they'd be like "This app is on Android too? Awesome, something I'm familar with!" and then REbuy your product?
To be fair, idk what I'm talking about too much. I'm not much of a smartphone guy.
On August 28 2012 22:06 Ratch! wrote: Do this battles give any benefit to the costumers?
Yes, it brings Apple closer to falling out of business.
Awesome. Always liked Google, always disliked Apple. It seems to be pretty common here or on any forum that has tech savvy people on it too. Wonder why.
On August 29 2012 02:19 B1nary wrote: Can someone please clarify this point:
"The infringement is for non-standard essential patents, whoch means that Google filed a case for a patent/patents that courts cannot legally force companies to patent, meaning that if they win this case, Apple could be forced to completely stop using the patent in their devices."
I don't know anything about law so it doesn't make much sense to me.
Basically, what it means to the situation is this: It's a technology/design aspect that makes a cell phone a cell phone. I'm not sure if what exact patent it is is out yet, but an example of it would be something like a cell phone antenna. Without one, you don't have a cell phone.
On August 29 2012 03:35 FoxerGames wrote: As an app developer and getting paid by both Apple and Google, I feel like I am in the lose/lose situation here. If Google destroys apple then there goes my lifestyle of having only to work 2 hours a week while making 15k a month will be gone... and vice versa.
I don't want to work again..
I simply need them both to co-operate. Its a sad day for me, but given that Apple gives me 3 times more revenue than what Google pays me, Im going to side with Apple on this one due to the fact that they just give me more money....
People get made redundant all the time. And anyway, whoever loses will almost certainly not close their app marketplaces or anything like that. This is a war being waged "for the consumer." App developers need not worry.
Well I don't think I will make myself redundant (I'm my own boss lol).
Well, assuming the worst and Apple gets trashed...wouldn't a lot of the people move to Android eventually anyway? From there they'd be like "This app is on Android too? Awesome, something I'm familar with!" and then REbuy your product?
To be fair, idk what I'm talking about too much. I'm not much of a smartphone guy.
My presence on Android is no where near as good as Apple.. Google play has too much spam apps
On August 29 2012 02:19 B1nary wrote: Can someone please clarify this point:
"The infringement is for non-standard essential patents, whoch means that Google filed a case for a patent/patents that courts cannot legally force companies to patent, meaning that if they win this case, Apple could be forced to completely stop using the patent in their devices."
I don't know anything about law so it doesn't make much sense to me.
You can't ban someone from using a standards essential patent, because that would mean they can't adhere to the standards, which they have to. You can only make them pay you a fair price for using their patents.
For non standards essential patents you don't have to sell them the rights to use it, you can force them to drop the features entirely.
On August 28 2012 22:06 Ratch! wrote: Do this battles give any benefit to the costumers?
Yes, it brings Apple closer to falling out of business.
Awesome. Always liked Google, always disliked Apple. It seems to be pretty common here or on any forum that has tech savvy people on it too. Wonder why.
I don't dislike Apple. Sorry.
Disliking apple =/= disliking apple products, and although I'm a hardcore PC fan (mainly because they overcharge apple products so fanboys buy them $$$profit$$$) I think anyone who understands the industry should probably dislike Apple and how they play ball.
On August 28 2012 22:06 Ratch! wrote: Do this battles give any benefit to the costumers?
Yes, it brings Apple closer to falling out of business.
Awesome. Always liked Google, always disliked Apple. It seems to be pretty common here or on any forum that has tech savvy people on it too. Wonder why.
I don't dislike Apple. Sorry.
Disliking apple =/= disliking apple products, and although I'm a hardcore PC fan (mainly because they overcharge apple products so fanboys buy them $$$profit$$$) I think anyone who understands the industry should probably dislike Apple and how they play ball.
I understand the industry just fine and Apple's ballgame is perfectly fine.
Also, anyone who thinks Google or Apple going out of business over this is having compatibility issues with reality.
On August 28 2012 22:06 Ratch! wrote: Do this battles give any benefit to the costumers?
Yes, it brings Apple closer to falling out of business.
Awesome. Always liked Google, always disliked Apple. It seems to be pretty common here or on any forum that has tech savvy people on it too. Wonder why.
I don't dislike Apple. Sorry.
Disliking apple =/= disliking apple products, and although I'm a hardcore PC fan (mainly because they overcharge apple products so fanboys buy them $$$profit$$$) I think anyone who understands the industry should probably dislike Apple and how they play ball.
So apple sueing companies for making round edged rectangle shaped phones is a reason to hate them, but google suing them for having email notifications, and video playback is good.
Can someone "who understands the industry" explain to me how does that make sense?
PS. For people that did not know, apple did not start anything. Apple has won and lost countless aumonts of patent cases to other companies during the past years. Also apple is not involved in all of these.
On August 28 2012 22:06 Ratch! wrote: Do this battles give any benefit to the costumers?
Yes, it brings Apple closer to falling out of business.
Awesome. Always liked Google, always disliked Apple. It seems to be pretty common here or on any forum that has tech savvy people on it too. Wonder why.
I don't dislike Apple. Sorry.
Disliking apple =/= disliking apple products, and although I'm a hardcore PC fan (mainly because they overcharge apple products so fanboys buy them $$$profit$$$) I think anyone who understands the industry should probably dislike Apple and how they play ball.
So apple sueing companies for making round edged rectangle shaped phones is a reason to hate them, but google suing them for having email notifications, and video playback is good.
Can someone "who understands the industry" explain to me how does that make sense?
PS. For people that did not know, apple did not start anything. Apple has won and lost countless aumonts of patent cases to other companies during the past years. Also apple is not involved in all of these.
I don't think Google would have sued Apple if they didn't launch the thermonuclear war.
On August 28 2012 22:06 Ratch! wrote: Do this battles give any benefit to the costumers?
Yes, it brings Apple closer to falling out of business.
Awesome. Always liked Google, always disliked Apple. It seems to be pretty common here or on any forum that has tech savvy people on it too. Wonder why.
I don't dislike Apple. Sorry.
Disliking apple =/= disliking apple products, and although I'm a hardcore PC fan (mainly because they overcharge apple products so fanboys buy them $$$profit$$$) I think anyone who understands the industry should probably dislike Apple and how they play ball.
So apple sueing companies for making round edged rectangle shaped phones is a reason to hate them, but google suing them for having email notifications, and video playback is good.
Can someone "who understands the industry" explain to me how does that make sense?
PS. For people that did not know, apple did not start anything. Apple has won and lost countless aumonts of patent cases to other companies during the past years. Also apple is not involved in all of these.
It didn't, we have been hinted that Steve Jobs just saw all the rise in competitors that pissed him off. He probably got pissed at Samsung because they completely ripped off Apple's iPhone design and UI etc and added more to it.
Probably when he was dying, he had a dying wish to take down these companies even if it meant to go to a thermonuclear war and Tim Cook could simply just be abiding to his final wish.
I suspect if this was true, and if Apple loses completely, then assassinations will take place afterwards.
On August 28 2012 22:06 Ratch! wrote: Do this battles give any benefit to the costumers?
Yes, it brings Apple closer to falling out of business.
Awesome. Always liked Google, always disliked Apple. It seems to be pretty common here or on any forum that has tech savvy people on it too. Wonder why.
I don't dislike Apple. Sorry.
Disliking apple =/= disliking apple products, and although I'm a hardcore PC fan (mainly because they overcharge apple products so fanboys buy them $$$profit$$$) I think anyone who understands the industry should probably dislike Apple and how they play ball.
So apple sueing companies for making round edged rectangle shaped phones is a reason to hate them, but google suing them for having email notifications, and video playback is good.
Can someone "who understands the industry" explain to me how does that make sense?
PS. For people that did not know, apple did not start anything. Apple has won and lost countless aumonts of patent cases to other companies during the past years. Also apple is not involved in all of these.
I don't think Google would have sued Apple if they didn't launch the thermonuclear war.
Motorola has been suing for as long as Microsoft, Apple, and everybody else. There is no direct motivation for this lawsuit caused by the verdict of Apple vs. Samsung, starting with the fact that the lawsuit started BEFORE the verdict. It's something you are making up to conveniently reinforce your anti-Apple moral high horse, also fueled by the misleading choice of words by the OP.
This is going to be really entertaining. Apple opened up a can of worms with their lawsuit and they have no one but themselves to blame here for this hammer falling. If google is bothering to do so in the first place I imagine they will win, especially with the world-class team they will (or probably already have) assembled.
On August 28 2012 22:06 Ratch! wrote: Do this battles give any benefit to the costumers?
Yes, it brings Apple closer to falling out of business.
Awesome. Always liked Google, always disliked Apple. It seems to be pretty common here or on any forum that has tech savvy people on it too. Wonder why.
I don't dislike Apple. Sorry.
Disliking apple =/= disliking apple products, and although I'm a hardcore PC fan (mainly because they overcharge apple products so fanboys buy them $$$profit$$$) I think anyone who understands the industry should probably dislike Apple and how they play ball.
So apple sueing companies for making round edged rectangle shaped phones is a reason to hate them, but google suing them for having email notifications, and video playback is good.
Can someone "who understands the industry" explain to me how does that make sense?
PS. For people that did not know, apple did not start anything. Apple has won and lost countless aumonts of patent cases to other companies during the past years. Also apple is not involved in all of these.
I don't think Google would have sued Apple if they didn't launch the thermonuclear war.
Motorola has been suing for as long as Microsoft, Apple, and everybody else. There is no direct motivation for this lawsuit caused by the verdict of Apple vs. Samsung, starting with the fact that the lawsuit started BEFORE the verdict. It's something you are making up to conveniently reinforce your anti-Apple moral high horse, also fueled by the misleading choice of words by the OP.
I wouldn't have waited for the verdict either. If someone starts swinging at you, you should probably take action before you get hit in the face.
As far as "high horse Apple disdain" goes, your horse doesn't have to be particularly high to have moral qualms with Apple's business practices. Selling their patents to a patent troll isn't even one of the big ones. I get more worked up over the quality of the Chinese labor and the fact that you eventually encounter child labor down the Apple production line.
On August 28 2012 22:06 Ratch! wrote: Do this battles give any benefit to the costumers?
Yes, it brings Apple closer to falling out of business.
Awesome. Always liked Google, always disliked Apple. It seems to be pretty common here or on any forum that has tech savvy people on it too. Wonder why.
I don't dislike Apple. Sorry.
Disliking apple =/= disliking apple products, and although I'm a hardcore PC fan (mainly because they overcharge apple products so fanboys buy them $$$profit$$$) I think anyone who understands the industry should probably dislike Apple and how they play ball.
So apple sueing companies for making round edged rectangle shaped phones is a reason to hate them, but google suing them for having email notifications, and video playback is good.
Can someone "who understands the industry" explain to me how does that make sense?
PS. For people that did not know, apple did not start anything. Apple has won and lost countless aumonts of patent cases to other companies during the past years. Also apple is not involved in all of these.
It didn't, we have been hinted that Steve Jobs just saw all the rise in competitors that pissed him off. He probably got pissed at Samsung because they completely ripped off Apple's iPhone design and UI etc and added more to it.
Probably when he was dying, he had a dying wish to take down these companies even if it meant to go to a thermonuclear war and Tim Cook could simply just be abiding to his final wish.
I suspect if this was true, and if Apple loses completely, then assassinations will take place afterwards.
How can you rip-off a UI design? Really, the law-makers should have been discussing this for decades but they didn't.
Yes, the Samsung has the same UI structure, which is good for the user.
Apple were just the first to enter the market. Smartphones were just mobile phones with lots of additional PC-like hardware. What's the invention there? What's next? I integrate a pair of binoculars into a smartphone. What then? Is that patent-worthy?
On August 28 2012 22:06 Ratch! wrote: Do this battles give any benefit to the costumers?
Yes, it brings Apple closer to falling out of business.
Awesome. Always liked Google, always disliked Apple. It seems to be pretty common here or on any forum that has tech savvy people on it too. Wonder why.
I don't dislike Apple. Sorry.
Disliking apple =/= disliking apple products, and although I'm a hardcore PC fan (mainly because they overcharge apple products so fanboys buy them $$$profit$$$) I think anyone who understands the industry should probably dislike Apple and how they play ball.
So apple sueing companies for making round edged rectangle shaped phones is a reason to hate them, but google suing them for having email notifications, and video playback is good.
Can someone "who understands the industry" explain to me how does that make sense?
PS. For people that did not know, apple did not start anything. Apple has won and lost countless aumonts of patent cases to other companies during the past years. Also apple is not involved in all of these.
It didn't, we have been hinted that Steve Jobs just saw all the rise in competitors that pissed him off. He probably got pissed at Samsung because they completely ripped off Apple's iPhone design and UI etc and added more to it.
Probably when he was dying, he had a dying wish to take down these companies even if it meant to go to a thermonuclear war and Tim Cook could simply just be abiding to his final wish.
I suspect if this was true, and if Apple loses completely, then assassinations will take place afterwards.
How can you rip-off a UI design? Really, the law-makers should have been discussing this for decades but they didn't.
Yes, the Samsung has the same UI structure, which is good for the user.
Apple were just the first to enter the market. Smartphones were just mobile phones with lots of additional PC-like hardware. What's the invention there? What's next? I integrate a pair of binoculars into a smartphone. What then? Is that patent-worthy?
Yes, Samsung has the same UI structure which is good for the user, but I've had people copied my style of apps for the appstore (not blatent copy, but he entered the nieche market using my app as a guide) and it just pissed me off, I can see why Apple is pissed off, riding on their success. But thing is I can't do nothing about it because, they infringe nothing.. which was what Samsung argument is all about.
Apple wern't the first to enter the smartphone market, they entered into a market that no one gave a crap about and showed the consumers how to do it right.. They did it with their iPads as well. What is patent worthy is up to Apple/Samsung/Google's legal team to decide not us, if it was up to you and me.. we would be millionaires.. not thousandairs..
Also Apple doesn't invent, don't know why people just throw the word "invent" around. I've never seen Apple used that word on their products yet it seems to be a common argument to use. My engineer teacher would always tell us a scientist always discovers and an engineer would always use the discoveries to implement it into whatever and make it viable for the consumers. Apple are the engineers in this case, they use what has already been made and use it in a way viable for consumers. That's how their buisness modal works.
Apple has patented hydrogen fuel cells that claims to have batteries lasting up for weeks before needing a recharge. Though I think we are too early to determine if it viable or not, but something like this would be massive for Apple to take advantage of.
On August 28 2012 22:06 Ratch! wrote: Do this battles give any benefit to the costumers?
Yes, it brings Apple closer to falling out of business.
Awesome. Always liked Google, always disliked Apple. It seems to be pretty common here or on any forum that has tech savvy people on it too. Wonder why.
I don't dislike Apple. Sorry.
Disliking apple =/= disliking apple products, and although I'm a hardcore PC fan (mainly because they overcharge apple products so fanboys buy them $$$profit$$$) I think anyone who understands the industry should probably dislike Apple and how they play ball.
So apple sueing companies for making round edged rectangle shaped phones is a reason to hate them, but google suing them for having email notifications, and video playback is good.
Can someone "who understands the industry" explain to me how does that make sense?
PS. For people that did not know, apple did not start anything. Apple has won and lost countless aumonts of patent cases to other companies during the past years. Also apple is not involved in all of these.
I don't think Google would have sued Apple if they didn't launch the thermonuclear war.
Motorola has been suing for as long as Microsoft, Apple, and everybody else. There is no direct motivation for this lawsuit caused by the verdict of Apple vs. Samsung, starting with the fact that the lawsuit started BEFORE the verdict. It's something you are making up to conveniently reinforce your anti-Apple moral high horse, also fueled by the misleading choice of words by the OP.
I wouldn't have waited for the verdict either. If someone starts swinging at you, you should probably take action before you get hit in the face.
You still missed the point. The point is that the Motorola vs. Apple lawsuit is just a other lawsuit in a dirty game that everybody is playing, not some sort of white knight move Google is doing in retaliation of Apple vs. Samsung, an assumption fueled by the "high horse Apple disdain".
It's not hard to find cases where Motorola, and by proxy Google, is suing other companies for IP patents.
Google is as dirty as everybody else, but they are pretty good at being two-faced with their "Do No Evil" mantra, which once meant something.
By the way, the first punch in this whole mess was thrown by Nokia *against Apple*, and the first blood was drawn by Microsoft against HTC.
As far as "high horse Apple disdain" goes, your horse doesn't have to be particularly high to have moral qualms with Apple's business practices. Selling their patents to a patent troll isn't even one of the big ones. I get more worked up over the quality of the Chinese labor and the fact that you eventually encounter child labor down the Apple production line.
If you carefully read the article, you will notice that the source of information is Apple's own Supplier Responsibility Report. In other words, this is Apple auditing and calling out their own suppliers' labor conditions in reports Apple makes public every year. If anything, Apple is the one that is doing something to improve working conditions, although there is still a way to go:
On August 29 2012 07:54 TranceKuja wrote: Everything Apple makes is stolen from someone and somehow they always get away with it.
Not anymore
Google is tiny in comparison to Apple and Samsung, and going after iProducts is a tall, TALL order. What Google is doing is not so great, it's just more acceptable because they're not an immoral piece of shit corporation like Apple.
As a resident of Sunnyvale, CA, very close to the Headquarters of both companies, I look forward to it evolving into epic street gang wars with Apple's Army, armed with i-devices and iPads as shields against the bicycle-riding, Android device toting Google Horde armed with enough videos of cute cats to melt the polar ice caps, crash in combat.
May the shrewdest company win, and may god have mercy on all our souls if the war spills to the populace
On August 31 2012 07:38 VGhost wrote: When I was young and naive, I thought patents only applied to actual, like, technology.
I mean, some company invents the LCD? That's patent worthy.
Somebody makes a functional touchscreen? Ditto.
Somebody says, "Let's drag things around on a touchscreen"? Not a patent.
But that's just me and my common sense.
This whole situation is absurd.
Well that was the case in Motorola vs Apple originally, the fact that the patent deemed to be infringed upon is simply called an "industry standard" which means that everyone must have this, however the 7 that google found are very particular and very precise, however most of the new apple products no longer use them, but instead most are made by Qualcomm I do believe. I think that somethings are bullshit and that if you can infringe on the way something zooms in (pinch method), but not something deemable as an industry standard is quite retarded. If only we could stop lobbyism, maybe something could actually be done about patent standards.
On August 29 2012 07:54 TranceKuja wrote: Everything Apple makes is stolen from someone and somehow they always get away with it.
Not anymore
That's funny because Apple initially stole from Xerox with Microsoft so this whole law suit is kinda completely ridiculous, trying to strangle the competition by suing them is pathetic. I really dislike Apple for this crap.
Edit: the above post shows how silly the "smartphone wars" have become. Pick something to demonize, it deserves bad things because it sued samsung. Come on
This is silly. While everyone has smartphones, I believe the apple hating is kind of unreasonable.
Iphones are worse than droids, but they are competitive and not noticeably worse to the average person/even someone who does complex computing may prefer or not mind an iphone.
Apple sued. It certainly does seem to be that google suing was an affect of this, but apple getting a taste of its own medicine is kinda silly. They're just suing because they can and when one person starts its an obligation to continue until everyone's even.
Things like "please win" show a lack of....quality of discussion. it would be more pleasing to discuss the plausibility of the case, what precedent samsung has set, and if apple suing set it all into motion without relics of iphone vs android showing up.
But, I digress.
Edit: will someone state to what extent and in what ways apple is an "immoral piece of shit company"? Perhaps i misunderstand this view
On August 31 2012 08:39 xParadoxi wrote: What's up with all the bullshit warnings in this thread? lol. Guy posts a gif of someone eating popcorn. WARNING!
I hope apple loses the case. With their rediculous lawsuit against samsung, they deserve anything that happens to them at this point.
If you had bothered reading the forum rules when you signed up you'd know precisely why they got warned.
On August 31 2012 08:39 xParadoxi wrote: What's up with all the bullshit warnings in this thread? lol. Guy posts a gif of someone eating popcorn. WARNING!
I hope apple loses the case. With their rediculous lawsuit against samsung, they deserve anything that happens to them at this point.
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On August 31 2012 09:04 Bippzy wrote: Edit: the above post shows how silly the "smartphone wars" have become. Pick something to demonize, it deserves bad things because it sued samsung. Come on
This is silly. While everyone has smartphones, I believe the apple hating is kind of unreasonable.
Iphones are worse than droids, but they are competitive and not noticeably worse to the average person/even someone who does complex computing may prefer or not mind an iphone.
Apple sued. It certainly does seem to be that google suing was an affect of this, but apple getting a taste of its own medicine is kinda silly. They're just suing because they can and when one person starts its an obligation to continue until everyone's even.
Things like "please win" show a lack of....quality of discussion. it would be more pleasing to discuss the plausibility of the case, what precedent samsung has set, and if apple suing set it all into motion without relics of iphone vs android showing up.
But, I digress.
Edit: will someone state to what extent and in what ways apple is an "immoral piece of shit company"? Perhaps i misunderstand this view
It's like this on ever forum. I said this in the last thread, but really hating people for liking a company that makes a product is foolish. People think it's cool to hate on a company or a game and rant about the same things everywhere. Every company sues and gets sued, everyone just like to dish out the hate because people like a this vs them mentality, or so it seems.
However, I blame patent laws not the company. If the company has the right to try, then why not? I have an iPhone and I like it better than the droid because it's more user friendly to me and fits me. But I don't hate the droid or people who own a droid. Same goes for people that are Windows vs Mac OS, I personally like the customer service of Apple over Windows, I understand the language and I get a person right away, but I don't hate Windows, I just have a use for it. Throwing more cents/sense into the anti-hate/non-discussable language and feeling within this thread.
On August 31 2012 10:45 NexRex wrote: However, I blame patent laws not the company. If the company has the right to try, then why not? I have an iPhone and I like it better than the droid because it's more user friendly to me and fits me. But I don't hate the droid or people who own a droid. Same goes for people that are Windows vs Mac OS, I personally like the customer service of Apple over Windows, I understand the language and I get a person right away, but I don't hate Windows, I just have a use for it. Throwing more cents/sense into the anti-hate/non-discussable language and feeling within this thread.
Because it just ends up screwing everyone, yourself included once another big name gets fed up.
There is a history of companies who try to litigate their way to success quickly failing as a result. Apple has been going overboard trying to abuse the shit out of the patent system by suing for anything and everything. People have a right to be angry at them for doing so when all it does is stifle innovation and create nothing new (unless you count ill-will and alienating your customers as creating something new).
In any event, I hope Google shits all over them with this so that Apple is forced to either stop mass litigating or to crumble as a company.
EPT
There are way more Apple fan boys than Samsung fan boys. 
Yay patent law.
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