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Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
June 13 2012 12:49 GMT
#181
Easy question..

Thought 10 cent the first second but then was like... no that's wrong.. got 5 cent 2 seconds later.
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
Lobo2me
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway1213 Posts
June 13 2012 12:53 GMT
#182
On June 13 2012 21:42 Zedders wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 13:24 nutgirdle wrote:
Lets go with ego. Let me explain: Smart people know they are smart. They also want to answer the question in the least amount of time, and get on with doing things they deem more important. Some might even be lazy, and assume their intuition is powerful enough to get the right answer right away. Therefore, the hop to a reasonably justifiable conclusion using bits and pieces of data to support what they think the answer should be.

Yeah but smart people don't recognize where they fall short.


"Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments"
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.64.2655&rep=rep1&type=pdf

In that research, the people that performed best underestimated themselves relative to how they thought the rest of the test subjects performed. However they had no problem estimating their actual test score.
The people that performed worst, overestimated their performance relative to how they thought the rest of the test subjects performed. They also overestimated their actual test score.
Bad manners are better than no manners at all.
Lobo2me
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway1213 Posts
June 13 2012 12:55 GMT
#183
On June 13 2012 21:45 GizmoPT wrote:
so it means people that think it was 10 cents are smarter thana the guys that answer 0.5 right away so i think most of TL guys are dumb although they answered right ;D

0.5 cents or 0.5 dollars? Or did you mean 0.5 dimes?
Bad manners are better than no manners at all.
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
June 13 2012 12:59 GMT
#184
On June 13 2012 21:45 Lobo2me wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 21:29 Chilling5pr33 wrote:
On June 13 2012 21:19 Lobo2me wrote:
On June 13 2012 21:18 Chilling5pr33 wrote:
On June 13 2012 21:14 Lobo2me wrote:
Here's a little task:

In sample 1, A has a concentration of 2 and a signal of 300. B has a concentration of 3 and a signal of 600.
In sample 2, A has a concentration of 4 and a signal of 1200. B has a signal of 1800, what's the concentration?


4.5?

How did you arrive at that answer?


2-300
3-600
4-1200

so
5-2400
and
1-150

have no clue if it should be something like 4.65 since numbers grow faster as higher you get... (if you know what i mean)


You did get the right answer, but it was purely through luck.

From sample 1 to sample 2, equal concentration would get 2x signal, which is seen with A (2x concentration -> 4x signal). That means when B had a 3x signal increase, it was a 1.5x concentration increase. For example if the signal for B in sample 1 had been 1200, the concentration would be 2.25.
I see no reason to assume B has the same concentration-signal relation as A.
SheepSayMeh
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands16 Posts
June 13 2012 13:03 GMT
#185
I already knew the question so I didn't fall for it. I did fall for it the first time tho.
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4783 Posts
June 13 2012 13:05 GMT
#186
On June 13 2012 21:14 Lobo2me wrote:
Here's a little task:

In sample 1, A has a concentration of 2 and a signal of 300. B has a concentration of 3 and a signal of 600.
In sample 2, A has a concentration of 4 and a signal of 1200. B has a signal of 1800, what's the concentration?


Nowhere is it stated that B and A follows the concentration/signal curve or that there is any connection. I'm going to go right ahead and say that since B has a 3 times higher concentration in sample 2 the answer is also a 3 times increase in concentration meaning 9.

You either need to specify a correlation between the 2 substances (A and B) or define a rate at which concentration/signal rises. Without either of those limits imposed I'm free to assume that B follows linear trend.

Rassy
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2308 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 13:20:25
June 13 2012 13:18 GMT
#187
Hm

I dont know if this is realy suprising, its also not so easy to understand what is meant in the article.
There 2 different things:
The cognitive bias itself, and the blind spot for this (the ability to recognise your own cognitive bias)
The blindspot is discussed in the article and they basicly say that the blindspot is bigger with people who have a high iq.
Smarter people overestimate their own judgement more then stupid people.
That doesnt make them less smart btw!, it just means that they are a bit less smart then they think they are.

The part of the article your quoted only talks about this blindspot for the cognitive bias. It does not say annything about the seize of the cognitive bias itself.

You need to have cognition before you can have a bias in the first place.
Smarter people know more (have more cognition) so most likely also will be more biased due to this cognition.
All knowledge is a bias you can kinda argue, it does not make it less valuable.
GiftPflanZe
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Germany623 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 13:47:52
June 13 2012 13:19 GMT
#188
I dont get it.10 cents for me,I feel really dumb.but I actually sucked in math my whole life.

edit : ok I got it lol.
...
paralleluniverse
Profile Joined July 2010
4065 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 13:20:16
June 13 2012 13:19 GMT
#189
I don't see how asking a bunch of trick math questions measures cognitive bias.

I would have thought cognitive bias is about, for example, not believing climate change or evolution despite all the evidence.

So what's a bunch of trick math questions got to do with it?
hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 13:25:05
June 13 2012 13:24 GMT
#190
Meh, got both right intuitively. Intuition can be trained just like anything else.

Anyway, I've seen the claim that smart people can be more prone to cognitive biases than average ones. Specifically they were better at rationalizing their position when they were wrong, while the average person was more likely to accept the right answer on authority

The point is to use your intelligence to look for the truth not to defend positions you're mindlessly drawn to.
"Sending people in rockets to other planets is a waste of money better spent on sending rockets into people on this planet."
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
June 13 2012 13:30 GMT
#191
I agree with the results of this study but this whole experiment method seems really bad. How are we supposed to know this has anything to do with actual bias and isn't just because smarter people are likely more comfortable with tests and logical experiments and considerably less likely to take them seriously? I'm not at all confident this measures what they think it does, these amount to silly riddles and I don't think it's much of a surprise that intelligence has no bearing on someone's ability to answer them in this setting.

There is a certain, beautiful irony to a team of PhDs writing a study about cognitive bias and trying so hard to come up with the conclusion of "smart people can't solve problems through thinking and introspection". Meta as fuck.
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hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 13:32:48
June 13 2012 13:31 GMT
#192
Weird, I intuitively thought 5 cents. (programmer)
Cynry
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
810 Posts
June 13 2012 13:36 GMT
#193
On June 13 2012 22:18 Rassy wrote:
You need to have cognition before you can have a bias in the first place.
Smarter people know more (have more cognition) so most likely also will be more biased due to this cognition.


You also need an exterior idea to compare to your own to have a bias. One can imagine that the smarter someone is, the more likely he is to be right, and thus to have more of a habit to "reject" ideas.
AnachronisticAnarchy
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States2957 Posts
June 13 2012 13:38 GMT
#194
I'm not quite sure why this is very surprising. I mean, intelligence is basically the general prowess of your brain, and cognitive bias is part of your thinking process. Thus, it stands to reason that, as the potency of your brain in general increases, so too does the parts involved in the thinking process, including bias.
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EneMecH
Profile Joined March 2012
United Kingdom218 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 13:42:31
June 13 2012 13:39 GMT
#195
I think it just takes smarter people longer to solve it, to the point where they move forward, because they're minds try to better justify the incorrect answer to themselves before exploring all alternatives.
Tears soaks each hand the dealer's dealt. But time taught me how to see every second as heaven even when they're perfectly disguised as hell.
HallBregg
Profile Joined November 2010
134 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 13:42:04
June 13 2012 13:40 GMT
#196
5 cents

Also, In my experience this kind of problms are better solved taking a paper and writing an equation, forcing the mathematical abstracion helps aboid silly mistakes.
proves and pilons
ott
Profile Joined April 2011
United States74 Posts
June 13 2012 13:45 GMT
#197
So...... If I got both questions correct wht does that mean?
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EneMecH
Profile Joined March 2012
United Kingdom218 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 13:51:42
June 13 2012 13:47 GMT
#198
Also, the question is written ambiguously and can equally mean "The bat costs a dollar more than (only) the ball" as the full logical grammitcal structure should be "The bat costs a dollar more than the ball does."

Therefore, it makes sense to automatically assume the simpler option and then your brain (I believe, especially an intelligent one) will better try to justify this position further before exploring more complicated alternatives. I believe that people would get bored of it and conclude the answer before then, as the question itself is assanine and the answer irrelevant.
Tears soaks each hand the dealer's dealt. But time taught me how to see every second as heaven even when they're perfectly disguised as hell.
MHT
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1026 Posts
June 13 2012 13:49 GMT
#199
Funny how I answered a question wrong and and turns out it is the smart answer! :D
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
June 13 2012 13:49 GMT
#200
Since when are undergraduates considered as smart people ? Would this test have been based on IQ, every person in the 2% would have get the problem right in less than one second.
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