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Lynch away!!Or you can stop polluting the topic with baseless accusations towards every cyclist in the world.
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Oleo
Netherlands280 Posts
Or you can stop polluting the topic with baseless accusations towards every cyclist in the world. | ||
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PrideNeverDie
United States319 Posts
On September 05 2012 00:12 Oleo wrote: Or you can stop polluting the topic with baseless accusations towards every cyclist in the world. it isn't baseless there is a reason every cyclist is perfectly at the maximum hematocrit level allowed in cycling someone should find the statistical probability that all these cyclists reached the exact same level through genetics | ||
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Fumanchu
Canada669 Posts
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On September 04 2012 21:54 -Hitman- wrote: Bassons was really out there with doping talks. Involved in FestinaGate as well. You cant really rule out that Lance thought of this as being hypocritical and thus tried to do something. And if I find myself in a position where I cant rule out a motive that could speak the opposite for a person, I cant really pass judgement on that. Up to you what to do, but things are rarely so clearcut. Bassons behaviour was very outspoken, that always divides people on controversial subjects. Let him rest in pieces. Bassons wasn't involved in the Festina affair. Since he was probably the only guy not on juice in the team they didn't even pick him for the tdf lol. Try again. | ||
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-Hitman-
56 Posts
On September 05 2012 03:27 Boblion wrote: Bassons wasn't involved in the Festina affair. Since he was probably the only guy not on juice in the team they didn't even pick him for the tdf lol. Try again. I disagree. | ||
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-Hitman-
56 Posts
On September 05 2012 00:12 Oleo wrote: Or you can stop polluting the topic with baseless accusations towards every cyclist in the world. Man I wish I could, it just not really an option.See the truth. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
Care to elaborate ? | ||
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-Hitman-
56 Posts
If you read what I wrote, I dont think you will ever find people in cycling who werent doped on some level. There are only people who was caught and some who wasnt - directly involved as in the truck was for him or not, i dont really care - but he was outspoken about the whole thing, which made him a target for the anti-hypocritic people (which is my theory about lances "mob boss" like behaviour which we were discussing) can you follow the stream of thought? | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
edit: Also lol at your explanation of Lance's behaviour. Mr.Juicedtothemax standing up against hypocrisy ? How cute :D | ||
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brokor
Greece235 Posts
They take all the magic out of sportmanship and athleticism(sp?) and wipe it away in favor of money, endorsements, sponsorships and advertisements. Money. There should be no monetary incentive in playing sports, ever. People say professional athletes inspire kids to get into sports. NO All they do is give incentive to kids to harm their health and put their life at risk just in order to get some dollars and their ugly face on a milk ad. I am all for sports. The goverment should spend much more to make training facilities and courts where people can play a pick-up game of basketball or whatever their favourite sport is, have good track in every neighborhood so people can run and socialize or compete for fun. The fact that my tax money pays people so they can juice up some more and win some more tournaments is retarded. Just abolish state endorsed professional sports and be done with it. I live in Greece where my country grew a surplass debt just to organize some doped up olympics, in addition to a preexisting tremendous debt. Pro sports are a menace. They kill more people than drugs and set a really bad example for future generations. I am happy that such cases come to light, so that young people stop being "inspired" and harm their body just to look like this bald cheater (although i know he devoted a lot of money to cancer research, so maybe he had a soul after all) | ||
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-Hitman-
56 Posts
On September 05 2012 08:52 Boblion wrote: When i look at his record (i.e: no wins in major events, only some top 10 in regional races) compared to the guys on the Festina 98 team ( All multiple stage winners on grands tours, not just Virenque and Zulle) i really believe that he was clean. He never got suspended, whereas the guys in his team got banned. Also all his former juiced team mates admited that he was clean and i really don't know why they would defend him, especially after being busted lol. edit: Also lol at your explanation of Lance's behaviour. Mr.Juicedtothemax standing up against hypocrisy ? How cute :D So if you dont win anything, you are clean? That was back then. Now is now. Back then everybody was doped just like today but the testing procedure were not as thorough and lacking on many points, Im sure you can read about it. Basically just like with a new virus from the wild information as to how they were doing it was scarce at best. What effects drugs had, how to identify it, when to test etc etc hadnt really been figured out, for instance for a long time you get away with having foreign blood bodies in the system because noone knew enough. I respect those people who wanted to change the sport to a clean discipline, but at the same time I can find reason for other peoples behaviour. Its not so black and white. I tried to make this point, sorry for the confusion: You find yourself(imagine you were a racing cyclist pro) in a sport where all are using something. Some of those people feel bad and want to confess or use it to remove some competition. You can join them, dislike it because it ruins the sport as it is, go against them because why complain if all are using, go against them because you know they are using and they are hypocrites and then some more arguments bla bla. My point was that its hard to say whether their opinion about Lances behaviour as "mob boss like" is actually what Lance did and if he actually felt that way. Its too hard for me to judge so I choose not to pass judgement at all. Your choice is up to you. | ||
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-Hitman-
56 Posts
On September 05 2012 09:13 brokor wrote: Imo professional sports is a really bad thing. They take all the magic out of sportmanship and athleticism(sp?) and wipe it away in favor of money, endorsements, sponsorships and advertisements. Money. There should be no monetary incentive in playing sports, ever. People say professional athletes inspire kids to get into sports. NO All they do is give incentive to kids to harm their health and put their life at risk just in order to get some dollars and their ugly face on a milk ad. I am all for sports. The goverment should spend much more to make training facilities and courts where people can play a pick-up game of basketball or whatever their favourite sport is, have good track in every neighborhood so people can run and socialize or compete for fun. The fact that my tax money pays people so they can juice up some more and win some more tournaments is retarded. Just abolish state endorsed professional sports and be done with it. I live in Greece where my country grew a surplass debt just to organize some doped up olympics, in addition to a preexisting tremendous debt. Pro sports are a menace. They kill more people than drugs and set a really bad example for future generations. I am happy that such cases come to light, so that young people stop being "inspired" and harm their body just to look like this bald cheater (although i know he devoted a lot of money to cancer research, so maybe he had a soul after all) That I think its completely wrong at least in any capitalist society, you gotta have funds to back it up. This is how capitalist countries show their passion and support for the sport. | ||
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helvete
Sweden276 Posts
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-Hitman-
56 Posts
On September 05 2012 20:44 helvete wrote: Yeah nothing says passion like fucking money.. *sigh* haha yeah  capitalist we are :D | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
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Trok67
France384 Posts
It seems that the Times http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/ has published some of the extract of this book but one must to be a member to get access to it. | ||
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Rassy
Netherlands2308 Posts
To join and cooperate with it all, only to stab back at it years later when you already made your $$ from it is just lame, he should have stayed loyal. Thats what i dont like about people going after armstong now, its to little to late, its like getting mustard after you ate the meal, (as we say in holland lol) They should have done so at that time and i would have no problem with it at all. By letting it all pass at that time the officials and everyone else contributed. They could have said, ok we see 50%+ is doped so we cancel the tour for this year till the sport manages to find a solution for this. But thats no option off course.Monney has to be made, the tour always goes on. And armstrong made alot for the tour, he made the tour popular in countrys wich where not into cycling at all and sponsor ship greatly increased. Thats also why it would be hypocritic of armstong to now confess and possibly expose other users. Its just not done. | ||
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-Hitman-
56 Posts
On September 05 2012 23:11 Rassy wrote: If tyler has so much problems with this he should not have joined the team armstong was in, infact he should have stayed out of cycling all together. To join and cooperate with it all, only to stab back at it years later when you already made your $$ from it is just lame, he should have stayed loyal. Thats what i dont like about people going after armstong now, its to little to late, its like getting mustard after you ate the meal, (as we say in holland lol) They should have done so at that time and i would have no problem with it at all. By letting it all pass at that time the officials and everyone else contributed. They could have said, ok we see 50%+ is doped so we cancel the tour for this year till the sport manages to find a solution for this. But thats no option off course.Monney has to be made, the tour always goes on. And armstrong made alot for the tour, he made the tour popular in countrys wich where not into cycling at all and sponsor ship greatly increased. Thats also why it would be hypocritic of armstong to now confess and possibly expose other users. Its just not done. Agree. I understand people like Tyler tho, feeling the need to come clean etc. They all played the game like you said, so why crucify people now.... mustard after the meal indeed lol. | ||
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mathemagician1986
Germany549 Posts
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/19903716 | ||
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ParkwayDrive
United States328 Posts
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