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Toxi78
Profile Joined May 2010
966 Posts
June 13 2012 12:13 GMT
#161
it's funny how if you post a retarded question that even 12 years old kids that are somewhat "smart" could answer you get 8 pages of smartasses trying to prove you they are more intelligent than people from the MIT / Princeton / Harvard and making a point to show you they found the correct answer.
point is, many people that don't study maths are really average in it and have no idea how to actually solve a problem. IQ is not a good way to measure intelligence, just like these questions. The bias is thinking maths (or anything somewhat scientifically oriented, which involves series, patterns) is the only thing to define intelligence. I'd say your whole studies that enabled you to get accepted at Harvard are a better measure than a stupid question.
Lobo2me
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway1213 Posts
June 13 2012 12:14 GMT
#162
Here's a little task:

In sample 1, A has a concentration of 2 and a signal of 300. B has a concentration of 3 and a signal of 600.
In sample 2, A has a concentration of 4 and a signal of 1200. B has a signal of 1800, what's the concentration?
Bad manners are better than no manners at all.
Chilling5pr33
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Germany518 Posts
June 13 2012 12:17 GMT
#163
5cents i dont believe your whole presentation ^^
F-
Chilling5pr33
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Germany518 Posts
June 13 2012 12:18 GMT
#164
On June 13 2012 21:14 Lobo2me wrote:
Here's a little task:

In sample 1, A has a concentration of 2 and a signal of 300. B has a concentration of 3 and a signal of 600.
In sample 2, A has a concentration of 4 and a signal of 1200. B has a signal of 1800, what's the concentration?


4.5?
F-
Lobo2me
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway1213 Posts
June 13 2012 12:19 GMT
#165
On June 13 2012 21:18 Chilling5pr33 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 21:14 Lobo2me wrote:
Here's a little task:

In sample 1, A has a concentration of 2 and a signal of 300. B has a concentration of 3 and a signal of 600.
In sample 2, A has a concentration of 4 and a signal of 1200. B has a signal of 1800, what's the concentration?


4.5?

How did you arrive at that answer?
Bad manners are better than no manners at all.
NDDseer
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia204 Posts
June 13 2012 12:22 GMT
#166
5 cents. But i've seen a ton of similar problems.

[On balance, and qq about cheese] "Sure some strategies might be easier to execute, but you can do them too - you have the same tools as your opponent, including your race selection." - Pokebunny
Umpteen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1570 Posts
June 13 2012 12:25 GMT
#167
I vividly remember falling foul of this kind of thing once.

We had a multiple choice test in junior school - 40 or 50 questions with a separate answer sheet of tick-boxes. I blazed through the questions and finished first. Then when we went through the answers I discovered that I'd missed out question 10. Every answer correct, but filled in one row too high up. I think it was half trying to be too clever, and half the fact that I'm left-handed, so my hand obscured the question numbers on the answer sheet as I worked my way down.
The existence of a food chain is inescapable if we evolved unsupervised, and inexcusable otherwise.
Chilling5pr33
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Germany518 Posts
June 13 2012 12:29 GMT
#168
On June 13 2012 21:19 Lobo2me wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 21:18 Chilling5pr33 wrote:
On June 13 2012 21:14 Lobo2me wrote:
Here's a little task:

In sample 1, A has a concentration of 2 and a signal of 300. B has a concentration of 3 and a signal of 600.
In sample 2, A has a concentration of 4 and a signal of 1200. B has a signal of 1800, what's the concentration?


4.5?

How did you arrive at that answer?


2-300
3-600
4-1200

so
5-2400
and
1-150

have no clue if it should be something like 4.65 since numbers grow faster as higher you get... (if you know what i mean)
F-
ensign_lee
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1178 Posts
June 13 2012 12:29 GMT
#169
X + Y = 1.1
Y = 1 + X

~~~
1 + X + X = 1.1

1 + 2X = 1.1

2X = .1

X = .05

ioFilip
Profile Joined October 2010
Romania33 Posts
June 13 2012 12:30 GMT
#170
I'm reading right now "Thinking, fast and slow" by Kahneman.Higly recommended he talks about our biases in thinking and gives this example in the beginning of the book.
My life for Aiur
Shottaz
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom414 Posts
June 13 2012 12:31 GMT
#171
I read this today and immediately said 10 cents.

I have only just come to the conclusion that it is 5 cents. If a bat has to cost a dollar more than the ball.

Ball = 0 Bat = 1.00 total 1.00
Ball = 0.05 Bat = 1.05 total 1.10 <------- Correct
Ball = 0.10 Bat = 1.10 total 1.20


I'm surprised how long this took me to get this. I must be massively intelligent, however not as intelligent as someone who still think the the ball is 10 cents.
Praise the sun! \o/
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
June 13 2012 12:33 GMT
#172
I'm inclined to say that the main reason this occurs more often in intelligent people is because they are more confident in their ability to quickly analyze a situation. They are not used to being challenged by questions on tests. They skim the question, say "this is easy" and write the first thing that comes to mind. For a less intelligent individual, they are more used to being required to think in order to answer such a question. They will ponder it for a moment and come to the correct (obvious) conclusion.

It's not a big mystery to me. The questions don't take any kind of advanced brainpower to solve, that's why most people assume they can breeze through them.
We found Dove in a soapless place.
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
June 13 2012 12:35 GMT
#173
On June 13 2012 21:13 Toxi78 wrote:
it's funny how if you post a retarded question that even 12 years old kids that are somewhat "smart" could answer you get 8 pages of smartasses trying to prove you they are more intelligent than people from the MIT / Princeton / Harvard and making a point to show you they found the correct answer.
point is, many people that don't study maths are really average in it and have no idea how to actually solve a problem. IQ is not a good way to measure intelligence, just like these questions. The bias is thinking maths (or anything somewhat scientifically oriented, which involves series, patterns) is the only thing to define intelligence. I'd say your whole studies that enabled you to get accepted at Harvard are a better measure than a stupid question.


While you may be right, I wouldn't consider either one of those examples a "math problem". They are just trick questions that make sense to anybody when they stop to think about it.
We found Dove in a soapless place.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 12:40:20
June 13 2012 12:40 GMT
#174
Edit: Shit wrong thread.
Felnarion
Profile Joined December 2011
442 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 12:40:50
June 13 2012 12:40 GMT
#175
I love how simple math questions are being posted for absolutely no reason whatsoever.

I'm unsure of the point of the article/study as well, as it essentially says "Intelligent people are far less likely to doubt themselves and their held knowledge than dumb ones" which is just common sense.

Simple, basic, meaningless, math teasers are not stimulating. The bat and ball, the pond, this is not stimulating. The goal of questions such as these is to get the answer and move on. Not to study the problem, roll it around in the mind, focus on specific details, and enjoy the problem solving experience.

In problems such as these, I think you would find that those "more intelligent" people perform significantly higher when they're doing something they enjoy and want to do.
Cynry
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
810 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 13:14:27
June 13 2012 12:40 GMT
#176
On June 13 2012 21:19 Lobo2me wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 21:18 Chilling5pr33 wrote:
On June 13 2012 21:14 Lobo2me wrote:
Here's a little task:

In sample 1, A has a concentration of 2 and a signal of 300. B has a concentration of 3 and a signal of 600.
In sample 2, A has a concentration of 4 and a signal of 1200. B has a signal of 1800, what's the concentration?


4.5?

How did you arrive at that answer?


For A to be coherent through both samples, either every unit of concentration adds 300 from concentration 1 = 0, or every unit of concentration doubles the signal, starting from concentration 1 = 150. Both thesis are ok with B being concentration 3 with signal 600, which I find weird considering that it's another sample but I don't really know what you're talking about anyway ^^
First thesis gives concentration 6 for B in sample 2, second thesis gives 4.5
Shottaz
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom414 Posts
June 13 2012 12:42 GMT
#177
"So, you're interested in coming to Harvard, I just have one question for you...

A bat and ball costs..."
Praise the sun! \o/
Zedders
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada450 Posts
June 13 2012 12:42 GMT
#178
On June 13 2012 13:24 nutgirdle wrote:
Lets go with ego. Let me explain: Smart people know they are smart. They also want to answer the question in the least amount of time, and get on with doing things they deem more important. Some might even be lazy, and assume their intuition is powerful enough to get the right answer right away. Therefore, the hop to a reasonably justifiable conclusion using bits and pieces of data to support what they think the answer should be.

Yeah but smart people don't recognize where they fall short.
GizmoPT
Profile Joined May 2010
Portugal3040 Posts
June 13 2012 12:45 GMT
#179
so it means people that think it was 10 cents are smarter thana the guys that answer 0.5 right away so i think most of TL guys are dumb although they answered right ;D
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Lobo2me
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway1213 Posts
June 13 2012 12:45 GMT
#180
On June 13 2012 21:29 Chilling5pr33 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 21:19 Lobo2me wrote:
On June 13 2012 21:18 Chilling5pr33 wrote:
On June 13 2012 21:14 Lobo2me wrote:
Here's a little task:

In sample 1, A has a concentration of 2 and a signal of 300. B has a concentration of 3 and a signal of 600.
In sample 2, A has a concentration of 4 and a signal of 1200. B has a signal of 1800, what's the concentration?


4.5?

How did you arrive at that answer?


2-300
3-600
4-1200

so
5-2400
and
1-150

have no clue if it should be something like 4.65 since numbers grow faster as higher you get... (if you know what i mean)


You did get the right answer, but it was purely through luck.

From sample 1 to sample 2, equal concentration would get 2x signal, which is seen with A (2x concentration -> 4x signal). That means when B had a 3x signal increase, it was a 1.5x concentration increase. For example if the signal for B in sample 1 had been 1200, the concentration would be 2.25.
Bad manners are better than no manners at all.
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