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killa_robot
Canada1884 Posts
On June 21 2012 07:48 EchelonTee wrote: I always wonder how people get away with calling our country stupid when have virtually all of the highest level college institutions. That only matters if all of your population goes to college. They're refering to the majority of the population, no the small percentage that went through post-secondary education. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On June 21 2012 07:48 EchelonTee wrote: I always wonder how people get away with calling our country stupid when have virtually all of the highest level college institutions. I don't see this generation becoming competent leaders in academia. Moreover, don't you find it a bit odd that despite the best secondary educational resources available to them, Americans fail pretty fucking hard at meeting demands for these high skilled jobs? | ||
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MoonfireSpam
United Kingdom1153 Posts
On June 21 2012 08:04 killa_robot wrote: That only matters if all of your population goes to college. They're refering to the majority of the population, no the small percentage that went through post-secondary education. There was a nice little rant from Michio Kaku about how although America has world leading research and educational facilities, most of the top posts are not filled by Americans. i.e. although American institutions kick ass, its because of foreign input, and they end up educating foreigners more than Americans to the highest level. No idea how true it is, but it does demonstrate how a country can have world class stuff but not world class citizens. Sortof like how once the old generation retires, there will probably be much much fewer English doctors, because native Brits are that under represented. | ||
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farvacola
United States18846 Posts
On June 21 2012 08:08 Judicator wrote: I don't see this generation becoming competent leaders in academia. Moreover, don't you find it a bit odd that despite the best secondary educational resources available to them, Americans fail pretty fucking hard at meeting demands for these high skilled jobs? It's not odd at all. Once Americans get to higher education, they do fine in comparison to other countries. It's getting there that is the issue, and the obvious problem is the state of primary and secondary ed in the United States. In addition to a shift in labor concentrations, the current structure of public education is to blame. | ||
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smarty pants
United States78 Posts
On June 21 2012 07:59 farvacola wrote: What do you mean who really cares? I can't believe this would be a surprise to you, but the racial make-up and demographic representation of incoming/recent immigrants is of immense importance in the US, be it politically, economically, or socially. The burgeoning Asian-American population is already having an impact on higher ed and the cultural sensibilities of admissions boards for colleges. Common ports of entry for Asian immigrants will see increased population growth, both short and long term, so there will certainly be regional and local effects, as there already have been. The interpretations of what this new fact means are varied and difficult to pin down, but I assure you people care. Congrats, you missed his point completely. He says its irrelevant what race it is. You're just being a good democrat and making it a race issue. This would be good news for anyone. | ||
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only_human89
United States212 Posts
On June 21 2012 08:10 MoonfireSpam wrote: There was a nice little rant from Michio Kaku about how although America has world leading research and educational facilities, most of the top posts are not filled by Americans. i.e. although American institutions kick ass, its because of foreign input, and they end up educating foreigners more than Americans to the highest level. No idea how true it is, but it does demonstrate how a country can have world class stuff but not world class citizens. Sortof like how once the old generation retires, there will probably be much much fewer English doctors, because native Brits are that under represented. I think I knew immediately what you were referring. This video perhaps? | ||
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farvacola
United States18846 Posts
On June 21 2012 08:15 smarty pants wrote: Congrats, you missed his point completely. He says its irrelevant what race it is. You're just being a good democrat and making it a race issue. This would be good news for anyone. We can pretend all people and cultures are the same, or we can grow up and learn to toe the line between discussing cultural differences and racism. A thousand Mexicans and a thousand Koreans walk into a bar.......and everyone orders the same drink. | ||
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OkStyX
Canada1199 Posts
On June 21 2012 07:42 NB wrote: oh hey.... there are people who can do math in your country now You guys are really out of control just because someone made a comment like this Which is uncalled for but , you guys don't need to take personal offence to it he didn't say YOU as a person can't do math he made a broad generalization ( which isn't very founded) | ||
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ZeaL.
United States5955 Posts
On June 21 2012 08:10 MoonfireSpam wrote: There was a nice little rant from Michio Kaku about how although America has world leading research and educational facilities, most of the top posts are not filled by Americans. i.e. although American institutions kick ass, its because of foreign input, and they end up educating foreigners more than Americans to the highest level. No idea how true it is, but it does demonstrate how a country can have world class stuff but not world class citizens. Sortof like how once the old generation retires, there will probably be much much fewer English doctors, because native Brits are that under represented. It's so true. Walk into any decent chemistry or physics department and I guarantee you will hear mandarin being spoken somewhere. Same for biology (especially molecular/cell), though not as severe. There aren't just chinese people either, I was in a meeting just recently where there was a Brit, an Italian, a Chinese guy, and me, the only dude raised in the US and this thing isn't uncommon. The US just houses the best post secondary institutions and attracts other countries' smartest individuals. | ||
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smarty pants
United States78 Posts
On June 21 2012 08:18 farvacola wrote: We can pretend all people and cultures are the same, or we can grow up and learn to toe the line between discussing cultural differences and racism. A thousand Mexicans and a thousand Koreans walk into a bar.......and everyone orders the same drink. Why should we spend so much time learning about other cultures? How about instead of learning at an early age that everyone is different and we should tolerate those differences we instead find similarities and use them to strengthen relationships. Respect is the ultimate tool in forming bonds. | ||
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EienShinwa
United States655 Posts
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epik640x
United States1134 Posts
On June 21 2012 08:03 dAPhREAk wrote: what exactly do you mean by "genetically Caucasian?" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Neighbor-joining_Tree-2.png | ||
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Northern_iight
Canada363 Posts
On June 21 2012 07:48 EchelonTee wrote: I always wonder how people get away with calling our country stupid when have virtually all of the highest level college institutions. Does that bold strike out to anyone else as much as it does to me? anyways, as long as the immigrants are legal I don't see what's the fuss about it. | ||
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On June 21 2012 08:10 MoonfireSpam wrote: There was a nice little rant from Michio Kaku about how although America has world leading research and educational facilities, most of the top posts are not filled by Americans. i.e. although American institutions kick ass, its because of foreign input, and they end up educating foreigners more than Americans to the highest level. No idea how true it is, but it does demonstrate how a country can have world class stuff but not world class citizens. Sortof like how once the old generation retires, there will probably be much much fewer English doctors, because native Brits are that under represented. It's very true. Check out the undergraduate profile versus graduate profile for Stanford: 8% versus 33% international (http://facts.stanford.edu/undergraduate.html and http://facts.stanford.edu/graduate.html). Empirically it used to be the case that those foreign grads would aspire to stay in the US and what not. But when I started working I met several foreign grads who's goal was to make a bunch of money in the US (higher salaries here than lots of the world) then go home and start their own company. You can blame lots of things for this, but a big part of it is that the standard of living in America isn't hugely higher than say Asia anymore (anyone been to Asia in the 80s? it's worlds different now). And probably the fall of the Soviet Union means less of those Eastern Europeans aren't going to stay in America either (I grew up around *lots* of Russian Jewish families who's parents had come here for education during the Cold War and never went back). Edit: Just got my report button.. accidentally hit report instead of quote at first; something about great power and all that huh? | ||
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smarty pants
United States78 Posts
On June 21 2012 08:41 Northern_iight wrote: I always wonder how people get away with calling our country stupid when have virtually all of the highest level college institutions. Does that bold strike out to anyone else as much as it does to me? anyways, as long as the immigrants are legal I don't see what's the fuss about it. [/QUOTE] It's a typo. It happens, stop being a douche. | ||
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Zhou
United States832 Posts
On June 21 2012 08:00 epik640x wrote: Note that this includes India. Article is misleading because Indians are genetically Caucasian and not what Americans think when they hear "Asian". This is true. Most immigrants now are actually from India if they could afford it. There would be little reason for the majority them to stay in their country in its current state. "Asians" that Americans usually know of such as Chinese, Korean, Japanese usually now only send their children here to study, but not to stay. The way I see it, most people who are immigrants coming here are no longer the poor who seek the once called "American Dream", but now a wealthy man's desire. It's a shame though, that a lot of poorer immigrants have little chance of becoming something more here now... | ||
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The_LiNk
Canada863 Posts
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
that is very interesting. wouldnt consider english so close to indian/iranian. | ||
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On June 21 2012 08:50 dAPhREAk wrote: that is very interesting. wouldnt consider english so close to indian/iranian. I think it's more a case of 'Caucasian' being more diverse genetically than the other 3 groups. I wonder how distinct the entire middle east / Indian part of the Caucasian grouping is from the rest; like would geneticists laugh at the notion of considering middle east / Indian as a 5th racial group? Edit: Then again the Iran / India and Europe branched out of Central Asia according to the Indo-Aryan migration theory (linky: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Indo-European_isoglosses.png) | ||
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ecstatica
United States542 Posts
On June 21 2012 08:56 Wuster wrote: I think it's more a case of 'Caucasian' being more diverse genetically than the other 3 groups. I wonder how distinct the entire middle east / Indian part of the Caucasian grouping is from the rest; like would geneticists laugh at the notion of considering middle east / Indian as a 5th racial group? Edit: Then again the Iran / India and Europe branched out of Central Asia according to the Indo-Aryan migration theory (linky: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Indo-European_isoglosses.png) I wouldn't jump to conclusions based off this image, at best you can say we don't know, you can also say that it's false. Indian part is probably true in relation to this discussion, assuming we're talking biology, not geography. | ||
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