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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
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kmillz
United States1548 Posts
On October 09 2012 12:10 sc2superfan101 wrote: i'm excited and enthusiastic about Mitt Romney. i don't think he will be the greatest President we've ever had... lol, but i do think he'll be a good one. I agree with sc2superfan. I would never raise the bar higher than Reagan for Mitt Romney, but I do think he will be a great president (if he wins obviously). | ||
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ey215
United States546 Posts
On October 09 2012 09:55 bkrow wrote: I mean, Ryan is going to be the 'winner' regardless of what he says because he presents far more eloquently and confidently than Biden. I've seen this idea multiple times recently. Anyone that does not expect Biden to do well doesn't really pay that much attention. There's a good case to be made that he won a majority of the 2008 Democratic Primary debates and if he can manage to get through the night without a major gaffe he'll be tough to beat. Ryan can be kind of wonky and that doesn't always come across well in a debate format. I expect a draw. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On October 09 2012 13:15 ey215 wrote: I've seen this idea multiple times recently. Anyone that does not expect Biden to do well doesn't really pay that much attention. There's a good case to be made that he won a majority of the 2008 Democratic Primary debates and if he can manage to get through the night without a major gaffe he'll be tough to beat. Ryan can be kind of wonky and that doesn't always come across well in a debate format. I expect a draw. I think Ryan is overrated as a public speaker and debater, just like Obama was and is. But I have no idea what either of their strategies will be going into the debate. | ||
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RCMDVA
United States708 Posts
You think Biden won't have a harder time with Ryan than he did Sarah Palin? http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2008/10/champ_vs_doggone.html | ||
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ey215
United States546 Posts
On October 09 2012 13:19 Defacer wrote: I think Ryan is overrated as a public speaker and debater, just like Obama was and is. But I have no idea what either of their strategies will be going into the debate. He's actually a pretty good public speaker but a debate setting isn't really in his wheelhouse. He excels when he has time to explain and break out the power points, and unlike a lot of politicians these days has actually engaged with those that disagree with him in his district. Like I said, just not sure how it will come off in a national debate format. | ||
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ey215
United States546 Posts
On October 09 2012 13:22 RCMDVA wrote: You think Biden won't have a harder time with Ryan than he did Sarah Palin? http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2008/10/champ_vs_doggone.html The thing is, Palin was really pretty good in that debate. Many of her problems came with the TV interviews, etc. not things like the convention speech and debate. Biden has earned his reputation as a gaffe machine, but he also excels at what the traditional role of the VP candidate which is to be the hatchet man. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On October 09 2012 13:11 sam!zdat wrote: I'll tell in my personal experience, no way you get hired for a private school job without a teaching certificate in this market You can if you're overqualified. My mom has a Ph.D in toxicology and is now teaching 5-8th grade science. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On October 09 2012 13:28 ey215 wrote: The thing is, Palin was really pretty good in that debate. Many of her problems came with the TV interviews, etc. not things like the convention speech and debate. Biden has earned his reputation as a gaffe machine, but he also excels at what the traditional role of the VP candidate which is to be the hatchet man. Ahhh, hatchet man. That's a great way of putting it. From what I can tell Ryan isn't very good when he is on the defensive, yet. And for all his failings Biden is good at winning over a crowd and being a hyper-energetic, contentious jackass. I hope they unleash the Biden. If only for my amusement. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On October 09 2012 14:05 xDaunt wrote: You can if you're overqualified. My mom has a Ph.D in toxicology and is now teaching 5-8th grade science. Personal decision or out of necessity? I've met my fair share of people that have a masters/PhD in sciences but realized that grind and politics of lab research wasn't for them. Got into education instead. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On October 09 2012 14:07 Defacer wrote: Personal decision or out of necessity? I've met my fair share of people that have a masters/PhD in sciences but realized that grind and politics of lab research wasn't for them. Got into education instead. Personal decision to stay closer to the family. She had the opportunity to do post-doc work at Harvard if she wanted to but passed that up as well. | ||
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Silidons
United States2813 Posts
On October 09 2012 13:14 kmillz wrote: I agree with sc2superfan. I would never raise the bar higher than Reagan for Mitt Romney, but I do think he will be a great president (if he wins obviously). yeah increasing the military budget is an amazing start for the record i would like johnson to win but with either obama or romney winning, it doesn't affect my household at all. no one works for a salary etc. really for me, i'd probably want romney but only because under republican leadership it has been shown that science funding increases. would rather not go to war with iran or other countries but it won't actually affect my family at all. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On October 09 2012 13:14 kmillz wrote: I agree with sc2superfan. I would never raise the bar higher than Reagan for Mitt Romney, but I do think he will be a great president (if he wins obviously). Really? I just don't see it. He just seems so unprincipled. I can see him being a competent president, but I just don't see him accomplishing anything significant -- even things that he's promised, like lowering the deficit or repealing Obamacare. He'll just cut taxes without paying for them, and maybe start a war. I don't see him doing anything but furthering a Neocon agenda. Meh, I'm cynical. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On October 09 2012 14:09 xDaunt wrote: Personal decision to stay closer to the family. She had the opportunity to do post-doc work at Harvard if she wanted to but passed that up as well. Do you consider your Mom underpaid/undercompensated for what she does? I don't have much of a position on this myself. I've met teachers that bust their ass 60 a week, spend their own money on supplies, and actually take their responsibility to educate children dead seriously. Like, they're tortured if they can't reach someone. I've also met teachers that went dead inside and do the bare minimum. | ||
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
On October 09 2012 14:20 Defacer wrote:I've also met teachers that went dead inside and do the bare minimum. Teaching can be deadening, especially when you are teaching for dvorak's standardized tests. Having a healthier educational system as a whole will help reduce teacher burnout. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On October 09 2012 14:22 sam!zdat wrote: Teaching can be deadening, especially when you are teaching for dvorak's standardized tests. Having a healthier educational system as a whole will help reduce teacher burnout. I know. I taught a class at a local college for a couple years. I was shocked by how exhausting it was. I immediately understood why teachers burn out. I can't imagine babysitting and entertaining 30 kids for 35 hours a week. Edit: Standardized testing pretty much would erase what little joy and autonomy teachers actually enjoy. I'm all for improving the education system but there has to be a better way of evaluating educators. | ||
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kmillz
United States1548 Posts
On October 09 2012 14:10 Silidons wrote: yeah increasing the military budget is an amazing start for the record i would like johnson to win but with either obama or romney winning, it doesn't affect my household at all. no one works for a salary etc. really for me, i'd probably want romney but only because under republican leadership it has been shown that science funding increases. would rather not go to war with iran or other countries but it won't actually affect my family at all. I was in the military so I have somewhat of a different perspective on the military budget :\ the Marine Corps is absurdly underfunded and we get all the Army hand-me-down shit. I just hope that the military doesn't waste the money on stupid shit like they tend to do and that Mitt Romney doesn't start any new wars. I agree with you, Johnson would be much more appealing to me as well. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On October 09 2012 14:27 kmillz wrote: I was in the military so I have somewhat of a different perspective on the military budget :\ the Marine Corps is absurdly underfunded and we get all the Army hand-me-down shit. I just hope that the military doesn't waste the money on stupid shit like they tend to do and that Mitt Romney doesn't start any new wars. I agree with you, Johnson would be much more appealing to me as well. Veterans Benefits -- do you feel like you're getting enough or do vets deserve more? | ||
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kmillz
United States1548 Posts
On October 09 2012 14:28 Defacer wrote: Veterans Benefits -- do you feel like you're getting enough or do vets deserve more? Veterans benefits are fine. Military pay and benefits are great. No need for more money there. To be more specific, it is the fact that we were forced to do so much with so little in regards to our equipment and training that was available to us. | ||
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
On October 09 2012 14:31 kmillz wrote: Veterans benefits are fine. Military pay and benefits are great. No need for more money there. To be more specific, it is the fact that we were forced to do so much with so little in regards to our equipment and training that was available to us. Where does the money go? Big lucrative defense contract things, that go whizz and make big explosions? | ||
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