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Oleo
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands283 Posts
September 04 2012 15:12 GMT
#781
On September 04 2012 22:47 -Hitman- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 22:40 Agathon wrote:
On September 04 2012 21:11 B.I.G. wrote:
So now I'm confused, are you saying that every pro wheeler basically uses doping and every now and then they want to lynch someone for it?


The rules are the same for everybody. When there's proofs, there's sanctions. And Armstrong is far to be the first. All this drama around him is just because he's an "american hero", like Contador is a "spanish hero".

Every player violate the rules. Armstrong is not a special case.


Fixed that for you Lynch away!!


Or you can stop polluting the topic with baseless accusations towards every cyclist in the world.
Managing Siegetanks is like raising a superhero - Artosis.
PrideNeverDie
Profile Joined November 2010
United States319 Posts
September 04 2012 15:32 GMT
#782
On September 05 2012 00:12 Oleo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 22:47 -Hitman- wrote:
On September 04 2012 22:40 Agathon wrote:
On September 04 2012 21:11 B.I.G. wrote:
So now I'm confused, are you saying that every pro wheeler basically uses doping and every now and then they want to lynch someone for it?


The rules are the same for everybody. When there's proofs, there's sanctions. And Armstrong is far to be the first. All this drama around him is just because he's an "american hero", like Contador is a "spanish hero".

Every player violate the rules. Armstrong is not a special case.


Fixed that for you Lynch away!!


Or you can stop polluting the topic with baseless accusations towards every cyclist in the world.


it isn't baseless

there is a reason every cyclist is perfectly at the maximum hematocrit level allowed in cycling

someone should find the statistical probability that all these cyclists reached the exact same level through genetics
If you want it bad enough you will find a way; If you don't, you will find an excuse
Fumanchu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Canada669 Posts
September 04 2012 17:51 GMT
#783
I never knew before this that most cyclists were doping. I never paid that much attention to the sport and never understood the appeal that others saw. I was however, a big fan of Lance. Here was a guy who beat cancer. Here was a guy who won an astonishing 7 titles. He was a role model. He was someone I looked up to. And now I found out all along he was cheating. And so do most of the other cyclists. And for some strange reason, even though I don't know the guy personally, it hurts. It kind of craps on the dreams of us regular guys who think we can become something more on hard work alone. So you know what? Screw you Lance. You're trash. I'm happy they stripped you of everything. You're a joke and if I saw you on the street I'd spit in your eye. Regardless of how our generation views you, history will just remember you as one cheater in a long list of other cheaters. A phenomenal cheater maybe, but still just a dirty cheap trash cheater.
Easy doesnt fit into grownup life.
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
September 04 2012 18:27 GMT
#784
On September 04 2012 21:54 -Hitman- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 20:52 Boblion wrote:
He definitly behaved like a mob boss, see Bassons, Simeoni etc...


Bassons was really out there with doping talks. Involved in FestinaGate as well. You cant really rule out that Lance thought of this as being hypocritical and thus tried to do something. And if I find myself in a position where I cant rule out a motive that could speak the opposite for a person, I cant really pass judgement on that. Up to you what to do, but things are rarely so clearcut. Bassons behaviour was very outspoken, that always divides people on controversial subjects. Let him rest in pieces.

Bassons wasn't involved in the Festina affair. Since he was probably the only guy not on juice in the team they didn't even pick him for the tdf lol.
Try again.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
-Hitman-
Profile Joined September 2012
56 Posts
September 04 2012 23:23 GMT
#785
On September 05 2012 03:27 Boblion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 21:54 -Hitman- wrote:
On September 04 2012 20:52 Boblion wrote:
He definitly behaved like a mob boss, see Bassons, Simeoni etc...


Bassons was really out there with doping talks. Involved in FestinaGate as well. You cant really rule out that Lance thought of this as being hypocritical and thus tried to do something. And if I find myself in a position where I cant rule out a motive that could speak the opposite for a person, I cant really pass judgement on that. Up to you what to do, but things are rarely so clearcut. Bassons behaviour was very outspoken, that always divides people on controversial subjects. Let him rest in pieces.

Bassons wasn't involved in the Festina affair. Since he was probably the only guy not on juice in the team they didn't even pick him for the tdf lol.
Try again.


I disagree.
-Hitman-
Profile Joined September 2012
56 Posts
September 04 2012 23:24 GMT
#786
On September 05 2012 00:12 Oleo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 22:47 -Hitman- wrote:
On September 04 2012 22:40 Agathon wrote:
On September 04 2012 21:11 B.I.G. wrote:
So now I'm confused, are you saying that every pro wheeler basically uses doping and every now and then they want to lynch someone for it?


The rules are the same for everybody. When there's proofs, there's sanctions. And Armstrong is far to be the first. All this drama around him is just because he's an "american hero", like Contador is a "spanish hero".

Every player violate the rules. Armstrong is not a special case.


Fixed that for you Lynch away!!


Or you can stop polluting the topic with baseless accusations towards every cyclist in the world.


Man I wish I could, it just not really an option.See the truth.
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
September 04 2012 23:25 GMT
#787
On September 05 2012 08:23 -Hitman- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2012 03:27 Boblion wrote:
On September 04 2012 21:54 -Hitman- wrote:
On September 04 2012 20:52 Boblion wrote:
He definitly behaved like a mob boss, see Bassons, Simeoni etc...


Bassons was really out there with doping talks. Involved in FestinaGate as well. You cant really rule out that Lance thought of this as being hypocritical and thus tried to do something. And if I find myself in a position where I cant rule out a motive that could speak the opposite for a person, I cant really pass judgement on that. Up to you what to do, but things are rarely so clearcut. Bassons behaviour was very outspoken, that always divides people on controversial subjects. Let him rest in pieces.

Bassons wasn't involved in the Festina affair. Since he was probably the only guy not on juice in the team they didn't even pick him for the tdf lol.
Try again.


I disagree.

Care to elaborate ?
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
-Hitman-
Profile Joined September 2012
56 Posts
September 04 2012 23:39 GMT
#788
On September 05 2012 08:25 Boblion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2012 08:23 -Hitman- wrote:
On September 05 2012 03:27 Boblion wrote:
On September 04 2012 21:54 -Hitman- wrote:
On September 04 2012 20:52 Boblion wrote:
He definitly behaved like a mob boss, see Bassons, Simeoni etc...


Bassons was really out there with doping talks. Involved in FestinaGate as well. You cant really rule out that Lance thought of this as being hypocritical and thus tried to do something. And if I find myself in a position where I cant rule out a motive that could speak the opposite for a person, I cant really pass judgement on that. Up to you what to do, but things are rarely so clearcut. Bassons behaviour was very outspoken, that always divides people on controversial subjects. Let him rest in pieces.

Bassons wasn't involved in the Festina affair. Since he was probably the only guy not on juice in the team they didn't even pick him for the tdf lol.
Try again.


I disagree.

Care to elaborate ?


If you read what I wrote, I dont think you will ever find people in cycling who werent doped on some level. There are only people who was caught and some who wasnt - directly involved as in the truck was for him or not, i dont really care - but he was outspoken about the whole thing, which made him a target for the anti-hypocritic people (which is my theory about lances "mob boss" like behaviour which we were discussing) can you follow the stream of thought?
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-05 00:01:39
September 04 2012 23:52 GMT
#789
When i look at his record (i.e: no wins in major events, only some top 10 in regional races) compared to the guys on the Festina 98 team ( All multiple stage winners on grands tours, not just Virenque and Zulle) i really believe that he was clean. He never got suspended, whereas the guys in his team got banned. Also all his former juiced team mates admited that he was clean and i really don't know why they would defend him, especially after being busted lol.

edit: Also lol at your explanation of Lance's behaviour. Mr.Juicedtothemax standing up against hypocrisy ? How cute :D
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
brokor
Profile Joined June 2011
Greece235 Posts
September 05 2012 00:13 GMT
#790
Imo professional sports is a really bad thing.


They take all the magic out of sportmanship and athleticism(sp?) and wipe it away in favor of money, endorsements, sponsorships and advertisements. Money.


There should be no monetary incentive in playing sports, ever.


People say professional athletes inspire kids to get into sports.
NO
All they do is give incentive to kids to harm their health and put their life at risk just in order to get some dollars and their ugly face on a milk ad.

I am all for sports. The goverment should spend much more to make training facilities and courts where people can play a pick-up game of basketball or whatever their favourite sport is, have good track in every neighborhood so people can run and socialize or compete for fun.

The fact that my tax money pays people so they can juice up some more and win some more tournaments is retarded.

Just abolish state endorsed professional sports and be done with it.

I live in Greece where my country grew a surplass debt just to organize some doped up olympics, in addition to a preexisting tremendous debt.

Pro sports are a menace. They kill more people than drugs and set a really bad example for future generations.
I am happy that such cases come to light, so that young people stop being "inspired" and harm their body just to look like this bald cheater (although i know he devoted a lot of money to cancer research, so maybe he had a soul after all)
Winter is Coming
-Hitman-
Profile Joined September 2012
56 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-05 11:03:22
September 05 2012 10:55 GMT
#791
On September 05 2012 08:52 Boblion wrote:
When i look at his record (i.e: no wins in major events, only some top 10 in regional races) compared to the guys on the Festina 98 team ( All multiple stage winners on grands tours, not just Virenque and Zulle) i really believe that he was clean. He never got suspended, whereas the guys in his team got banned. Also all his former juiced team mates admited that he was clean and i really don't know why they would defend him, especially after being busted lol.

edit: Also lol at your explanation of Lance's behaviour. Mr.Juicedtothemax standing up against hypocrisy ? How cute :D


So if you dont win anything, you are clean?

That was back then. Now is now. Back then everybody was doped just like today but the testing procedure were not as thorough and lacking on many points, Im sure you can read about it. Basically just like with a new virus from the wild information as to how they were doing it was scarce at best. What effects drugs had, how to identify it, when to test etc etc hadnt really been figured out, for instance for a long time you get away with having foreign blood bodies in the system because noone knew enough. I respect those people who wanted to change the sport to a clean discipline, but at the same time I can find reason for other peoples behaviour.

Its not so black and white.


I tried to make this point, sorry for the confusion:

You find yourself(imagine you were a racing cyclist pro) in a sport where all are using something.
Some of those people feel bad and want to confess or use it to remove some competition.
You can join them, dislike it because it ruins the sport as it is, go against them because why complain if all are using, go against them because you know they are using and they are hypocrites and then some more arguments bla bla.

My point was that its hard to say whether their opinion about Lances behaviour as "mob boss like" is actually what Lance did and if he actually felt that way. Its too hard for me to judge so I choose not to pass judgement at all. Your choice is up to you.
-Hitman-
Profile Joined September 2012
56 Posts
September 05 2012 10:58 GMT
#792
On September 05 2012 09:13 brokor wrote:
Imo professional sports is a really bad thing.


They take all the magic out of sportmanship and athleticism(sp?) and wipe it away in favor of money, endorsements, sponsorships and advertisements. Money.


There should be no monetary incentive in playing sports, ever.


People say professional athletes inspire kids to get into sports.
NO
All they do is give incentive to kids to harm their health and put their life at risk just in order to get some dollars and their ugly face on a milk ad.

I am all for sports. The goverment should spend much more to make training facilities and courts where people can play a pick-up game of basketball or whatever their favourite sport is, have good track in every neighborhood so people can run and socialize or compete for fun.

The fact that my tax money pays people so they can juice up some more and win some more tournaments is retarded.

Just abolish state endorsed professional sports and be done with it.

I live in Greece where my country grew a surplass debt just to organize some doped up olympics, in addition to a preexisting tremendous debt.

Pro sports are a menace. They kill more people than drugs and set a really bad example for future generations.
I am happy that such cases come to light, so that young people stop being "inspired" and harm their body just to look like this bald cheater (although i know he devoted a lot of money to cancer research, so maybe he had a soul after all)


That I think its completely wrong at least in any capitalist society, you gotta have funds to back it up. This is how capitalist countries show their passion and support for the sport.


helvete
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden276 Posts
September 05 2012 11:44 GMT
#793
Yeah nothing says passion like fucking money.. *sigh*
-Hitman-
Profile Joined September 2012
56 Posts
September 05 2012 11:48 GMT
#794
On September 05 2012 20:44 helvete wrote:
Yeah nothing says passion like fucking money.. *sigh*


haha yeah capitalist we are :D
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-05 13:38:48
September 05 2012 13:36 GMT
#795
these purely phisical kinds of sports are getting ridiculous. The doping is just a must there. Seriously i think people should just switch to supporting sports that require at least some sort of skill to be best at.
Trok67
Profile Joined May 2010
France384 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-05 13:57:49
September 05 2012 13:57 GMT
#796
Tyler Hamilton (one of Armstrong teammate during his first 3 victories on the Tour) is going to publish a book exposing all the doping system Armstrong has put into place.

It seems that the Times http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/ has published some of the extract of this book but one must to be a member to get access to it.
Rassy
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2308 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-05 14:13:51
September 05 2012 14:11 GMT
#797
If tyler has so much problems with this he should not have joined the team armstong was in, infact he should have stayed out of cycling all together.
To join and cooperate with it all, only to stab back at it years later when you already made your $$ from it is just lame, he should have stayed loyal.
Thats what i dont like about people going after armstong now, its to little to late, its like getting mustard after you ate the meal, (as we say in holland lol)
They should have done so at that time and i would have no problem with it at all.
By letting it all pass at that time the officials and everyone else contributed.
They could have said, ok we see 50%+ is doped so we cancel the tour for this year till the sport manages to find a solution for this.
But thats no option off course.Monney has to be made, the tour always goes on.
And armstrong made alot for the tour, he made the tour popular in countrys wich where not into cycling at all and sponsor ship greatly increased.

Thats also why it would be hypocritic of armstong to now confess and possibly expose other users.
Its just not done.
-Hitman-
Profile Joined September 2012
56 Posts
September 05 2012 15:10 GMT
#798
On September 05 2012 23:11 Rassy wrote:
If tyler has so much problems with this he should not have joined the team armstong was in, infact he should have stayed out of cycling all together.
To join and cooperate with it all, only to stab back at it years later when you already made your $$ from it is just lame, he should have stayed loyal.
Thats what i dont like about people going after armstong now, its to little to late, its like getting mustard after you ate the meal, (as we say in holland lol)
They should have done so at that time and i would have no problem with it at all.
By letting it all pass at that time the officials and everyone else contributed.
They could have said, ok we see 50%+ is doped so we cancel the tour for this year till the sport manages to find a solution for this.
But thats no option off course.Monney has to be made, the tour always goes on.
And armstrong made alot for the tour, he made the tour popular in countrys wich where not into cycling at all and sponsor ship greatly increased.

Thats also why it would be hypocritic of armstong to now confess and possibly expose other users.
Its just not done.


Agree. I understand people like Tyler tho, feeling the need to come clean etc. They all played the game like you said, so why crucify people now.... mustard after the meal indeed lol.
mathemagician1986
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany549 Posts
October 10 2012 18:23 GMT
#799
it's looking grim for lance. can't say I fell sorry for him though...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/19903716
ParkwayDrive
Profile Joined July 2011
United States328 Posts
October 10 2012 18:28 GMT
#800
so sad man. first tiger woods and jim tressel. now this man. 3 of the sports heroes i looked up to most in my childhood. all frauds. cant say im quite happy about it but they all deserve what they get. especially lance, if what im reading is true he was doing just awful things. o well, at least they cant take away the money hes raised for cancer, even if it was all a lie.
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