The Free World Charter - Page 24

On May 07 2012 02:43 JonnyBNoHo wrote:


Step 4: Test

Your plan for communism has not be tested and proven to be viable. Therefore we should reject it.

On May 07 2012 02:46 Logros wrote:
It hurts my head that people are actually arguing for this like it might work.

On May 07 2012 02:52 Myles wrote:

It's because it sounds nice and all. Everybody had everything they want and can do whatever they want, but when you step back and think about it, especially human nature, you realize this kind of system is doomed to fail.

And I'm yet to get an answer of who's going to spend all the time creating and maintaining the millions of robots who would provide everything for us and how everything is going to centrally planned.

On May 07 2012 02:35 DeliCiousVP wrote:
Faith is what exist for money it dont have any real value accept for what people belive it does. So you already have faith and faith is the opposite of what is required. The sytem runs of a proccess called the scientific method.

1. Use your experience: Consider the problem and try to make sense of it. Look for previous explanations. If this is a new problem to you, then move to step 2.
2. Form a conjecture: When nothing else is yet known, try to state an explanation, to someone else, or to your notebook.
3. Deduce a prediction from that explanation: If you assume 2 is true, what consequences follow?
4. Test: Look for the opposite of each consequence in order to disprove 2. It is a logical error to seek 3 directly as proof of
2. This error is called affirming the consequent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

It is a belief and the belief is we should all believe in what we as human being can prove to be real. So far there exist no more advanced method and no method that has withstood the test of time like the scientific method.

Some assumption (Taken for granted but still)

Humans need to survive.
One human life has value.
Our enviroment has practical aswel as sentimental value to us and thus needs to be preserved.
Humans need to live comftorable yet stimulating lifes
Humans need to feel incontrol of their life.
Humans need to be aware of the two discovered ultimate truths emergence,symbiosis.

On May 07 2012 02:56 DeliCiousVP wrote:


peasants without a king ? anyone who know anything about human nature knows that a democracy is impossible peasants need their kings and lords.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7CQUbcn7Bk
if you manage to watch through it all without your static identity forcing you to turn it off i salute you.

On May 07 2012 02:58 Myles wrote:

Don't ever use a Zeitgeist video as any form of evidence or proof, ever. I've watched plenty, thanks. They're full of shit.

On May 07 2012 02:49 DeliCiousVP wrote:


Very sharp, No it hasent been tested in nothing but small situations.
"Its not perfect its just alot better we will never achive perfection" -Jacue fresco

It be alot better tho.

On May 07 2012 02:59 DeliCiousVP wrote:


1 down.

On May 07 2012 02:49 DeliCiousVP wrote:


Very sharp, No it hasent been tested in nothing but small situations.
"Its not perfect its just alot better we will never achive perfection" -Jacue fresco

It be alot better tho.

On May 07 2012 02:57 Fubi wrote:

There is a difference between the blind faith that are presented in religions and "faith" that are based on logical axioms.

Money is based on supply and demand, not blind faith. Yes you can argue that supply and demand is based on economics which is based on math, which at the very root of math has basic assumptions called axioms, but these are actually based on logics and rationales. All I'm saying is, you're using the religious approach of simply telling people to believe in an idea and then go watch a video that provides even more ideas, backed up by no evidence; and most of your argument are in the line of "this WILL happen, this would happen, it really will".

How is this any different than me saying "this will happen because in the future, technology will create a metal wand that can materialize anything our brain can imagine"

On May 07 2012 03:14 DeliCiousVP wrote:


The irony of it all is that its only based on evidence and facts nothing else all of this has sources you can even use google to start researching some of the "outrages" things you feel i say. Supply and demand are very real and if everything was perfect it would work.

But people manipulate supply and demand on order to maximise profits. If they create abundunt energy the price tag dissapears so there is an incentive to halt technology.

If you belive the monetary system speeds up technical improvement you are sorely mistaken. They fight improvements with the ferioucness of a wolvererine you think the gas companies want electric cars? Power companies want abundunant energy ? bottled water companies want clean water thats not their own?

Look im not gonna pretend like any of you guys are actually getting this stuff you are all conditioned to riddicule and fight this. Many of you are sharp retoricly gifted and can convince yourself and others around you to belive in whatever you want them to.

But you guys live in this world to dont let it burn.

On May 07 2012 03:14 DeliCiousVP wrote:


But people manipulate supply and demand on order to maximise profits. If they create abundunt energy the price tag dissapears so there is an incentive to halt technology.

If you belive the monetary system speeds up technical improvement you are sorely mistaken. They fight improvements with the ferioucness of a wolvererine you think the gas companies want electric cars? Power companies want abundunant energy ? bottled water companies want clean water thats not their own?

On May 07 2012 03:21 JonnyBNoHo wrote:


No one cares what those companies want. COMPETITION demands that they provide what the market wants.

If a new technology can make electricity cheaper than it WILL BE USED. You fundamentally do not understand how the market economy works. It is NOT about constricting supply to artificially raise the price. It is about finding a cheaper way to do something to earn a profit. That is what drives the price DOWN!

On May 07 2012 03:14 DeliCiousVP wrote:


If you belive the monetary system speeds up technical improvement you are sorely mistaken. They fight improvements with the ferioucness of a wolvererine you think the gas companies want electric cars? Power companies want abundunant energy ? bottled water companies want clean water thats not their own? medical companies want a cure for HIV? Tell me what their incentive will be.

On May 07 2012 03:31 DeliCiousVP wrote:


You think money gave us what we have today or technology? you think money invented the wheel? and its proven that monetary reward hinders creativity.

And everything you just said is incorrect new technology is only absorbed if the market can find it profitable.
"Their competion will develop it then" you would think so but they actually patent it so its against the law to use the new technology,.and im sorry to have to reverse this on you but you fundamentally dont understand market economy.

Companies have also realised that co-operating with each other can bring more profits to them this is known as forming a cartell. like the gas companies and cigarette companies do where they agree on pricing between each other.

Competion also forces companies to dish out inferior products in order to maintain market share and continue on the cyclical consumption cycle.