You cannot make money out of making something abundant
Wal-Mart, ExxonMobil, Microsoft, General Mills, PepsiCo, General Motors, Hewlett-Packard, AT&T, and the rest of the companies on the Fortune 500 disagree.
So does every other business in existence.
But it is being halted because its no profitable.
"High volume and small profits per unit" has been the philosophy of the world's must successful businesses, if you weren't totally ignorant you'd know this already.
America is the most profitable country on earth and one of the sickest.
Nonsense, but totally inaccurate assertions are all you do.
On May 14 2012 00:54 Focuspants wrote: For the last time, YOUR STUPID VIDEOS PROVE NOTHING! They say how the world OUGHT to be, without giving even 1 shred of information, evidence, ANYTHING about how to get there. How can you possibly be so dense. Its mind boggling. Youve linked the same nonsensical videos 15 times, they are useless! Utterly, totally, USELESS.
You okay bro? seems like you static identity is acting up statistic has been shown studies has been shown and great speakers have been heard. You just havent been listening. Shape up!
"High volume and small profits per unit" has been the philosophy of the world's must successful businesses, if you weren't totally ignorant you'd know this already.
Your partly right here competition do bring down prices and causes mass production for some products, But these protects are created intrinsictly infererior and only help to fuel cyclical consumption and create waste. some companies form cartels(thats illegal! bla bla it happends) Such as cigarettes and gas and agree on pricing.
One might say what stops another person to create a company to start making cigarettes that are cheaper and better to thus competing with the cartel? well the cartel stops that by any means they have.
Tbh many of you are young and fresh out of school with your new schoolarship in indoctrination it will be years before the naive notion of how perfect our system is starts crumbling before you.
On May 14 2012 00:54 Focuspants wrote: For the last time, YOUR STUPID VIDEOS PROVE NOTHING! They say how the world OUGHT to be, without giving even 1 shred of information, evidence, ANYTHING about how to get there. How can you possibly be so dense. Its mind boggling. Youve linked the same nonsensical videos 15 times, they are useless! Utterly, totally, USELESS.
You okay bro? seems like you static identity is acting up statistic has been shown studies has been shown and great speakers have been heard. You just havent been listening. Shape up!
Would you please round up all the statistics that have been posted in this thread that strengthen your point? Personally I haven't seen any and I've been following this thread quite a bit. The only things of note were the inspiring rethoric video's, which are great but don't deal with any of the logistics concretely.
On May 14 2012 00:54 Focuspants wrote: For the last time, YOUR STUPID VIDEOS PROVE NOTHING! They say how the world OUGHT to be, without giving even 1 shred of information, evidence, ANYTHING about how to get there. How can you possibly be so dense. Its mind boggling. Youve linked the same nonsensical videos 15 times, they are useless! Utterly, totally, USELESS.
You okay bro? seems like you static identity is acting up statistic has been shown studies has been shown and great speakers have been heard. You just havent been listening. Shape up!
Terrible studies have been conducted, no true statistic has been shown, and horrible speakers have tried to twist things in their favor. How about that ?
I mean, do you even have a clue what an argumentation is, the way you act just completely trashes the (weak) argument you have. Basically all I have seen you do when confronted with something is : 1- tell the person ''he clearly doesnt know anything'' 2- point to your videos 3- insulted people
If you want people to take you just a little bit seriously you really should think about learning how to debate, but I mean, I think it's quite obvious here to anyone that if you actually knew how to debate you would get destroyed because none of your arguments hold any grounds, you do not know enough about the subject, and you have no clue how your ideas could actually be implemented.
On May 14 2012 00:54 Focuspants wrote: For the last time, YOUR STUPID VIDEOS PROVE NOTHING! They say how the world OUGHT to be, without giving even 1 shred of information, evidence, ANYTHING about how to get there. How can you possibly be so dense. Its mind boggling. Youve linked the same nonsensical videos 15 times, they are useless! Utterly, totally, USELESS.
You okay bro? seems like you static identity is acting up statistic has been shown studies has been shown and great speakers have been heard. You just havent been listening. Shape up!
Would you please round up all the statistics that have been posted in this thread that strengthen your point? Personally I haven't seen any and I've been following this thread quite a bit. The only things of note were the inspiring rethoric video's, which are great but don't deal with any of the logistics concretely.
Again, another badly though out blog about someone who believes in utopia and doesnt back his claims with any way of implementing the ideas. The author basically skips from one subject to another without proving anything concrete nor establishing a link between those subjects and then suddenly comes to this big conclusion that ''SEE EVERYTHING IS LINKED AND THIS PROVES MY IDEA IS BETTER'' You have to be completely blind to believe everything that is said in those things, seriously, step back for one second and read it neutrally and you will see it makes no sense whatsoever.
Edit : What about you prove me wrong, instead of just answering with ''youre dumb bra look at my vids'', why dont you answer YOURSELF (since you know so much about the subject), 2 questions that have been asked before.
1. How do you implement the free world charter, how will the transition work from where we are right now ? 2. How do you properly ensure that the people responsible for the resource distribution dont abuse of their power, and how do you ensure that everyone has everything they need equally ?
On May 14 2012 00:54 Focuspants wrote: For the last time, YOUR STUPID VIDEOS PROVE NOTHING! They say how the world OUGHT to be, without giving even 1 shred of information, evidence, ANYTHING about how to get there. How can you possibly be so dense. Its mind boggling. Youve linked the same nonsensical videos 15 times, they are useless! Utterly, totally, USELESS.
You okay bro? seems like you static identity is acting up statistic has been shown studies has been shown and great speakers have been heard. You just havent been listening. Shape up!
Would you please round up all the statistics that have been posted in this thread that strengthen your point? Personally I haven't seen any and I've been following this thread quite a bit. The only things of note were the inspiring rethoric video's, which are great but don't deal with any of the logistics concretely.
Do also keep in mind that 81% do not agree,understand or feriously oppose what is being advocated if i appear arrogant do not fret iam not. But to me the way you guys write is extremly arrogant and lack inquisitive all you get is arrogant statements like communist russia or this is how it works that is how it works.
Complaining that im offering videos and pictures most of real scientists,enginners,psyocologists,economist studies and surveys and saying all i offer is rhetoric is demanding to much. While im still waiting on material to defend any of what you guys are talking about.
all i see is a 81% mob disecting everything i write to offer insults. If you wont look at the matieral you cannot complain i didnt give any.
Again, another badly though out blog about someone who believes in utopia and doesnt back his claims with any way of implementing the ideas. The author basically skips from one subject to another without proving anything concrete nor establishing a link between those subjects and then suddenly comes to this big conclusion that ''SEE EVERYTHING IS LINKED AND THIS PROVES MY IDEA IS BETTER'' You have to be completely blind to believe everything that is said in those things, seriously, step back for one second and read it neutrally and you will see it makes no sense whatsoever.
Maybe you should actualy read it? everything is connected with surveys and studies so nothing is taken out of the air. If you cannot even read it your opinion lacks value and everything you write is as such obsolete and nothing but static noise utterly useless.
On May 14 2012 00:54 Focuspants wrote: For the last time, YOUR STUPID VIDEOS PROVE NOTHING! They say how the world OUGHT to be, without giving even 1 shred of information, evidence, ANYTHING about how to get there. How can you possibly be so dense. Its mind boggling. Youve linked the same nonsensical videos 15 times, they are useless! Utterly, totally, USELESS.
You okay bro? seems like you static identity is acting up statistic has been shown studies has been shown and great speakers have been heard. You just havent been listening. Shape up!
"High volume and small profits per unit" has been the philosophy of the world's must successful businesses, if you weren't totally ignorant you'd know this already.
Your partly right here competition do bring down prices and causes mass production for some products, But these protects are created intrinsictly infererior and only help to fuel cyclical consumption and create waste. some companies form cartels(thats illegal! bla bla it happends) Such as cigarettes and gas and agree on pricing.
One might say what stops another person to create a company to start making cigarettes that are cheaper and better to thus competing with the cartel? well the cartel stops that by any means they have.
Tbh many of you are young and fresh out of school with your new schoolarship in indoctrination it will be years before the naive notion of how perfect our system is starts crumbling before you.
Yes, because every industry in the world is a cartel, right ? And there exists no organs whose roles are to fight cartels, right ?
The way you argument this is extremely similar to all your nice videos, you single out 2 industries ONLY, and then say this is the truth for ALL of the market. This is a logical fallacy.
If you take competition out of the equation, you suddenly lose any reason to be efficient, any reason to develop further.
And how dare you say 3 post lower that youre not arrogant with something like '' Tbh many of you are young and fresh out of school with your new schoolarship in indoctrination it will be years before the naive notion of how perfect our system is starts crumbling before you.''
Again, another badly though out blog about someone who believes in utopia and doesnt back his claims with any way of implementing the ideas. The author basically skips from one subject to another without proving anything concrete nor establishing a link between those subjects and then suddenly comes to this big conclusion that ''SEE EVERYTHING IS LINKED AND THIS PROVES MY IDEA IS BETTER'' You have to be completely blind to believe everything that is said in those things, seriously, step back for one second and read it neutrally and you will see it makes no sense whatsoever.
Maybe you should actualy read it? everything is connected with surveys and studies so nothing is taken out of the air. If you cannot even read it your opinion lacks value and everything you write is as such obsolete and nothing but static noise utterly useless.
I have read it, all. Nothing is connected, it is basically a paragraph pointing out to a bad study that says something, and then the author pulls out something from it out of thin air.
Tbh I dont know why Im even arguing with you, you have provided no real counter arguments other than ''Well, I linked you an article, and if you dont have the same opinion as I do about this article/video, than you must be stupid because it is obviously not what is said''. This is embarassing.
On May 14 2012 00:54 Focuspants wrote: For the last time, YOUR STUPID VIDEOS PROVE NOTHING! They say how the world OUGHT to be, without giving even 1 shred of information, evidence, ANYTHING about how to get there. How can you possibly be so dense. Its mind boggling. Youve linked the same nonsensical videos 15 times, they are useless! Utterly, totally, USELESS.
You okay bro? seems like you static identity is acting up statistic has been shown studies has been shown and great speakers have been heard. You just havent been listening. Shape up!
"High volume and small profits per unit" has been the philosophy of the world's must successful businesses, if you weren't totally ignorant you'd know this already.
Your partly right here competition do bring down prices and causes mass production for some products, But these protects are created intrinsictly infererior and only help to fuel cyclical consumption and create waste. some companies form cartels(thats illegal! bla bla it happends) Such as cigarettes and gas and agree on pricing.
One might say what stops another person to create a company to start making cigarettes that are cheaper and better to thus competing with the cartel? well the cartel stops that by any means they have.
Tbh many of you are young and fresh out of school with your new schoolarship in indoctrination it will be years before the naive notion of how perfect our system is starts crumbling before you.
Yes, because every industry in the world is a cartel, right ? And there exists no organs whose roles are to fight cartels, right ?
The way you argument this is extremely similar to all your nice videos, you single out 2 industries ONLY, and then say this is the truth for ALL of the market. This is a logical fallacy.
If you take competition out of the equation, you suddenly lose any reason to be efficient, any reason to develop further.
And how dare you say 3 post lower that youre not arrogant with something like '' Tbh many of you are young and fresh out of school with your new schoolarship in indoctrination it will be years before the naive notion of how perfect our system is starts crumbling before you.''
Done, why dont you try to explain something in your own words for once, well see how that works out. Your article doesnt provide any counter arguments to my claim, and once again youre not able to answer yourself, this just shows how much you lack any real knowledge about the subject.
On May 14 2012 00:54 Focuspants wrote: For the last time, YOUR STUPID VIDEOS PROVE NOTHING! They say how the world OUGHT to be, without giving even 1 shred of information, evidence, ANYTHING about how to get there. How can you possibly be so dense. Its mind boggling. Youve linked the same nonsensical videos 15 times, they are useless! Utterly, totally, USELESS.
You okay bro? seems like you static identity is acting up statistic has been shown studies has been shown and great speakers have been heard. You just havent been listening. Shape up!
"High volume and small profits per unit" has been the philosophy of the world's must successful businesses, if you weren't totally ignorant you'd know this already.
Your partly right here competition do bring down prices and causes mass production for some products, But these protects are created intrinsictly infererior and only help to fuel cyclical consumption and create waste. some companies form cartels(thats illegal! bla bla it happends) Such as cigarettes and gas and agree on pricing.
One might say what stops another person to create a company to start making cigarettes that are cheaper and better to thus competing with the cartel? well the cartel stops that by any means they have.
Tbh many of you are young and fresh out of school with your new schoolarship in indoctrination it will be years before the naive notion of how perfect our system is starts crumbling before you.
Yes, because every industry in the world is a cartel, right ? And there exists no organs whose roles are to fight cartels, right ?
The way you argument this is extremely similar to all your nice videos, you single out 2 industries ONLY, and then say this is the truth for ALL of the market. This is a logical fallacy.
If you take competition out of the equation, you suddenly lose any reason to be efficient, any reason to develop further.
And how dare you say 3 post lower that youre not arrogant with something like '' Tbh many of you are young and fresh out of school with your new schoolarship in indoctrination it will be years before the naive notion of how perfect our system is starts crumbling before you.''
Done, why dont you try to explain something in your own words for once, well see how that works out.
You can lie better then that. But humor me describe a point you didnt agree with and i bet there is plenty but for the sake of time take one fact in there you belive incorrect and why. If possible share your source.
You can lie better then that. But humor me describe a point you didnt agree with and i bet there is plenty but for the sake of time take one fact in there you belive incorrect and why. If possible share your source.
If you read anything of what I wrote, my problem with this is the lack of connection between the different points and the complete lack of explanation on how to implement the idea.
Just for the sake of it lets take this from your marvelous article (just found out a lot of the links are directly to wikipedia, what a scholar...).
'' The more highly unequal a society is, the higher its rates of violence. [this] strongly suggest that a society where all members are given equal and unrestricted access to all available resources will have very few, if any''
How do you ensure that every members in our society would be given equal and unrestricted access to all available resources ?
Why dont you also try to answer back to my arguments without just saying '' Look at my video'' and instead making a clear argumentation.
On May 14 2012 03:03 hoffentoffen wrote: How would resources be distributed in a system like this?
Resources for innovaters and research or do you refer to goods for the population?
goods for the population.
also depends on the good but most likely you can order it from a tablet or the internet. it will be assembled at a highly automated factory near you and sent to a pick up spot close to you or directly to your house using vaccum tubes used in the medical field today.
What if i want a car? Public transportation will be the prefered means you want to travel with this is due to it being easier and more efficent but obviously you will have the option to take your own automobile wherever you please. You use the same proccess mentioned above.If the mobile you want does not exist currently in the access car pool it will be created in the factory and sent to you using advanced navigation. Already in use in NYC.
Current needs a person recquires for a high standard of living is Shelter/Food/Computer/Cellphone/transportation/recreation opportunity. As we move along more needs will be added and alot of wants aswel.
You can build houses in customized houses from the ground up today using 3D technology in 24 hours. and its not some small commisar shack either.
Food is grown localy using hydronponics and are clean and ecological, there is even techonology being created where they can grow meat without having to butcher pigs and cows.
'' The more highly unequal a society is, the higher its rates of violence. [this] strongly suggest that a society where all members are given equal and unrestricted access to all available resources will have very few, if any''
How do you ensure that every members in our society would be given equal and unrestricted access to all available resources ?
No, change requires a certain value shift it is considered a form of violence to want to much aswel as offering to little. If someone say i wanna have a 100 room mansion and 10 cars that i OWN, I could say sure you get that if i get a mansion as big as africa. We gotta be realistic about what we feel we are entitled to i will tell you this tho you will have access to a 100 times as much shit as you get today.
On May 14 2012 03:03 hoffentoffen wrote: How would resources be distributed in a system like this?
Resources for innovaters and research or do you refer to goods for the population?
goods for the population.
also depends on the good but most likely you can order it from a tablet or the internet. it will be assembled at a highly automated factory near you and sent to a pick up spot close to you or directly to your house using vaccum tubes used in the medical field today.
What if i want a car? Public transportation will be the prefered means you want to travel with this is due to it being easier and more efficent but obviously you will have the option to take your own automobile wherever you please. You use the same proccess if the mobile you want does not exist currently in the access car pool it will be created in the factory and sent to you using advanced navigation. Already in use in NYC.
Current needs a person recquires for a high standard of living is Shelter/Food/Computer/Cellphone/transportation/recreation opportunity. As we move along more needs will be added and alot of wants aswel.
You can build houses in customized houses from the ground up today using 3D technology in 24 hours. and its not some small commisar shack either.
Food is grown localy using hydronponics and are clean and ecological, there is even techonology being created where they can grow meat without having to butcher pigs and cows.
I see, thank you for your awnser. But who would actually do this?
The truth is that without the terrible inequality of the world, we wouldn't be as rich as we are. For every gamer playing sc2 and driving a car while texting on thier iphone, it takes like 10 or so laborers to produce all the raw materials and shit that is needed to produce those goods. It takes poor people to make rich people.
The parts of economics which are not wishy-washy bullshit (the simple stuff in introduction to econ, supply and demand, etc) gives us a way to prove this. By measuring how the prices of raw materials fluctuates as the demand for stuff like computers increases, or by measuring how the prices change as resources dry up, (e.g. oil), you can extrapolate to show that there simply isn't enough resources.
You know, set up a large-range supply and demand relationship model between cars/iphones/nice houses and the price of oil, and you will see that if you chose the number of iphones/whatever as six billion, the price of oil will raise so high that it will be impractical to extract it all, if that much oil even exists.
These people are flat out wrong about the amount of resources the earth has. No utopian vision can come true like that. They claim to be all about solid logic, but they need to check thier numbers >.<
THAT SAID
I agree with thier openess about inequality, and thier tone surrounding the problems of current markets. I would support a movement like this if it was geared toward encreasing efficiency via disregard for money, rather than about trying to get a utopia.
An example of what I am talking about is Remix Culture, Open Source, and the Pirate Movement. I think that thier principles actually work, they are proven to work, and they beg application to more than just digital content. That is all.
How hasn't this person been banned yet? It's obvious they're trolling.
They call people "indoctrinated," but they'll believe information from NWO Conspiracy Theorists at face value? None of the articles he's linked has provided any substance, and even the ones that do make a tiny bit of sense are not backed by factual information.
Team Liquid Mod's will ban people from making critical claims about Trans-Gender/Homo-Sexual individuals but you won't ban someone who's either openly trolling or a complete fool. He's done enough harassment of known members of this community to warrant not only a warning, but a ban multiple times throughout this thread.
On May 14 2012 03:03 hoffentoffen wrote: How would resources be distributed in a system like this?
Resources for innovaters and research or do you refer to goods for the population?
goods for the population.
also depends on the good but most likely you can order it from a tablet or the internet. it will be assembled at a highly automated factory near you and sent to a pick up spot close to you or directly to your house using vaccum tubes used in the medical field today.
What if i want a car? Public transportation will be the prefered means you want to travel with this is due to it being easier and more efficent but obviously you will have the option to take your own automobile wherever you please. You use the same proccess if the mobile you want does not exist currently in the access car pool it will be created in the factory and sent to you using advanced navigation. Already in use in NYC.
Current needs a person recquires for a high standard of living is Shelter/Food/Computer/Cellphone/transportation/recreation opportunity. As we move along more needs will be added and alot of wants aswel.
You can build houses in customized houses from the ground up today using 3D technology in 24 hours. and its not some small commisar shack either.
Food is grown localy using hydronponics and are clean and ecological, there is even techonology being created where they can grow meat without having to butcher pigs and cows.
I see, thank you for your awnser. But who would actually do this?
Who as in which one person would do all of this by himself? or who as in who in the human labour force would be motivated to implement all of this without a paycheck?
How hasn't this person been banned yet? It's obvious they're trolling.
They call people "indoctrinated," but they'll believe information from NWO Conspiracy Theorists at face value? None of the articles he's linked has provided any substance, and even the ones that do make a tiny bit of sense are not backed by factual information.
Team Liquid Mod's will ban people from making critical claims about Trans-Gender/Homo-Sexual individuals but you won't ban someone who's either openly trolling or a complete fool. He's done enough harassment of known members of this community to warrant not only a warning, but a ban multiple times throughout this threa
Nice first post you seem very well versed in teamliquids banning proccess for someone apperntly joing TL for the first time. And if you read through the tread i have suffered massive personal attacks without an admin flinching to help me and once i was joking around in the spirit they were i was immietly warned so dont worry.
These people are flat out wrong about the amount of resources the earth has. No utopian vision can come true like that. They claim to be all about solid logic, but they need to check thier numbers >.<
THAT SAID
I agree with thier openess about inequality, and thier tone surrounding the problems of current markets. I would support a movement like this if it was geared toward encreasing efficiency via disregard for money, rather than about trying to get a utopia.
An example of what I am talking about is Remix Culture, Open Source, and the Pirate Movement. I think that thier principles actually work, they are proven to work, and they beg application to more than just digital content. That is all.
The ironic part is that nothing we accept as right in the movement is based on nothing but solid facts and solid logic You need to check your numbers.
I also suggest you bring up the resources you say are being overestimated because so far you are just talking air. just one example is nesscery and you dont even have to show sources but iam curiour where you are getting this from.
Cute old man with an underlying message even tho he makes me lol.
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with an underlying message even tho he makes me lol.
