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On July 21 2012 17:11 sc4k wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 16:25 TOloseGT wrote:
My parents went to the candlelight vigil held at Aurora Mall, they said it was akin to post-9/11. Nothing brings people together more than tragedy. RIP. Disclaimer: the following spoilered opinion may upset some forumgoers, it is a point of debate rather than an expression of condolences, although my most sincere condolences do go out to the victims and anyone closely affected; so if you are particularly sensitive I'd advise you avoid reading it. + Show Spoiler +
Aside from the whole ability to kill each other so remorselessly and selfishly, I actually find the bolded behaviour one of the more upsetting facts about us...the only way to get communities to show any deep sort of love for each other is when a maniac murders a portion of them or there is some sort of crisis threatening the life of the nation.
And even then, the only murders that will do that are ones that are sufficiently horrific and happen to their own kin. I remember I saw about a bridge collapsing in somewhere in East Asia that killed 350+ people, it was like page 7 in the news and given a paragraph, and stories about gigantic Eastern European slavery/prostitution rings are consigned to similar pages, whereas our media for years went on and on about one single girl who was probably kidnapped in Portugal (Madeleine McCann) due to her woefully negligent and incompetent parents, giving it front page after front page, mainly because she was white, blonde and British.
We survived for most of our history within self-contained groups of hunter-gatherers. It was natural to mistrust outsiders.
On July 21 2012 17:27 TheSwedishFan wrote:Do they have the death penalty in Colorado?
Yes we do.
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The problem with this type of thing is the massive overreaction. Yes, it sucks that people got killed. In fact, it's downright awful, and I very much wish this could be prevented. The problem is, it can't be prevented, short of becoming completely totalitarian. Nobody could have seen this coming. Security theater will not help, and don't think for a moment that turning movie theaters into the airport will help anything either. The movie is not to blame either, despite what people seem to be thinking. I don't know why people are scared to go see it now, it's not as if the movie made him do it. People are talking about doing silly things like putting metal detectors in movie theaters (because he totally came in the front door with the weapons) as if that would prevent the entire issue.
These events are very rare, and they are horrific when they occur, but there's pretty much nothing you can do about it when it does happen.
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The only effective way to prevent this kind of lone nut jobs is to catch them before they take action. You obviously have to have some real issues to do something like this and often there's some people around him that's been worried about him one way or another. Not neccesarily that he'd do something like this but that he needed help in some form. Unless he's completely isolated himself from everyone else (which should give concern in itself) there's most likely been signs. Though if it's some form of psychosis then it can be almost impossible. We'll see.
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On July 21 2012 00:29 jdseemoreglass wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 00:28 Cutlery wrote:
I hope the survivng victims have health insurance?? Why, you think the ambulance is going to ask for their insurance card before they treat the gunshots?
No, but it would suck to have been shot and deal with that, and on top of everything know that their lives will be pretty much changed forever because they'll have to spend the rest of it to pay that one bill. God forbid any tax money went to help victims of accidents.
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On July 21 2012 22:44 Cutlery wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 00:29 jdseemoreglass wrote:On July 21 2012 00:28 Cutlery wrote:
I hope the survivng victims have health insurance?? Why, you think the ambulance is going to ask for their insurance card before they treat the gunshots? No, but it would suck to have been shot and deal with that, and on top of everything know that their lives will be pretty much changed forever because they'll have to spend the rest of it to pay that one bill. God forbid any tax money went to help victims of accidents.
Actually funny story, a girl got in a car crash in the states and was not conscience and she did not have health insurance... Well they said she signed a paper (not awake) and she had to pay a few hundred dollars just for the ambulance and then a few thousand for her injuries... So yeah, it definitely is a concern.
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On July 21 2012 22:44 Cutlery wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 00:29 jdseemoreglass wrote:On July 21 2012 00:28 Cutlery wrote:
I hope the survivng victims have health insurance?? Why, you think the ambulance is going to ask for their insurance card before they treat the gunshots? No, but it would suck to have been shot and deal with that, and on top of everything know that their lives will be pretty much changed forever because they'll have to spend the rest of it to pay that one bill. God forbid any tax money went to help victims of accidents.
the hospital bills will be paid by the cinema, i would be willing to bet money on it
edit - and/or concerned outsiders
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On July 21 2012 23:23 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 22:44 Cutlery wrote:On July 21 2012 00:29 jdseemoreglass wrote:On July 21 2012 00:28 Cutlery wrote:
I hope the survivng victims have health insurance?? Why, you think the ambulance is going to ask for their insurance card before they treat the gunshots? No, but it would suck to have been shot and deal with that, and on top of everything know that their lives will be pretty much changed forever because they'll have to spend the rest of it to pay that one bill. God forbid any tax money went to help victims of accidents. the hospital bills will be paid by the cinema, i would be willing to bet money on it edit - and/or concerned outsiders
The cinema? How is the cinema culpable at all?
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On July 21 2012 23:42 DoubleReed wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 23:23 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote:On July 21 2012 22:44 Cutlery wrote:On July 21 2012 00:29 jdseemoreglass wrote:On July 21 2012 00:28 Cutlery wrote:
I hope the survivng victims have health insurance?? Why, you think the ambulance is going to ask for their insurance card before they treat the gunshots? No, but it would suck to have been shot and deal with that, and on top of everything know that their lives will be pretty much changed forever because they'll have to spend the rest of it to pay that one bill. God forbid any tax money went to help victims of accidents. the hospital bills will be paid by the cinema, i would be willing to bet money on it edit - and/or concerned outsiders The cinema? How is the cinema culpable at all?
Because they didn't have the proper security to prevent someone from walking in the back door to the theater? I really don't understand why theaters don't have increased security for midnight screenings of big movies.
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On July 22 2012 00:22 Okiesmokie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 23:42 DoubleReed wrote:On July 21 2012 23:23 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote:On July 21 2012 22:44 Cutlery wrote:On July 21 2012 00:29 jdseemoreglass wrote:On July 21 2012 00:28 Cutlery wrote:
I hope the survivng victims have health insurance?? Why, you think the ambulance is going to ask for their insurance card before they treat the gunshots? No, but it would suck to have been shot and deal with that, and on top of everything know that their lives will be pretty much changed forever because they'll have to spend the rest of it to pay that one bill. God forbid any tax money went to help victims of accidents. the hospital bills will be paid by the cinema, i would be willing to bet money on it edit - and/or concerned outsiders The cinema? How is the cinema culpable at all? Because they didn't have the proper security to prevent someone from walking in the back door to the theater? I really don't understand why theaters don't have increased security for midnight screenings of big movies.
Dafuq? Just because it was a theater this time doesnt mean its gonna be a theater next time. Do we have to have bigtime screening in every shopping mall, every school, every club, every bath now?
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How come all these things always take place in america?
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On July 22 2012 01:16 M7Jagger wrote:
How come all these things always take place in america?
Surely being from Sweden you couldn't possibly be ignorant to the somewhat recent tragedy that happened in Norway
edit: damn, just found out tomorrow is the 1 year anniversary of the attack
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On July 22 2012 01:16 M7Jagger wrote:
How come all these things always take place in america?
Why did you think this was an interesting or intelligent thing to say? Do you really want to change the entire topic to answer your really ignorant question?
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On July 22 2012 01:16 M7Jagger wrote:
How come all these things always take place in america?
They don't, but it's a big country. Really big country.
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On July 22 2012 00:22 Okiesmokie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 23:42 DoubleReed wrote:On July 21 2012 23:23 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote:On July 21 2012 22:44 Cutlery wrote:On July 21 2012 00:29 jdseemoreglass wrote:On July 21 2012 00:28 Cutlery wrote:
I hope the survivng victims have health insurance?? Why, you think the ambulance is going to ask for their insurance card before they treat the gunshots? No, but it would suck to have been shot and deal with that, and on top of everything know that their lives will be pretty much changed forever because they'll have to spend the rest of it to pay that one bill. God forbid any tax money went to help victims of accidents. the hospital bills will be paid by the cinema, i would be willing to bet money on it edit - and/or concerned outsiders The cinema? How is the cinema culpable at all? Because they didn't have the proper security to prevent someone from walking in the back door to the theater? I really don't understand why theaters don't have increased security for midnight screenings of big movies.
...does anyone expect a theater to be able to have that kind of security? It's a theater.
As far as someone walking in the back door of the theater, all that theaters would worry about it people watching the movie without paying. Which would be completely up to the theater whether or not they spend money to enforce it.
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On July 22 2012 00:22 Okiesmokie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 23:42 DoubleReed wrote:On July 21 2012 23:23 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote:On July 21 2012 22:44 Cutlery wrote:On July 21 2012 00:29 jdseemoreglass wrote:On July 21 2012 00:28 Cutlery wrote:
I hope the survivng victims have health insurance?? Why, you think the ambulance is going to ask for their insurance card before they treat the gunshots? No, but it would suck to have been shot and deal with that, and on top of everything know that their lives will be pretty much changed forever because they'll have to spend the rest of it to pay that one bill. God forbid any tax money went to help victims of accidents. the hospital bills will be paid by the cinema, i would be willing to bet money on it edit - and/or concerned outsiders The cinema? How is the cinema culpable at all? Because they didn't have the proper security to prevent someone from walking in the back door to the theater? I really don't understand why theaters don't have increased security for midnight screenings of big movies.
depends, there is a police sub station next to my movie theater but that's because the area is a shopping hub and so the police tend to always be in the area anyways esp at night just due to general crime.
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On July 22 2012 01:22 PanN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 01:16 M7Jagger wrote:
How come all these things always take place in america? Why did you think this was an interesting or intelligent thing to say? Do you really want to change the entire topic to answer your really ignorant question?
I'm just curious, and maybe it was a subtle way for me to point out that there is something wrong with your country. Yeah sure, Breivik did something similar but much, much worse last year, but that was a one time thing. I can't remember I heard about a massacre here in Sweden or Norway, and at the same time, I can't count how many times i've heard about shootings and other similar incidents in america. You people must hate each other.
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On July 22 2012 01:16 M7Jagger wrote:
How come all these things always take place in america?
I'm assuming you already know the answer to your question, but obviously a large reason is loose gun control laws.
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On July 22 2012 01:36 HellRoxYa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 01:16 M7Jagger wrote:
How come all these things always take place in america? They don't, but it's a big country. Really big country.
So is Canada, but I don't hear about any school shootings in Canada.
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On July 22 2012 01:36 DoubleReed wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 00:22 Okiesmokie wrote:On July 21 2012 23:42 DoubleReed wrote:On July 21 2012 23:23 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote:On July 21 2012 22:44 Cutlery wrote:On July 21 2012 00:29 jdseemoreglass wrote:On July 21 2012 00:28 Cutlery wrote:
I hope the survivng victims have health insurance?? Why, you think the ambulance is going to ask for their insurance card before they treat the gunshots? No, but it would suck to have been shot and deal with that, and on top of everything know that their lives will be pretty much changed forever because they'll have to spend the rest of it to pay that one bill. God forbid any tax money went to help victims of accidents. the hospital bills will be paid by the cinema, i would be willing to bet money on it edit - and/or concerned outsiders The cinema? How is the cinema culpable at all? Because they didn't have the proper security to prevent someone from walking in the back door to the theater? I really don't understand why theaters don't have increased security for midnight screenings of big movies. ...does anyone expect a theater to be able to have that kind of security? It's a theater. As far as someone walking in the back door of the theater, all that theaters would worry about it people watching the movie without paying. Which would be completely up to the theater whether or not they spend money to enforce it.
Because somehow theaters don't have the money to hire legitimate security guards? My local grocery store has armed security guards and nothings ever happened there. Why is it so appaling for a theater to have them?
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On July 22 2012 01:40 Tewks44 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 01:16 M7Jagger wrote:
How come all these things always take place in america? I'm assuming you already know the answer to your question, but obviously a large reason is loose gun control laws.
That's one reason, but it can't be only one, because if you really need a gun, you're going to get your hands on one, even in Sweden where the gun laws are super hard.
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