EPTGay Scout Resolution - Page 10
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Kickboxer
Slovenia1308 Posts
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B.I.G.
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folke123
Sweden133 Posts
In England, where scouting originated, there is no problem being gay. So the whole "tradition" argument falls kinda flat. Also it is fucking stupid out of obvious reasons | ||
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Evangelist
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Dekoth
United States527 Posts
On June 07 2012 11:36 ThePiedPiper wrote: As long as no raping occurs, im fine with anything. Second that stuff occurs, kick them out Wow..quality posting right there. You honestly should be ashamed of yourself for posting that. I think this is a good thing that BSA is considering removing barriers founded in bigotry. | ||
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Undrass
Norway381 Posts
On June 07 2012 21:16 Evangelist wrote: I am confident most first world bigotry will die off pretty soon. The internet's killing it pretty fast. I am very confident that bigotry will exist everywhere there are humans. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45776 Posts
On June 07 2012 20:49 Kickboxer wrote: Are the boy scouts a male-only organization? Because if they are this isn't as much about introducing gays in there as it is about introducing sex in there, and that's a whole different issue. According to the standard policy that's been cited several times, no girls are supposed to be allowed into the BSA. That being said, apparently some troops and troop leaders are more lenient and have allowed some girls in (in the same way that the occasional homosexual or atheist have been allowed too, against the official rules). | ||
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ShuttingFromTheSky
Japan199 Posts
On June 07 2012 21:16 Evangelist wrote: I am confident most first world bigotry will die off pretty soon. The internet's killing it pretty fast. Don't have too high hopes, lad. Bigotry will never be abolished as long as there are humans, and that's a good thing. | ||
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Hairy
United Kingdom1169 Posts
On June 07 2012 20:49 Kickboxer wrote: Are the boy scouts a male-only organization? Because if they are this isn't as much about introducing gays in there as it is about introducing sex in there, and that's a whole different issue. Allowing male homosexuals into a male-only organization doesn't "introduce sex in there" any more than a school teacher teaching opposite-sex students does. | ||
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
On June 07 2012 21:56 Hairy wrote: Allowing male homosexuals into a male-only organization doesn't "introduce sex in there" any more than a school teacher teaching opposite-sex students does. what's wrong with sex all of a sudden anyway?? | ||
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Iranon
United States983 Posts
Re: the Penn and Teller video, I only watched part of it, because I don't have half an hour to dick around listening to some guy rant on youtube, but I got the idea. Yeah, the official policy is bullshit, and some places actually run that way, and that's bullshit too. Agreed. Don't need half an hour to say that. You know what else is bullshit? That someone who hated camping and being outside joined the boy scouts and stayed there for what sounded like an extended period of time, and then got bitter about it. Why the fuck would you join the BSA if you hate doing basically all the things the BSA does? Re: atheists in BSA. Again, this comes down to how individual troops are run. There are no corporate honchos coming down to check up on your troop to make sure everyone's following company policy. It's just a bunch of teenage dudes, and a few of their parents volunteering to oversee the show. I'm an Eagle scout, and I was very open about being an atheist. Nobody gave a fuck, because I live in New England where people are generally accepting as long as you're a reasonable person. The only time it ever came up was in my Eagle court, where you're asked about all the points of the Scout Law, one of which is "reverence". I simply said that if anything, it's a little simple-minded to interpret that as loyalty to religion X; it should mean being mindful of the consequences of your actions, and being respectful of the people and things around you. Which is true. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45776 Posts
On June 07 2012 21:54 ShuttingFromTheSky wrote: Don't have too high hopes, lad. Bigotry will never be abolished as long as there are humans, and that's a good thing. Why is it a good thing that there will always be bigotry? Shouldn't we be striving to mimize (and eventually erase all) prejudice so that everyone can be treated fairly? Also, I do wonder how effective the internet has been at circulating hate or anti-hate. I feel like spreading education, policy, and ridicule of bigoted groups has helped, but I wonder if anyone has found any statistics or correlations (or if such a thing can actually be quantified to begin with). | ||
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CptCutter
United Kingdom370 Posts
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Dekoth
United States527 Posts
On June 08 2012 04:06 CptCutter wrote: gays should be allowed to be members, but not leaders. i cant get all these catholic priest incidents from the UK out of my head. i have nothing against gays, but sometimes it could be a bit much putting a homosexual man in charge of a group of teenagers that go on camping trips and the such. Except you clearly do have something against them. Your post is contradictory. You say you have no problem, but if that were true then you wouldn't care. So obviously you have a problem, but you are just in denial about it. Being gay doesn't make someone a potential pedophile. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On June 08 2012 04:06 CptCutter wrote: gays should be allowed to be members, but not leaders. i cant get all these catholic priest incidents from the UK out of my head. i have nothing against gays, but sometimes it could be a bit much putting a homosexual man in charge of a group of teenagers that go on camping trips and the such. Gays and paedophiles are very different things. How many of those Catholic priests were openly gay? | ||
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Smat
United States301 Posts
On June 08 2012 04:06 CptCutter wrote: gays should be allowed to be members, but not leaders. i cant get all these catholic priest incidents from the UK out of my head. i have nothing against gays, but sometimes it could be a bit much putting a homosexual man in charge of a group of teenagers that go on camping trips and the such. Why do we allow males to be teachers at all? 99 percent of sexual abuse comes from males. I think for you to be consistent in your beliefs you'd have to be against allowing males to teach minors in high school and grade school. The vast majority of sexual abusers are straight. | ||
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DoubleReed
United States4130 Posts
On June 08 2012 04:22 Smat wrote: Why do we allow males to be teachers at all? 99 percent of sexual abuse comes from males. I think for you to be consistent in your beliefs you'd have to be against allowing males to teach minors in high school and grade school. The vast majority of sexual abusers are straight. Well, the vast majority of men are straight, so that's kind of useless. 99% of sexual abuse comes from males? I think it's high, but not that high. But yea, there's no correlation between pedophilia and homosexuality. | ||
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Alay
United States660 Posts
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On June 08 2012 04:24 DoubleReed wrote: Well, the vast majority of men are straight, so that's kind of useless. 99% of sexual abuse comes from males? I think it's high, but not that high. But yea, there's no correlation between pedophilia and homosexuality. So you think that gay men are more likely to abuse boys than straight men are? I find that very unlikely. In fact, I cannot recall hearing of any cases of openly gay paedophiles. Edit: Sorry, I misinterpreted. I agree the reason that most paedophiles are straight is because most men are straight. I would not be surprised if 99% of reported paedophiles are men. | ||
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DoubleReed
United States4130 Posts
On June 08 2012 04:29 hzflank wrote: So you think that gay men are more likely to abuse boys than straight men are? I find that very unlikely. In fact, I cannot recall hearing of any cases of openly gay paedophiles. ...you misread me, I think. I said the exact opposite of that first sentence. He said the vast majority of sexual abusers are straight. Well that's useless, because the vast majority of people are straight. | ||
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