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HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
June 13 2012 14:02 GMT
#201
5 cents & 1 dollar and 5 cents.

And you know Otolia, IQ is a bullshit number that has very little to do with intelligence. Still top 2% would probably get those right straightaway.
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Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9110 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 14:09:53
June 13 2012 14:06 GMT
#202
5 cents, maybe asking at the beginning of the post to respond before you make me paranoid about a trick questions and I'd get it wrong.

Btw imo everyone that responded with the bat's price as well is technically wrong right? The question only asks about the ball
Ausfailia
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia123 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 14:17:38
June 13 2012 14:17 GMT
#203
Just my two cents as an engineering student (number problems, number problems everywhere):

It's pretty apparent the type of thinking that the "obvious" answers (half and 10c) to these two questions expose - people who respond with the first number that comes to mind; rather how I (and I assume most other people inclined to math/engineering/what have you) answer the question is to spot the obvious and subconsciously ask "does this make sense?".

These are really just catches to see who instinctively validates their answer with a quick logical justification.

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Though it is funny seeing people in this thread try to justify how much smarter they think they are than others by getting the right answer.
Nevermind86
Profile Joined August 2009
Somalia429 Posts
June 13 2012 14:43 GMT
#204
I think this is pretty simple: Our education system is based mostly on memorizing everybody else's opinion or at best attending to "critical thinking" classes, but students are not used to facing real problems, most of the time in exams the problems are expected to be solved in a certain pre-determined way. This has been recognized for ages already, so people with degrees, especially things like law or economy where you need to read a lot becomes a memorization-fest, that's why discussing anything with people of those professions is always hard because they cannot accept some of their knowledge could be wrong because somebody else -- insert name -- "proved it's right", so the knowledge becomes prejudices.

Now if you do this study to chess players or to starcraft players who are used to solving problems every time they play, their minds would find the solution deffinevitely faster, most of the smartest people I've known play chess, it's a generalization of course but the constant solving of problems do make these people smarter, these simple problems would be easy for them to resolve.

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HellRoxYa
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden1614 Posts
June 13 2012 14:49 GMT
#205
On June 13 2012 19:10 Mindor wrote:
Edit: Also, what kind of intelligent people are we talking about? One of the smartest people I've ever known was a history teacher at my highschool who was a complete tool at math. He'd sooner hold a two hour presentation on any topic of your choice than solve any of the problems above correctly.


Being knowledgeable (aka intellectual) doesn't necessairly mean you're smart (intelligent). Meaning that just because he can process, store, and retell a lot of information but that doesn't necessairly mean he understands it, nor (and perhaps more importantly) create any new solutions of his own.
Silidons
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2813 Posts
June 13 2012 14:52 GMT
#206
hahaha i knew that "smarter" would mean "has a degree". oh what the system has done, in 10 years you'll need a degree to work at a liquor store. only people with science degrees do i consider "smart".
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Nevermind86
Profile Joined August 2009
Somalia429 Posts
June 13 2012 14:56 GMT
#207
On June 13 2012 23:49 HellRoxYa wrote:
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On June 13 2012 19:10 Mindor wrote:
Edit: Also, what kind of intelligent people are we talking about? One of the smartest people I've ever known was a history teacher at my highschool who was a complete tool at math. He'd sooner hold a two hour presentation on any topic of your choice than solve any of the problems above correctly.


Being knowledgeable (aka intellectual) doesn't necessairly mean you're smart (intelligent). Meaning that just because he can process, store, and retell a lot of information but that doesn't necessairly mean he understands it, nor (and perhaps more importantly) create any new solutions of his own.


Exactly what I said but much more to the point. The education system should focus on improving both memorizing a lot of information, plus solving problems because one without the other makes an educated individual incomplete.
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Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
June 13 2012 15:15 GMT
#208
On June 13 2012 23:02 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
5 cents & 1 dollar and 5 cents.

And you know Otolia, IQ is a bullshit number that has very little to do with intelligence. Still top 2% would probably get those right straightaway.

Whether you consider IQ as a accurate measurement or not, it doesn't change anything. People in TL tends to believe everything as long as an academician wrote a paper on it without even questioning the paradigm. If only they knew the amount of bullshit and pointless studies you can find in every scientific field ... And it's even worse in humanities ...
mprs
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2933 Posts
June 13 2012 15:19 GMT
#209
On June 14 2012 00:15 Otolia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 23:02 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
5 cents & 1 dollar and 5 cents.

And you know Otolia, IQ is a bullshit number that has very little to do with intelligence. Still top 2% would probably get those right straightaway.

Whether you consider IQ as a accurate measurement or not, it doesn't change anything. People in TL tends to believe everything as long as an academician wrote a paper on it without even questioning the paradigm. If only they knew the amount of bullshit and pointless studies you can find in every scientific field ... And it's even worse in humanities ...


Yeah but do you know how hard it is to publish something in a decent journal? You'd have to be a master bullshitter.
We talkin about PRACTICE
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
June 13 2012 15:19 GMT
#210
BAT AND BALL QUESTION
(Please reply with your answer, and please answer as spontaneously as possible.)
A bat and ball cost a dollar and ten cents. The bat costs a dollar more than the ball. How much does the ball cost?


5 cents
Deadlyhazard
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1177 Posts
June 13 2012 15:19 GMT
#211
I still don't get the 5 cents thing. It has to be 10 cents. FYI I failed statistics 3 times in college, I must not be a very intelligent person.
Hark!
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 15:22:42
June 13 2012 15:22 GMT
#212
On June 14 2012 00:19 Deadlyhazard wrote:
I still don't get the 5 cents thing. It has to be 10 cents. FYI I failed statistics 3 times in college, I must not be a very intelligent person.


10 plus 110 is 120.

5 plus 105 is 110.

I think that you getting it wrong means you're smart, not stupid.
Deadlyhazard
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1177 Posts
June 13 2012 15:25 GMT
#213
On June 14 2012 00:22 Zorkmid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2012 00:19 Deadlyhazard wrote:
I still don't get the 5 cents thing. It has to be 10 cents. FYI I failed statistics 3 times in college, I must not be a very intelligent person.


10 plus 110 is 120.

5 plus 105 is 110.

I think that you getting it wrong means you're smart, not stupid.

OH MAH GOD it makes perfect sense now. I feel like an idiot!
Hark!
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 15:53:46
June 13 2012 15:27 GMT
#214
I'm not buying it. There are different kinds of intelligence so being good at IQ (a combination of some) doesnt guaranty you are good at some other one (like creative thinking). Should there be a negative correlation is a good question and I would generally say no. But there is a lot of evidence that different thinking patterns interfere with each other so there might be. And last thing since their results are a bit sensationalist one cant be really sure they didnt manipulate a bit with results to get the statistics they need.
Cynry
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
810 Posts
June 13 2012 15:37 GMT
#215
On June 13 2012 23:02 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
IQ is a bullshit number that has very little to do with intelligence


Back this statement with something please, I'm interested.
sashamunguia
Profile Joined February 2011
Mexico423 Posts
June 13 2012 15:38 GMT
#216
5 cents
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CodECleaR
Profile Joined November 2010
United States395 Posts
June 13 2012 15:42 GMT
#217
5 cents if i'm not being stupid...
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Cereb
Profile Joined November 2011
Denmark3388 Posts
June 13 2012 15:44 GMT
#218
My hypothesis to the explain the result of this study could be that being "smart" is nothing but alot of well trained neurological connection in your brain. Basically system and pathways. If these are well developed I would assume that they would also be more set in their ways, and more likely to connect things to other things you know of which might be why the new and unexpected might fool these people more.


Atleast the kind of smart that scores high on alot of these test the people were meassured by.

You can never go into something completely unbiased and open-minded. You have to have assumptions and knowledge otherwise you won't get anywhere. Some people are in these situations at a disadvantage with more knowledge as they will have more knowledge to "help" them.
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18478 Posts
June 13 2012 15:49 GMT
#219
On June 13 2012 21:14 Lobo2me wrote:
Here's a little task:

In sample 1, A has a concentration of 2 and a signal of 300. B has a concentration of 3 and a signal of 600.
In sample 2, A has a concentration of 4 and a signal of 1200. B has a signal of 1800, what's the concentration?

Heh, not enough info. Are the samples from the same population? How much noise is there? Need the background. The answer could be anything the way you phrased this.

OT: the research is dumb, I got both answers right (first immediately, because that question has been asked soo often and the second after thinking through 10 cents first and realizing it was wrong... took about 5 seconds to get it right). Insofar as I can see the sample the researchers have is not at all unbiased and any possible conclusions should only hold for first year psychology students at a specific university in the USA. Not generalizable.

Conclusion: bad research is bad.
Detwiler
Profile Joined June 2011
United States239 Posts
June 13 2012 15:49 GMT
#220
Well from my experience many of the "smartest" people i have known are also the dumbest.They have zero practical knowledge and cant solve simple problems. I have a friend who is a rocket scientist (literally a rocket scientist) who lost his freaking mind one morning because his wifes car wouldnt start. He was freaking out because he had to get to work so did his wife and had to take his kids to school and he didnt know what to do. He was a mess and called me and i came over. Now this guy is a mechanical genius right? He looked at everything on that car. Except the battery cables. They were lose. Simple fix and he couldnt see it. Forest through the trees or some such.
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